The Nineteenth Byte

Sp3000

18:00

Clearly the Pyth one is not very well golfed :P (I think Pyth FizzBuzz was 30 or so, so it shouldn't take 20 bytes more for Fibo)

Dennis

@quartata It is! "+ would have for for Rotor -> K.

Calvin's Hobbies

We get away with lots of puns in here but Nazi-related ones may be pushing it.

Dennis

As a German, I agree.

quartata

@Dennis I got that one already :P

Actually it could also be '+

Dennis

/o\

TimmyD

18:06

Sorry - no offense meant.

Doorknob

mentions something about Godwin's Law

Calvin's Hobbies

Wow. I cant think of a language with a name longer than Javascript

Dennis

CoffeeScript?

Calvin's Hobbies

Wait, ShadyAsFuck

quartata

@Calvin'sHobbies CoffeeScript

Wow ninja'd

Sp3000

18:11

Real something Salon something Disaster thingymabob is the longest legit one on esolangs I think

I'd look up the actual name, but net's terribly slow atm and I think I gave enough words for it to be searchable

Calvin's Hobbies

Dartmouth BASIC

quartata

Implement a Truth Machine is sooo close to getting me my first gold badge

TimmyD

Mornington Crescent

quartata

plsss gods of hot network questions plssss

Calvin's Hobbies

@quartata How so?

quartata

18:14

8k views

So I need 2k more.

Calvin's Hobbies

That's still a lot

quartata

80% there.

TimmyD

> viewed 7895 times

quartata

@TimmyD 79% there

@Dennis If you want to see something else cool in Rotor, check this out.

Calvin's Hobbies

Whats a reboot vs remake in movie lingo?

JimmyJazzx

18:17

Compiler warnings do not count as errors.

TimmyD

Are we discounting abbreviations? Because Transact Structured Query Language is pretty long.

JimmyJazzx

Well i guess VBA cant be Part of that challange

Sp3000

@Calvin'sHobbies esolangs.org/wiki/Real_Fast_Nora%27s_Hair_Salon_3:_Shear_Disaster_Download

Geobits

@TimmyD "Beginner's All-purpose Symbolic Instruction Code" isn't very short either, even without finding the longest variant.

quartata

@TimmyD If so, Parallax Beginner's All-Purpose Symbolic Instruction Code

@Geobits ninja'd but at least I had proper capitalization

Geobits

18:18

@quartata Any TI version is longer than that.

quartata

Texas Instruments Beginner's All-Purpose Symbolic Instruction Code?

Not bad.

Geobits

@quartata "Proper capitalization" for acronyms usually means capitalizing the letters that form the acronym, and I don't recognize BAPSIC :P

quartata

@Geobits :(

Calvin's Hobbies

@Sp3000 esolangs.org/wiki/…

Geobits

It would probably be some VB.NET version if I had to guess.

Beta Decay

18:20

H

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people

TimmyD

@Calvin'sHobbies I've always understood "reboot" to be a restart of the series, ignoring previous movies that have setup canon, and re-imagining how X,Y,Z may have happened instead (ex: The Dark Knight trilogy) ... Whereas, a "remake" is attempting to re-do the same movie, but twisted just a little bit to fit a new setting/time (ex: Gone in 60 Seconds).

Beta Decay

@Geobits It wouldn't let me post a second l :P

quartata

Intel Sandy Bridge x86 Assembly Language

Mayhaps?

Calvin's Hobbies

@TimmyD ah

Dennis

@quartata Is there currently a way to perform a primality test in Rotor?

New Main Posts

18:30

1

Q: Finding sum-free partitions

Executive summary Given input k, find a partition of integers 1 to n into k sum-free subsets for the largest n you can within 10 minutes. Background: Schur numbers A set A is sum-free if its self-sum A + A = { x + y | x, y in A} has no elements in common with it. For every positive integer k ...

Thomas Kwa

v I sandboxed the Lojban challenge

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@quartata How acquainted are you with Conways game of life actually?

Calvin's Hobbies

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ How acquainted are you with Conan O'Brien actually?

quartata

@Dennis It would be y but it isn't implemented

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Calvin'sHobbies I know about him. :P People get my name confused with his, so I feel like I know him.

quartata

18:32

You could always implement your own (it has loops and all that)

Geobits

@Calvin'sHobbies How acquainted are you with Calvin and Hobbes actually?

quartata

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ It is a fun thing to play around with.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@quartata Cool! :D

quartata

I'm not a cellular automaton expert or anything

I've made some cool things with them though.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Noice. I had a quick question: how does your avatar react under a /2 rulestring environment?

Calvin's Hobbies

18:34

@Geobits I've read every strip, most of them many many times. I own a lot of the books and have since I was very young.

Go ahead, give me some C+H trivia!

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Who is Calvin's teacher?

(I love C+H too :D)

Geobits

Me too :) Well, I don't own the books exactly. They're all on a shelf at my mom's place now.

Calvin's Hobbies

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Miss Wormwood

quartata

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ I don't have Golly on my current computer otherwise I'd show you a picture...

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Calvin'sHobbies Good. Who is she named after?

@quartata "Golly"? That sounds cool.

Is it a program to run rulestrings?

quartata

18:36

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Yeah it is a cellular automaton simulator.

I think it would just turn into an oscillator of some sort.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@quartata Is it free? :3

Geobits

You should ask questions that aren't the first line on a wikia page.

quartata

Yes, very free!

golly.sourceforge.net

New Sandboxed Posts

0

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Is this word a valid gismu? Premise The language Lojban is a constructed language, meaning in part that all of its words have been created rather than allowed to develop naturally. The semantic base of Lojban are its gismu, or root words, which were synthesized by combining roots from widely na...

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

OMIGOSH THANKS @QUARTATA I've been looking for a while for one of these.

quartata

18:37

:D

@NewSandboxedPosts oh wus dis

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Geobits Phooey. I that was a clever question.

Calvin's Hobbies

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Umm, not sure. (that fact is too meta)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Calvin'sHobbies (it is, sorry.)

quartata

@Calvin'sHobbies Character from The Screwtape Letters

mınxomaτ

Yus, I've finally mastered the art of poaching eggs. That bugged me for months.

quartata

18:38

He mentions it in the 10th anniversary treasury

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@mınxomaτ ಠ_ಠ

quartata

@mınxomaτ My grandma taught me how to poach eggs. It is actually really tricky...

Geobits

I mastered the art of not eating poached eggs in much less time.

quartata

It's always worth the effort <3

I love poached eggs

Calvin's Hobbies

^

mınxomaτ

18:39

^

quartata

^

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Oh wait poached eggs. I thought you meant, like, egg-poaching, an illegal activity. ^_^

^^

quartata

@Calvin'sHobbies I think I still have every book

One second checking bookcase

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ lol

Calvin's Hobbies

@quartata Name 3 things Calvin has used a cardboard box for

Geobits

Meh. Eggs should be cooked through IMO.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

18:41

Transmorgafier

quartata

Transmogifier Cloner and Time machine

Did I pass the test?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^ darn too fast for me

Calvin's Hobbies

Duplicator, but yes :P

quartata

Tomato tomahto

I can confirm I still own every book.

But I don't have all the treasuries...

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Who wrote Calvin's A+ narrative?

quartata

18:41

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Both Hobbes from 6 and 8 o' clock

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

check

TheDoctor

@quartata oh golly

Calvin's Hobbies

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Not sure but who else would but hobbes?

Geobits

Trick question: Hobbes doesn't really write anything.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^ riiight

quartata

18:42

Sorry I got that wrong

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^ gg I forgot that

quartata

Why do I remember this shit

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Name all of Calvin's alter egos.

Calvin's Hobbies

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Oh yeah, I kinda recall that story

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Stupendous man, Spaceman spiff, captain napalm

quartata

Dammit I got rekt

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

18:43

You forgot one...

quartata

You forgot the detective

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^

quartata

Tracer Bullet

Calvin's Hobbies

@quartata There we go, I knew about the detective but forgot that name

quartata

Why oh why do I remember this stuff

I think there might be something wrong with me that I remember this

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

18:44

C+H is rated as the best comic of all time, so it sorta makes sense

TheDoctor

Real Fast Nora's Hair Salon 3: Shear Disaster Download

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

ಠ_ಠ

TheDoctor

...why

quartata

So, how did I do? Did I get a barfing face sticker on the pop quiz?

Calvin's Hobbies

Has there every been a strip with no images/dialogue of Calvin nor Hobbes?

quartata

18:45

@Calvin'sHobbies Yes

TheDoctor

http://esolangs.org/wiki/*

quartata

A couple early ones with his parents I believe

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Calvin'sHobbies With his parents I think

ninja'd

Calvin's Hobbies

Yep

quartata

We need a Calvin and Hobbes Stack Exchange

2

TheDoctor

18:49

esolangs.org/wiki/PP_TIBSA

Calvin's Hobbies

@quartata Maybe a Hobbes math challenge at least

2

quartata

@Calvin'sHobbies Oh man I remember this one

That would make a great challenge

Dennis

@quartata I'm asking since this is a requirement of our definition of programming language. Loops don't seem to be implemented yet either.

Geobits

"Happy Birthday, Calvin" | Robot Chicken | Adult Swim

►

quartata

@Dennis They are. I haven't updated the docs.

| = while loop

\ = for loop

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

18:52

@quartata Do it :D

quartata

Don't worry, it's a programming language.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Dennis I thought all the language had to be capable of was adding, prime detecting, and having a decision/something else model.

Calvin's Hobbies

What animals has calvin been?

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Owl

Pig?

quartata

@Calvin'sHobbies Frog dinosaurs owl pig mouse tiger I believe

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

18:55

^ gg

quartata

I think there are more though.

Calvin's Hobbies

Elephant

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

OH YEAH

quartata

Ah, there we go.

TheDoctor

ಠ_ಠ codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/63440/the-challange-sqrt2

quartata

18:56

@TheDoctor That challenge made no sense whatsoever.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^ like wtf

Calvin's Hobbies

@quartata Mouse?

TheDoctor

yeah

quartata

I think he was a mouse in the transmogifier gun one

I don't quite remember

Calvin's Hobbies

Dinosaurs?

quartata

18:57

That makes me feel better. I'm not a freak.

@Calvin'sHobbies Yes.

Calvin's Hobbies

michaelyingling.com/random/calvin_and_hobbes

5

quartata

@Calvin'sHobbies I did not know this existed.

Wow.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Calvin'sHobbies You have opened my eyes.

TheDoctor

star it people!

quartata

2

A: "Hello, World!"

TeaScript, 14 bytes Ld`HÁM, Wld!` Compresses Hello, World!, decompresses with L.d function

@Vɪʜᴀɴ how does compression work in TeaScript?

I can't think of any compression scheme that can actually compress Hello World into something short

Dennis

19:05

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Primality check, factorial and looping constructs all said not yet implemented. There are other ways to do primality testing, but I don't know the language well enough to know if it's possible without any of them.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Dennis Oh, I was just asking generally :P

quartata

@Dennis Looping constructs are implemented

I haven't updated the docs jeez

Dennis

I know.

13 mins ago, by quartata

@Dennis They are. I haven't updated the docs.

quartata

I'm fixing it right now.

I guess that's what I get for being lazy...

Fixed

Sparr

remarkably few oscillators in my game of life fractal grid

quartata

19:10

I'll be fixing the rest of the commands here in a second

Sparr

I'm still hopeful for a glider

quartata

@Sparr ?

Thomas Kwa

Regarding my challenge, is it too long? Should I restrict input to five-character strings containing only letters possible in a gismu?

quartata

Are you making something that involves fractals and Game of Life :O

I MUST SEE

Sparr

@quartata I'm simulating Life on this grid:

 ______________
[______________]
[______][______]
[__][__][__][__]
[][][][][][][][]

quartata

19:11

ooohh

What are you using to simulate it?

Sparr

8 neighbors per cell, like normal life

quartata

No no no I mean did you write a program to simulate this?

Sparr

some python I wrote, based on my entry to the old game of life on a weird grid challenge

quartata

Ahhh

Interesting...

Sparr

74

Q: Implement the Game of Life on Anything but a Regular Grid

Conway's Game of Life is (almost) always played on a regular square grid, but it doesn't need to be. Write a program that implements the standard cell neighboring rules from Conway's Game of Life on a two-dimensional tiling of the Euclidean plane that is not a regular tiling of squares, triangle...

code-challenge graphical-output geometry game-of-life cellular-automata

2

lots of implementations there for arbitrary grids

quartata

19:12

@Sparr Yeah that was a really cool challenge.

I love the penrose tiling one.

Sparr

thanks

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@Sparr Which version of python, again? (I think I have asked you this before)

Sparr

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ 2.7 I think? I rarely care

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Cool. Just wondering.

quartata

He was asking because if you were using 3 we'd lynch you on the spot

@Sparr Oh hey I just realized the penrose one was yours!

I really like it, what made you think of it?

Sparr

19:16

There was an article shortly prior to the contest about a glider in a modified penrose life

their version used 4 states, though

no gliders in two-state penrose life :(

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

/quartata does not exist in two-state penrose

TheDoctor

sparr, nice avatar

Sparr

@TheDoctor thanks, I thought it was appropriate :)

I am sad that it doesn't animate on most sites :(

TheDoctor

:)

flawr

Hi guys.

I have to show you this:

1

Q: factorizing polynomials over finite fields using maple and maxima

Can you factorize polynomials over certain finite field using maple or maxima, and if so, how?

maple maxima-software

Should I flag for moderator attention?

TheDoctor

19:17

why

?

trichoplax

@quartata What's wrong with 3??!?

quartata

@trichoplax Everything

Including the fact they lied and said they'd have GTK in it

damn I'm still mad about that

trichoplax

I didn't know about Python when they introduced 3, so I was spared that disappointment

It kind of has tk though

Sparr

the worst part about Python 3 is that not enough people switched to it

4

needing to have 2.7 and 3 installed because so many packages use each is annoying

Geobits

Reminds me of VB6ers ;)

Sparr

19:22

so, yeah, I'm not finding nearly as many oscillators as I expected

... he says, as he finds the first p6 oscillator

and a p8 just after

guess I need to be more patient :)

Beta Decay

What's the game that only @Doorknob plays?

Net...something

Rainbolt

nethack

Geobits

I think at least one other person plays it (in the world, not in here).

Beta Decay

Not that I dislike text-based adventure games, but I expected more from it... :P

I'm looking for fun but not processor intensive games which I can put on my computer for when I'm bored

Geobits

For most definitions of "not processor intensive" today, anything at all made before 2000 should work.

Add emulators to that and you have even more to choose from.

Beta Decay

19:30

And will work on Windows 8

Geobits

I don't use Win 8, but is there a problem running older games on it or something?

Beta Decay

I have no idea

Geobits

That seems like something they would have figured out by now.

TimmyD

The biggest issue with older games playing on newer Windows is actually 64-bit operating systems, which drops support for 16-bit software.

Beta Decay

I was thinking of loading Spore or Civilisation 4 onto it but I don't want to use up a lot of my memory. I mean I'm not running out or anything, I'd just prefer to keep it clean

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

19:33

@trichoplax 3??!? ~~ 0.7

Sparr

annoying part of simulating this grid is that I can't fit nearly as many cells on screen as I'm used to

Geobits

Hmm, if 16-bit is a problem, you still have the entirety of the XP era to choose from I guess.

Beta Decay

groovypost.com/howto/windows-7-3d-pinball-space-cadet-game

Yessss

Sparr

@BetaDecay a LOT of games in the humble bundles are low-to-moderate system requirements and still awesome

Beta Decay

Holy crap, it works as well :D

trichoplax

19:35

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ Is that a clever joke that's gone over my head?

Geobits

"I want to install some games, but don't want to use up disk space" <- I don't know how to respond to that.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@trichoplax Probably. It's 3 antifactorial antifactorial factorial antifactorial.

trichoplax

Ah - I didn't know about antifactorial. Thanks :)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^ no problem

Sparr

@Geobits the disparity in disk size for different modern games is astounding and ridiculous at the same time. sometimes I choose which games to install based on disk size. in a world where one game can take up 10GB on disk, games that take up 10MB effectively don't use up any disk space.

Geobits

19:37

I guess so. In a world where you can get multi-TB drives under $100, I've long since stopped noticing.

Sparr

Some people don't have $100 to spend on an upgrade.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

^

Geobits

Sure, but it's not like I'm going out and upgrading it often. I've had the same 3TB in mine for a few years now. Even most netbooks now come with at least 500GB on the base model I think.

Sparr

now, yes

consider a gamer who is on a laptop they bought 3 years ago, and it was on a budget then

so it's more like a 5 year old laptop

Beta Decay

^

New Sandboxed Posts

19:40

0

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Get The Getters code-golf This is my first attempt at creating a challenge. I'm grateful for every tip, critic or improvement. The Task I guess everybody loves automatic code generation and saving some time during work. You have to create a lot of classes and members during the day and you...

Geobits

@Sparr Then there are only a few hundred thousand games to choose from I guess :P

But to be fair, he mentioned Spore, which only requires 150MB.

Sparr

sure, but games are better now than they were 5-10 years ago

JimmyJazzx

But if you have 80$ to buy a 24gb (Cough* fallout4 Cough*) Game wouldn't you have that same 80$ for a 500gb external?

Sparr

so asking about new+good games that are small isn't the same as just asking about games that are small or good games that are small

@JimmyJazzx no comment on acquiring games without paying :p

Geobits

I don't think he ever asked about new games at all.

Sparr

19:43

so, there's definitely a reason to look for small games

Geobits

At least 100 SNES games qualify as fun, small, low reqs.

quartata

I remember making a really cool Java cellular automaton that did something related to lattice paths but I think it got lost when my hard drive blew up a couple months ago...

:(

Sparr

I also do this on my phone. 100MB games on my device with just 16GB of app storage are usually a no-go.

JimmyJazzx

@Sparr tsk tsk tsk. I Don't not approve of your no comment

Sparr

I'm hopeful for a glider in my weird fractal life

unfortunately the world isn't rotationally symmetric, so even if there is one, it has to spawn in the right orientation to work

Geobits

19:44

@Sparr On mobile I agree. It's just been so long that I needed more space on my PC that I was surprised by it.

I honestly have no idea how full my drive is right now, which is something I wouldn't have said ten years ago.

Sparr

also unfortunately, my oscillator detection code can't spot gliders

so I'd only find one by watching manually :(

JimmyJazzx

Geo. I have recently upgraded to a SSD for my C drive. And the space Problem has re surfaced. between BF 4 60gb. GTA 4 60gb and Fallout4 24Gb Compressed. the 512gb drive is bring stretched.

I miss the good old days of a 2TB C drive.

Geobits

Should have kept your 2TB drive and used the SSD for boot and the other for mass storage :P

Sparr

@Geobits game media isn't "mass storage"

JimmyJazzx

O I still have 6tb of drive in my PC. But something is going on the Slow drive

VoteToClose

19:47

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ So... About your challenge. Do I not count inputs such as 'C9' or are they okay?

Geobits

I've never had a problem running games off an HDD o_O

Sparr

all 60GB of BF4 needs to be on the SSD to keep the game from slowing down while loading stuff

your definition of "problem" is not the same as someone else's

Geobits

Definitely true. Apparently some people have lower thresholds.

Sparr

for example, in many first person shooters, how fast you can load a new map determines how soon you can get to an objective in the first round of a new game

JimmyJazzx

First world problem. My SSD is too small for my AAA games.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

19:48

@VoteToClose You must output nothing when given that input. Like I said.

VoteToClose

Hmm. :c

Geobits

Consoles fix most of these problems and are better gaming machines anyway. ducks

VoteToClose

Actually. That's a pretty easy fix (5 bytes. :D)

JimmyJazzx

Riding a Bike fixes all the motor Problems in your car. But it isn't REALLY a solution...

VoteToClose

Also, on scoring - we just don't count the words used in "Battle Cry" or any defined literal strings used at all? @CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Geobits

19:51

I think the differences between gaming on console vs PC are slightly less significant than car vs bicycle :P

flawr

@Geobits You think wrong.

TanMath

Hello all!

flawr

Hi!

VoteToClose

Hello! :P

JimmyJazzx

Howdy

Geobits

19:52

@flawr Have done all four, formed my own opinion. Yours may differ ;)

Martin Büttner

@PeterTaylor Would it be okay to include this in a C answer to your challenge? Or only standard libraries?

VoteToClose

Wait, never mind, reread. :D

Sparr

ok, poked the hornets nest; commented on the game of life challenge with my plan to post a rule-breaking entry

TanMath

@AlexA. I am sorry if I truly insulted you... I meant it kinda as a joke... I know this community and most communities like to have fun with the insults and stuff and I didn't know you took it so seriously... But I didn't like that you prevented me from chatting on the entire chat.SE for 30 min! That was not fair...But that is my opinion...

I like how all of you guys start saying hello when I say hi! thanks! you guys are so welcoming!

flawr

Alex muted you?

Rainbolt

19:56

Interesting messages from Game Dev...

TanMath

@flawr yep he did...

flawr

@Geobits I think there is one comprehensive answer: It depends on the environment=)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

@VoteToClose In respect to the battle cry string, yes

VoteToClose

^ Got it. ;D

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