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Redwolf Programs

@cairdcoinheringaahing "Just one KotH" :p

hyper-neutrino

wait ṫ5“You're not “, you're hyper-neutrino”j is shorter i'm dumb

caird coinheringaahing

@OldSandboxPosts You told me just one koth when I was testing earlier!

DLosc

@cairdcoinheringaahing Vim, 33 bytes: c3lYou're not<esc>A, you're DLosc

Redwolf Programs

1 hour ago, by user

Draft: Vigenere cipher

Bubbler

01:01

@OldSandboxPosts Oh yes, I need to work on the controller :/

@RedwolfPrograms VTC: ~~It's a mega challenge~~ I'm too lazy to look up what it is

hyper-neutrino

ṫ5⁶;“4ƘBaẹ⁾ɓẓf»;;⁶;“ẏwȯ¤"ɗṁɱtj)» for 32

my name compresses pretty decently

caird coinheringaahing

We need to run the answers of this on the recent messages :P

Redwolf Programs

Ash's dictionary had a list of CGCC users :p

ngn

@Bubbler not really

abc

@RedwolfPrograms t=>`You're not${t.match(/ .+/)[0]}, you're abc` Outgolfed lol

Redwolf Programs

01:04

Hardly golfed when it loses functionality :p

You don't get a hole in one for knocking the ball into a lake :p

ngn

@RedwolfPrograms {`c$65+26!((#y)#x-65)+y-65}

abc

@RedwolfPrograms Ok, actual golf: since the match is greedy and coercion from array into string removes the brackets, [0] is unnecessary

Redwolf Programs

Oh, nice

Wait wait wait

abc

What

Redwolf Programs

"I'm joking".match` .+`

Does this work for anyone else?

abc

01:08

Yup

Redwolf Programs

I did not know match cast it to a RegExp

This is good

abc

So 44 bytes

Bubbler

(this post can be VTD'd even though it's at +4)

ngn

@ngn shorter: {`c$65+26!y+(#y)#x}

Redwolf Programs

Let's have another round of CMCs

DLosc

01:09

@RedwolfPrograms Pip, 19 bytes: {z@$+:z@?g}MZab@,#a

hyper-neutrino

@Bubbler wait what lol. okay cool. well now i can delete it without it being mod abuse :P

Redwolf Programs

1 hour ago, by user

Could you also add Draft: Given a multidimensional array (guaranteed not to be jagged), determine its shape?

hyper-neutrino

@RedwolfPrograms 4tta[Y_o_ukyore no_t ]ta[, _y_o_ukyore _h_ype_r-ne_u_trino]pa in yuno

guess how many bytes

abc

@RedwolfPrograms Shape?

Redwolf Programs

60?

@abc Dimensions

DLosc

01:10

~~ninjad~~

Redwolf Programs

yes

hyper-neutrino

35, because it's latin encoded for the actual program ４ッタ「Ｙｏｕキョレ　ノｔ　」タ「、　ｙｏｕキョレ　ｈｙペｒーネｕｔリノ」パ

and ッタ、キョ are both one byte

Bubbler

@RedwolfPrograms Lol, someone is spamming APL built-ins as CMC

APL ⍴, J $ because why not

abc

No†e †ha† I will keep doing †his.

Redwolf Programs

@hyper-neutrino You can post the rows/columns sum/product one now

caird coinheringaahing

01:12

@hyper-neutrino Yeah, no that's mod abuse in my book

Redwolf Programs

CMC: Take an arithmetic operator in the form of a blackbox function (one of addition, subtraction, multiplication, or division), and return one of +, -, *, or / depending on what it is

hyper-neutrino

5 hours ago, by hyper-neutrino

Draft: Given a matrix of numbers, return the sums of each row and the products of each column (as two lists or something like that)

caird coinheringaahing

Regardless of whether we think it's a dupe or not, if it has multiple pending RO votes, the appropriate thing to do is let things play their course. If the challenge gets reopened, a meta discussion might be in order. Unilaterally (or almost unilaterally) deleting it isn't cool

hyper-neutrino

Fair enough. I mean, here my deletion counts as a singular vote though. I can open it to meta if that'd be fairer.

DLosc

@RedwolfPrograms tinylisp, 76 bytes (probably would be shorter using library functions)

caird coinheringaahing

01:14

@hyper-neutrino Additionally, I can't even VTuD, as you deleted it

Bubbler

@abc 3/1 = 3*1 = 3

hyper-neutrino

oh wait, I didn't consider that. sorry

(forgot my delete isn't just 3 delete votes)

abc

@Bubbler @Bubbler Oops

hyper-neutrino

anyway, I undeleted it, which also clears the previous deletion votes. might put it on meta pre-emptively in case it gets reopened

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino I think if it's left alone until if/when it gets reopened, that's probably fine

hyper-neutrino

01:16

now that i think about it it doesn't make sense to delete something with 4/5 on RO even if by normal vote

if it gets reopened there will probably immediately be a lot of answers so a meta discussion would cover future cases more than this challenge. which may be fine, but there are probably a least a couple saved answers for this challenge

caird coinheringaahing

If no one votes to reopen it within 14 days, then the votes decay and problem solved. If they do, time for a proper discussion :P

hyper-neutrino

well it only needs 1 more, lol

Redwolf Programs

My CMC is suprisingly hard lol

caird coinheringaahing

You could lock it if/when it gets reopened, just to prevent new answers while being discussed

Bubbler

@RedwolfPrograms f=>'.-...+*'[f(3,2)]||'/'

Division makes it frick

Redwolf Programs

01:18

Would 2,1 be shorter?

Wait no

Divisible

abc

@Bubbler @Bubbler Nice! I was messing with simiilar.

Bubbler

Without /, f(1,1) is shortest

Redwolf Programs

Yeah, / messes things up

DLosc

@RedwolfPrograms Pip, 15 bytes: {"+/-*"@(a5;3)}

Bubbler

Alternatively: f=>'.-+/'[f(1.5,.5)]||'*'

Redwolf Programs

01:20

Oh, that's a good pair of numbers

Bubbler

Turns out to have same bytecount

Redwolf Programs

Maybe .5,.5 is better?

Wait no

hyper-neutrino

my headphones either got slightly unplugged or the driver glitched or smth but it started making weird staticky noises and echoing strangely, and for whatever reason when i paused my music it kept making sound

kinda spooky

caird coinheringaahing

your headphones are haunted, burn them :P

DLosc

@DLosc 14 bytes: "+/-*"@{aV^53}

Redwolf Programs

01:22

Chances are they came into contact with SQL

Burn them immediately

lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing 10/10 good job

Redwolf Programs

Hi lyxal!

lyxal

Howdy

caird coinheringaahing

@lyxal frick, only 10/10 not 69/420? I failed as a crewmate, hella sus. Let me just go commit frick and die

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hyper-neutrino

please don't make me read those words again

2

caird coinheringaahing

01:24

Hang on, pinning that message :P

lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing I'd give that a 6/9, not as accurate

hyper-neutrino

omg ro abuse !12

Matthew Daniels

this event is nearly ending...

caird coinheringaahing

Oh cool, I can still star it :P

@lyxal But I even used your catchphrase :P

hyper-neutrino

the event schedule isn't that strict, we can keep going :P it's scheduled for 90m just as a rough estimate

seems to be slowing down significantly now

caird coinheringaahing

01:25

How many CMCs are left?

Bubbler

@RedwolfPrograms f=>'../-.+..*'[f(8,2)/2] now one byte shorter!

Redwolf Programs

Nice!!!

5 hours ago, by Matthew Daniels

Draft: take an input, then for each word, set their letters in alphabetical order keeping their repetitive ones, then output the whole thing.

caird coinheringaahing

4 bytes in Jelly

KS€K but the first two characters have underdots

hyper-neutrino

i probably have the exact same thing as you :P

abc

a=>'+/-*'[a(5,3)%4|0] Shorter still

hyper-neutrino

01:25

yep i do

lyxal

3 in Vyxal

No wait 4

Redwolf Programs

@abc That's super smart

abc

Thx

lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms Split on words and vectorise sort (vyxal)

DLosc

@RedwolfPrograms "Alphabetical order" means sorting a before B? Cuz that's gonna be annoying

Redwolf Programs

01:27

I think so

caird coinheringaahing

Frick

More bytes than 4 then :/

lyxal

That's rather apioformic

Redwolf Programs

Ash had two bytes alpha sort :p

A username

Creates userscript that swaps caird and lyxal

hyper-neutrino

」　スマソ」　ジョ for 8 except almost none of those are actually implemented lol

not alpha sort though :c thanks for the built-in idea though :P

caird coinheringaahing

01:28

I believe KOuP€K should work, but the first K has an underdot, the O is the OE ligament and P is actually a capital thorn

lyxal

Maybe next event uni doesn't interrupt

caird coinheringaahing

Mostly-ascii-only Jelly golf is weird :P

Bubbler

Looks like you really need a Jelly keyboard layout :P

DLosc

@RedwolfPrograms Pip, 14 bytes: aR+XW{ALC_SKa}

Redwolf Programs

Unofficial CMC: Alpha sort an array, assume it has no numbers or symbols

hyper-neutrino

01:30

this is why my language supports all ascii input :P

Redwolf Programs

Doesn't work with upper/lower

hyper-neutrino

are you sure that's alphabetic sort

how should upper/lower be sorted

stable?

DLosc

@DLosc Would be aR+XWSS_ if guaranteed all the same case

Bubbler

@RedwolfPrograms You mean abcdeABCDEabcde gets sorted into aAabBbcCcdDdeEe?

hyper-neutrino

lambda x:sorted(x,key=str.upper)

Redwolf Programs

01:31

@hyper-neutrino Doesn't matter

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino sort ed

lyxal

New built in time

A username

@RedwolfPrograms Oh wait alphabetic

Redwolf Programs

a=>a.sort((x,z)=>x[t="toLowerCase"]()<z[t]()?-1:1) I think?

A username

Why does js have that anywat

hyper-neutrino

01:32

oops

Redwolf Programs

@Ausername I've ranted for quite some time on JS's default sort

lyxal

Well that's the event officially over yes?

caird coinheringaahing

@Bubbler I really do :P

Bubbler

APL: {⍵[⍋1⎕C⍵]} if I remember how to use ⎕C correctly

caird coinheringaahing

@lyxal Events can last for as long as we want :P

lyxal

01:32

I know that but officially speaking

caird coinheringaahing

Are there any more CMCs @RedwolfPrograms?

Redwolf Programs

There are more, but they're all 2-star ones

We can do a final CMC if y'all want

hyper-neutrino

i forget how kwargs were implemented in proton

DLosc

Yes, let's have final ~~Jeopardy~~ CMC

lyxal

Winner takes all?

DLosc

01:35

More like "Everything's made up and the points don't matter" ;)

Bubbler

@RedwolfPrograms +1

lyxal

Sounds like "I'm sorry I haven't a clue"

@DLosc ^

Redwolf Programs

We can try the test case formatting one

Bubbler

Meanwhile my productivity is zero before noon because of CGCC and TNB, and it's going negative because of this event :P

Redwolf Programs

@Ausername I thimk we're thinking of different CMCs :p

lyxal

01:37

@Bubbler what time is it for you?

A username

@RedwolfPrograms Nvm got mixed u[

hyper-neutrino

~~time for you to get a watch~~

Bubbler

10:37 AM right now

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino get wrecked :P

Redwolf Programs

Opinions on last CMC?

lyxal

01:37

Yes

DLosc

@lyxal Close

caird coinheringaahing

Yeah, let's do the -> one

A username

@hyper-neutrino If you have a device you don't need a watch

Redwolf Programs

Final CMC: Take a string of test cases, separated by newlines, with the input and output separated with a ->. Return a multidimensional array (with each test case represented as [input, output]) or dictionary of them.

hyper-neutrino

do we need to strip whitespace

lyxal

01:39

@RedwolfPrograms vyxal: ‛->v/ (probably)

Redwolf Programs

t=>t.split`
`.map(c=>c.split`->`)

@hyper-neutrino I'd say no

That can be an optional challenge :p

Matthew Daniels

so how's my CMC?

Redwolf Programs

Which one was that?

DLosc

@RedwolfPrograms Pip -rp, 6 bytes: g^"->"

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms Jelly, 8 bytes

Matthew Daniels

01:41

alphabetical sorting.

hyper-neutrino

Jelly, 7 bytes I think

DLosc

(Assuming -> doesn't appear in the test data anywhere)

Redwolf Programs

@MatthewDaniels That one was fun

hyper-neutrino

oh we need to eval it?

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino I guessed so, if not, 7 bytes :P

hyper-neutrino

01:41

lol

Matthew Daniels

so I realized you guys are questioning how the uppercase and lowercase had to be dealt with, yes?

Bubbler

APL: {⍵⊆⍨¯1(⌽⍱⊢)'->'⍷⍵}¨(⎕UCS 10)(≠⊆⊢)⊢

Splitting by newlines and splitting by substring are both painful

DLosc

@Bubbler Ouch

Matthew Daniels

the uppercase letters should go first before the lowercase ones, though still keeping itself in alphabetical order.

Redwolf Programs

That makes it tougher :/

hyper-neutrino

01:42

oh well then that's a lot less painful :P

^^ wait really?

Redwolf Programs

anti-ninja'd?

DLosc

@MatthewDaniels Wait, so like abcABC -> AaBbCc?

hyper-neutrino

isn't this just by codepoint order then?

Redwolf Programs

No, because B < a

hyper-neutrino

oh i thought all uppercase came before all lowercase

Matthew Daniels

01:43

@DLosc yes.

ngn

@Bubbler you can split by newlines with '.+'[]s'&'

Matthew Daniels

I'm only here with my laptop still on with the same repeating music just checking out my questions posted today, and now they're finished dealing with.

Bubbler

That's cool, didn't really think of it

Matthew Daniels

so what else can I do?

Redwolf Programs

Let's do a bit of a survey!

DLosc

01:45

@MatthewDaniels So then Pip, 16 bytes: aR+XW{ALC_SKSSa}

Matthew Daniels

being AFK again, I guess.

Redwolf Programs

How much did y'all enjoy this?

lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms Try it Online! (vyxal, 5 bytes)

@RedwolfPrograms very

Matthew Daniels

@DLosc nice.

Redwolf Programs

Suggestions or complaints?

lyxal

01:46

None

DLosc

It felt kinda hectic. By the time I figured out a solution for one CMC, the next one was already being posted. ~~But maybe I'm just slow. :P~~

lyxal

Yeah actually that

Bubbler

It felt a bit too speedy to me too

Redwolf Programs

Ah, I felt it was going too slow because of the quiet periods but I guess y'all were just busy solving :p

lyxal

Having 5 at once meant we didn't really compare solutions much.

caird coinheringaahing

01:48

Starting with 3 might have been good, then one or two every 10 minutes is probably good

Matthew Daniels

I was busy watching a Twitch stream on my phone. lmao

hyper-neutrino

unfortunately chat is quite poorly structured

Redwolf Programs

I kinda like it :p

hyper-neutrino

would there be any interest in setting up a simple submission site? i could probably make one without much difficulty

Matthew Daniels

@hyper seems like it.

DLosc

01:48

Also, giving more time allows for solving the same problem in multiple languages.

Bubbler

@MatthewDaniels A totally legit way to participate an online event :P

Redwolf Programs

I like the mini golf being chaotic

lyxal

Also, actually comparing scores and having a leaderboard of each CMC would be cool

Redwolf Programs

A scoreboard might be neat though

hyper-neutrino

no running the code or anything, just a place for people to dump their submission and that way we can have a scoreboard and maybe vote?? probably not necessary

lyxal

01:49

^

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms If minigolf isn't chaotic, you're doing it wrong :P

lyxal

But make sure you can edit submissions

ngn

and then: why do we need SE?

DLosc

Wouldn't a scoreboard just turn into "who knows the golfiest language"?

caird coinheringaahing

Jun 30 '16 at 19:05, by quartata

It really confuses me because the room seems to waffle a lot between really insightful discussion and shitposting

hyper-neutrino

01:49

oh i got enthusiast on SO?

what

Bubbler

@hyper-neutrino I don't think we need a scoreboard or votes. We just enjoy and learn new things, that's all

Redwolf Programs

@ngn Well the whole point of this is to grow CGCC

caird coinheringaahing

How is that still relevant :P

DLosc

Same objections as the reasons why we don't compare one language to another on the main site

hyper-neutrino

@Bubbler mhm. i personally don't mind the chaos at all. was just wondering if there was any interest

Redwolf Programs

01:50

Sometimes really insightful discussion and shitposting are two sides of the same coin

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hyper-neutrino

which given that it doesn't seem like there's too much, ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Aaron Miller

Unfortunately, I was doing some stuff with some friends of mine, so I wasn’t able to do it this time. I’d love to try again another time though! It looks like a lot of fun!

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms That's a very insightful shitpost :P

A username

That was fun! So, are we making it in two weeks or a month?

Redwolf Programs

I'm thinking two weeks might be better

hyper-neutrino

01:51

@AaronMiller haha, see, i don't have that problem, because i don't have friends. <o/

Redwolf Programs

Should we just keep the name as MMG lol

A username

But it's misleading

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino That explains the mod diamond :P

hyper-neutrino

that wouldn't make sense tho

Matthew Daniels

make it monthly.

hyper-neutrino

01:51

BWMG :P

lyxal

@hyper-neutrino ;-; I thought we were your friends

caird coinheringaahing

FMG

Bubbler

BMG sounds bigger than MMG :P

hyper-neutrino

@lyxal the real friends are the friends we made along the way

Matthew Daniels

fml lmao

Bubbler

01:51

Big Machine Gun vs. Medium Machine Gun

2

hyper-neutrino

SMG = small mach- wait, no it isn't

A username

Ok. BMG it is

Redwolf Programs

Forget HMG, it's BMG from now on :p

DLosc

@Bubbler s/Medium/Mega-Massive

Redwolf Programs

(HMG = Heavy Machine Gun)

hyper-neutrino

01:52

@cairdcoinheringaahing .-. ._.

Matthew Daniels

what? is HMG supposed to be Hot Meta Golf?

hyper-neutrino

~~hourly meta golf~~

Matthew Daniels

from the HNQ?

@hyper the nightmare of all. lmao

Redwolf Programs

So we've agreed to call it BMG?

Matthew Daniels

what is B?

hyper-neutrino

01:53

Biweekly

caird coinheringaahing

Biweekly

Redwolf Programs

Biwwekly

Bubbler

Biweekly

Redwolf Programs

Odd one out lol

Matthew Daniels

nice.

hyper-neutrino

01:53

woo i win \o/

Matthew Daniels

sure. I agree making it Biweekly.

caird coinheringaahing

Watch me star my own messages y'all :P

Redwolf Programs

I'll edit the meta post later

Razetime

hi there

Matthew Daniels

?????????????

caird coinheringaahing

01:55

Boo :P

lyxal

I go away for one second and y'all post 7483883 messages

hyper-neutrino

@cairdcoinheringaahing didn't seem to work

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino mod abuse!!11!! eleven eleven

Matthew Daniels

@lyxal sorry that we replaced you. ):

DLosc

@Razetime o/

Redwolf Programs

01:56

Next BMG will be Thursday the somethingth at 08:00 UTC

Razetime

what si the current question

Bubbler

@cairdcoinheringaahing An eye for an eye, an abuse for an abuse

hyper-neutrino

@Razetime colonel kenobi

Matthew Daniels

El Ri-

Redwolf Programs

@Razetime Event ended, but it was a bit rushed so some of the CMCs might still be unanswered in quite a few languages

Matthew Daniels

01:57

they have the high ground, I have little boi.

Razetime

hm aight

Bubbler

@RedwolfPrograms Thursday? Do we shift the day of week too?

Redwolf Programs

Yes

hyper-neutrino

alternate b/w tues and thurs

lyxal

Time to code golf in math class

Bubbler

01:57

Oh.

@lyxal That sounds too fun :P

A username

@lyxal Code golf has some math - counting bytes

hyper-neutrino

golf your math solutions

Matthew Daniels

it'll be funny if SE decided to put voice chat.

hyper-neutrino

text chat is already broken enough, i really don't want to see how many bugs that'll cause lmfao

A username

@lyxal Present everything as Vyxal programs

Redwolf Programs

01:58

Chat will never get any new features lol

Matthew Daniels

I asked a question in this chat room earlier...

Bubbler

The voice chat would be filled with keyboard bashing sounds anyway :P

Matthew Daniels

what are "standard loopholes"?

and no one answered.

hyper-neutrino

398

Q: Loopholes that are forbidden by default

There are a number of standard loopholes which experienced question-setters seek to explicitly close. However, inexperienced question-setters may unintentionally leave them open, or respondents may try to argue for contorted interpretations of the question in order to side-step attempts to close ...

Matthew Daniels

thx

hyper-neutrino

01:59

someone should make a userscript to set up an audio client in the chat window and connect it to a server or smth :P

unless discord can be embedded into webpages. that'd be easier.

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