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7:00 PM
@trichoplax Oh, I thought dividing by the best. Unfortunately there are testcases where you don't need any red pixels.
@flawr Either - but my point is it's automatically calibrated, rather than having to guess the best way to score. I still would like to see an independent method I just can't think of one
@trichoplax What if we just sum[log[1+#redpixels]]
ah yes, ask about etiquette, and get an answer about definitive policy, makes sense
I guess that would mean being one red pixel behind would matter much more on test cases that only require a few red pixels, and wouldn't make as much difference on test cases that require a huge number of red pixels, which sounds desirable
7:04 PM
Right, that doesn't make sense at all
@flawr .....eh? I agree with trichoplax - it's desirable to weight individual red pixels more on test cases that require fewer of them.
Mini-challenge: form a standard 6-letter English word using any 3 distinct vowels plus 3 alphabetically consecutive consonants (in any order in the word)
@flawr Sorry about my wording - @El'endiaStarman golfed it down nicely so hopefully that's more understandable
@HelkaHomba Would mnp be three alphabetically consecutive consonants?
7:13 PM
@El'endiaStarman No. Vowels in between not allowed.
hm well it is about the same as just multiplying all the scores...
Can y count as a vowel and a consonant?
@flawr So if the optimal solution is 10 red pixels, and you have 11, that's quite bad. But if the optimal solution is 1,000,000 red pixels and you have 1,000,001, that's excellent. Just summing the scores would treat those two cases equally, but your log approach rewards the second test case much more, as it should be
@BusinessCat Yes, either. If it is used accordingly in the word
does oyster count?
7:16 PM
I think it would
Hmm. I don't think the y is used as a vowel there.
@TimmyD Yes, great answer. I once read a book about English phonology and phonetics. This is advanced stuff
@flawr sum(log()) is like log(product()), right? so the order of scores will be the same as for just product(). Just depends which is easier to calculate.
@HelkaHomba codify
hmm, i think of y as consonant in e.g. "your", but as vowel here, similar to "o" + "i"
7:17 PM
@trichoplax definitely sum(log())
@MitchSchwartz Either way this is very close to the word I was thinking!
4 mins ago, by Helka Homba
@El'endiaStarman No. Vowels in between not allowed.
ah, I see
@flawr I think the only question now is whether that biases the scores enough to balance the sizes of the test cases. If not, you could use the product of squared scores instead of just the product
cd-e-f are not consecutive consonants
I've found a few with 2 vowels, but with 3 it's hard
7:19 PM
@trichoplax so 2*sum(log()), it seams that doesnt make any difference. You're just squaring the whole thing
ouster is a word, but i didn't know it until playing with the dictionary
storey? I don't think they spell it like the in the US though.
@MitchSchwartz Nice!
@BusinessCat That works too
@flawr No that wouldn't change the order from just sum(log()). Good point. I need to think more...
7:21 PM
I was thinking orates. rst seems easiest
is there a comparison sort that takes the absolute value of the compare() function to estimate where it will go?
found abduce
7:23 PM
aka, negative numbers still means "less than" but whether your compare function returns -5 vs -1, it'll try to use that information to estimate (and get fewer comparisons on average)
@flawr I think just taking the product of the scores might be good enough. This means being 10% more than an opponent's score will have a similar effect on your overall score regardless of the size of the test case.
That means that I cannot make any test cases that need no pixels, right?
@flawr Your approach of adding 1 to each test score seems to work
@flawr If Alice does well at a large test case but badly at a small test case, and Bob does well at a small test case but badly at a large test case, which do you want to score higher?
7:31 PM
@HelkaHomba You missed out "all of the above" :P
Aug 10 at 22:22, by flawr
Please include the title of the poll when posting a link.
no love for weird tape based esolang ;_;
A: "Hello, World!"

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People might love the language, but just not upvote the solution
I don't understand it
7:37 PM
I'm always more inclined to vote with a good explanation
@HelkaHomba Too bad the crepes option has lemon. Take that out and that'd be my preference. Tuna is disgusting.
I said it anyway, even though it would be better without lemons
@HelkaHomba Would this be, like, my main entree?
Yes, for dinner
All three options sound delicious but I don't think I'd want to have just a giant plate of au gratin potatoes or crepes
Going with tuna melt
7:42 PM
I really want somebody to post a Java solution so that I can see if my C solution beats it… — Dave 1 min ago
Calling all Java people Canadians
Insult to Canadians.
I guess that's me...
@βετѧΛєҫαγ that was fun to watch
@NathanMerrill Haha that's what I'm here for
Do people in Europe eat the thick pancakes like people in the US do? Or is it just thin stuff like crêpes and lefse and the like?
I mean, really fluffy buttermilk pancakes here in the US can get to like 1cm thick
What pancake actually means varies greatly from state to state in Germany.
In the UK, AFAIK the general pancake is a thin crepe-type thing
@mınxomaτ Can it mean these?
@HelkaHomba Asking the important questions
7:47 PM
@HelkaHomba Among other yeah
Minus the heart attack condiments
It is supposedly the IHOP
the p look like a rho
Perfect pancakes imo:
7:49 PM
@mınxomaτ Some people put the weirdest stuff on their pancakes here I swear
@Mego Those look amazing
@mınxomaτ ...
Pancake in the north of Germany.
7:50 PM
That looks more like a bun
@mınxomaτ That looks like a sweet biscuit thing you'd find at a Chinese buffet in the US
@TimmyD I know right
Or a jelly filled donut
@Mego Oh no, that's big. Like bigger than a fist.
@quartata avocado
actually good
7:50 PM
Usually filled with jelly.
IMO the best toppings for a pancake are some mixed berries and just a touch of syrup
@mınxomaτ like?
@mınxomaτ Oh jeebus
@mınxomaτ wat
I can feel my arteries constricting just looking at that
7:51 PM
is big donut
@mınxomaτ I prefer mine filled with MATL instead of Jelly :P
@Mego But calling that pancake in some states will start a holy war
@mınxomaτ Yeah, that's a filled donut
@mınxomaτ I'd say they're entirely justified if someone calls that a pancake
7:52 PM
A pancake is a cake that you cook in a pan
I don't think anyone in the US would consider that a pancake
@Mego The other word for this is "Berliner"
If you cook it in an oven, it's not a pancake. It's a regular cake.
@mınxomaτ Ah, the "I am a jelly donut" phrasing
7:53 PM
@Mego That is cooked in a pan.
@mınxomaτ Oh, like JFK?
Q: Coating Every Pancake

Helka HombaYou have a stack of pancakes on a plate with a glob of syrup on top so thick it can't run down the sides. You won't be happy to eat until both faces of each pancake have at least touched the syrup, but right now only one face of the top pancake has. You know that the syrup will never soak throug...

^ related
@Mego Except tasty
Why can't you people just eat french toast instead
7:54 PM
TL;DR: The word pancake ("Pfannkuchen") literally means three completely different things in Germany. One of them is made from potatoes.
@quartata Because they're Germans, not French. Jeez did you not learn geography? :P
waffles > pancakes > french toast
7:55 PM
@Mego Here are three photos of the three dishes: duden.de/rechtschreibung/Pfannkuchen (scroll down)
pancakes > waffles > French toast
I quite like french toast
Wafflized french toast > waffles > french toast > pancakes
7:55 PM
I'm sorry, but no breakfast is better than a Full English
Especially dusted with powdered sugar
You are making me hungry, pls stahp ;_;
these pretzels are making me thirsty
@Adnan French toast is the bomb
7:56 PM
@βετѧΛєҫαγ Baked beans for breakfast?
@βετѧΛєҫαγ I don't like baked beans for breakfast, but everything else in a Full Monty is good
@βετѧΛєҫαγ Oh yes.
@mınxomaτ I see crepes, a jelly doughnut, and hash browns
Well, the taste fits for sure
7:57 PM
Beans are the bomb
@africabytotobot, down in africa
i bless the rains
77 tweets, 1.7k followers, following 50 users
@MitchSchwartz Next poll: crab bisque vs. turkey chili vs. jambalaya vs. mulligatawny ;)
And fried/eggy bread
I love baked beans, but having them with breakfast seems weird to me. That's traditionally barbecue food in the US.
@βετѧΛєҫαγ why
i am hungry now
7:58 PM
@HelkaHomba Obviously jambalaya
@HelkaHomba oooo tough
-1 language name makes me want cake :P — Downgoat 4 mins ago
@Mego i have them literally every other meal. So breakfast once every 2 days.
@Mego I think I agree
7:59 PM
If jambalaya is one of the choices, who cares about the others?
I think I gotta go with crab bisque. They're all good though
But do you pay $2 extra for bread?
Actually, what the best thing for breakfast is is sausage, biscuits and gravy
@βετѧΛєҫαγ Bonus points for making sausage gravy and pouring it over biscuits
8:02 PM
I visited England once. The only food that I really miss is the custard. English custard is just something that you can't find here in the US.
@TùxCräftîñg :/ did you just downvote cheddar's showcase :(
TIL: PHP's hebrevc function ("Convert logical Hebrew text to visual text with newline conversion") is in the same location as their str_split
@Downgoat no
@TimmyD You can probably get Ambrosia on Amazon
@TùxCräftîñg :( someone did
like, I have no idea how they decided what goes in what package
@Downgoat where?
@TùxCräftîñg just now here
8:03 PM
@downvoter ಠ_ಠ
@TimmyD I can't get anything close to the fish and chips I had in the UK
@Downgoat I didn't downvote it, but doing the snippets in the wrong order might be worth a downvote :P
wait wat
Neoscript type casting is more verbose than Cheddar type casting ;_;
there are a couple of marathons i need to do one of these days, seinfeld, early simpsons, maybe others
8:05 PM
10 as String in Neoscript and String::10 in Cheddar
@βετѧΛєҫαγ But "Ambrosia" means something very different here in the 'States...
@Downgoat you need to update it anyway
@TùxCräftîñg 10 as String is valid cheddar too!
@Downgoat missing 8
@Mego Fun fact -- I have one of those
8:06 PM
@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ idk what to do for eight
It is really loud and annoying to roll
@quartata Yeah, that's true. I'm not a huge fan of fish, though, so I don't miss that as much.
but Neoscript only have the as syntax and : is already used
can you do 1as String in neoscript?
Only one byte extra
8:07 PM
Off topic Q, but what colour should Earl Grey be when it's brewed enough?
</shameless self promotion>
14 views is my all time high this month ;_;
@TimmyD I bought one for my college roommate a few years back. The thing is a pain to roll, yeah. It's not balanced well at all.
@βετѧΛєҫαγ Grey
700 people read my 2-post blog last month and I have no idea why.
@Mego Dammit
8:10 PM
@mınxomaτ pls share secret to getting so many views
My tea's gone green
@Downgoat If only I knew.
@βετѧΛєҫαγ At least it didn't go plaid
@mınxomaτ do you not have google analytics?
@NathanMerrill How is that relevant?
8:12 PM
it can tell you where your visitors came from
@HelkaHomba Does it bother anyone else that the Olympic rings are in the wrong positioning?
I have Analytics (not Google). That still doesn't tell me the reason for the visit.
Even if I know the referrer.
@Mego Don't hold your breath ;)
Also, someone from the Ukraine tried to DDoS the blog repeatedly.
93 times in fact.
8:17 PM
@Downgoat you should write a comic, one gets plenty of views with that.
@ConorO'Brien can't, gaot is not funny enough ;_;
i really want to write a comic, only problem: i am more bad than the word bad itself at drawing
I do suppose most of my views are from here.
> more bad
> more badder
8:19 PM
@Downgoat @TùxCräftîñg "%d"%10 in Cheddar
@El'endiaStarman No, but it bothers me that they have exclusive rights to any image of any formation of 5 interlocking rings (link)
@LeakyNun ""+10 in Neoscript
@LeakyNun what is? number to string?
@ConorO'Brien yes
@TùxCräftîñg Cheddar isn't a golf-lang
Neoscript isnt also
8:20 PM
3 bytes shorter than the numeric cast, nice! :D
just the syntax is golfy
and the ""+ is a trick from JavaScript
@ConorO'Brien I started a webcomic like a year ago. Quickly ran out of ideas...
um... gimme a few minutes
@mınxomaτ DDoS or DoS? If it was DDoS, were all of the requests from Ukraine?
8:25 PM
@mınxomaτ I hope i won't run out of ideas :P
> These code points in the Basic Multilingual Plane (BMP) are the only code points that can be represented in UCS-2. Modern text almost exclusively consists of these code points.[citation needed]
why do you need a citation ಠ_ಠ
Damn, I think I lost all the comic strips. Maybe on some dusty HDD...
What is equivalent of Wordpress for comics
the thing where Conor host his comics
@Downgoat I am using comic fury, you should use that. (I do not use wordpress.)
8:32 PM
user image
Found one
(this is about the uberman sleep schedule)
That would be horrible...
For a start, how would you get a job?
8:36 PM
What prompted me to make this was
Nothing better than a yo momma joke
There's a 28h day scheduler: 28h.t-animal.de/#.
> deconflictorizr
Q: Dense Number Sequence

MegoOEIS: A167171 A dense number is a number that has as many prime divisors as non-prime divisors (including 1 and itself as divisors). The first 100 dense numbers are: 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 10, 11, 13, 14, 15, 17, 19, 21, 22, 23, 26, 29, 31, 33, 34, 35, 37, 38, 39, 41, 43, 46, 47, 51, 53, 55, 57, 58, 59...

Q: How many lights are on?

CasperTheFriendlyCodeYou are little speck on a Cartesian plane. Pondering your existence, you decide to roam around your plane and touch things. You notice that every coordinate pair you visit has a light switch. To entertain yourself, you decide to toggle every switch that you come across. The Challenge: Create a p...

8:39 PM
I've linked to it before, but it's brilliant
@ConorO'Brien does it let me use my own domain?
@Downgoat I don't know. but it does let you use a short domain: <yourthing>.cfw.me
> goat.cfw.me
;_____; someone took it
y dey do dis
:/ they;er a pirate, not even a goat
8:41 PM
@ConorO'Brien :D that's free
> Email addresses do not start with a www. or a http://. That is only websites. Your email will not work if you include either mistakingly
teacher is asking for list of hobbies but how to say programming as one without sounding like nerd ;_;
8:43 PM
> Yo momma so FAT, she can't handle files bigger than 4gb.
dam son
@Downgoat wait teacher?
@Downgoat you're in class right now? :/
@Downgoat Mate, just admit that you're a nerd
We're all nerds
:| ;_;
8:45 PM
even penguins are nerds
@ASCII-only ?
> teacher is asking for list of hobbies...
@ConorO'Brien just left
@βετѧΛєҫαγ Provided you could negotiate a couple of 20 minute breaks, you could get a day job and and night job
8:47 PM
@Downgoat ah. in summer?
@trichoplax That's probably easier for the night job
@ConorO'Brien summer break is over ;_;
Haha blows raspberry at Americans
@Downgoat I'd be surprised, but I start in like a week -.-
@βετѧΛєҫαγ where do you live? ಠ_ಠ
in 1 month :P
8:48 PM
@Downgoat Or pretend to be a geek
wrong person
@ConorO'Brien UK
ah, that explains everything
Yeah, September 12th
For my school, that is (it's private)
when do you get out?
8:49 PM
Uhh I can't remember
It was after my last exam
The UK is much further East, so summer ends later
@ConorO'Brien 23rd June, I think
@trichoplax ....not sure if joking, or serious and correct in a funny way.
@ConorO'Brien ;_;
kehe. I got out some time in late may/early june
8:52 PM
@El'endiaStarman The implication is a joke. I guess the facts happen to be true...
@ConorO'Brien o___o i get out mid-july and school starts again mid-august ;_;
@trichoplax Wow, what are the chances of that?! Facts happening to be true!?
All the best facts are
@Downgoat Man, that sounds awful. Surely you get a longer winter break? And longer spring and fall breaks?
8:53 PM
Mark Cavendish tonight #CyclingTrack https://t.co/BoEq7cAaEj
@El'endiaStarman spring/fall breaks are 1 week winter break is two
comic ideas pls?
@Downgoat Huh, that's what I had most years.
@Downgoat I just read about Mount Erebus, a persistently-active volcano in Antartica.
@Downgoat How about an N panel comic where you can start at any panel and read them in order and it makes sense?
I dunno how you might turn that into a comic, but it's an idea... :P
Maybe N=2 or N=3
8:59 PM
@El'endiaStarman I'd always love to climb Mount Erebus
@Downgoat :D august 31 son
@Downgoat wtf
@Dennis Are you going to leave Pyth unupdated?
now i just feel sorry for you
hey, I'm having a text encoding problem. Does this "�z�F��p�3" look like UTF-8?
8:59 PM
@El'endiaStarman idk how 2 make into fune joke

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