The Nineteenth Byte

Optimizer

6:02 PM

attached to your tv ?

its pretty much useless anywhere else

oh, it already is ..

Mini-challenge: Print Google Plex (the full number) to the output as fast as you can. Standard loopholes are disallowed.

VoteToClose

@Geobits My tray has 8 icons, but none of them super wide. It's actually pretty helpful.

@ΚριτικσιΛίθος Vitsy: '01'O9b*\DZ

Κριτικσι Λίθος

@VoteToClose Have you tested it?

VoteToClose

Yes.

I had 1 too many zeroes. c;

Geobits

googolplex

VoteToClose

6:09 PM

^ He's right. Also, I fixed it.

Κριτικσι Λίθος

@Geobits Yup, that's what I meant

VoteToClose

Output: 1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000‌0000000000000000000000

Geobits

That's not nearly large enough :/

VoteToClose

Wait.

I did a googol. >.>

Geobits

You want 10^(10^100), or large enough that it's pointless.

VoteToClose

6:12 PM

^ Got it. :D

Κριτικσι Λίθος

1000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000‌000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000‌000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000‌000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000‌000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000‌000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000‌00000000000000

Geobits

print "1"+"0"*10**(10**100) works, and I've tested it. I'll leave it to the OP to prove me wrong.

Κριτικσι Λίθος

@Geobits My Python IDLE crashed

Geobits

Mine didn't.

quartata

say"1"."0"x100

VoteToClose

6:14 PM

Vitsy, better answer: '01'Oaa^\[aa^\[DO]]

quartata

Get perled m8

VoteToClose

@quartata This is one googol.

Geobits

@quartata I think you need a few more zeroes.

quartata

@VoteToClose Ew, you want a googolplex? Ugh

Fixing.

VoteToClose

Dude: I've set up my autocorrect to autocorrect Vitsy to a markdown-supported link to Vitsy's github page. #worthit

quartata

6:17 PM

I don't think Perl can do this without a module. It just prints out "1"...

VoteToClose

Make 100 print statements. c:

Geobits

I don't think that would be enough to matter much, honestly.

quartata

@VoteToClose That would be long though

VoteToClose

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ You chose this life.

XD Look at the comments of this:

1

A: What am I even saying?

AppleScript, (595-18)*.85 = 490.45 Bytes I beat somebody. set a to{"MEDIC!","Thanks!","Go Go Go!","Move Up!","Go Left","Go Right","Yes","No","Incoming","Spy!","Sentry Ahead!","Teleporter Here","Dispenser Here","Sentry Here","Activate ÜberCharge!","ÜberCharge Ready","Help!","FOR APPLESCRIPT!","C...

Geobits

I like the original definition of googolplex better: "one, followed by writing zeroes until you get tired"

quartata

6:21 PM

The new definition of long: >20 bytes

Geobits

Speak for yourself. 20 bytes isn't even halfway through the boilerplate ;)

VoteToClose

It's almost there though - only 25 more bytes to go!

I have my screen limited to 10000 lines, and I still haven't finished printing out googolplex.

It's already filled the limit four times.

Geobits

You won't ever finish printing it... ever.

VoteToClose

This is my life now.

Yay! 2007 Rep!

Geobits

This is your life, and your children's lives, and theirs, and theirs... the sad part is that nobody will ever see the end of it :(

VoteToClose

6:30 PM

Oct 29 at 22:37, by VoteToClose

Geobits

@VoteToClose If I downvote 10 answers I'll be at exactly six times that :D

VoteToClose

-.- I joined a month ago.

Dost thou even hoist?

Geobits

Oh I didn't mean it like that, I just wanted to see how close it was to a multiple.

I knew I was around there.

VoteToClose

XD Suuuure. Real Richard Action right there.

flawr

@VoteToClose Congrats to 3*3*223

VoteToClose

6:33 PM

\o/

Geobits

:P

VoteToClose

So, one of my female friends (gasp) just sent me the emoticon (y) and I did not think it meant thumbs up.

@Geobits Look at the activity chart, though. ;)

Geobits

Pfft, you said joined ;)

VoteToClose

Yeah, but I joined by accident then, and when I started getting notifications...

That's my entire rep chart. XD

Geobits

Weird. What notifications do you get for sites you have zero activity on?

I have a few stray accounts, but never get notifications for them.

TanMath

6:36 PM

hey all!

VoteToClose

Notifications would be stuff like "questions you might be interested in" and stuff. Mainly for mobile notifications.

Heyo, Numbers whose square is a nontrivial concatenation of other squares!

TanMath

@VoteToClose hahaha

VoteToClose

I gave that question an up vote. XD I have my claim to fame if you become a famous mathematician.

> claim to fame <-- Yeah, no.

TanMath

@VoteToClose i am not going to be a mathematician anyway .... I am interested mainly in biology... but I love all science, and math as well...

VoteToClose

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Okie den.

Κριτικσι Λίθος

6:43 PM

VoteToClose

o-o

New challenge?

MINI CHALLENGE! Draw a spoopy guy with a cape made out of stars, a top hat and a monocle.

Κριτικσι Λίθος

i.e. Draw Count Bleck.

flawr

Like this?

TanMath

@flawr show me the code!

flawr

What code?

VoteToClose

6:50 PM

For drawing le count.

TanMath

@flawr it's a mini-challenge, so you need to show the code for the drawing

Geobits

Didn't you guys know? The (weird) consensus on meta is that constant-output image challenges don't need code.

flawr

Sorry, code is closed source I think.

VoteToClose

headdesks

Κριτικσι Λίθος

#Processing 3, 140 bytes
`image(loadImage("http://vignette4.wikia.nocookie.net/papermario/images/5/55/Bleck0.jpg/revision/latest?cb=20080127203629","png"),0,0,99,99);`

TanMath

6:52 PM

@flawr then it is invalid for the task...

undergroundmonorail

my lab exam was so easy haha

flawr

@TanMath And nobody ever said anything about programming. Why dont you just paint it in paint?

Geobits

@ΚριτικσιΛίθος Standard loophole. Invalid ;)

flawr

@undergroundmonorail What kind of lab?

undergroundmonorail

@flawr cs

VoteToClose

6:53 PM

@Geobits ^^^

flawr

Why does cs need a lab?

Computers not enough?

VoteToClose

@undergroundmonorail I golfed my FRQs for CS on my last test. c:

TanMath

@flawr i think the computers is the lab

VoteToClose

My teacher was amused.

flawr

@VoteToClose What is headdesking?

Κριτικσι Λίθος

6:54 PM

@Geobits I think you got confused with Java and Processing. Java is a standard loophole, Processing is not. :P

VoteToClose

@flawr Lifting your head, then repeatedly (gently c:) smashing it onto your desk.

Geobits

No... I mean fetching from external. Processing is just Java for kids anyway :P

undergroundmonorail

the hardest part was a syntax thing i forgot. i knew arrays were implemented with pointers so some pointer syntax is redundant, but you do actually need the & in scanf("%c", &array);

the only other hard part was remembering the stupid style rules

TanMath

@Geobits really? i though it was c++ for kids

Geobits

Processing? No, it's based on Java...

undergroundmonorail

6:56 PM

we have to write for loops like for (i = 0; i < arrayLen; i ++);. what is that last space doing there? go away

flawr

@VoteToClose Why would anyone do that????

VoteToClose

> Silly Geobits! Processing is for kids!

@flawr To express extreme exasperation or denial of an action's occurrence.

Κριτικσι Λίθος

#Url, ---107--- 20 bytes
`http://goo.gl/RGx3pu`

Geobits

That.... doesn't change the fact that you're fetching it...

If you're going to cheat, at least use an url shortener :P

flawr

@VoteToClose Luckily that never happens here=)

TanMath

6:58 PM

@VoteToClose seriously..

VoteToClose

@flawr ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ You neeever know...

Geobits

@VoteToClose This doesn't make sense. I'm the one who said that :/

VoteToClose

@TanMath Yes. Seriously.

Κριτικσι Λίθος

@Geobits Done!

TanMath

@VoteToClose BTW, try running 'ihateseriously'ihateseriously

who here got the second easter egg in the IDE?

Geobits

6:59 PM

I found an easter egg from last year. Does that count?

VoteToClose

Alright. I’m off to cook dinner. Au revoir!

does not do french

TanMath

@Geobits no! the language wasn't even invented then!

@VoteToClose bye!

Sock

@VoteToClose Bye!

Κριτικσι Λίθος

Aaah! The Sock!

Sock

Hi, everyone!

TanMath

7:06 PM

@Sock whose sock are you?

flawr

@Sock It is christmas soon, why aren't you named stock?

Sock

@TanMath Nobody's... and everybody's...

@flawr Sock has a better ring to it

TanMath

@flawr it's only christmas when the hats come...

flawr

@Sock Shock?

Geobits

SOCK

►

Sock

7:10 PM

Did you know that socket.io was named after me?

VoteToClose

Turns out I only needed to do one thing.

Geobits

Cook dinner is one thing.

TanMath

@VoteToClose you are back?

VoteToClose

frying pork ∈ cooking

Yeah. :D

@Sock Oh? :D

TanMath

@VoteToClose (he's lying!)

VoteToClose

7:14 PM

@TanMath (obvious sarcasm is obvious)

Sock

@TanMath Yes, I'm lying... on my bed :D

flawr

Do we have a list of socks somewhere?

Κριτικσι Λίθος

We should call @ಠ_ಠ for the sock party.

flawr

Please not=/

VoteToClose

Oh, @ಠ_ಠ !

TanMath

7:16 PM

@flawr already called

@ಠ_ಠ

come on over here!

Κριτικσι Λίθος

How many socks are there in this chat?

VoteToClose

Oh great disapproving one, we summon you!

Sock

@ಠ_ಠ I choose you!

TanMath

@ΚριτικσιΛίθος 57

including you and me

flawr

@ಠ_ಠ Stay away.

VoteToClose

7:17 PM

By the powers vested in me by the state of disapproval, I now pronounce @ಠ_ಠ and @Sock undefined gender and wife*. (*but not really because I don't really know. :D)

Κριτικσι Λίθος

@ಠ_ಠ Do the opposite of @flawr.

Sock

@VoteToClose I think "Sock" is itself a gender.

VoteToClose

I wonder what the engendered pronouns for the gender "sock" is.

flawr

Please choose:

[x] Male
[ ] Female
[ ] Sock

VoteToClose

@flawr Not to mention, like, 40 other variations of gender.

flawr

7:20 PM

3 is not enough?

VoteToClose

Gender

Gender is the range of characteristics pertaining to, and differentiating between, masculinity and femininity. Depending on the context, these characteristics may include biological sex (i.e. the state of being male, female or intersex), sex-based social structures (including gender roles and other social roles), or gender identity. Sexologist John Money introduced the terminological distinction between biological sex and gender as a role in 1955. Before his work, it was uncommon to use the word gender to refer to anything but grammatical categories. However, Money's meaning of the word did not...

flawr

not... ?

VoteToClose

Of course, people would disagree with me. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Idrc, though. xD

Sock

ŚØÇK

Bye

VoteToClose

Bye!

Κριτικσι Λίθος

7:23 PM

Bye!

VoteToClose

(we need to organize the sock party still)

Κριτικσι Λίθος

I think everyone should have at least one sock.

VoteToClose

As in... everyone should have an alt?

TanMath

@Sock bye

Κριτικσι Λίθος

Yes, then the sock party would be much bigger and more awesome

TimmyD

7:26 PM

> If you lose a foot, you now own twice as many socks.

VoteToClose

Fractal socks. XD I call them all.

Κριτικσι Λίθος

@VoteToClose Yes, so that you can have a different fractal as your profile pic

Geobits

@VoteToClose Sorry, was taking care of some stuff. You rang?

Martin Büttner

@flawr rude.

TanMath

hello @MartinBüttner

Martin Büttner

7:37 PM

hi

TanMath

how's it going?

why do we not have a Euler's Method challenge?!

Geobits

Because you haven't written it yet :P

TanMath

@Geobits really? so dibs for me? dibs on everything!!!!

Geobits

I already have dibs on all the things. This is more like stuff.

Martin Büttner

@TanMath Because it sounds like it would be a challenge that specifies a certain algorithm, which is rarely a good idea.

Alien G

7:39 PM

So.

TanMath

@MartinBüttner so it wouldn't be a good idea?

Martin Büttner

maybe not

Geobits

It would be better to be more generic IMO. Give a problem that could use Euler's as a solution, but don't say it must use that. People may find golfier ways to do it.

Martin Büttner

^

Geobits

I don't know much about it specifically or anything, but that's the general idea.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

7:46 PM

hey guys totally random but I got a request to make e manuscript to compile generic information on the formation of programming languages and data compression (e.g. code golfing), with respect to a leisurely activity of such. I need to name it and make a subtitle for it. Any suggestions?

TimmyD

@CᴏɴᴏʀO'Bʀɪᴇɴ The Nineteenth Byte

"Wasting time with esoteric languages"

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

Not a bad title

Geobits

Having the title would help a lot toward coming up with a subtitle.

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

True.

@Geobits So far, I like @TimmyD s suggestion, and have separately come up with "Esoteric" and "Art of Reduction" (for titles)

Geobits

Art of Reduction: ad absurdum

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

7:51 PM

That could be a secondary title for this chatroom :P

Or the site.

TimmyD

Reductio ad Elementi

TanMath

@TimmyD you proficient in Latin?

TimmyD

(I'm not a Latin linguist, but I play one on the Internet)

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

"Reduction of components?" I don't speak latin.

@TimmyD Google translate? ;)

TimmyD

English-to-Latin dictionary and my cursory knowledge of romance languages

Cᴏɴᴏʀ O'Bʀɪᴇɴ

8:00 PM

Ah. Even better!

New Main Posts

1

Q: Back to the chemistry class

Introduction One of the first things I learned in chemistry, was giving the formula for the combustion of alkanes. The most basic example was: 2CH4 + 4O2 > 4H2O + 2CO2. Note that the equation could have been simplified by dividing every coefficient by 2, we would get CH4 + 2O2 > 2H2O + CO2. To m...

TanMath

8:24 PM

@NewMainPosts great question.. look forward to answering it!

Why is this code wrong?:

i=input()
if i[1]="H":
 return "2CH4 + 4O2 > 4H2O + 2CO2"
else:
 O=3*int(i[1])+1
 CO2=2*int(i[1])
 return "2"+i+" + "+str(O)+"O2"+" > "+int(i[2])+"H2O"+ " + "+CO2+"CO2"

It answers the chemistry class question... the ideone error says SyntaxError: return outside function

undergroundmonorail

i just had a neat idea for a challenge :o

VoteToClose

Make code that works fine in Python but breaks in Ideone?

undergroundmonorail

no :P

VoteToClose

Oh.

For me, that's any code. c:

TanMath

oops.. the code I posted is not what causes the error...

lemme post again

VoteToClose

8:37 PM

Use 4 spaces, not tick marks.

undergroundmonorail

you can automatically format your message as code by pressing ctrl-k before you send

automatically puts 4 spaces at the beginning of every line

TanMath

i=input()
if i[1]=="H":
 return "2CH4 + 4O2 > 4H2O + 2CO2"
else:
 O=3*int(i[1])+1
 CO2=2*int(i[1])
 return "2"+i+" + "+str(O)+"O2"+" > "+int(i[2])+"H2O"+ " + "+CO2+"CO2"

@undergroundmonorail oh.. thanks.. I got it...

It answers the chemistry class question... the ideone error says SyntaxError: return outside function

undergroundmonorail

you're using return statements but you aren't inside of a function

TanMath

@undergroundmonorail oh.. i just figured it out..

undergroundmonorail

if you replaced i=input() with def f(i): and indented everything else by 1 it would work

TanMath

8:39 PM

@undergroundmonorail yes...

but it still doesn't work...

ValueError: invalid literal for int() with base 10: 'H' on line 7 in main.py

input was C2H6

undergroundmonorail

weird

VoteToClose

Does == mean the same thing as it does in Java?

Or does it mean value over address comparison?

undergroundmonorail

i'm pretty sure, yeah

it compares value

so maybe i don't know java that well :P

VoteToClose

So... that's the exact opposite of Java. XD

undergroundmonorail

so if i[1] is H the if statement should catch it

TanMath

8:43 PM

@undergroundmonorail yes... that worked...

but the else statement doesn't work

VoteToClose

Java's Objects (when calling the base toString() method or via direct comparison ==) will return/compare an address, not a value.

TanMath

@VoteToClose a==b returns True if a and b are identical, but False if they are different...

VoteToClose

That helps me so much. xD

Consider the following:

String a = "This is some text";
String b = "This is some text";
return a == b;

^ Would return true, because they're cached string objects.

TanMath

@VoteToClose in Python, that would return True because they are exactly the same

VoteToClose

String a = "This is some text";
String b = new String("This is some text");
return a == b;

undergroundmonorail

8:46 PM

@TanMath ohh i was looking at the wrong line for the error, i see where the problem is now. i thought it was failing on O=3*int(i[1])+1 but it's failing on return "2"+i+" + "+str(O)+"O2"+" > "+int(i[2])+"H2O"+ " + "+CO2+"CO2" because int(i[2]) is "H"

VoteToClose

^ Would return false, because they're two separate objects in memory.

undergroundmonorail

@TanMath Java's == operator is the same as Python's is operator

TimmyD

@TanMath With input C2H6 the value of i[2] is H so int(I[2]) won't work

undergroundmonorail

>>> a=b=[1]
>>> a == b
True
>>> a is b
True
>>> a = [1]
>>> b = [1]
>>> a == b
True
>>> a is b
False

TanMath

huh.. weird.. I independently caught the error, and come here to see you caught the error too! thanks!

I have a working version now.. thanks!

undergroundmonorail

8:48 PM

hooray!

VoteToClose

\o/

TanMath

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A: Back to the chemistry class

Python, 0.9*191 = 172 bytes i=input() if i[1]=="H": print "2CH4 + 4O2 > 4H2O + 2CO2" else: O=3*int(i[1])+1 CO2=2*int(i[1]) print "2"+i+" + "+str(O)+"O2"+" > "+i[3]+"H2O"+ " + "+str(CO2)+"CO2"

here is my answer

undergroundmonorail

Oh, I didn't realize it was for a code golf thing

In that case there are a couple of places you can save bytes

TimmyD

Wow ... I miss the simplicity of == and is ... in PowerShell, you'd need to do something like $a.GetType() -eq $b.GetType()

VoteToClose

Don't worry - in Java, to compare an type, you have to do
if (a instanceof b.getClass());
to do type comparisons.

Grar.

TimmyD

8:57 PM

@VoteToClose Well, yeah ... because Java ...

undergroundmonorail

In Python you're supposed to use isinstance() if you have to check types (though, you're not supposed to check types at all if you don't absolutely have to). If you're okay with bad practices, type(a) == type(b) works.

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