Ask Ubuntu General Room

ajmitch

00:00

now it'd be a cruel twist if they don't have enough board members for quorum

jrg

That would be cruel. ::

Oli

@MarcoCeppi How'd it go? Has it gone yet?

ajmitch

@Oli it's only just started

patience...

jrg

He's last too. :P

Oli

What's the IRC room? Can we listen in?

Stefano Palazzo

00:04

it's #ubuntu-classroom @oli

sorry

jrg

@Oli #ubuntu-meeting on freenode.

Stefano Palazzo

brain fail

Oli

lol

Stefano Palazzo

it's #ubuntu-meeting

yeah

jrg

haha no worries stefano. :D

Stefano Palazzo

00:05

I was reading through the old classroom stuff today (:

Oli

Are peons (non-members, people not involved in the proceedings, ie me) allowed in?

jrg

@Oli Yeah, it's expected to be that way.

ajmitch

@Oli it's expected that there are people there to support them

and it's a public channel

just don't interrupt :P

jrg

@ajmitch See? I've already made a few typos, and I'm not even up yet! takes a deep breath

ajmitch

@jrg you can edit them here, you can't on IRC :)

Oli

00:06

<paultag> WOOO!!!!!!!!
<paultag> I'm here to cheer for tenach!

Rofl

jrg

@ajmitch Yeah, I need to relax. :D

Oli

Cheering seems to be part of the process :)

ajmitch

I don't know why you're worried :)

I'm not even directly an ubuntu member anymore, I have indirect membership through core-dev

jrg

@ajmitch I'm not. <_>

Oli

@jrg Are you up today?

ajmitch

00:08

@Oli he's up next

jrg

Yeah, I am.

Oli

Is that too late for an on-wiki testimonial?

jrg

Nope, I'll re-link to it.

(as part of the introduction process)

@Oli wiki.ubuntu.com/jamesgifford

ajmitch

@Oli easiest just to scream wildly your support in the irc channel

jrg

Yeah, that'd probably work best.

ajmitch

00:09

the board may have gone over the wiki pages prior to the meetings, or they may look now

jrg

True.

ajmitch

they seem to be moving slowly today

rabidmachine9

Do you know any ways to remove shift from terminals shortcuts ?

jrg

@rabidmachine9 not without breaking a lot of stuff.

rabidmachine9

it gets annoying sometimes

Marco Ceppi

00:13

One down

jrg

8 to go for you.

ajmitch

@jrg you're up!

jrg

Yup.

rabidmachine9

I can already see what will go wrong

ajmitch

time to heckle

rabidmachine9

00:14

what's going on?

can I play?

:P

ajmitch

IRC meeting

rabidmachine9

in which channel?

Oli

#ubuntu-meeting

jrg

Ok, that was a lame "few words". :D

Oli

I thought you'd George VI'd it for a minute :)

Marco Ceppi

00:16

I wrote a paragraph

Maybe I should tone that down.

ajmitch

for a second I thought he'd decided to go off to get a sandwich & a beer :)

Oli

rofl

jrg

@ajmitch haha

Stefano Palazzo

hah :D

Oli

Woot.

ajmitch

00:18

@jrg see, that wasn't hard

jrg

@ajmitch :)

Stefano Palazzo

awesome James, nice work

jrg

Thanks Stefano. :)

Marco Ceppi

whew, two down in only 20 mins :P

Oli

:)

jrg

00:19

:)

rabidmachine9

what kind of meeting is that?

ajmitch

@MarcoCeppi at this rate you may be deferred, sorry

@rabidmachine9 ubuntu membership board

rabidmachine9

what are they voting about?

ok

Oli

So about payment for my testimonials... I accept Visa and Mastercard and anything that Paypal takes.

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@rabidmachine9 Ubuntu membership

ajmitch

wiki.ubuntu.com/Membership/RegionalBoards/Americas

Marco Ceppi

00:21

Should have applied earlier, always next month :D

ajmitch

I expect rep & badges for my help :)

rabidmachine9

it's ok :)

Marco Ceppi

How long are these? only 60 mins?

Oli

I'll be honest, I was expecting more of an interview-style process. A few questions, "My computer won't turn on, how do I fix it?!1", etc.

Oh there you go

ajmitch

@MarcoCeppi generally yes

Marco Ceppi

00:26

They should make these longer, just sayin' :P

ajmitch

@MarcoCeppi that'd burn out board members faster

this one has a high number of applicants

@Oli they rely on testimonials from people, given the very broad range of ways that people can contribute to ubuntu & get membership

Oli

Fair enough. But anybody could write a testimonial "Oli shoots laser beams from his, ..." etc.

Stefano Palazzo

they also love locos by the looks of it

Oli

OT: wouldn't that be a fun party trick?

Marco Ceppi

Fun party trick? I think the military might be interested in hiring you :)

jrg

00:30

Yeah, that was something paultag mentioned (the loco stuff)

Marco Ceppi

picking up steam, lets go Membership board team \o/

ajmitch

@Oli people have to sign testimonials on the wiki

George Edison

Where are we in the process? I just joined the channel.

ajmitch

as in link to their LP profile, I think

@GeorgeEdison slowly getting through them

George Edison

Marco up yet... I didn't miss it?

Oli

00:31

@ajmitch That's what I've been doing but what stops you signing it with somebody else's?

Marco Ceppi

Y U NO TYPE OUT YOUR INTRO BEFORE HAND?!

jrg

@GeorgeEdison You didn't miss him.

Stefano Palazzo

@Oli you need to log in as them :) they can just check out the changelog

jrg

@MarcoCeppi Sorry. :P

ajmitch

@GeorgeEdison marco's dead last

Marco Ceppi

00:31

haha, you kind of got the shaft being first

ajmitch

@jrg you're an ubuntu member now - you have to be nice & hug people ;)

jrg

@ajmitch NEVER. Well, I can be nice.

Just no hugs. :D

ajmitch

you're no dholbach

Oli

We could speed things up with a few "This user hacked into my project and replaced every instance of the with kitten, setting us back by about five years!" just to bomb the people ahead of Marco :)

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jrg

@Oli lol.

ajmitch

00:33

jonobacon.org/2008/05/23/holbach-flash-hugged

Marco Ceppi

Crap, this train is arriving at 8:45

Oli

Get the next one. Or derail it. The first is probably easier.

jrg

@ajmitch Nice.

ajmitch

@MarcoCeppi you're going to get disconnected in a few minutes?

Marco Ceppi

I'm on phone 3G

and I have IRC Cloud, so it'll keep me connected even if I'm not

ajmitch

00:35

nothing to worry about then :)

Marco Ceppi

just need to park in a bench at the station without too much delay

Stefano Palazzo

If your get disconnected, we can do the talking ;-)
you just have to do a reverse captcha at some point :P

Marco Ceppi

Though, I don't think I'm going to get a chance to speak. It's been very exciting process though

ajmitch

exciting?

Marco Ceppi

Yes!

Oli

00:38

Could you not just ask them to bump you up? I'm sure they'd be fairly understanding

ajmitch

they'd be more likely to defer rather than making others wait until next month

Marco Ceppi

No, that's not fair since not everyone may get a chance

Oli

Oh right, it's a time limited event?

Marco Ceppi

Yeah, unfortunately (for me) :P

ajmitch

@Oli board members are volunteers as well :)

Oli

00:39

@ajmitch Sure

ajmitch

Many years ago in the distant past I was on an ubuntu board

Oli

Does anybody vote negatively in these things?

Stefano Palazzo

@Oli yes I've seen that a few times

jrg

@Oli I haven't seen anyone

ajmitch

yes, though it's more common for people to vote +0 & suggest that they come back in a few months

jrg

00:41

I've seen a few abstains, but no downvotes.

Oli

@StefanoPalazzo What sort of thing have they voted against? (what reasons, I mean)

ajmitch

sometimes people apply though they've only been active for a few weeks or a couple of months

Oli

@ajmitch Yeah that makes sense.

Marco Ceppi

Looks like two are missing

I might be able to make it in!

Oops, miscounted

Stefano Palazzo

@Oli In the instances I've seen, people haven't been active for long enough, or their contribution hasn't been sustained.

Oli

00:43

I think I'll get started on my wiki page.

Stefano Palazzo

I've also seen some weird ones where I couldn't tell what the reason was

George Edison

@Oli Lol... me too :P

Oli

Although I can all but guarantee that damned Geoff Daglas will come along and edit the kittens out

Marco Ceppi

walking with mny netbook open

ajmitch

I should probably update my wiki page, I haven't touched it for about 5 years

jrg

00:44

@MarcoCeppi Dangerous.

Oli

@ajmitch Yeah I'd hurry up before Jorge comes along and deletes it.

ajmitch

I lie, nearly 4 years since I last touched it :)

Marco Ceppi

De-trained

ajmitch

@Oli as long as he doesn't remove me from the developers group on LP as well :)

Marco Ceppi

3 ppl 15 mins, going to be close </live-chatting-of-event>

Oli

00:47

Is there a template for membership jibjabs?

George Edison

Can the rest of us say good things about Marco when (if) his turn comes up?

jrg

wiki.ubuntu.com/yourname or wiki.ubuntu.com/MembershipTemplate

Marco Ceppi

I just copy-pasted from another member

George Edison

Is that acceptable?

Marco Ceppi

@GeorgeEdison Yes

jrg

00:48

I actually stole paultag's formatting. :P

ajmitch

@GeorgeEdison I'm sure that you can

George Edison

Good :P

jrg

@GeorgeEdison I intend to even if it wasn't "acceptable". It's encouraged.

ajmitch

I just like to be different

Oli

It's all under CC-SA-3.0

jrg

00:54

Little brother heard me say something about my wiki page. His comment? "WHOA. You're on Wikipedia?!" rofl.

ajmitch

now I have to go & create a fan page for @jrg on wikipedia...

jrg

@ajmitch Oh please no.

that'll make him insufferable. :)

ajmitch

make him insufferable, or make you? :)

George Edison

@jrg Maybe some day in the future :)

ajmitch

@MarcoCeppi it may be hard for the meeting to continue with some board members missing :(

Marco Ceppi

01:00

Looks like they're going to keep on going

ajmitch

I thought that 4 wouldn't be enough, I guess I may be wrong

Oli

How many people until you, Marco?

Marco Ceppi

I'm next

Except, come on dude introduce yourself

Oli

Right, I'll be back after a cig

ajmitch

he's probably typing still

Marco Ceppi

01:02

frail

an hour to prepare

:P

heh, no intro needed

jrg

@MarcoCeppi You'll get it.

Marco Ceppi

Okay, up next

jrg

hit the wrong button

They wanted to get through everyone.

wow, dead silence.

ajmitch

they're stunned

George Edison

They're speechless.

jrg

01:07

:D

@MarcoCeppi welcome aboard.

Oli

w00t

George Edison

Congrats, @MarcoCeppi!

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Stefano Palazzo

Hey you made that look too easy :D

nicely done

jrg

Congrats @MarcoCeppi!!!!

Marco Ceppi

Thanks guys! Congrats to you too @jrg

Oli

01:11

But seriously. Visa. Mastercard. Paypal. Or Ben&Jerry's at a push.

ajmitch

@MarcoCeppi now where's my payment?

George Edison

What... I missed @jrg???

Nooooooooo!

Marco Ceppi

@GeorgeEdison He was first :)

jrg

@GeorgeEdison Yeah, you really missed me. :D

George Edison

Aw man :(

jrg

01:12

@MarcoCeppi Thanks!

George Edison

@jrg: Well, congrats!

jrg

@Oli I'll see what I can do. ;)

Marco Ceppi

Okay, time to go home

ajmitch

now that you've got membership you can get back to the mod queue - there's more spam :(

Stefano Palazzo

see you marco o/

George Edison

01:12

drafts email to [email protected]...

jrg

@GeorgeEdison wait ~48 hours, you'll get a bounce.

Marco Ceppi

Is it based on IRC nick, or do you get to chose?

jrg

BTW, I'm framing that email saying nhandler added me to the ubuntumembers group. :)

ajmitch

@MarcoCeppi based on LP username

jrg

ninja'd

Marco Ceppi

01:13

marco-ceppi then, that'll be odd :D

George Edison

@jrg I know :P Hence the draft.

ajmitch

wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuEmail

jrg

@GeorgeEdison :P

George Edison

@ajmitch Where is this spam?

I can't find it anywhere.

Marco Ceppi

Cool, I can change my nick to update the alias

Oli

01:14

I've nuked it. The less time it spends on the site - the better the chance that whoever is posting it will give up.

George Edison

:(

And the fewer spam flags I can use...

ajmitch

@Oli thanks

Oli

Sorry :(

ajmitch

the amount of spam is annoying

Stefano Palazzo

I seem to have deleted them too, for good measure

ajmitch

01:16

it's usually the same sort of patterns

George Edison

I'm just kidding.

ajmitch

there's another one to kill

Stefano Palazzo

I'll ask the SE team to filter them. they're all very similar, it should be possible

ajmitch

often on the same questions, too

Oli

I really wish we could ban IPs.

George Edison

01:17

Minutes online here: ubottu.com/meetingology/logs/ubuntu-meeting/2011/…

jrg

You have to get the SE team to ban IPs.

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Oli

@jrg Indeed. They're slow though so we should have the power to do that.

jrg

@Oli They think you'll abuse it.

Stefano Palazzo

uhm

don't I remember that new users can't post links?

or was that just images?

Oli

01:18

@jrg I've never abused a moderator power in my time here!

ajmitch

@StefanoPalazzo they have a limit on how many links, iirc

George Edison

Yeah, the link quantity is limited.

Stefano Palazzo

I see

Jorge Castro

you'd think the system would autoban an IP if they get over X amount of spam flags

ajmitch

or allow moderation based on keywords

put such posts into a mod queue until someone checks them

I just flagged another fake rolex watch post

Stefano Palazzo

01:26

I sent a cry for help to team@se. let's see what happens

Jorge Castro

this only really started happening the last week or so

I wonder if we're becoming famous!

ajmitch

probably

George Edison

Was it this user?

@JorgeCastro That's definitely true - we didn't see a lot of that up until this point.

Stefano Palazzo

@GeorgeEdison they use a different (unregistered) account for each post

ajmitch

@GeorgeEdison deleted now, but probably

Stefano Palazzo

01:28

I always destroy the accounts too when I delete the posts

ajmitch

there are commonalities in the usernames, susan is one that's been used a few times

they're always a single lowercase word with 1 rep, easy to spot on the frontpage

Stefano Palazzo

yeah, by humans :(

ajmitch

right

all we can do for now

askubuntu.com/review/… helps as well

Stefano Palazzo

You are doing a fantastic job anyway. The amount of time spam survives on the site is pretty awesome even by our own standards

George Edison

Hah! Got one:

dweller

1

scores another flag!!!

ajmitch

01:33

well done

George Edison

Ooops. I think in the hurry I flagged it as a non-answer instead of spam.

Jorge Castro

at least it gives us things to edit

George Edison

Oh well - it's gone now.

ajmitch

@JorgeCastro I should be editing all these spam posts to get badges, right? ;)

Jorge Castro

I don't even bother, I just flag em

iirc flagging as spam notifies all mods on all SEs

ajmitch

01:35

I've just been flagging as spam

Stefano Palazzo

@JorgeCastro that's just for the chat

Jorge Castro

oh, :-/

George Edison

For those who want a real thrill: api.askubuntu.com/1.1/answers

Just refresh that - it's the latest up-to-the-minute / bleeding-edge of answers posted.

ajmitch

I need to write a spam flagger app then :)

George Edison

Heh... with... drumroll...

Stefano Palazzo

01:38

↑ ?body=true should work I think

George Edison

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ajmitch

no please no make the bad man go away

I deal with PHP enough at work, I don't want to touch it for other projects as well :P

George Edison

But this actually makes PHP fun again:

API::Site('askubuntu')->Answers()->Exec();

There you go - all the answers on the site. Just like that.

ajmitch

still doesn't make PHP fun

Jorge Castro

they always spam that desktop mockup question

ajmitch

01:42

protect the question?

Jorge Castro

ah

ajmitch

I doubt it'd help at all

Jorge Castro

good idea!

George Edison

@Oli: -----^

ajmitch

since they'd just go on & spam a different question

Jorge Castro

01:43

done

Stefano Palazzo

ajmitch

I want to get a question to 10k views :)

Jorge Castro

@ajmitch yeah but when they spam at least it bumps a question and I can edit it

if they stay on the same one there's no side benefit

Oli

@GeorgeEdison What are you pointing me at?

I see

George Edison

We need a question protected.

ajmitch

01:47

I still doubt it'll help much

Jorge Castro

I protected it

I think its a 15k or 20k level thing

ajmitch

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I saw the post about there being Ubuntu One Files for the iPhone in the works, is there one for the iPad as well? This would be very helpful for my work. Thanks

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George Edison

Note to self: threading is hard.

ajmitch

02:12

It'd be really nice if it were beer o'clock right now

heh

15:15 * ajmitch tends to be allergic to cpanel
15:15 < cortesi> as a penetration tester, i like cpanel very much indeed.

Oli

Well I've just written a rather horrible data.stackexchange.com script. Feed it your user ID on the site and it'll tell you how many answers you've had, how many unique users owned those questions, how many of those answers were accepted, and of those, again how many unique users.

Essentially: How many people have you helped on Ask Ubuntu.

data.stackexchange.com/ubuntu/qe/1983/…

Jorge Castro

whoa, that is awesome!

ajmitch

slightly outdated info?

it says I've had 46 answers

Oli

They're answers that weren't on your own questions.

Jorge Castro

the last data dump was 3 october

woo, 169 for me!

Oli

02:27

Or are they? Can't remember

Yeah, it blocks out self-answers.

ajmitch

I've only self-answered one

& I have 59 total answers now

Oli

Hmm

If Jorge is right about the date of the dump, that excludes 11 of your latest answers

ajmitch

I'm sure I haven't answered that many this month :)

Oli

If you've only answered one of your own, there's still 2 missing answers

ajmitch

doesn't really matter I guess

probably better to care about deleting more spam :)

Oli

02:34

@ajmitch I hear you. All deleted.

ajmitch

thanks :)

George Edison

@JorgeCastro Er, what?

I thought the last data dump was September?

Jorge Castro

data.stackexchange.com

october 4th

I was off by a day

George Edison

Ooooooh - on the Data.SE site.

They use monthly dumps and give the rest of us quarterly dumps :P

Jorge Castro

03:27

hmmm

@GeorgeEdison is the AU lens flaky for you?

every once in a while it just stops working

George Edison

@JorgeCastro The lens itself? I don't know.

I actually don't have it installed ATM.

ajmitch

Oh dear

George Edison

The data server is running though.

ajmitch

After all that work that was put in... :)

George Edison

Don't panic. I've still been diligently working on the server.

Within a few short days, users will be running a local copy on their machines.

It's just taking a tad longer than I expected due to some "threading" issues :P

(Threads can be evil if used improperly.)

ajmitch

03:30

askubuntu.com/questions/65507/…

2 separate spam answers on the same question

George Edison

Thanks! [Increases flag weight further...]

(Yes, flag weight is one of my obsessions until I reach 750.)

ajmitch

you're as bad as the rest of us, trolling after badges

it's going to take a long time to reach 750

Oli

03:59

Well I've started: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Oli
Whoever gives the best testimonial doesn't get banned >:)

ajmitch

04:10

@Oli such incentives...

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Luis Alvarado

04:30

I hear they are selling flag weight like crazy this days.

I like the wiki from Oli. It true shows the work that many slav... people do in Ubuntu.

ajmitch

slaving away, the only thanks we get is a promise of not being banned... :)

Luis Alvarado

My testimonial - "Oli has slapped me silly many times over in my time here at Askubuntu. I am truly hurt and need of medical assistance."

ajmitch

"The mental scars that I have from my time on Ask Ubuntu, will be with me for years thanks to Oli"

Luis Alvarado

"Ask not what you can do for Askbuntu. Ask what you can do for Oli"

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"I came to Oli for help on solving problems in Ubuntu. I am happily back in Windows."

Oli

@ajmitch And even then, that promise is conditional on writing the best testimonial.

ajmitch

04:37

@Oli I'll be sure to turn up to the meeting & bring these transcripts :)

Luis Alvarado

"I have always voted in favor of Oli. It is better to be banned than to be banged!"

ajmitch

hah

George Edison

goes and flags all of Oli's posts as "not constructive"...

Oli

* polishes the banhammer

ajmitch

Time to upload a special update to ubuntu, just for @Oli

Luis Alvarado

04:40

is it "oily" ^^

ajmitch

Noone will notice if I slip in a libc6 update, will they?

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George Edison

"The PC Spy"... AHA!!! I knew it all along - a Mac fanboy at heart...

Gasp!

@brunopereira81: If you think this is funny, read this: chat.stackexchange.com/rooms/201/conversation/…

(From earlier today.)

Luis Alvarado

pffff lollll

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