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15:00
Oh, Svetlana. How we all missed her. Especially @Simon and @Lucas
anyway what I think the room needs to calm down is a little trip-hop
@RoryMcCune Other Dave / Proper Dave....
Library of the Dead.
@DavidFreitag Hah! Seems like your package is stuck at the customs.
@kalina you said 'born' - that may rule some of us out...
@RoryAlsop created?
Descended from the Heavens?
Ascended from Hell?
15:05
@Adnan :[
grown
@DavidFreitag Hmmm.. I guess writing "Finnish stuff" on the customs declaration papers wasn't a great idea.
manufactured.
@Adnan I'm sure it's in a stack somewhere and it needs to be opened or scanned or something
Oh wait, no no, I wanted to write "Finnish stuff" but the lady at the post office told me to write memorabilia instead. I don't know how to spell memorabilia.
@DavidFreitag Also, you have to sign the declaration papers, and my signature is my name in Arabic
Oh shit!
and in the email I sent you I said "I sent you the stuff"
15:08
Ok, what time zone is SE working in again? I just got a hat that requires posting a starred message on Dec. 20, when it's only Dec. 19 here (and in most of the world still, I think).
@DavidF Yeah, buddy, you're now on some list.
@CodesInChaos Still doesn't add up.
What's with the wolf on that hat, anyway.
15:08
@Iszi UTC, but it includes the 20th in any place in the world, wherever you may be.
Apparently.
@Iszi DDUHHH!!!
> Winter is Coming!
Starks? Of the North?
Who?
wonder if they realized that new zealand is on UTC+13
@CodesInChaos That's probably it.
SO I've just been trawling the transcript - I went to re-write my paper after many revision notes came back and I found a wall of teenage angst/flirting/memories
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And that was just @AviD
:-)
15:11
@RoryAlsop hahaha
yes, they bring me down. And I get back up again.
@RoryAlsop Hehehehehe
@RoryAlsop but the memories were awesome!
Oh god yes
I need to have them read from the cuneiform tablets I inscribed them on, by a skilled archaeologist, but they are good
@AviD No, the line is "I get knocked down, but I get up again"
@Iszi yes yes, that.
15:14
@Avid @manish how do you get "I'm not listening"
I've heard it both ways.
@Iszi tubthumping
@kalina Precisely
@kalina what? they're ignoring you
@RoryAlsop they had script in your day?
15:20
it's fine, I worked it out
@LucasKauffman I didn't think they even had an alphabet.
@Adnan Oh well
@kalina see other room....
Anybody want to jump in to spar with this guy? I'm not sure I can help him.
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A: Why CSRF Token has to be a Cryptographically Strong Random number, in Double Submit Cookies method?

John WuIt doesn't It just has to be pseudo random. CSRF is not compatible with brute force attacks. Consider the attack vector: Malicious user crafts a special email or web page with HTML that posts to the site of interest User is logged on to the site of interest, and the session ID is passed pass...

@Iszi Alphabets are rather latecomers anyway... one of the earliest being ancient Ugaritic, but that's well within the first millenia BC. Sumerian, that @Rory probably used professionally (everybody was doing it at that time), is a mixed syllabic/ideographic notation.
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15:38
Yes @Iszi - what @ThomasPornin said :-P
@Adnan As long as i get my Finnish things, i don't care what list i get on.
@RoryMcCune said Rory McCune
@RoryMcCune I'm going to do the whisky trail in Scottland this spring!
@LucasKauffman yeah I'm trying something
@rory
finally
@rory no longer pings me :)
woo an end to ambiguous rory'ing :)
@rory no?
15:44
@RoryMcCune Dammit! That's no fun!
@LucasKauffman hey did you just type @rory there?
@RoryMcCune yea
to check
or did you copy/paste from my name?
@rory @rory @rory
15:44
damn it thought that might've worked
thank you two so much :op
@rory what?
@RoryMcCune You can't ping yourself... :P
@rory no
@rory problem
homoglyphed my name
in the main stack exchange profile
d'ya know can I change it in chat separately from the main one?
@rory the pings
15:47
@kalina correct
For people with time, good network bandwidth, and sound: 2012.video.sector.ca/video/51119497
@ThomasPornin haha, @Rory slammed by the Bear.
hey someone try that ambiguous ping thing again would ya?
@Rory - what do you mean
@TerryChia Actually, you can.
15:52
woo
it works
@Terry
Nope. :O
@Iszi ...
@RoryAlsop I don't get @rory pings any more
Yup.
@Iszi Ah, the reply trick.
15:52
@roryalsop 'cause they're almost always directed at you :)
how about if I @RoryM ping you?
@RоryMcCune or do I need to reply to a post
@RoryAlsop yep replies work, there's a homoglyph in my name now
interestingly on the URL bar I'm rry-mccune now
but it displays looking ok.
@RоryMcCune Homoglyph is a word, now?
15:54
The use case will benefit almost everyone - the only downside is when I try and ping you I'll need to grab that string
@Iszi yarr
@RoryAlsop yeah I'm somewhat harder to ping but apart from that it helps with disambiguation without me having to have an odd display name...
totally
Rorie Hood is safe if he turns up, unless folks start calling me ror
@RoryAlsop true, though isn't there a minimum number of characters before it pings everyone?
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I think
15:56
Does @rrr ping you?
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Guess that answers that.
@Iszi how in hell did you get the hat for "post a starred message in chat on December 20"? It's still 19th last I checked :O
@TildalWave There you go.
@TerryChia nope
@TildalWave We went over this. Apparently, it's the 20th in New Zealand or something.
15:57
@TildalWave 1337 skillz
hahaha
good one
It will be 20th dec in 3 minutes.
@TildalWave do you not have one
I need 2 more upvotes. Someone help me out. :P
Oh - I see you do
@TerryChia what kind and where
15:58
@RoryAlsop nope not yet
@TildalWave give it a couple of minutes
Where is then 20th already? Easter Island?
@RoryAlsop Well, I need rep actually.
So any answers will do.
@RoryAlsop Why does it look like you have a Mac in your face?
@Iszi Hello World. It's the only one of my hats I can't get here
It's for your first post
15:59
I haven't gotten it anywhere. I feel lame.
Wooo! Got the rep cap hat at last.
so I did it on Amateur Radio (where I got one of my Chuck Yeagers)
@Iszi join a new site. Post a question. done
> 5:00 AM
Friday, December 20, 2013 (NZDT)
Time in Wellington, New Zealand
now ^
and
20th December 12AM here.
> 5:45 AM Chatham Island (CHADT)
@TerryChia Happy 20th December!
5 p.m. 19th here
16:02
@RoryAlsop It needs votes though, doesn't it?
@RoryAlsop Did we ever figure out the Chuck Yeager?
I haz ze hat!
@Iszi yep - but that's not a problem
@RoryAlsop Are you in for a little abuse of mod powers for hat giving purposes? :P
hmmm, takes some time to show in chats too
@Iszi kind of. The specifics are not quite clear - ie how long is the time period
16:03
Where's @Adnan? I gotta thank him for the pretty hat.
57 minutes left
@TerryChia what do you mean - @Adnan is hat police
@Simon you know it was me who starred you, right?
So yep, screw you all!!!!!!!!!!!
@kalina lies
nope, adnan's stars got cleared, he couldn't restar
16:03
@RoryAlsop Reopen this one. Wait till I get hat then you can close it again. security.stackexchange.com/questions/47321/…
:P
@Simon that hat works quite well with your, erm, face
@RoryAlsop Thanks!
@TerryChia that one is a bad choice, as it maps to a duplicate. Have you got one that would be less impact
@Rory this doesnt work?
How did I not get Hello, World here then? Both my first question and my first answer have upvotes.
16:04
@Iszi has been for a long time.
@Iszi but they were some time ago, not in the last few days
@AviD well depends on your purpose
@AviD if it was to ping me then nope, doesn't work :)
@RoryAlsop Not fair.
16:05
@Rory how bout that?
@TerryChia okay - when can I reopen
@Rоry this? ahhhh
@RoryAlsop Now. :)
@AviD that's the one, but that doesn't ping @RoryAlsop ...
@Ror this does though.
16:06
@AviD yes
@AviD that will but doesn't ping me
I have a screen full of yellow blobs
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see it's no longer ambiguous
heheh
@RоryMcCune dang!
but on the lighter side, check out the yellow blob on my face!
@AviD I see what you did there...
16:07
@AviD 'e's smart that Rory
@AviD reminds me of
@RоryMcCune I have hair! My @Tigger has hair!
@RоryMcCune excellent
@AviD if by hair you mean a glowing heated filament in an evacuated glass container, then sure
16:09
shuddup, it looks like hair
Yay, just snagged The Milliner.
@TerryChia thats nothing, I have the Eureka!
@AviD Showoff! I should get to work on the secret hats but I'm lazy to figure them out.
@TerryChia They're the only fun ones.
@AviD Get writing! I got the bounty hat waiting for you...
16:15
.....HHHHHAAAAAT DETECTIVE!!! BUM BUM BUM!!
................BBBBBBUMMMMMMM DETECTIVE!!! HAT HAT HAT!!
lol
Anyone got the Robocop hat on here?
I just don't see any items in the review queueueue.
@ThomasPornin For any practical situation which does not involve battling with hostile extraterrestrial entities, 128 bits are more than enough.
Brilliant
@TerryChia maybe you guys should go a massive trawl through our unaccepted or lower score questions and get some flags/votes into the queueueueueueues - that will help everyone
I'll need to review either "Low Quality Answers" or "Reopen votes"
Already snagged the others.
Hey @kalina. Go flag low quality stuff.
16:23
@TerryChia I think there have been a few low quality answers over the past couple of days
I would but I don't know enough about your subject matter to make choices like that
@RoryAlsop Someone needs to flag them first before they appear in the queueue right?
I wouldn't want to do the same thing I did with editing
@TerryChia yarr - or community for low quality
where I put effort in and got rejected
16:24
@kalina I think the problem was the sheer number plus the minor edit thing.
In principle it was good, but the execution made life more difficult as we don't have as fast a front page as some
@kalina oh please. it's 70% common sense and 30% attitude. The other 60% is just made up on the spot.
they were still valid edits
@kalina yeah, but too minor is a thing
@AviD 160% does not compute
@kalina welcome to the world of infosec.
16:25
@RoryAlsop if a post has errors and the edit solves all of the errors, then the edit is not too minor
@kalina 180% - you have to remember the 20% tax
@RoryAlsop exactly. we tend to work twice as hard as the rest of IT.
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@kalina If it has one error, like a minor spelling mistake correcting it is discouraged as too minor. It messes up the front page
@RoryAlsop whaaat?
@AviD better?
16:26
I was removing at least 6 characters and fixing any other problem in the post
@Simon I told you I'd fix it, didn't I?
I don't really want to argue about it though
we already resolved the problem by me not doing it anymore
@kalina s'easy just look for stuff from @Adnan @LucasKauffman @TerryChia or @Simon and flag away :op
@RоryMcCune I feel offended to be included in that list.
@RoryAlsop ahh, yeah okay. sorry it wasnt clear.
16:28
@RоryMcCune hahahaha
@kalina well, we dont care as much about spelling here.
@Adnan how come it's people who have either passed me in rep, are about to pass me in rep or are @simon
@Adnan guess what, that's the consensus
@RоryMcCune Hey, I'm nowhere near you. :P
@AviD exaktlie, we are two kool fore skool
16:29
@TerryChia you're one spot behind me....
@RоryMcCune 1.2k rep is quite a large number. ;)
@LucasKauffman But but but.. I'm so jealous of your beer stash :(
@TerryChia not really
And I'm getting lazy.
I only wanted to repcap today for the hat.
THIRTY ONE MINUTES UNTIL HOME TIME
16:29
@Adnan yes it's my beer stash
@TerryChia I've rep capped 4 days in a row now
@TerryChia Just go @Lucas for a week.
@LucasKauffman @TerryChia what he said, vanishes quickly if the person ahead is busy...
based on the fact this guy hasn't given me the bounty I earned yet
I'll probably rep cap tomorrow as well
might as well keep it up for as long as possible
rep cap for the whole of winterbash
@kalina Do you have legendary yet?
16:31
nah I don't even have epic yet
@LucasKauffman I was showing the picture to my gf last night. Damn you!
@kalina hehe. you could start repwhoring your answers here.
if I rep cap for most of winterbash I will get epic
@AviD on the first day of winterbash I rep capped on multiple sites
I've been chatting too much since though
@kalina wow.
Oh no! NO no no no! Please don't get the Epic badge here!
I want it to stay exclusive like it currently is.
16:32
@kalina It is more fun to rep cap multiple times the same day on a single site.
that and MSO is very much a tetchy community
they don't like outsiders
@ThomasPornin did that
@ThomasPornin Here we go
I got 230 + another 200 rep yesterday
and 230 + another 200 rep on monday
and 230 on the other two days (incl today)
@kalina he said "same day"
@kalina Get two accounts to 40k +.
16:33
@AviD 230 + 200 is twice in one day
@Adnan Yes you did!
@TerryChia if I stop deleting my account, I will
they will be arqade and mso most likely
well, soon to be mse
ah. but he meant actual repcap - multiple users on a single site, all repcapping in parallel.
right
but... sockpuppeting?
@Adnan Oh, you finally got yours. Congratulations.
16:34
@kalina No. As in 40k+ on the same site.
@Adnan bet that turned her on no?
WHAT
Btw, bear #2 just went di-epic today.
@TerryChia read what I said!
16:35
"I will" is future tense
Notice how the second account has 0 votes? :P
@kalina no, you're missing his point - @ThomasPornin is 2 out of the top 3 users here. by far.
why would you do that
@kalina Because he can...?
crazy
16:37
@TerryChia THAT ANSWER IS... CORRECT.
Jon Skeet should do that
except with four accounts
@kalina how do you know he didn't....?
@RoryAlsop It appears our mod abuse didn't work. Unless the awarding for the Reanimated hat takes a few hours.
@TerryChia some of the badges are pretty slow
is the question fully reopened?
@TerryChia no, but probably doesnt work on your own q.
16:38
badges=hats
wouldn't surprise me if that was the case either
@kalina Yeah. I got @RoryAlsop to close and open again after I casted my vote.
@AviD Hmm. Good point.
I don't know if mod votes will override it either
@TerryChia might also need to actually be closed for a certain amount of time.
I think the one I reopened on arqade had only been closed that day
@kalina but probably more than a couple of minutes....
16:42
so there are at least 42 hats
highly likely it is a multiple of 5 as well
so probably 45 or 50
@kalina cmon, this is SEI. It's probably a power of 2.
It wouldn't surprise me if there was a hat for rep capping X times
if its like last year, that X will be 5
so we should find out tomorrow
@kalina oh, and @TomLeek has a broken CAPS LOCK
@RoryAlsop or he's just REALLY ANGRY all the time.
@ScottPack When are you gonna award the bounty? :P I WANT HATS!
16:46
cough cough stop posting as little bear for a few months and get me up to 20k rep cough cough
@kalina Tell me how to get moar secret hats. :P
but
you're not part of the club
@kalina you have IG-88, don't you
no, I should get it shortly when this bounty is given to me
assuming I got that right
It's a bounty hat? Oh, I thought it was named that because of what IG-88 was
16:53
@RoryAlsop a bounty hunter?
ig-88 is a bounty hunter...
IG-88 was an assassin
@AviD I AM NOT ANGRY, IT IS THE UNIVERSE WHO IS DUMB ALL THE TIME.
Boba Fett was a bounty hunter
wikipedia disagrees with you
16:54
@RoryAlsop hmm, good point - fine hair to split, but expected from SEI
my (possibly incorrect) belief is that you get ig-88 for answering a question whose bounty was applied after the start of winterbash
@RoryAlsop he was the son of Django Fett right?
to prevent abuse of the system
@LucasKauffman For a suitable definition of "son", of course.
16:55
like EVERYBODY has done with the bounty hats
well clone
@kalina no, I think you are thinking of Boba Fett:
@kalina no, thats Bounty Hunter.
no, bounty hunter can be applied just by receiving a bounty regardless of when the answer was posted
@ThomasPornin hahahahahaha
16:55
which is why everybody has been trading bounties
@kalina 'everybody'?
@LucasKauffman Technically, the term "clone" designates the whole group of genetically identical individuals, so this would make him a "clone member". But people always abuse terminology.
you should have seen Arqade over the last few days
So.......who wants to trade bounties?
@kalina nawww
trading bounties gets you two hats
one for awarding the bounty
one for receiving a bounty
16:56
@RoryAlsop I have a bounty open right now.
Go answer it.
we just picked a question of the others' each
@kalina thats.... thats just.... nevermind.
I will post something to chat
click it straight away because I'm going to remove it literally straight away
it's an image
no no, dont denigrate the value of the special hats!
yeah - we had figured that one out
hence Avi and me with lightbulbs
@TerryChia those bounties are on complicated questions
16:59
so if IG-88 is an assassin (though this is a specialized type of bounty hunter), what would one need to do to get it?
@kalina Cheers. :)
@Simon come here a second.

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