The DMZ

Simon

00:00

Wow.

I knew he was a bad man.

Scott Pack

THAT'S RIGHT. I WENT THERE.

Simon

I don't blame ya.

Rory Alsop

So far I don't see HatDash having an effect on new visits. The question on the 5th or 6th has, but that is tailing off now.

lots of page views though

AviD

8 hours ago, by Scott Pack

Yes. We want to keep some closed questions around as examples of what isn't acceptable.

Scott Pack

@AviD Yeah, I know. I took that into account.

Rory Alsop

00:01

Oh - and Q&A upvotes are through the roof. That's cool.

Scott Pack

Clearly your views of acceptable behavior are much looser than mine. I suppose that's to be expected.

Simon

@ScottPack Because his ass is very... ?

IM'A STOP HERE.

There, it makes more sense now.

Rory Alsop

@Simon prob'ly best

Scott Pack

I'm sure there's a Foamy video that's relevant but those are barely even home safe, let alone work.

Rory Alsop

@ScottPack I dread to think what that might be - but I'm at home so here goes google

AviD

00:03

@ScottPack nooo, we agree on it not being acceptable, I just have lower expectations from fellow users, thus need more examples around.

Scott Pack

@RoryAlsop illwillpress.com/vault.html

Simon

@RoryAlsop You would kill the dude if your daughter would have a boyfriend like me, right?

Rory Alsop

@Simon yes, because he would be 10 years too old for her :-)

Simon

Well, that makes sense.

Rory Alsop

she is only 11

weirdo

Scott Pack

00:04

@RoryAlsop Here's a good one. I like his rants. youtube.com/…

AviD

@RoryAlsop dead men don't grow any older.

Simon

I'm 13, don't forget that.

Rory Alsop

@ScottPack erm...now that I see that, you have told me about foamy before...

weird - it's all flooding back now

Scott Pack

@RoryAlsop Which is funny because I only started watching any of them a few days ago.

@vortaq7 is all up into that.

Simon

who da fuk is that

Rory Alsop

00:08

@ScottPack maybe it was him

my memory...you know

Simon

The dude can have ANY nickname on SE and he has a random number in it anyway.

10/10

Scott Pack

They say that memory is the 3rd thing to go.

Rory Alsop

@ScottPack ....

I'm waiting for @Simon to ask the question :-)

Scott Pack

Antici

Simon

Shit, which question should I be asking?

Oh wait, I got it

Scott Pack

00:10

pation

Simon

@ScottPack What are the other 2?

Rory Alsop

|:-)

Scott Pack

I'm having trouble remembering.

Simon

Is it time to get that second gold badge?

I think it is.

Rory Alsop

@Simon how far off it are you?

Simon

00:12

2x upvotes

Wait, me upvoting questions!

Haha, I'll take the free upvotes anyway.

Scott Pack

That's a rough one because you have to upboat a certain number of questions but it also has to be a certain percentage of all your boats

Simon

Yeah.

That should do.

Update you donut!

600/600 but no badge

qq

Rory Alsop

00:31

@Simon I would wait and see - some take a wee while to update

Simon

Yeah, I'm just being impatient.

Simon

00:53

Hoora, I got it!

I hope there's a hat that goes with it.

Oh yes there is, woohoo!

Simon

02:04

OM NOM NOM REAL FOOD

Terry Chia

morning

Simon

afternoon

Terry Chia

Cool. arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/12/…

Guess I'm gonna have to wipe my machine and upgrade.

ManishEarth

02:32

Feel free to add some stuff here:

0

A: How should I handle chat flags?

What does it mean? This means that a message on the chat server was flagged as spam/offensive, and you are asked to review it. If you mark it as valid, the number of flags on the message is incremented (and decremented if you mark it as invalid). If it reaches 6, then the message is deleted a...

Simon

Upvoted

I feel like mentioning in a comment that one time, a mod came here and said that he would validate all the flags from this room from now on without checking the context or anything.

ManishEarth

@Simon me?

Simon

Hell no you never did that.

It was some random dude I had never seen before.

ManishEarth

@Simon I think I should :P

Simon

PFFFFFT

Terry Chia

02:57

3

Simon

aaaawwww

Terry Chia

@ManishEarth Won't a ban be easier?

Simon

I take my "aaaawwww" back.

Terry Chia

@Simon It's alright. I never wanted it anyway.

@ScottPack You are a Fedora user right? Have you encountered any issues upgrading between major versions using the provided tools? Or should I just wipe and reinstall?

Simon

@TerryChia YOU BETTER VALIDATE MY EDITS

afk

TildalWave

04:01

@TerryChia you're collecting chat stars for ze cat hat?

Iszi

Anyone know why Sec.SE is in read-only mode?

Simon

Huh?

Iszi

Correction: Probably the whole SE network. MSO, too.

David Freitag

Maintenance?

Terry Chia

@TildalWave already have that one.

Simon

04:07

How the fuck did this Zach dude review a suggested edit?

security.stackexchange.com/review/suggested-edits/stats

He has 1 rep!!

Stack Exchange

05:00

And it doesn't pop up a box every time asking you to use your real name. In fact, there's no way to set your name at all. You just have to keep reminding people who you are.

Adnan

05:16

Each Christmas, those cookies stir up some controversies on some have-nothing-else-to-report-on newspapers in Finland and internationally.

Fun stuff.

Terry Chia

@AviD I know you were looking into the whole "Windows tablet for RDP" use case. Have you ever considered a Chromebook for that purpose?

tylerl

05:50

@Adnan uh. why?

@TerryChia me can vouch for chrome RDP support. My primary RDP client these days.

Terry Chia

06:20

@tylerl Cool. Possibly thinking of picking up one.

Which model are you using?

Adnan

06:32

@tylerl Why they cause a stir? Or why do Finns eat swastikas for Christmas?

Iszi

06:59

@Adnan Didn't you just answer your own question?

TildalWave

haha @RoryA your hat suits you well :)

The Mask: dr. Mayhem redux

@Adnan If you want, I could get rid of a few of those "controversial cookies" for you, just send them over :)

they look like mince pies that burst open, but I suspect that that's more leaf pastry dough than pie dough?

Lucas Kauffman

07:27

Morning

Rory McCune

Mornin'

AviD

08:04

@TerryChia interesting, I might look into that if I get around to it. I assume they are incredibly cheaper...?

Terry Chia

@AviD I won't say incredibly... but there are a few models going for < $300.

AviD

@TildalWave no, they look like children's pinwheels made into food.

@TerryChia thats almost the same price as SurfaceRT. even the older version, still more worth it.

@ManishEarth which hat?

Terry Chia

@AviD That's not including the price of a keyboard cover right?

AviD

dammit, I hate that lately all these international sites like automatically redirecting me from their homepage to the localized page. If I wanted that, I would have added co.il instead of .com!! :@

@TerryChia but yeah. 64GB Surface 1 now going for 330$, touch cover for 50$.

Terry Chia

@AviD I see. Chromebooks have the advantage of being able to boot into Ubuntu though.. Interesting trade-off.

AviD

08:14

@TerryChia I guess it depends on the specific chromebook, but it seems to me that aside from the RDP, the surface would be a stronger tablet.

@Simon because, my dear @Simon, it was an edit on his own post.

Since this was your edit, I really would have expected you to show a little awareness.

I never cease to cause myself disappointment.

ManishEarth

@AviD Already have the hat on ITSec

AviD

@ManishEarth for meta?

ManishEarth

08:29

Didn't have it at the time, no

But the post wasn't for hats

AviD

@ManishEarth sure, sure.

ManishEarth

@AviD I don't really gun for the site specific ones :P

AviD

nooooo

ManishEarth

But I find Sec.SE to be a good place to get the ones I don't have :P

kalina

@manish!

how do you get eureka

ManishEarth

08:42

@kalina fight club

kalina

...

ManishEarth

see my recent meta comments

kalina

that's a little unfair after I spilled my secrets!

ManishEarth

@kalina I spilled it, it's pretty obvious if you check out my recent comments

Or wait a sec

now look

kalina

that doesn't help at all

ManishEarth

08:45

@kalina latest meta comment?

kalina

yeah

it is a bunch of words about getting a hat for knowing hot to get a hat

ManishEarth

that's all

think about that sentence

TildalWave

@AviD I was being polite :P

kalina

the words "figured out" in a comment?

TildalWave

@ManishEarth Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish?

ManishEarth

08:49

@TildalWave I actually changed my username to that a day before hats came out.

I saw the list of hat names (haxxx!) and liked the Peanut one

TildalWave

@ManishEarth I like "McManish" sounds like some brilliant box of select candy filled with whisky

2

ManishEarth

heh

kalina

@manish gaming.stackexchange.com/a/146521/52800 ?

TildalWave

obviously, I'm not a chocolate man ... but I'd suffer the vessel if there's good whisky in them

ManishEarth

@kalina nah.

@kalina You have to figure out how to get the hat in the presence of a dev/CM

So....basically it is a manually awarded hat. Mention that and you're probably good.

kalina

08:53

well that's stupid

ManishEarth

in mso chat if you want

TildalWave

@ManishEarth So which meta comment then? I wanna see if I figure it out

ManishEarth

latest

TildalWave

which site?

kalina

I feel like you're setting me up to get banned

TildalWave

08:56

@TinyTim Yay! So figuring out how you get the hat gets you the hat? Isn't that a bit circular? :P — Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish 12 mins ago

this?

ManishEarth

yep

TildalWave

So... an exclamation followed by a question?

might help if I knew which hat we're talking about ... wait, let me check

Eureka? Must be some jubilation then... I'd say it's "Yay!"

ManishEarth

nah

TildalWave

OK there's something I don't get... which hat? The Yeager?

ManishEarth

Look at the answer again

TildalWave

09:02

@ManishEarth Ah I get it

don't tell me they wrote a script to catch all the possible such comments or that they have folks checking all of them that mention a few select keywords

kalina

I need to wake up

I NEED ENERGY

somebody is very successfully trolling me

they wait until I rep cap, with no downvotes, and then at 6pm-8pm they downvote me

preventing me from getting the updo hat

AviD

@kalina dundundun.net

kalina

...

TildalWave

@kalina and winterbash2013.stackexchange.com/respect

if you'd really have rep-capped otherwise

kalina

@TildalWave I have that on multiple sites

I'm talking about the updo hat

I actually very specifically said those words

AviD

09:16

@kalina nevermind, its a stoopid lookin hat!

who wants to wear a triangle??

kalina

IT'S ANOTHER HAT

TildalWave

@kalina just try to be agreeable for a day :P

kalina

I NEED IT

@TildalWave technically correct superceeds all

this kind of behaviour has to be classifyable as abusive voting

set fire to all downvoters!

Terry Chia

Let's all wear the updo hat to tease @kalina.

ManishEarth

@AviD You were talking about things posted specifically to attract hats?

AviD

09:18

@TerryChia you'd like that, wouldnt you.

ManishEarth

This is one: superuser.com/a/689842/119259

I actually filed a bug report and submitted a patch to firefox for that :P

TildalWave

@kalina perhaps, depends ... maybe you don't have a stalker at all, maybe you just like to think that you have one :P joking

AviD

@ManishEarth theres a hat for that?

ManishEarth

for getting a bounty

kalina

@TildalWave sadly, I very rarely attact multiple downvotes on the same question and I frequently get multiple downvotes on multiple questions that are otherwise positively voted in the space ofa minute

that sounds like stalker to me

as a matter of fact, every piece of content I've submitted to SE has a positive or zero score

no negatively voted content at all

TildalWave

09:19

@kalina ask the mod of the site to look into it then

kalina

LOL gaming mods doing actual stuff

TildalWave

I mean a mod

kalina

it's only a hat, I just think it's a bit immature

AviD

hmm, would it be wrong to pentest the winterbash site, to find additional hats?

oo, maybe there is a hat for that!

TildalWave

@kalina as in, someone likes you immature?

kalina

09:21

if it was a case of liking me, they'd be upvotes

AviD

@TildalWave pulling pigtails by the swing at recess, I wonder who that could be....

Terry Chia

@AviD A black one? ;)

TildalWave

@kalina or teasing

AviD

@TerryChia haha, great!

kalina

I prefer a different kind of teasing

TildalWave

09:22

@AviD yup, that kind of thing

Rory Alsop

I like this hat :-)
but if we're playing the 'teasing @Kalina' game I might change

:-)

kalina

I'm not bothered about other people having the hat

AviD

I'm not switching hats, but I also want to tease @kalina.

Kind of like poking a bear.

Rory Alsop

oooooerrrrr

TildalWave

hahaha

ManishEarth

09:36

Care to accept my answer? Pretty please? I want the "steal acceptance" hat :P — Mr. Peanut Monopoly McManish 2 mins ago

Not that is hat whoring, @AviD

AviD

@ManishEarth yes, it is!

hatslut.

kalina

flagged as "more of a whore than I am"

2

AviD

this is cool.

2

ManishEarth

@AviD what's up with the last one?

the tumbler

AviD

@ManishEarth its already at the right height, so if you go too far you lock it.

ManishEarth

09:40

But you can't go too far

AviD

like the guy who puts half a dozen locks on his door, and leaves half unlocked.

ManishEarth

The key won't go further

AviD

@ManishEarth I can always go too far. I usually do.

ManishEarth

Look at the hilt of the key...or whatever you call that

AviD

@ManishEarth the right key. but if you try picking it....

ManishEarth

09:41

@AviD It will already be picked

oh right

Still, not hard to notice.

Especially since it's the last tumbler

Which is the one you start with while picking

AviD

@ManishEarth umm.... usually locks are not open like that.... you dont get to see the tumblers.

ManishEarth

@AviD No, I mean that if it was any other tumbler a lockpick would be left wondering as to where the break is because for those there are times where you don't feel a break but one exists

For the last one it is ridiculoisly easy to find the break. So if you don't, it must be at the bottom

AviD

anyway, thats just that key's pattern... obviously a different key will be different.

That's the point of random. You never know what you're gonna get.

unlike a box of chocolates - of course you're getting frikkin chocolates, you always know what you're gonna get! Goddammit!

Terry Chia

Wait, so how do you get Chuck Yeager again? I just got it.

ManishEarth

@TerryChia nobody knows

It has to be for some sort of answering behavior

Stephane

09:49

Good morning

or afternoon

or evening

AviD

@ManishEarth + timing + votes

ManishEarth

yeah

Lucas Kauffman

herro

AviD

I NEED A HERRO!

I'M HOLDING OUT FOR HERRO TILL THE END OF THE NIGHT!

Kevin van der Velden

@AviD You type that, the music I have on goes "Did you ever know that you're my hero?"

AviD

09:55

FTFY

Kevin van der Velden

UFTFY

AviD

hehe

►

quick Yeager experiment: go upvote this, real quick.

0

A: Why CSRF Token has to Cryptographically Strong Random number, in Double Submit Cookies method?

Short answer: To prevent brute forcing the CSRF token. Let's take a trivial example: let's say your token is a single digit, accepting values from 0 to 9. Now sure, an attacker cannot read this value from the cookie or header, but she does not have to - she can just send 10 CSRF requests, one...

spite!!!!

Terry Chia

@AviD Done. ;)

Oops, you said upvote. :P

AviD

it also happens to be correct...

yoiu probably broke the yeager algorithm now.... :-(

Terry Chia

@AviD Here, have an upvote. :P

AviD

10:07

thats probably my shortest answer in years.

Terry Chia

Go write an answer to that memory safe code question.

AviD

I rarely bother answering, but when I do, I usually have a lot to say.

@TerryChia case in point - that would be a longer answer.

need time. dont have time. but if we never take the time, how will we ever have time?

thats a puzzle.

hmm. no yeager yet. Might it also have to do with other answers? /cc @ManishEarth

ManishEarth

dunno

It may have to do with outscoring the accepted answer

Both of my Yaeger answers did that

But Tim said that that wasn't the criteria

kalina

@ManishEarth my Yaeger was for a fast answer

AviD

heh, I like your eureka. bastard.

ManishEarth

10:13

@kalina one of mine wasn't

AviD

you should lower it, so it is squeezed between the uprights.

kalina

@ManishEarth well it can't be for a first answer, because otherwise everybody would have it

ManishEarth

one of mine wasn't a first

one sec lemme check

kalina

interesting

maybe it's the speed of the upvotes for that post then?

ManishEarth

One was for meta.stackoverflow.com/questions/159194/… I think

maybe

AviD

10:16

Yeager achieved.

ManishEarth

@AviD how?

fast answer?

AviD

@ManishEarth I thought that was a factor, but you claimed its not. Also, at least 2 upvotes within X minutes of posting (X is at least 10 minutes or so). Unless there is a delay with the hatgranting....

ManishEarth

That makes sense

kalina

there is always a delay with the hat granting

Terry Chia

@ScottPack Gib bounty. :p security.stackexchange.com/a/47236/10211

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