The DMZ

Rory Alsop

00:00

So you have definitely figured out the specifics for ig-88, @Gilles?

Gilles

@RoryAlsop yes

I think they're actually spelled out on MSO now

Rory Alsop

Oh.I should go look at some point, but... Pinot Grigio

My crap train question - has just got me 2 gold, 2 silver and 3 bronze badges. Jeez.

Well can't find them using search on my phone

TildalWave

> The glideslope system is an analog system, and as such, it's subject to aliasing, resonances, heterodyning, and eight other technical terms I pulled out of my ass.

hahahaha nice one

Gilles

@TildalWave link?

TildalWave

@Gilles not sure this will work here, it's in private beta, let me try

6

Q: What is the behavior of false glideslope signals?

I know that an ILS transmits not only the correct glideslope but also signals that can be interpreted as a false glide path. But I'm not familiar with the details of these erroneous indications. What causes "side lobe" or "mirror" false glideslopes? How many are there, where are they located, and...

Gilles

00:14

@TildalWave the API works on private betas, so the oneboxing works (but only registered users can see the content beyond the excerpt in the onebox)

TildalWave

Ah cool, I thought it's blocked or something ... but yeah, I see it

Gilles

stackmobile.com/aviation/questions/160

TildalWave

anyway, he actually answers the question later on pretty OK-ish so I'm giving him +1... perhaps more for the style :)

Rory Alsop

00:31

@TildalWave i sthat in privat ebeta? Weird

I thought I joined it when it entered public beta

my mistake

Gilles

@RoryAlsop did you find any hat related to cross-site activity?

Rory Alsop

@Gilles none yet, and I have a range of hats across 23 sites, I can't think what one would be

TildalWave

@RoryAlsop you seem to be using spacebar faster than you type :)

Gilles

@RoryAlsop is that including or excluding old hat?

Rory Alsop

@TildalWave maybe wine was consumed

TildalWave

00:33

@RoryAlsop you're on linux? :P

Rory Alsop

@Gilles Passed Judgement - 7 sites, Winter is Coming - 2, Link to the past - 2, Old Hat - 24, Frosty - 3, Chuck - 3, Great Power - 3

TildalWave

wait there's some to me new hats in that hats order post

Rory Alsop

@TildalWave right now, no - I'm actually on windows 7... and not even on cygwin (I don't really use wine for anything)

TildalWave

@RoryAlsop it's OK it was just a lame joke, there's no need to make me feel better about it, if it's bad it's bad ;)

so apparently we have doge hat

Rory Alsop

@TildalWave (I know :-) ... )

TildalWave

00:36

anyone has it already?

Rory Alsop

@TildalWave what is a doge?

TildalWave

@RoryAlsop knowyourmeme.com/memes/doge

Gilles

Doge

A Doge (; plural dogi or doges) is an elected chief of state lordship, the ruler of the Republic in many of the Italian city states during the medieval and renaissance periods, in the Italian "crowned republics". Etymology The word is from is a Venetian word that descends from the Latin dux (as does the English duke and the standard Italian duce and duca), meaning "leader", especially in a military context. The wife of a Doge is styled a Dogaressa. The title The title of Doge was used for the elected chief of state in a number of Italian "crowned republics". The two best known suc...

but the hat looks nothing like @TildalWave's picture

TildalWave

@Gilles gee thanks! :P

it's not my picture!!

Gilles

2 mins ago, by TildalWave

TildalWave

00:38

and that wiki one ain't my mugshot either

Rory Alsop

I miss all the memes. Pretty certain it's because I was in before it was cool and meme-y

TildalWave

@Gilles not mine

23

Q: Hats order guide (Spoilers)

Last year, it seemed to me that hats were ordered (in the leaderboard) by the effort it took to get them (the rarity of the hat). I managed to guess the order last year. How are hats displayed in the leaderboard this year? If it is still by difficulty, can someone list the order below? E.g.: ...

discussion winterbash-2013

Gilles

yup, pretty sure you were the one who posted that picture

TildalWave

@Gilles I posted it, but you said it like it's my picture (which can be ambiguous) ;)

my picture, picture of mine, picture of me,...

Rory Alsop

@TildalWave are you a doge?

I'm more of a cate persone

TildalWave

00:42

hehehe nice one

dunno I have both but I'd say I'm more doge

isn't "doge" a great dane in German?

close... it's dogge

Rory Alsop

Time for bed - was a long couple of days, and I have a meeting with 3 of the board tomorrow morning... @AviD - I'll clean up those comments tomorrow, when I've had cider :-)

night all

TildalWave

night @RoryA sleep tight! ;)

AviD

@RoryAlsop meh, dont worry about it. Enjoy your board.

@RoryAlsop whats chuck??

Rory Alsop

@AviD hmmmmmm - I'll enjoy it being finished and me getting along to team christmas party later

AviD

ah, yeager. nm.

Rory Alsop

00:47

@AviD yeah, I was scribbling. It isn't this chuck

Chuck (TV series)

Chuck is an American action-comedy/spy-drama television series created by Josh Schwartz and Chris Fedak. The series is about an "average computer-whiz-next-door" named Chuck, played by Zachary Levi, who receives an encoded e-mail from an old college friend now working for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA); the message embeds the only remaining copy of a software program containing the United States' greatest spy secrets into Chuck's brain. Produced by College Hill Pictures, Fake Empire Productions, Wonderland Sound and Vision, and Warner Bros. Television, the series premiered on Sept...

with this awesome theme song:

►

by Cake!

you'll enjoy it - everyone have a listen to it

Love that bassline

AviD

@RoryAlsop huh. Never heard that before. Strange, I've watched every episode.

There was never a real theme song, just the opening notes I guess.

David Freitag

01:20

plus.google.com/103779581480043819194/posts/ArgJASMJdNL

Dem comments...

Scott Pack

01:43

@RoryAlsop Good song. Also, I like Cake.

tylerl

05:25

@RoryAlsop They look... old. Much more so than you'd expect given the age group they're popular with.

Looks like a band that would be playing "your favorite hits from the 80's"

TildalWave

06:42

SO is still along the lines of "I don't want you to teach me to fish, just give me the fish, please sir!" isn't it? I just tried to see if anything changed in the last half a year that I last gave a damn... nope. Still the same. "Please sir, write it down so I can copy/paste in my project as it is, sir"

I'm gonna write in my CV that I have 20 years of experience with every dev tool and programming language there is, even those that are younger. Who's gonna know any better anyway?

Terry Chia

@TildalWave Do you have 15 years experience with RoR and 20 years experience with node.js? If not GTFO!

Also, I just upgraded my system to Fedora 20. It's surprisingly stable for a new Fedora release.

TildalWave

@TerryChia hehe of course I do, I wrote it all then forgot all about it until those so-called authors found some improperly discarded backup of mine ... and the rest is a bit more recent history :D

@TerryChia It's been a while since I tried Fedora ... might take it for a test drive if I get some time after the holidays

Terry Chia

07:00

Heh. The Fedora 20 release is codenamed Heisenbug.

TildalWave

the Breaking Bad dude's chef nickname?

or was it Heisenberg?

Terry Chia

@TildalWave I think it's a reference to this?

Heisenbug

Heisenbug is a computer programming jargon term for a software bug that seems to disappear or alter its behavior when one attempts to study it. The term is a pun on the name of Werner Heisenberg, the physicist who first asserted the observer effect of quantum mechanics, which states that the act of observing a system inevitably alters its state. Similar terms, such as bohrbug, mandelbug, and schrödinbug have been occasionally proposed for other kinds of unusual software bugs, sometimes in jest; however, unlike "heisenbug", they are not as widely known or used. Examples Heisenbugs occur b...

The Fedora 19 release was codenamed Schrodinger's Cat

TildalWave

Yeah, I read it a bit wrong at first, just realized. I thought it was "Heisenburg"

and WW in BB was Heisenberg anyway

Terry Chia

I think they are going for physics-themed release names. Kinda fun.

Plus I haven got around to watching BB...

I still need to finish up Angel and Buffy.

TildalWave

you're joking, right?

Terry Chia

07:03

@TildalWave I only started watching a few months ago. :P

It really isn't my generation.

TildalWave

yeah, I often forget that you're still young and all ... especially since you give impression you're a lot more mature all the time :)

Terry Chia

Huh. GNOME 3.1 removed the minimize button.

TildalWave

it's rather tricky since the hats to find anything in the review queue here :)

Terry Chia

@TildalWave I think I just snagged robocop. We'll see in a while.

TildalWave

I'm not even close

the queue is empty all the time, or there's just the normal close votes

if you still need helpful flags, here's a candidate:

-1

A: How can someone go off-web, and anonymise themselves after a life online?

Change your name, and tell your best friend to buy a gravestone online...

Terry Chia

07:16

Oh wait... Robocop is 5 reviews in each queue. Nvm.

TildalWave

aye, I only have one with 5 or more, and a few with 2... others 1 or 0

since 16th

Lucas Kauffman

07:42

morning

@RoryAlsop It is I leclaire :p?

ManishEarth

07:56

@terry pretty hard to get on secse

Lucas Kauffman

I want robocop

Rоry McCune

@LucasKauffman have you seen the trailer for the new one?

Lucas Kauffman

@RоryMcCune new one? they're making a new Alo Alo?

ManishEarth

I figured out ig88

Rоry McCune

@LucasKauffman LOL new robocop

although new Alo Alo would be awesome

ManishEarth

07:59

It's the opposite of bounty hunter

@lucas try stackoverflow.

Terry Chia

@ManishEarth Opposite? So answer a question with a bounty but wasn't awarded for it?

ManishEarth

MAybe

tylerl

@TerryChia Sometimes I wonder if the GNOME project is a social experiment: "How many critical usability features do you have to remove before people stop upgrading?" It's difficult to explain their direction under any other assumption.

AviD

@TildalWave not the HR gronks that ask for it....

TildalWave

@AviD I know, I wasn't serious ... I wouldn't even wanna work for someone that wouldn't realize that anyway ... life's too short :)

AviD

08:13

@TerryChia how are those physics-related? Heisenbug is CS, at best (or SW engineering...) and Schrodingers cat is more philosophy, or maybe meta-physics...

@TildalWave yeah, exactly. I've started being a hella more picky, and redflag job offers based on the HR/recruiter's cluelessness.

kalina

YAWN

I AM HERE

tylerl

@TildalWave The problem facing SO (and SF.. and to some extent even Sec.SE and all the other mature SE sites) is that while questions keep getting answered, the nature of the thing being asked about isn't changing. And the more people a given question affects, the more likely it is that one of those people has already asked it. So then all the new questions are ones that are only interesting to the person who asked it.

kalina

@TerryChia 5 reviews in 5 queues

there are 6 queues, so you can ignore one of them

on these sites its normally reopens that has the super low traffic

AviD

@tylerl ... who is too lazy to search / read existing q's and a's.

TildalWave

@tylerl It's a lot less pronounced here, new things happen, there's advancements from "both sides" and so on. I can't deny that there isn't any, far from it, but it isn't SO either

Terry Chia

08:16

@AviD Hm ok. Their naming scheme is funny though. :P fedoraproject.org/wiki/History_of_Fedora_release_names

AviD

@TildalWave we are definitely showing signs of that here.

TildalWave

also, there's a hell of a lot to learn, even if you're in the industry

Terry Chia

> Name n and n+1 must share an is-a (not a has-a) relationship, but n and n+2 must not share the same is-a relationship as n and n+1. The release names we put up for vote tend to have multiple meanings so as to allow us to select a new name with a different relationship for the next release. It is part of the fun!

tylerl

@TildalWave SO has been around for a lot longer. But look at the questions asked today versus those asked this time two years ago.

TildalWave

@AviD Yes, but not even close to SO. I mean, let's face it, there's nothing really new in programing since when? When did C/C++ come out? It just moved to higher level stack, that's all. But the problems persist from lack of understanding of the low level stack. Or pure laziness

AviD

08:18

in a typical month, how many (or what percentage) of new q's is: (a) here is a great new scheme to protect passwords; (b) here is a great new scheme to create memorable passwords; (c) my server has been hacked; (d) I know nothing about security, teach me everything I need to know; and (e) I know nothing about security, tell me what product to buy.

tylerl

Try to come up with an intersting question to ask on the site, search for it, and it's proabably already been asked.

TildalWave

@AviD I still get a good read here every week. OK, I'm not someone high in the hierarchy in InfoSec so I have plenty to learn, but I don't find it boring.

kalina

is it really rude to socilict upvotes for a meta post on a per-site meta?

AviD

@TildalWave oh, there are definitely good new q's coming, but it really is a small minority (IMMO).

kalina

I need 24 of such votes

tylerl

08:21

@kalina yup!

TildalWave

@kalina No

@kalina what for?

kalina

16

A: Are questions about Star Citizen on topic?

Our policy is "when a game is publicly available you can ask questions about it". This includes alpha releases and beta releases provided these releases are not restricted to the development team and/or close friends and family (like Blizzard do with their game releases). If you can get into an a...

need to get it to 40 for guru

Terry Chia

@TildalWave Hatttt.

kalina

I'll gain no rep out of it

Terry Chia

I have a better idea. Let's all go upvote @ManishEarth's meta posts instead.

tylerl

08:22

Also, dont star this message.

kalina

he already has the hat!

I NEED

I've slipped to joint fourth place

AviD

"NEED" is a strong word.

Terry Chia

@kalina hehe. upvoted.

kalina

you don't want some random scrub from SO to beat me, do you?

AviD

@kalina how random?

kalina

08:22

I duno, allt he people above me who aren't manish

AviD

and how is the entropy generated?

kalina

I'm not even competing with manish, there's no point

I will accept second place

TildalWave

@kalina if it was nearly anywhere else I could help you... I didn't even register on Arqade yet

kalina

so now I need 23 votes

Terry Chia

@tylerl I think your plan failed.

kalina

08:23

@TildalWave you'll get enough association bonus to upvote

TildalWave

@kalina I know, but that'd mean I'd have that site in my list

kalina

you can delete it after I get the hat

then it's no longer in your list

TildalWave

neah it's OK I'll survive

one less you need

kalina

I won't :(

yay <3

now I just need to find 21 people who haven't already upvoted me

Lucas Kauffman

@kalina I'm willing vote up a good question and nothing else!

@kalina on what SE?

AviD

08:30

I'm willing to flag you for voting ring.

kalina

arqade

TildalWave

@LucasKauffman oy no cheating!

kalina

I'm willing to "trade votes"

Lucas Kauffman

@AviD she actually has good questions

TildalWave

that's meta post on already decided matter

AviD

08:30

@LucasKauffman then upvote her.

but dont "trade votes"

Lucas Kauffman

let's see if she has a game I play

kalina

no no I need meta post upvoting

I want no rep from it

well, you can help me on my mission to rep cap 5 days in a row

but rep trading is completely different to meta vote trading

Lucas Kauffman

ah

Terry Chia

@kalina Do you play asphalt 8? :P

TildalWave

sec.se review queue: 0 0 0 0 0 0

kalina

08:32

@TerryChia nope

Terry Chia

@kalina Dang, I need an answer. gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/147047/…

kalina

have an upvote instead

wait a minute

don't you dare get before it was cool on my site

VTC

;)

AviD

hahaha

Terry Chia

@kalina What's that hat about?

AviD

SSSSHHHH

no fair giving away seekrits

kalina

08:35

@TerryChia cough meta upvote cough

AviD

hehe, do you REALLY want to devalue the best hats?

kalina

I wasn't going to tell him how to get it

I was going to give it to him

AviD

ahhh

@kalina you'll just give it away to anybody, won't you

kalina

no

I have a plan to get it for myself

I just want the guru hat

GIEF

it's a sad state of affairs

Terry Chia

@kalina Ah, I think I get it.

kalina

08:39

no you don't

YOU KNOW NOTHING

I SAID NO THINGS

TildalWave

there is no hat for joining a new SE site?

kalina

no

AviD

you say too much.

kalina

there is a hat for asking a question for the first time on a new se site though

Terry Chia

@TildalWave Hello world is the closest I guess.

kalina

08:39

so if you post a question on arqade I will upvote it and you'll get a hat

@AviD you should delete a few of the things I've said recently I think

TildalWave

@TerryChia ah yes, I forgot about that one

it's better so actually

AviD

@kalina glad to.

kalina

160 rep until my 5th rep cap in a row

50 of that should be taken up with a bounty win

Terry Chia

@kalina Bounty doesn't count I think.

kalina

rep cap is >=200

for the badges anyway

Terry Chia

08:41

Have some rep.

kalina

nooo meta upvotes

Terry Chia

@kalina Already did.

kalina

you know 5 in a row like that will get serial reversed

Terry Chia

I don't think 5 triggers it?

Meh, tell me if it gets reversed.

kalina

if it gets reversed it will be harder to rep cap tomorrow -.-

just undo one of them

oh wait, tomorrow it saturday

Terry Chia

08:43

Alright.

kalina

hmmm

general rule for serial reverse I find is that 4 in row works fine unless you're frequently upvoting the same person

help, there is a huge discussion going on in the office about dungeons and dragons and I don't understand

Terry Chia

@kalina You need @ScottPack for that.

kalina

I don't want to understand either, I just want it to stop

why don't they ever start talking about my little pony

kalina

09:03

yay half way to the gold "refresh the site everyday" badge

ManishEarth

09:24

@kalina I'mnot random? I feel special :p

There's a 5 rep cap hat like last year?

kalina

who knows

we'll see later maybe

ManishEarth

Ah

kalina

I need 120 rep to cap

ManishEarth

Can't post until 26th anyway

Post more answers

And craptastic craptrain questions

kalina

I don't post crap

@manish can you upvote this for me -> meta.gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/8010/…

uh

ManishEarth

09:27

@kalina ask a question an outsider to infosec (eg you) would ask

kalina

per site meta, I get no rep out of it

@ManishEarth I really avoid posting crap

ManishEarth

@kalina on mobile, plz linkify

kalina

I hate having negative posts

@ManishEarth I did already

ManishEarth

Not negative. Your post may go hot

kalina

nah

I have nothing to contribute to this site beyond edits

ManishEarth

09:30

@kalina hate to break it to ya: I have a better chance of arqade meta guru than you do. All your fault

kalina

happens

ManishEarth

Have a +1 though

kalina

tbh, if my old meta content had been reassigned to this account, I had a bunch of questions at ~35

there's a couple of weeks left

20 upvotes in 2 weeks isn't a big deal

just need to find people who're willing

ManishEarth

Right. I only need 14 but im not pushing it

Already have the hat, getting it on arqade just serves the noble purpose of annoying you. Im not that mean :p

kalina

it wouldn't annoy me

ManishEarth

09:34

Gah.

My imaginary plan is foiled

glares

kalina

at this point, I've basically won per-site

nobody on Arqade will catch me

site-wide I'm suffering from traffic issues

ManishEarth

@kalina true, but a non arqade member beating you at one of the hardest hats .... :p

kalina

it's not really hard

5

it's just vote related

ManishEarth

I don't think im topping any site. My hats are all over the place

Terry Chia

@kalina TWSS

ManishEarth

09:37

Pahahaha

kalina

for marauder

ManishEarth

@kalima bugged the tavern yet? You may get votes there

kalina

does it have to be a new answer?

@ManishEarth I posted it once earlier, didn't really get a response

I'm not intending to spam it

ManishEarth

Also try out the comms room snickers

Dunno

kalina

I have enough public hats left that I could still finish 2nd without much effort

leave teh comms rooms?

ManishEarth

09:39

Gtg, 9% battery

kalina

why

poor you

ManishEarth

@kalina I meant try bugging them for votes

kalina

oh right

ManishEarth

They may eat you alive

Or help.

kalina

yeah

ManishEarth

09:40

Depends

kalina

if I push too hard, I'll get downvotes instead

Rоry McCune

09:58

@ScottPack could be of use for your calendar concise-courses.com/security/conferences-of-2014

Terry Chia

@RoryAlsop Submitted a blog post for review.

Rоry McCune

10:18

@TerryChia do you get a hat for that?

Terry Chia

@RоryMcCune Dunno. But it's the price I had to pay for my hat whoring question. :P

Rory Alsop

10:38

@TerryChia Excellent - will review tomorrow...

Rоry McCune

@RoryAlsop nah just tell the board types you have something more important to do, then review it today :) I'm sure they'll understand...

Rory Alsop

@RоryMcCune there will be a short period between this board meeting and our team lunch...it may be doable

TildalWave

10:55

QOTW Published event is starting in a few minutes? :D

Rory Alsop

@TildalWave stoppit you

:-)

TildalWave

funny there's still 10 people subscribed to it :)

@RoryAlsop It would be your "how to go offline" question anyway

Rory Alsop

My guess is that everyone just got really busy the last 2 months or so

@TildalWave I will do a wee write up on that as well. Once today is over it gets a lot easier

TildalWave

@RoryAlsop Yes... that's why I'm still "from yesterday" stretching my days as much as I can. Frankly, I have hard time finding motivation so I come here and annoy people now and then. :)

kalina

bleh

kalina

11:45

I'm bored

Terry Chia

11:59

Hohoho! Just netted Conspiracy Theorist.

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