The Comms Room

Iain

07:08

G'day

Nel

Hello

Chopper3

07:50

hi

Chopper3

08:33

I've just had to approve a bloody advert, ffs, what has my life come to :(

Tom O'Connor

08:50

hey

@Chopper3 you deal with lots of VMware stuff.. and also lots of HP stuff.

Are most (or all) HP DL range proliants certified for VMware usage?

Robert Moir

approving an advert? oh my!

Chopper3

we very rarely use DL's to be honest, >98% of our kit is BL460c's and BL680c's - the only reason we use DLs is for things like HSMs - that said I'm almost 100% sure all DL 3/5/9xx's are ESX/ESXi certified, I have HP people within 10 foot of me for checking this sort of thing if you have a specific question

good spam find early Robert

I hate how the SE sites round-up your rep to the nearest 100, makes me feel like a fraud half of the time

Tom O'Connor

09:06

@Chopper3 basically was wondering about ESXi performance on DL1xx series

Chopper3

notice I left out the 1xx's :) I don't know them AT ALL - that said I'm sure they'll be fine, no fan of the Bxxx-range of disk controllers, stick to a Pxx series :)

just checked, apparently the only DL that doesn't expressly state ESX/ESXi full support is the DL120 G6, not that it doesn't work, they've just not put it through the certification, the G7 is good though

Tom O'Connor

ok

i'll just use that as enough leverage to get a 380

Paul McCowat

09:24

I'm spec'ing an off-site backup server for hyper-v vms. If I install Server '08 enterprise for 4 guest Hyper-V VM's, is one processor enough?

Iain

@PaulMcCowat I don't think anyone here atm is a hyper-v specialist, you're better off asking a question on the main SF site

Paul McCowat

thanks @Iain, will do.

Tom O'Connor

Every time i see vms mentioned like that, i think OpenVMS

Paul McCowat

Should have been VM's

Iain

@TomOConnor ditto - I remember it well

Tom O'Connor

09:43

bit.ly/ih35SA Looks like this is the HP / Vmware hardware guide

Iain

@TomOConnor I find the basic search easier if you have a model number

Tom O'Connor

I don't. I'm more trying to figure out what to buy, before I buy it.

Cakemox

w00t! scored a stand-up desk for the office.

Tom O'Connor

cool

Cakemox

now i can work on eliminating my slouch :)

Tom O'Connor

09:47

I have one of thsoe

but sadly my hdmi leads are too short for me to use it

Cakemox

Hmmm, yeah, I might have to do some re-arranging.

Chopper3

@TomOConnor sorry, was away, yes, get a 380, best selling server in the world - does everything very well - I'll check your kit-list if you like

@PaulMcCowat It depends on the processor of course, C2D - no, E7-8k - yes :)

Paul McCowat

10:15

@Chopper3, we have currently have 2 x E5520's with 4 VM's seeing one processor, I'd like to have this setup but with one processor on the backup server

Chopper3

@PaulMcCowat well in that case something like a single E5645 should do fine, or an L5640 or a W3670 - all would be fine

this is going to make me look stupid but is the a SE site that would be good for asking an odd excel question?

SmallClanger

11:09

Doesn't SU cover Office related questions?

Chopper3

Dunno, I'll ask, thanks

Paul McCowat

11:29

@Chopper3 what's your Excel question? Also, Dell are offering i3-550. L3406/26 X3430, 3440, 3450, 3470, 3480 for the rack server I was looking at and for the tower - E5503/6/7 E5620/30/40 X5650/60 X5660. I wanted to get the cheapest I could get away with.

Chopper3

SU had my solution - good lads!

@PaulMcCowat Perhaps buy the cheapest machine that you can upgrade to a 6-core :)

Robert Moir

I'm running a special tomorrow - 10 answers for the price of one. (Sadly, all the answers will be "Install OS/2 and Lotus notes" regardless of the question, but still...)

Ben Pilbrow

I'm running a special today. Rant about posters and tell them not to do what they're asking for :-)

Robert Moir

say thats a pretty good offer

Ben Pilbrow

You remember that SIS dude from yesterday? I've just posted a sizey wall of text basically telling him to not be so stupid. I tossed up several times whether to post it or not, but I really felt it needed to be said.

Robert Moir

11:43

fair enough

agree with all you said there

Ben Pilbrow

and as we suspected yesterday, it is disk space issues. sigh just say that for crying out loud!

Robert Moir

its the usual passive aggressive response of trying to build a case for someone's crazy solution by only describing half the problem

Ben Pilbrow

Anway, I'm a bit calmer now I've got that off my chest :P Time for some lunch methings

Robert Moir

just left a comment on your reply

have a nice lunch

DanBig

11:58

@BenPilbrow, which question was it?

jscott

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A: Please recommend a good mail server that compacts storage by use of hashing or other means?

I originally held off answering this question, but I feel I have to share my opinion, even though it may not be the most popular. For a start though, it irks me a little that you have come to Server Fault after an "answer" and subsequently reveal you are not an admin and presumably can't even mak...

Chopper3

12:38

wow - it's been a while since I got downvoted twice :) I genuinely don't see the point of why people would downvote anyone over 10k rep, it doesn't matter in any way

Robert Moir

the one thing thats always been a problem with support things like this is that people often vote for what they want to hear, not the truth

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Chopper3

great, so one of them's gone off and downvoted an entirely unrelated answer - ah well

Robert Moir

people just take things too personally... or was it a snarky reply?

SmallClanger

We need a variation on the penny arcade t-shirt: "I wish I could downvote you to death!"

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Robert Moir

heh

Chopper3

12:53

actually the opposite Robert; serverfault.com/questions/262130/…

Bart Silverstrim

Hi @Chopper3. How's it going on your side of the planet?

DanBig

I gave you an upboat

Chopper3

cheers dude

Robert Moir

nothing wrong with that. I've had far more sarcastic stuff voted as an accepted answer

+1

Chopper3

fine thanks Bart, had to spend half the day explaining to our offshore test team why snapshots slow VMs down and why when you have fricking dozens of them they'll take quite a long time to unwind - so a bit dull to be honest - long weekend coming up though so I don't care that much

Bart Silverstrim

12:55

They actually listened to the technical explanation?

That question...sounds like others already said that Amazon is having some issue, it's an I/O problem, so that's why the load is high but the CPU usage didn't look bad to me. shrug

Unless it's killing his performance with the actual site I'd just wait and see what's happening.

See if it goes away.

One of the bonuses to Yay! Cloud!

Robert Moir

hooray for long weekends

Chopper3

Plus they added that actual detail after my laconic answer

Robert Moir

its pretty quiet here, we had a lot to do but got it all done so now its alllllllllll good

Joseph

I want to add a bounty to my question but I can't find any button or anything... am I blind?

Chopper3

@DanBig Liked your but-a-new-psu answer btw :)

Bart Silverstrim

13:00

I've got two primary tasks to complete then enjoy the silence...unless something blows up.

Hmm...someone's in a kindergarten room.

Chopper3

what question?

Bart Silverstrim

Must be the teacher turning the eggs in the incubator.

Chopper3

the w7 one?

Ben Pilbrow

@Joseph it does have to be a few days old, that's about the only restriction

DanBig

@Chopper3, i would think the new PSU would be the first option. Unless that box is just a dinosaur file server, and the OS wasn't anything like Exchange

SmallClanger

13:02

@Chopper3: It might be me, but isn't that VM guy describing a load avg of 6, rather than 6% utilisation?

Bart Silverstrim

That's what it looked like to me.

It's not CPU it's system load.

Joseph

@BenPilbrow Ah, that would be it. Thanks!

Bart Silverstrim

Which is normally I/O. I don't know why one comment would say zombie processes could do it.

Chopper3

@Joseph actually that's going to get closed before you get to add a bounty - it's very SU focussed

SmallClanger

@BartSilverstrim: True. It's only R/D processes that count toward load.

Joseph

13:03

@Chopper3 Imaging and Group Policy is more SU focussed?

Chopper3

ah, thought you meant the w7 driver q

that was an answer, not a q - doh, I'm slow today

oh it was that question, I just didn't read it properly - wow, am I on easter vacation already or what

SmallClanger

@Joseph: Is it a PCI card?

Joseph

@SmallClanger it's a Logitech bt dongle

SmallClanger

Ah. I was thinking you might be able to add the hardware ID to the relevant INF file. It's a bit of a hacky solution, though.

Joseph

I've been investigating that route but it's been confusing what needs to be changed in the inf file so far

SmallClanger

13:11

I've done something similar with laptop video card drivers, but used the PCI vendor/device IDs. Not sure how you'd do it with USB.

Joseph

it has vendor/device IDs

it's just weird trying to get a built-in driver to install in Windows

oh, well... I'll wait and see what kind of answers I get while I continue to tinker. Thanks for the advice.

SpacemanSpiff

anyone else immerse in Vmware vCloud hell? :D

Chopper3

13:28

what bit

SpacemanSpiff

ah.. mostly just keeping the networking straight

confusing, so many vlans :O

Chopper3

I'd suggest using host profiles rather than distributed switches, at least until they're rock-solid anyway

plus try to keep the number of vswitches down and use fewer faster trunk uplinks

SO tempted to answer this question; serverfault.com/questions/261753/setting-up-zookeeper with a link to this; pc.kiteretsu.jp/games/zka/zka.htm

Holocryptic

oooo, Amazon went down? Good thing we have DR in the cloud... Oh, wait...

@Chopper3 that's funny

SmallClanger

13:45

What happened to AWS, anyway? I'm not seeing anything on their status page

Holocryptic

news.cnet.com/8301-30685_3-20056029-264.html

Chopper3

@SmallClanger someone did an rm -r /

Dave Drager

I'm still not sure what I think of "Cloud" services.

SpacemanSpiff

troubleshooting iSCSI replication over VPN tunnels this morning... blah!

Chopper3

I was just about to make a smart comment involving the 'arr emm minus arr' command and when I pressed enter I went to a command shell - is that a little SE easter egg?

@SpacemanSpiff joy

Chris S

13:49

@Chopper3 You don't know about the easter eggs?

SpacemanSpiff

I'm wondering if the the tunnel needs to be tweaked for MTU here

Holocryptic

rm -r

SpacemanSpiff

seeing timeouts, but only at the iSCSI protocol, no dropped packets or anything

Holocryptic

Ha, thats pretty cool

Are there other easter eggs?

Chopper3

yeah, bit scary when you're not expecting it

Chris S

13:51

rm -r and del /s C: (or something like that)
For SF styled rooms. Each style of room has a different easter egg.

Chopper3

yeah, if you randomly mash your openID password you can log in with a password of 'Mr Snuggles'

weird

lt pipes everything you type

to here

Scott Pack

@Chopper3 How did you get my password?!?

Holocryptic

Pretty cool

Robert Moir

hunter2

nope, doesn't do anything with my password

DanBig

rm -r

Robert Moir

13:55

rm -rf

DanBig

I've never had the easter eggs do anything

Robert Moir

rm * -rf

SmallClanger

del /s c:

Holocryptic

so if we go to the gaming chat room and type up up down down left right left right a b b a we'll get mod status or something?

MarkM

No, you can just get killed 98 times and still be OK.

Holocryptic

13:58

haha

SmallClanger

@Holocryptic: Try: 'xyzzy'

Holocryptic

@SmallClanger for the gaming room?

Robert Moir

try asking for delicious cake. I'm sure they haven't heard that before.

SmallClanger

Only a guess. Not likely to work. :)

Robert Moir

then rebecca black roll them

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Holocryptic

14:00

A Rebroll?

Scott Pack

@Holocryptic That makes me hungry. Mm...a home made buttermilk Rebroll.

Holocryptic

delicious

Ben Pilbrow

Hungry? Why not try a small snack

Scott Pack

@BenPilbrow In some parts that there's called Mountain Oysters

Holocryptic

How do you even let that happen?!

MarkM

14:06

@BenPilbrow I read "She was granted bail." as "She was granted ball." I think I need to go home.

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Holocryptic

"I'm just gonna have a little nibble...." "AAAAAHHHHHHHHH too much, too much!!!"

Ben Pilbrow

I don't really want to think about it too much. Makes me cringe

@MarkM I don't know if she was granted ball, but it certainly seems like she took it anyway :P

Chris S

Anybody else look at the latest XKCD and immediately notice that there are several shapes that aren't from the game?

Holocryptic

@ChrisS If you're talking about some of the cruft at the bottom, that could be from earlier line outs where the stack dropped

SpacemanSpiff

:: shakes fist :: damn you equallogic firmware bugs!!!

Robert Moir

14:14

i knew there was a reason i let other people upgrade their equallogic boxes first

Holocryptic

@voretaq7 I despair for your state stamfordadvocate.com/news/article/…

SpacemanSpiff

oh, i stay a revision behind usually, but damn...

Holocryptic

@SpacemanSpiff @RobertMoir You know, that's kind of funny. I hear that a lot which gets me thinking, who are the poor saps that run it day 1?

SpacemanSpiff

Heh

Chris S

@Holocryptic I'll see your pointless law and up you a privacy violation: thenewspaper.com/news/34/3458.asp

Robert Moir

14:17

not me! I learnt a long time ago not to be too quick to upgrade firmware on anything

SpacemanSpiff

Ah, I'm just getting frustrated, I can ping end to end at 10ms, but get iSCSI timeouts, I don't get it.

@RobertMoir Yeah but I love when support refuses to do anything if you're not on the latest, even though the only fix in the log between your version and that one is "we changed the font on the interface".

Dave Drager

rm -rf

ls

exit

quit

Niiiiceee

voretaq7

@Holocryptic We've done worse.

Robert Moir

yeah that's not so helpful

voretaq7

Rockefeller Drug Laws

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MarkM

14:20

rm -rf

su -

ls

voretaq7

@SpacemanSpiff Smaller fonts take up less bandwidth dontchya know

MarkM

exit

SpacemanSpiff

ok, i'll join in what are ya'll doing

rm -rf

LOL!

voretaq7

rm -rf
sudo make me a sammich

:-)

MarkM

haha

Holocryptic

14:20

@ChrisS I feel like I need to keep a high powered magnet with me wherever I go

SpacemanSpiff

@voretaq7 I have that t-shirt :)

voretaq7

@SpacemanSpiff I have it taped to our development rack

Zypher

THE CLOUD IS BROKEN

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Dave Drager

Any my startup looked at me suspiciously when I told them it isn't always good to put your stuff "in the cloud"

MarkM

I'm scared shitless of infrastructure that I rely on that isn't in my immediate control. Which is why I don't have any infrastructure like that.

SpacemanSpiff

14:29

Yeah.... we're getting ready to cloudify ourselves

and I keep insisting that some services be outside.

MarkM

@SpacemanSpiff Buy diapers.

Dave Drager

Mark: Do you think it is because we're super-smart, or just control freaks?

MarkM

@DaveDrager I'd like to think that it's the first one, but realistically, it's probably 99% the second one.

Dave Drager

Also, we are deploying our own cloud, so... best of both worlds.

haha

SpacemanSpiff

The want us to be the our first customer, eat or own dog food. My attitude is fuck that, setup a lab!

MarkM

14:31

I don't have a problem with clouds in general (except for the term cloud), I have a problem with business critical systems not being under my immediate control from start to finish. Though, I'm in a different boat than the people at Reddit, etc.

Dave Drager

I'm pumped because they are running fiber to next door so I should soon have a 10G connection, shared by just a few employees until we get our datacenter turned up.

MarkM

...lucky bastard. I thought I had it good when I found out I'd be on a 500Mb pipe with 2-3 other people for a week before the big cutover to our new provider.

Dave Drager

But sad because they don't really make 10G network cards for desktops.

lol

Zypher

@DaveDrager Both ... really althugh we are really good BECAUSE we are control freaks IMNSHO

Dave Drager

Mark, I'm hoping to break the speedtest.net top wave... we'll see how it goes.

Holocryptic

14:33

@ChrisS I have one better wired.com/threatlevel/2011/04/scotus-gps-monitoring/#

Dave Drager

Well I kind of had a discussion with the people here, they want to control their own email & calendar servers, when I mentioned why not just use Google apps because it is simpler it was like I asked if the Pope was Catholic!

Chris S

@Holocryptic Yep. That's better than mine, though it's still just a request.

Dave Drager

@Holocryptic I followed that story from the beginning, its awesome that it happened to a redditor!

Honestly I'm not sure what the hullabaloo is about a tracking file on the iPhone, the government can already request that same information from your cell phone provider.

SpacemanSpiff

I had my first exposure to 10Gb ethernet this past week, was quite happy with it

Dave Drager

Nice.

Holocryptic

14:37

@DaveDrager True, but there's a difference between getting it from you off the street with no probable cause, and getting a warrant where you have to prove probable cause

Dave Drager

And to make it feel even faster, we've been muddling along with Clear for the past month or so, getting < 1mbit

Who's getting it off the street from me? The only thing I would be worried about is that if I install some rogue program that downloads and shares that file.

Chris S

@Holocryptic If the SCOTUS was to approve that, there's no reason the government couldn't require that all vehicles have a GPS tracker on them if you use public roads... Would that be a data mine for the "police".

Holocryptic

@DaveDrager ah, see Chris' earlier linked article

@ChrisS They're already inching towards that, from what I've heard (the government, not SCOTUS)

Or am I thinking of the backup cameras? Shit, I can't keep track of all the stuff the .gov is mandating these days

Chris S

It's too much... We aren't any safer than we were, yet we've given up a thousand civil liberties already. It really makes me mad that people are so stupid as to go along with these things; especially the "nothing bad has happened since we did xyz, so it must be the solution" (like the TSA for one glaring example).

Holocryptic

@ChrisS You are so speaking my language right now

DanBig

14:44

I read a tweet the other day, something about how we are spending trillions on defense and homeland sec, yet they are cutting the budget to NOAA when more people died in the crazy storms last week than terrorists since 9/11

Dave Drager

I think we can all agree that the priorities of the US Government are a bit backwards.

Holocryptic

Backwards doesn't even come close to describing it. More like self mutilation.

SpacemanSpiff

Yeah, I generally don't like to talk about any other potential money-sucking issues until we end the wars and international involvements, they're the largest drain there is

Chris S

@DanBig More people are murdered in Detroit (that just one city) than all the people killed by Terrorist (as defined by the US gov, including our soldiers and civilian of any country) each year. (This is according to a report I read, and am looking for the link).

DanBig

Also, what about when they chopped the police force in Camden by 2/3, if that doesn't make you scratch your head, I dont know what will.

Holocryptic

14:49

@DanBig clearly the highest income earners in that area are not paying their fair share, and higher taxes should be levied.

SpacemanSpiff

Oh JunOS... let us see if I can jump 4 releases without destroying a bootloader...

Dave Drager

@Holocryptic I don't think it is that bad... the U.S. Government, who is made up of U.S. Citizens, generally are trying to do the right thing. They are just being mislead from various areas and IMHO are incorrect in their priorities.

@DanBig Don't worry, the Hells Angels have arrived in Camden to keep order ;)

Holocryptic

@DaveDrager I'll give you it's not as bad as it could be, but I think a lot (read: most) of the law makers up there are not in touch with reality. They're focused on their pet projects in order to retain power, not help actually get the country through the fiscal crisis.

If they would just stop touching everything, then maybe things could settle down

It's not a bull in a china shop. It's a gaggle of retarded monkeys in a china shop.

Chris S

@DaveDrager While the bulk of the government is made up of average citizens; the leaders are not, they are primarily charismatic individuals who are used to getting what they want, and will inevitably demand more; see pretty girl syndrome.

Holocryptic

Although that Kristi Noem is pretty damn good looking

Ha!

Dave Drager

14:56

The problem is that they are elected vy popular vote and you just can't please everyone. Therefore the spend time fighting fires instead of longer strategic goals.

SpacemanSpiff

I like pretty girls

Dave Drager

@Holocryptic But then you have people complaining about gas prices and they need to DO SOMETHING, DO ANYTHING TO HELP GAS PRICES

Either way they lose, and we lose in turn.

Everyone wants the government to be hands off until it is something that effects them personally.

Holocryptic

@DaveDrager True to some degree. Except they're the reason gas prices are going up. Inflation and stupid energy policies at home

When we can send billion of dollars to Brazil to develop their oil drilling so we can buy from them, while not developing our own resources, that just screams stupid to me.

Chris S

I think a large part of the problem is that the government has gotten into the business of insuring the wellbeing of some people's lives; and if you're going to do it for some, the rest are going to want their share too. If the government stopped giving handouts then nobody would expect one.

Holocryptic

And I'm still on the fence as to whether it really is stupid, or nefarious. Or just nefariously stupid.

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