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Iain
Iain
7:08 AM
G'day
 
Nel
Nel
Hello
 
Chopper3
Chopper3
7:50 AM
hi
 
Chopper3
Chopper3
8:33 AM
I've just had to approve a bloody advert, ffs, what has my life come to :(
 
Tom O'Connor
Tom O'Connor
8:50 AM
hey
@Chopper3 you deal with lots of VMware stuff.. and also lots of HP stuff.
Are most (or all) HP DL range proliants certified for VMware usage?
 
Robert Moir
Robert Moir
approving an advert? oh my!
 
Chopper3
Chopper3
we very rarely use DL's to be honest, >98% of our kit is BL460c's and BL680c's - the only reason we use DLs is for things like HSMs - that said I'm almost 100% sure all DL 3/5/9xx's are ESX/ESXi certified, I have HP people within 10 foot of me for checking this sort of thing if you have a specific question
good spam find early Robert
I hate how the SE sites round-up your rep to the nearest 100, makes me feel like a fraud half of the time
 
Tom O'Connor
Tom O'Connor
9:06 AM
@Chopper3 basically was wondering about ESXi performance on DL1xx series
 
Chopper3
Chopper3
notice I left out the 1xx's :) I don't know them AT ALL - that said I'm sure they'll be fine, no fan of the Bxxx-range of disk controllers, stick to a Pxx series :)
just checked, apparently the only DL that doesn't expressly state ESX/ESXi full support is the DL120 G6, not that it doesn't work, they've just not put it through the certification, the G7 is good though
 
Tom O'Connor
Tom O'Connor
ok
i'll just use that as enough leverage to get a 380
 
Paul McCowat
Paul McCowat
9:24 AM
I'm spec'ing an off-site backup server for hyper-v vms. If I install Server '08 enterprise for 4 guest Hyper-V VM's, is one processor enough?
 
Iain
Iain
@PaulMcCowat I don't think anyone here atm is a hyper-v specialist, you're better off asking a question on the main SF site
 
Paul McCowat
Paul McCowat
thanks @Iain, will do.
 
Tom O'Connor
Tom O'Connor
Every time i see vms mentioned like that, i think OpenVMS
 
Paul McCowat
Paul McCowat
Should have been VM's
 
Iain
Iain
@TomOConnor ditto - I remember it well
 
Tom O'Connor
Tom O'Connor
9:43 AM
bit.ly/ih35SA Looks like this is the HP / Vmware hardware guide
 
Iain
Iain
@TomOConnor I find the basic search easier if you have a model number
 
Tom O'Connor
Tom O'Connor
I don't. I'm more trying to figure out what to buy, before I buy it.
 
Cakemox
Cakemox
w00t! scored a stand-up desk for the office.
 
Tom O'Connor
Tom O'Connor
cool
 
Cakemox
Cakemox
now i can work on eliminating my slouch :)
 
Tom O'Connor
Tom O'Connor
9:47 AM
I have one of thsoe
but sadly my hdmi leads are too short for me to use it
 
Cakemox
Cakemox
Hmmm, yeah, I might have to do some re-arranging.
 
Chopper3
Chopper3
@TomOConnor sorry, was away, yes, get a 380, best selling server in the world - does everything very well - I'll check your kit-list if you like
@PaulMcCowat It depends on the processor of course, C2D - no, E7-8k - yes :)
 
Paul McCowat
Paul McCowat
10:15 AM
@Chopper3, we have currently have 2 x E5520's with 4 VM's seeing one processor, I'd like to have this setup but with one processor on the backup server
 
Chopper3
Chopper3
@PaulMcCowat well in that case something like a single E5645 should do fine, or an L5640 or a W3670 - all would be fine
this is going to make me look stupid but is the a SE site that would be good for asking an odd excel question?
 
SmallClanger
SmallClanger
11:09 AM
Doesn't SU cover Office related questions?
 
Chopper3
Chopper3
Dunno, I'll ask, thanks
 
Paul McCowat
Paul McCowat
11:29 AM
@Chopper3 what's your Excel question? Also, Dell are offering i3-550. L3406/26 X3430, 3440, 3450, 3470, 3480 for the rack server I was looking at and for the tower - E5503/6/7 E5620/30/40 X5650/60 X5660. I wanted to get the cheapest I could get away with.
 
Chopper3
Chopper3
SU had my solution - good lads!
@PaulMcCowat Perhaps buy the cheapest machine that you can upgrade to a 6-core :)
 
Robert Moir
Robert Moir
I'm running a special tomorrow - 10 answers for the price of one. (Sadly, all the answers will be "Install OS/2 and Lotus notes" regardless of the question, but still...)
 
Ben Pilbrow
Ben Pilbrow
I'm running a special today. Rant about posters and tell them not to do what they're asking for :-)
 
Robert Moir
Robert Moir
say thats a pretty good offer
 
Ben Pilbrow
Ben Pilbrow
You remember that SIS dude from yesterday? I've just posted a sizey wall of text basically telling him to not be so stupid. I tossed up several times whether to post it or not, but I really felt it needed to be said.
 
Robert Moir
Robert Moir
11:43 AM
fair enough
agree with all you said there
 
Ben Pilbrow
Ben Pilbrow
and as we suspected yesterday, it is disk space issues. sigh just say that for crying out loud!
 
Robert Moir
Robert Moir
its the usual passive aggressive response of trying to build a case for someone's crazy solution by only describing half the problem
 
Ben Pilbrow
Ben Pilbrow
Anway, I'm a bit calmer now I've got that off my chest :P Time for some lunch methings
 
Robert Moir
Robert Moir
just left a comment on your reply
have a nice lunch
 
DanBig
DanBig
11:58 AM
@BenPilbrow, which question was it?
 
jscott
jscott
1
A: Please recommend a good mail server that compacts storage by use of hashing or other means?

Ben PilbrowI originally held off answering this question, but I feel I have to share my opinion, even though it may not be the most popular. For a start though, it irks me a little that you have come to Server Fault after an "answer" and subsequently reveal you are not an admin and presumably can't even mak...

 
Chopper3
Chopper3
12:38 PM
wow - it's been a while since I got downvoted twice :) I genuinely don't see the point of why people would downvote anyone over 10k rep, it doesn't matter in any way
 
Robert Moir
Robert Moir
the one thing thats always been a problem with support things like this is that people often vote for what they want to hear, not the truth
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Chopper3
Chopper3
great, so one of them's gone off and downvoted an entirely unrelated answer - ah well
 
Robert Moir
Robert Moir
people just take things too personally... or was it a snarky reply?
 
SmallClanger
SmallClanger
We need a variation on the penny arcade t-shirt: "I wish I could downvote you to death!"
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Robert Moir
Robert Moir
heh
 
Chopper3
Chopper3
12:53 PM
actually the opposite Robert; serverfault.com/questions/262130/…
 
Bart Silverstrim
Bart Silverstrim
Hi @Chopper3. How's it going on your side of the planet?
 
DanBig
DanBig
I gave you an upboat
 
Chopper3
Chopper3
cheers dude
 
Robert Moir
Robert Moir
nothing wrong with that. I've had far more sarcastic stuff voted as an accepted answer
+1
 
Chopper3
Chopper3
fine thanks Bart, had to spend half the day explaining to our offshore test team why snapshots slow VMs down and why when you have fricking dozens of them they'll take quite a long time to unwind - so a bit dull to be honest - long weekend coming up though so I don't care that much
 
Bart Silverstrim
Bart Silverstrim
12:55 PM
They actually listened to the technical explanation?
That question...sounds like others already said that Amazon is having some issue, it's an I/O problem, so that's why the load is high but the CPU usage didn't look bad to me. shrug
Unless it's killing his performance with the actual site I'd just wait and see what's happening.
See if it goes away.
One of the bonuses to Yay! Cloud!
 
Robert Moir
Robert Moir
hooray for long weekends
 
Chopper3
Chopper3
Plus they added that actual detail after my laconic answer
 
Robert Moir
Robert Moir
its pretty quiet here, we had a lot to do but got it all done so now its alllllllllll good
 
Joseph
Joseph
I want to add a bounty to my question but I can't find any button or anything... am I blind?
 
Chopper3
Chopper3
@DanBig Liked your but-a-new-psu answer btw :)
 
Bart Silverstrim
Bart Silverstrim
1:00 PM
I've got two primary tasks to complete then enjoy the silence...unless something blows up.
Hmm...someone's in a kindergarten room.
 
Chopper3
Chopper3
what question?
 
Bart Silverstrim
Bart Silverstrim
Must be the teacher turning the eggs in the incubator.
 
Chopper3
Chopper3
the w7 one?
 
Ben Pilbrow
Ben Pilbrow
@Joseph it does have to be a few days old, that's about the only restriction
 
DanBig
DanBig
@Chopper3, i would think the new PSU would be the first option. Unless that box is just a dinosaur file server, and the OS wasn't anything like Exchange
 
SmallClanger
SmallClanger
1:02 PM
@Chopper3: It might be me, but isn't that VM guy describing a load avg of 6, rather than 6% utilisation?
 
Bart Silverstrim
Bart Silverstrim
That's what it looked like to me.
It's not CPU it's system load.
 
Joseph
Joseph
@BenPilbrow Ah, that would be it. Thanks!
 
Bart Silverstrim
Bart Silverstrim
Which is normally I/O. I don't know why one comment would say zombie processes could do it.
 
Chopper3
Chopper3
@Joseph actually that's going to get closed before you get to add a bounty - it's very SU focussed
 
SmallClanger
SmallClanger
@BartSilverstrim: True. It's only R/D processes that count toward load.
 
Joseph
Joseph
1:03 PM
@Chopper3 Imaging and Group Policy is more SU focussed?
 
Chopper3
Chopper3
ah, thought you meant the w7 driver q
that was an answer, not a q - doh, I'm slow today
oh it was that question, I just didn't read it properly - wow, am I on easter vacation already or what
 
SmallClanger
SmallClanger
@Joseph: Is it a PCI card?
 
Joseph
Joseph
@SmallClanger it's a Logitech bt dongle
 
SmallClanger
SmallClanger
Ah. I was thinking you might be able to add the hardware ID to the relevant INF file. It's a bit of a hacky solution, though.
 
Joseph
Joseph
I've been investigating that route but it's been confusing what needs to be changed in the inf file so far
 
SmallClanger
SmallClanger
1:11 PM
I've done something similar with laptop video card drivers, but used the PCI vendor/device IDs. Not sure how you'd do it with USB.
 
Joseph
Joseph
it has vendor/device IDs
it's just weird trying to get a built-in driver to install in Windows
oh, well... I'll wait and see what kind of answers I get while I continue to tinker. Thanks for the advice.
 
SpacemanSpiff
SpacemanSpiff
anyone else immerse in Vmware vCloud hell? :D
 
Chopper3
Chopper3
1:28 PM
what bit
 
SpacemanSpiff
SpacemanSpiff
ah.. mostly just keeping the networking straight
confusing, so many vlans :O
 
Chopper3
Chopper3
I'd suggest using host profiles rather than distributed switches, at least until they're rock-solid anyway
plus try to keep the number of vswitches down and use fewer faster trunk uplinks
SO tempted to answer this question; serverfault.com/questions/261753/setting-up-zookeeper with a link to this; pc.kiteretsu.jp/games/zka/zka.htm
 
Holocryptic
Holocryptic
oooo, Amazon went down? Good thing we have DR in the cloud... Oh, wait...
@Chopper3 that's funny
 
SmallClanger
SmallClanger
1:45 PM
What happened to AWS, anyway? I'm not seeing anything on their status page
 
Holocryptic
Holocryptic
 
Chopper3
Chopper3
@SmallClanger someone did an rm -r /
 
Dave Drager
Dave Drager
I'm still not sure what I think of "Cloud" services.
 
SpacemanSpiff
SpacemanSpiff
troubleshooting iSCSI replication over VPN tunnels this morning... blah!
 
Chopper3
Chopper3
I was just about to make a smart comment involving the 'arr emm minus arr' command and when I pressed enter I went to a command shell - is that a little SE easter egg?
@SpacemanSpiff joy
 
Chris S
Chris S
1:49 PM
@Chopper3 You don't know about the easter eggs?
 
SpacemanSpiff
SpacemanSpiff
I'm wondering if the the tunnel needs to be tweaked for MTU here
 
Holocryptic
Holocryptic
rm -r
 
SpacemanSpiff
SpacemanSpiff
seeing timeouts, but only at the iSCSI protocol, no dropped packets or anything
 
Holocryptic
Holocryptic
Ha, thats pretty cool
Are there other easter eggs?
 
Chopper3
Chopper3
yeah, bit scary when you're not expecting it
 
Chris S
Chris S
1:51 PM
rm -r and del /s C: (or something like that)
For SF styled rooms. Each style of room has a different easter egg.
 
Chopper3
Chopper3
yeah, if you randomly mash your openID password you can log in with a password of 'Mr Snuggles'
weird
lt pipes everything you type
to here
 
Scott Pack
Scott Pack
@Chopper3 How did you get my password?!?
 
Holocryptic
Holocryptic
Pretty cool
 
Robert Moir
Robert Moir
hunter2
nope, doesn't do anything with my password
 
DanBig
DanBig
rm -r
 
Robert Moir
Robert Moir
1:55 PM
rm -rf
 
DanBig
DanBig
I've never had the easter eggs do anything
 
Robert Moir
Robert Moir
rm * -rf
 
SmallClanger
SmallClanger
del /s c:
 
Holocryptic
Holocryptic
so if we go to the gaming chat room and type up up down down left right left right a b b a we'll get mod status or something?
 
MarkM
MarkM
No, you can just get killed 98 times and still be OK.
 
Holocryptic
Holocryptic
1:58 PM
haha
 
SmallClanger
SmallClanger
@Holocryptic: Try: 'xyzzy'
 
Holocryptic
Holocryptic
@SmallClanger for the gaming room?
 
Robert Moir
Robert Moir
try asking for delicious cake. I'm sure they haven't heard that before.
 
SmallClanger
SmallClanger
Only a guess. Not likely to work. :)
 
Robert Moir
Robert Moir
then rebecca black roll them
3
 
Holocryptic
Holocryptic
2:00 PM
A Rebroll?
 
Scott Pack
Scott Pack
@Holocryptic That makes me hungry. Mm...a home made buttermilk Rebroll.
 
Holocryptic
Holocryptic
delicious
 
Ben Pilbrow
Ben Pilbrow
 
Scott Pack
Scott Pack
@BenPilbrow In some parts that there's called Mountain Oysters
 
Holocryptic
Holocryptic
How do you even let that happen?!
 
MarkM
MarkM
2:06 PM
@BenPilbrow I read "She was granted bail." as "She was granted ball." I think I need to go home.
3
 
Holocryptic
Holocryptic
"I'm just gonna have a little nibble...." "AAAAAHHHHHHHHH too much, too much!!!"
 
Ben Pilbrow
Ben Pilbrow
I don't really want to think about it too much. Makes me cringe
@MarkM I don't know if she was granted ball, but it certainly seems like she took it anyway :P
 
Chris S
Chris S
Anybody else look at the latest XKCD and immediately notice that there are several shapes that aren't from the game?
 
Holocryptic
Holocryptic
@ChrisS If you're talking about some of the cruft at the bottom, that could be from earlier line outs where the stack dropped
 
SpacemanSpiff
SpacemanSpiff
:: shakes fist :: damn you equallogic firmware bugs!!!
 
Robert Moir
Robert Moir
2:14 PM
i knew there was a reason i let other people upgrade their equallogic boxes first
 
Holocryptic
Holocryptic
@voretaq7 I despair for your state stamfordadvocate.com/news/article/…
 
SpacemanSpiff
SpacemanSpiff
oh, i stay a revision behind usually, but damn...
 
Holocryptic
Holocryptic
@SpacemanSpiff @RobertMoir You know, that's kind of funny. I hear that a lot which gets me thinking, who are the poor saps that run it day 1?
 
SpacemanSpiff
SpacemanSpiff
Heh
 
Chris S
Chris S
@Holocryptic I'll see your pointless law and up you a privacy violation: thenewspaper.com/news/34/3458.asp
 
Robert Moir
Robert Moir
2:17 PM
not me! I learnt a long time ago not to be too quick to upgrade firmware on anything
 
SpacemanSpiff
SpacemanSpiff
Ah, I'm just getting frustrated, I can ping end to end at 10ms, but get iSCSI timeouts, I don't get it.
@RobertMoir Yeah but I love when support refuses to do anything if you're not on the latest, even though the only fix in the log between your version and that one is "we changed the font on the interface".
 
Dave Drager
Dave Drager
rm -rf
ls
exit
quit
Niiiiceee
 
voretaq7
voretaq7
@Holocryptic We've done worse.
 
Robert Moir
Robert Moir
yeah that's not so helpful
 
voretaq7
voretaq7
Rockefeller Drug Laws
The Rockefeller Drug Laws is the term used to denote the statutes dealing with the sale and possession of "narcotic" drugs in the New York State Penal Law. The laws are named after Nelson Rockefeller, who was the state's governor at the time the laws were adopted. Rockefeller, a staunch supporter of the bill containing the laws, signed it on May 8, 1973. Under the Rockefeller drug laws, the penalty for selling two ounces (approximately 56 grams) or more of heroin, morphine, "raw or prepared opium," cocaine, or cannabis or possessing four ounces (approximately 113 grams) or more of the same...
 
MarkM
MarkM
2:20 PM
rm -rf
su -
ls
 
voretaq7
voretaq7
@SpacemanSpiff Smaller fonts take up less bandwidth dontchya know
 
MarkM
MarkM
exit
 
SpacemanSpiff
SpacemanSpiff
ok, i'll join in what are ya'll doing
rm -rf
LOL!
 
voretaq7
voretaq7
rm -rf
sudo make me a sammich
:-)
 
MarkM
MarkM
haha
 
Holocryptic
Holocryptic
2:20 PM
@ChrisS I feel like I need to keep a high powered magnet with me wherever I go
 
SpacemanSpiff
SpacemanSpiff
@voretaq7 I have that t-shirt :)
 
voretaq7
voretaq7
@SpacemanSpiff I have it taped to our development rack
 
Zypher
Zypher
THE CLOUD IS BROKEN
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Dave Drager
Dave Drager
Any my startup looked at me suspiciously when I told them it isn't always good to put your stuff "in the cloud"
 
MarkM
MarkM
I'm scared shitless of infrastructure that I rely on that isn't in my immediate control. Which is why I don't have any infrastructure like that.
 
SpacemanSpiff
SpacemanSpiff
2:29 PM
Yeah.... we're getting ready to cloudify ourselves
and I keep insisting that some services be outside.
 
MarkM
MarkM
@SpacemanSpiff Buy diapers.
 
Dave Drager
Dave Drager
Mark: Do you think it is because we're super-smart, or just control freaks?
 
MarkM
MarkM
@DaveDrager I'd like to think that it's the first one, but realistically, it's probably 99% the second one.
 
Dave Drager
Dave Drager
Also, we are deploying our own cloud, so... best of both worlds.
haha
 
SpacemanSpiff
SpacemanSpiff
The want us to be the our first customer, eat or own dog food. My attitude is fuck that, setup a lab!
 
MarkM
MarkM
2:31 PM
I don't have a problem with clouds in general (except for the term cloud), I have a problem with business critical systems not being under my immediate control from start to finish. Though, I'm in a different boat than the people at Reddit, etc.
 
Dave Drager
Dave Drager
I'm pumped because they are running fiber to next door so I should soon have a 10G connection, shared by just a few employees until we get our datacenter turned up.
 
MarkM
MarkM
...lucky bastard. I thought I had it good when I found out I'd be on a 500Mb pipe with 2-3 other people for a week before the big cutover to our new provider.
 
Dave Drager
Dave Drager
But sad because they don't really make 10G network cards for desktops.
lol
 
Zypher
Zypher
@DaveDrager Both ... really althugh we are really good BECAUSE we are control freaks IMNSHO
 
Dave Drager
Dave Drager
Mark, I'm hoping to break the speedtest.net top wave... we'll see how it goes.
 
Holocryptic
Holocryptic
2:33 PM
 
Dave Drager
Dave Drager
Well I kind of had a discussion with the people here, they want to control their own email & calendar servers, when I mentioned why not just use Google apps because it is simpler it was like I asked if the Pope was Catholic!
 
Chris S
Chris S
@Holocryptic Yep. That's better than mine, though it's still just a request.
 
Dave Drager
Dave Drager
@Holocryptic I followed that story from the beginning, its awesome that it happened to a redditor!
Honestly I'm not sure what the hullabaloo is about a tracking file on the iPhone, the government can already request that same information from your cell phone provider.
 
SpacemanSpiff
SpacemanSpiff
I had my first exposure to 10Gb ethernet this past week, was quite happy with it
 
Dave Drager
Dave Drager
Nice.
 
Holocryptic
Holocryptic
2:37 PM
@DaveDrager True, but there's a difference between getting it from you off the street with no probable cause, and getting a warrant where you have to prove probable cause
 
Dave Drager
Dave Drager
And to make it feel even faster, we've been muddling along with Clear for the past month or so, getting < 1mbit
Who's getting it off the street from me? The only thing I would be worried about is that if I install some rogue program that downloads and shares that file.
 
Chris S
Chris S
@Holocryptic If the SCOTUS was to approve that, there's no reason the government couldn't require that all vehicles have a GPS tracker on them if you use public roads... Would that be a data mine for the "police".
 
Holocryptic
Holocryptic
@DaveDrager ah, see Chris' earlier linked article
@ChrisS They're already inching towards that, from what I've heard (the government, not SCOTUS)
Or am I thinking of the backup cameras? Shit, I can't keep track of all the stuff the .gov is mandating these days
 
Chris S
Chris S
It's too much... We aren't any safer than we were, yet we've given up a thousand civil liberties already. It really makes me mad that people are so stupid as to go along with these things; especially the "nothing bad has happened since we did xyz, so it must be the solution" (like the TSA for one glaring example).
 
Holocryptic
Holocryptic
@ChrisS You are so speaking my language right now
 
DanBig
DanBig
2:44 PM
I read a tweet the other day, something about how we are spending trillions on defense and homeland sec, yet they are cutting the budget to NOAA when more people died in the crazy storms last week than terrorists since 9/11
 
Dave Drager
Dave Drager
I think we can all agree that the priorities of the US Government are a bit backwards.
 
Holocryptic
Holocryptic
Backwards doesn't even come close to describing it. More like self mutilation.
 
SpacemanSpiff
SpacemanSpiff
Yeah, I generally don't like to talk about any other potential money-sucking issues until we end the wars and international involvements, they're the largest drain there is
 
Chris S
Chris S
@DanBig More people are murdered in Detroit (that just one city) than all the people killed by Terrorist (as defined by the US gov, including our soldiers and civilian of any country) each year. (This is according to a report I read, and am looking for the link).
 
DanBig
DanBig
Also, what about when they chopped the police force in Camden by 2/3, if that doesn't make you scratch your head, I dont know what will.
 
Holocryptic
Holocryptic
2:49 PM
@DanBig clearly the highest income earners in that area are not paying their fair share, and higher taxes should be levied.
 
SpacemanSpiff
SpacemanSpiff
Oh JunOS... let us see if I can jump 4 releases without destroying a bootloader...
 
Dave Drager
Dave Drager
@Holocryptic I don't think it is that bad... the U.S. Government, who is made up of U.S. Citizens, generally are trying to do the right thing. They are just being mislead from various areas and IMHO are incorrect in their priorities.
@DanBig Don't worry, the Hells Angels have arrived in Camden to keep order ;)
 
Holocryptic
Holocryptic
@DaveDrager I'll give you it's not as bad as it could be, but I think a lot (read: most) of the law makers up there are not in touch with reality. They're focused on their pet projects in order to retain power, not help actually get the country through the fiscal crisis.
If they would just stop touching everything, then maybe things could settle down
It's not a bull in a china shop. It's a gaggle of retarded monkeys in a china shop.
 
Chris S
Chris S
@DaveDrager While the bulk of the government is made up of average citizens; the leaders are not, they are primarily charismatic individuals who are used to getting what they want, and will inevitably demand more; see pretty girl syndrome.
 
Holocryptic
Holocryptic
Although that Kristi Noem is pretty damn good looking
Ha!
 
Dave Drager
Dave Drager
2:56 PM
The problem is that they are elected vy popular vote and you just can't please everyone. Therefore the spend time fighting fires instead of longer strategic goals.
 
SpacemanSpiff
SpacemanSpiff
I like pretty girls
 
Dave Drager
Dave Drager
@Holocryptic But then you have people complaining about gas prices and they need to DO SOMETHING, DO ANYTHING TO HELP GAS PRICES
Either way they lose, and we lose in turn.
Everyone wants the government to be hands off until it is something that effects them personally.
 
Holocryptic
Holocryptic
@DaveDrager True to some degree. Except they're the reason gas prices are going up. Inflation and stupid energy policies at home
When we can send billion of dollars to Brazil to develop their oil drilling so we can buy from them, while not developing our own resources, that just screams stupid to me.
 
Chris S
Chris S
I think a large part of the problem is that the government has gotten into the business of insuring the wellbeing of some people's lives; and if you're going to do it for some, the rest are going to want their share too. If the government stopped giving handouts then nobody would expect one.
 
Holocryptic
Holocryptic
And I'm still on the fence as to whether it really is stupid, or nefarious. Or just nefariously stupid.
 
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