Charcoal HQ

iBug

6:00 AM

It's nothing more than another regular email.

<QQ Number>@qq.com

tripleee

absolutely, just harder to pad or modify than e.g. a gmail address (what with rand.om.periods.anyw.here@gmail.com etc)

iBug

I think it's even easier to pad.

[0-9]{,11}@qq\.com is all you need.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in answer: What is the exact difference between Hadoop and Cloud Computing? by manoharparakh on stackoverflow.com (@quartata @iBug @TetsuyaYamamoto)

tpu- by Tetsuya Yamamoto

tripleee

@iBug I've added the Reviewer role for you; core I think I would like to see if you get seconds for, I'm not at all opposed but you are still relatively new here

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, bad NS for domain in body, bad NS for domain in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, +6 more: wellnesssupplement.com/progentra/ by blancheconsine on meta.SE (@iBug @TetsuyaYamamoto)

iBug

6:07 AM

@tripleee OK I understand.

SmokeDetector

tpu- by Tetsuya Yamamoto

tripleee

@iBug I mean you can create variations of a gmail address easily by padding it with insignificant dots but I have never seen that in a QQ address, do they have that too? if it works as a reasonably accurate unique identifier then it's useful signal

iBug

@tripleee In fact QQ mail allows such patterns but people rarely know it, let alone utilizing it.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body: It is absolutely secure, and works for guys no matter age? by kristenjones542 on askubuntu.com (@ThomasWard @quartata @TetsuyaYamamoto)

tpu- by Tetsuya Yamamoto

tripleee

@SmokeDetector k

iBug

6:11 AM

@SmokeDetector How does this message show up?

Suraj Rao

@iBug using FIRE Feedback Instantly, Rapidly, Effortlessly

MS link will show how user gave feedback if you hover over check mark/cross mark

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in body, bad NS for domain in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, +3 more: weightloss-spot.com/titan-blast/ by Thionus1970 on askubuntu.com (@ThomasWard @quartata @TetsuyaYamamoto)

tpu- by Tetsuya Yamamoto

iBug

Do we give feedback for "good reason hit" or "post should be flagged with red"?

There are a few FPs on posts that can be fixed but is a really good catch of the reason.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in body, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, +1 more: blast Max is a titan blast made inaccurate by Cenry adsy on drupal.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL-only title, bad NS for domain in body, bad NS for domain in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, +6 more: healthpurelives.com/primal-xl/ by starmax on askubuntu.com (@ThomasWard @quartata @TetsuyaYamamoto)

tpu- by Tetsuya Yamamoto on blast Max is a titan blast made inaccurate [MS]

tpu- by Tetsuya Yamamoto

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in body, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, bad keyword in username, blacklisted website in body, +2 more: Vexan Male Enhancement by Vexan Male Enhancement on graphicdesign.SE (@TetsuyaYamamoto)

Suraj Rao

sd k

SmokeDetector

6:20 AM

tpu- by Tetsuya Yamamoto

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title, pattern-matching website in body, +1 more: alphajackedhelp.com/alpha-xr/ by ywefdve on graphicdesign.SE (@TetsuyaYamamoto)

tpu- by Tetsuya Yamamoto

micsthepick

sd k

Tech

Hi SmokeDetector maintainers

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer, mostly non-Latin answer: Reading a huge number of analog sensors in real time by liuliying on electronics.SE

micsthepick

!!/test $9.99

SmokeDetector

> Numbers-only title
----------
Title - Position 1-6: $9.99

Tetsuya Yamamoto

6:29 AM

@SmokeDetector k

micsthepick

that does not look all that bad

(if all you read is the chinese)

PeterJ

It doesn't answer the question even remotely, which isn't related to PCBs

Tech

1) https://github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/pull/1064
2) https://github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/blob/master/blacklisted_websites.txt
3) https://github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/pull/1024
4) https://github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/commit/5e8df999d2b45451f6d8c514d501b8914ced23ba
5) https://github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/commit/48cab183a5ffd97a9d4420d87228847f0d89b275
6) https://github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/commit/3b4fe425f8c05b68f7fce9d620cd06af6e1190f7

on these URLs I see Webline India .com as blacklisted. I am not sure why it is there. Can you please remove…

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title, pattern-matching website in body, +1 more: advancemenpower.com/edge-test-booster/ by juliaulton on astronomy.SE

Tetsuya Yamamoto

@SmokeDetector k

SmokeDetector

6:32 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL-only title, bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title, link at end of body, +3 more: yoursbetterhealthsolutions.com/no2-x-720/ by ElainaCrites on askubuntu.com (@ThomasWard @quartata @TetsuyaYamamoto)

micsthepick

@SmokeDetector k

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, +2 more: What is muscle nit xt? by rucktril smith on askubuntu.com (@ThomasWard @quartata @TetsuyaYamamoto)

tpu- by Tetsuya Yamamoto

tripleee

@SmokeDetector k

micsthepick

@SmokeDetector k

Tetsuya Yamamoto

@micsthepick The Chinese text said something like this: "20 ms can be used, but less is much better. In any cases there's more delay" - unrelated with Q context.

tripleee

6:34 AM

@Tech the first link explains who blacklisted it and why. If you can explain how we can be sure this site will no longer occur in spam, we will be more than happy to remove it, and thank you for your effort

micsthepick

"The measurement needs to be real-time-y enough to detect hammer-ons etc. (no idea how high the sample rate needs to be...)"

Tech

@tripleee Firstly I am not sure how it is considered as a spam and on what parameters ?

tripleee

we have 9 spam samples over a span of a couple of months starting 5 months ago, the metasmoke search link in the first question lets you see them

Tech

@tripleee Metasmoke search link says -- {"error":"Unauthenticated users cannot use regex search"}

tripleee

we blacklist a site when we see repeated off-topic promotions linking to it

@Tech oh sorry, try this metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/…

Tech

6:38 AM

@tripleee same error message {"error":"Unauthenticated users cannot use regex search"}

tripleee

huh, weird? Anyway, here: 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9

hope I managed to copy/paste correctly ...

micsthepick

are you logged in to MS?

Suraj Rao

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, repeated URL at end of long post: Bio Derm RX : Get Back your Beauty by Bio Derm RX on webapps.SE

tripleee

@micsthepick almost certainly no if this is a casual visitor

SmokeDetector

6:41 AM

tpu- by Tetsuya Yamamoto

micsthepick

@SmokeDetector k

tripleee

requiring login would be inconvenient, I'll have too look into that

Suraj Rao

technically the first fp was because it was the first one caught.. think that too is spam IMO

tripleee

for the record, "blacklisted" here means "the bot we run will post an alert in this room when we see this domain name in new or edited posts"

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, bad NS for domain in body, bad NS for domain in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, +5 more: healthpurelives.com/primal-xl/ by tiana koch on astronomy.SE

tpu- by Tetsuya Yamamoto

tripleee

6:43 AM

@SurajRao good catch, yes, we probably want to change that to tp

@SmokeDetector ^ that's a good example, the bot sent an alert because healthpurelives.com is a domain we have seen in (lots of) spam before (though there are many other reasons too why that got flagged)

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in body, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, pattern-matching website in body: Testo SS Boost It has the recuperating by Sch Rchij on apple.SE

tpu- by Tetsuya Yamamoto

tripleee

@SmokeDetector k

Tech

@tripleee I am not sure why Webline India is being pulled into and put up on a site like Github where Webline India have not requested metasmoke or smokedetector to crawl our website. It effects the reputation. Request you to kindly remove Webline India from your database.

and also delete all the Github links linking to Webline India

tripleee

@Tech do you understand the context I have tried to provide in my previous comments? We do not need your permission to put the string weblineindia.com in our code, no more than Google needs your permission to index your site, or a visitor needs your permission to visit your site

but if you can show us that you have taken reasonable measures to prevent spammers from posting promotions to Stack Overflow and related sites, we can consider that evidence and perhaps decide to let you convince us

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in body, bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body: You are forced upon to drink jillion of water z by Sised19 00 on superuser.com (@TetsuyaYamamoto @iBug)

tripleee

6:49 AM

if you have an affiliate marketing program which encourages people to post links, changing the terms of that affiliate program to specifically discourage violating the policies of the sites they post those links to (with reasonably convincing repercussions for violations) that would be a very good way to try to convince us, but I am only speaking for myself at this point

SmokeDetector

tpu- by Tetsuya Yamamoto

tripleee

so in short, the inconvenience to your reputation is not unproportional to the inconvenience of us as users of Stack Overflow and the Stack Exchange network if the spamming continues and the spam posts not removed (and in fact, I would argue quite the opposite)

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, pattern-matching website in body, potentially bad keyword in body, potentially bad keyword in title: Muscle Nit Xt merits purchasing just when your specialist by Irvinledsoe on graphicdesign.SE

tpu- by Tetsuya Yamamoto

micsthepick

@SmokeDetector k

tripleee

it is entirely plausible that you have no idea why somebody is damaging us and you at the same time by spamming promotions which appear to ultimately be posted for your benefit, but then go after the spammers, not us other victims for taking defensive measures

A J

6:54 AM

@SmokeDetector k

tripleee

@Tech ^ can you please ack understanding of the previous? thanks

Tech

@tripleee There are no such spam links on stackoverflow or any such sites. If I see all the links provided by you earlier then there are no spam links on those. Kindly relook into this.

tripleee

are you unable to see the link to your site at metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/post/87072 for example?

Suraj Rao

^ in case you cant view the link..

Tech

I checked this - https://metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/post/87072
it is someone posting to defame us. If I see the stackoverflow the link available in your URL then there is no url linking back to Webline

tripleee

6:57 AM

3 mins ago, by tripleee

it is entirely plausible that you have no idea why somebody is damaging us and you at the same time by spamming promotions which appear to ultimately be posted for your benefit, but then go after the spammers, not us other victims for taking defensive measures

the post was removed as spam from Stack Overflow, for obvous reasons

if we remove the blacklisting then we will have a harder time finding and removing similar spam in the future

and that is also the sole purpose of the code you found on Github

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword with a link in answer, link at end of answer, pattern-matching website in answer: Using USB for transferring files (MTP or PTP) to phone or charging using USB by hd movie on android.SE (@iBug)

tpu- by Tetsuya Yamamoto

tripleee

I encourage you to get in touch with Stack Overflow the company to get more information about the spammers' IP addresses and such if you are serious about making them stop, but I imagine it's ultimately not going to be worth the effort

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, pattern-matching website in body: Maxx Boost, Maxx Boost by user111702 on graphicdesign.SE (@TetsuyaYamamoto)

Tetsuya Yamamoto

!!/test downloadhdmovieapp.com

SmokeDetector

> Pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title
----------
Title - Position 9-20: hdmovieapp.
Body - Position 9-20: hdmovieapp.

micsthepick

7:00 AM

@SmokeDetector k

SmokeDetector

tpu- by Tetsuya Yamamoto

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, pattern-matching website in body: Ziladerm The formula also boosts by Hunts on astronomy.SE

@SmokeDetector k

sd k

sd k

@Tech if you are still hoping to convince us, please go ahead and create an issue in our Github bug tracker

ideally I'd like to be able to get in touch with somebody who is actually responsible for enforcing your Acceptable Use Policy or similar but that is probably not suitable for including in a public bug report

but again, just to be explicit, at this point I see no way we could do what you are asking just because you are asking

it's like asking your neighbor to not lock their door because it reflects badly on the sale price for your house if prospective buyers get the impression that there is a crime problem

Tech

7:05 AM

looks like Webline India is being dragged in for no reason.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of body, repeated URL at end of long post: How to Overcome a heroin Addiction? by ellenkaye5432 on superuser.com (@TetsuyaYamamoto @iBug)

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Blacklisted website in body: Installing Tableau Server on Ubuntu by Saanvi S on askubuntu.com (@ThomasWard @quartata @TetsuyaYamamoto)

tpu- by Glorfindel on How to Overcome a heroin Addiction? [MS]

Tetsuya Yamamoto

@SmokeDetector k

Tech

I was looking at the URLs you showed me and none of that confirmed about any spam stuff.

micsthepick

@SmokeDetector what is the issue there?

Tech

it is just because one of the private users reported on your personal website of metasmoke.----.com , you have pulled our identity on Github

Glorfindel

7:09 AM

13

Q: Is this user using some type of automated tool to visit sites in order to acquire "Fanatic" gold badges?

I reviewed this question just now, accepting a suggested edit. I noticed that the user had no reputation (just the 100 bonus), and yet, had a gold badge. I thought, as I have seen many times, that this might be an example of some old yet inactive users who asked a single question which had so m...

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Potentially bad keyword in body: endeavoring to characterize yourself. by VaneCalde on drupal.SE

tpu- by Glorfindel

Tetsuya Yamamoto

@SmokeDetector k

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in body, bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body: I had not the stuffing energy to plow for the daydream time by Sised19 00 on graphicdesign.SE (@TetsuyaYamamoto)

tpu- by Glorfindel

Magisch

@Tech No, what happened was someone was spamming for your company

And we're a volunteer project to fight spam on stackexchange - that means that we also keep records of deleted spam and manage blacklists and watchlists.

Glorfindel

Blacklists are (planned to be) pruned if there are no (positive) hits after a year or so, so if there's no spam, you'll be eventually moved off the list.

SmokeDetector

7:17 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in answer, blacklisted website in answer, pattern-matching website in answer, repeated URL at end of long post: If we could travel far enough would we be able to see a constelation in reverse? by astronomy on astronomy.SE

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, pattern-matching website in body: what means may it work? How may it work? Would by user20742 on astronomy.SE

Magisch

One way to stop being regarded as a spammer is to ... stop spamming and/or start discouraging your users from spamming

SmokeDetector

tpu- by Glorfindel on If we could travel far enough would we be able to see a constelation in reverse? [MS]

tpu- by Glorfindel

Tetsuya Yamamoto

sd 2k

SmokeDetector

[:42081296] That message is not a report.
[:42081293] <processed without return value>

micsthepick

sd 4- 2k

SmokeDetector

7:18 AM

[:42081300] <skipped>
[:42081297] <skipped>
[:42081296] <skipped>
[:42081293] <skipped>
[:42081290] <processed without return value>
[:42081245] That message is not a report.

micsthepick

@SmokeDetector k

every post that smokey makes counts in sd

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Link at end of answer: Traffic from traffic exchange redirect to my website by Moshiur Rahman on webmasters.SE

micsthepick

sd k

tripleee

@Tech we seem to be going in circles here. The Metasmoke archive objectively contains posts which were reviewed and classified as spam in eight cases out of nine by human experts, and the ninth is looking like it will be re-reviewed and also confirmed as spam; and these nine records are archived posts with links to weblineindia.com -- this is literally evidence and not a matter of opinion

if you want to dispute the validity of this evidence, please do elaborate on which part of this is incorrect, unclear, or based on unsound principles

"we have no control over who posts links to our site" is also objectively true, and a reasonable defense, but also quite humorously defends our decision to put your domain name in our database

6

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Best Tricep Workouts And Consequently Exercises To Make Muscle Building by Michaemorsey on drupal.SE

Magisch

7:23 AM

also, we don't delete records because you don't like that they make you look bad

SmokeDetector

tpu- by Tetsuya Yamamoto

Magisch

quite perplexed you'd go after the people fighting what you call "defamation" instead of, you know, the defamers

tripleee

@Tech are you satisfied with this conclusion, or do you wish to pursue this further? I'm planning to create an issue in Github just for our records, and I can give you the URL as proof that you have done what you could to try to nudge us if you need something to show to your employer; but unless you can bring something new and substantial to the discussion, my proposal would be to end this dialogue here

Magisch

@trip I'm not sure I agree with the FP on the 1/9 FP here either

cursory searching doesn't find a direct affiliation but it sounds fishy

Tech

@tripleee We have no control on the users who puts up our link in their comment. So what I can request is you take actions on those users who are doing this and not the link / website as the website / company holds more than 18 years of reputation. And looks like stackoverflow has already taken actions on those users and deleted the posts. So why are you guys dragging the company website everywhere.

Magisch

7:32 AM

@Tech We are taking actions against these users

Getting your post deleted as spam has a wide array of consequences to the user's account

So most of these people have had their accounts banned / deleted because of that

Tech

You need to remove the URLs of our company and stop defaming our name instead take actions on the users who does this. If someday few users post spam messages with a link back to your website, will you defame your website everywhere ?

obviously not.

Magisch

I wonder why you're telling us and not the users you say are defaming you

Suraj Rao

@Tech do you consider a spam post linking back to your site as defaming or smoke detector having a record to catch further spam links to your site as defaming?

Tech

@Magisch we are telling you because you have put up our identity. Those users who are defaming are one or the other way already been taken care by everyone including you guys which I really appreciate. But putting the domain under spam does not help.

Magisch

@Tech It does. It's being used as spam, and so far only as spam, on stack exchange. That means we're interested in reviewing any new posts containing it that come up. Thats what our website blacklist does.

Tech

7:37 AM

Do you mean to say whatever information mentioned in our website link is spam ? Or the people who are posting spam comments and using our link with that ?

Magisch

8/9 mentions of your website on stackexchange so far have been spam posts

Suraj Rao

@Tech spam as per stackoverflow.com/help/promotion

Tech

@Magisch I understand that but for that actions are already been taken by removing the posts and banning the users

Magisch

That doesn't necessarily mean it's your company spamming those, but it does mean that we're interested in reviewing further posts containing your website. We have documented guidelines from when we apply this metric and why.

@Tech Right, and since statistically speaking past behavior is a good predictor of future behavior, we also keep known-spam websites in a blacklist.

Tech

why the company identity is being dragged

Magisch

7:40 AM

As tripleee and I have explained to you, we're following our standard blacklisting process. If you want to get your company domain off our blacklist, take action against those who use it to spam. If nobody uses it for spam in a year or so, it'll be removed.

Tech

if you see then that same link would have been appreciated somewhere else. I would suggest to relook into this and take actions on the users who does this

tripleee

@Tech we are just users of the site, we don't have any authorization you don't

@Magisch indeed, I'd be inclined to change it to TP but I have not looked into it properly yet

Magisch

We can see exactly as much as you can, the difference is we've built a few tools around remembering and detecting spam and we have some experience with doing it.

tripleee

@Tech could you please explain exactly why you call this defamation?

Tech

@Magisch That blacklisting process is your personal and for your personal website. keep whatever you want on your personal side and not pull up those things on other sites. So what I request is remove any references that you have linking to our identity from GITHUB.

tripleee

7:44 AM

if you mean legally, by all means go ahead and pursue this legally (but I have no idea which jurisdiction would be appropriate for this ... I guess you are in India?)

I can think of a workaround which I think would satisfy us both but if you keep being hostile, there might be more pressing things I could spend my time on

Magisch

@Tech Your request is noted but will probably be denied

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in body, bad NS for domain in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, +5 more: musclestrainrelief.com/testo-ss-boost/ by Veat1948 on askubuntu.com (@ThomasWard @quartata @TetsuyaYamamoto)

tripleee

three words: regex character class

Magisch

I'm not an authority here but we've not been in the business of removing legitimate blacklists because people get miffed.

tripleee

make a PR and I'll accept it

micsthepick

7:45 AM

@SmokeDetector k

Tech

what PR are your referring to ?

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, bad keyword in username, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, +2 more: Working of Testosup Xtreme by Testosup Xtreme on superuser.com (@TetsuyaYamamoto @iBug)

micsthepick

@SmokeDetector k

Glorfindel

@Tech you can make a PR obfuscating the regex.

As long as it still detects the website and doesn't hurt performance, it's fine.

Magisch

@tripleee Using custom search I can't find direct affiliation with the website, I also can't find patterns of this article being spammed elsewhere or other contributions of this user to the site. I'd be inclined to at least consider it NAA since it doesn't actually address the question itself, which is itself off topic (imo), but it does look an awful lot like keyword spam.

SmokeDetector

7:52 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in body: PHP CMS Script Facebook random images by Muhammad Rifandi on stackoverflow.com (@quartata @iBug @TetsuyaYamamoto)

micsthepick

@SmokeDetector k

Tech

@Magisch So you already know then why website is dragged into ? Kindly remove the GITHUB posts.

let us all together take actions on those users

Magisch

No, thats got nothing to do with you

Tech

even I would be more interested to find out who those users are.

paper1111

@Tech You would have to ask StackExchange themselves, and I doubt they will give any answer to you

SmokeDetector

8:04 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in body, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, +2 more: herbs and vitamins for service of erectile by Ainge adsy on drupal.SE

Tetsuya Yamamoto

@SmokeDetector k

SmokeDetector

tpu- by Tetsuya Yamamoto

paper1111

!!/test car\.lol

SmokeDetector

> Would not be caught as a post, title or username.

paper1111

!!/watch car\.lol

Magisch

8:05 AM

@Tech If your company wants to take legal actions against the spammers you can contact stack exchange here: stackoverflow.com/company/contact

SmokeDetector

@paper1111 Added car\.lol to watchlist

Magisch

We're not employees of stack exchange so only they can provide you with further information on these users

SmokeDetector

CI on 84ead83 succeeded. Message contains 'autopull', pulling...

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev 84ead83 (SmokeDetector: Auto watch of car\.lol by paper1111 --autopull) (running on teward/Lunar Eclipse)

Restart: API quota is 17941.

Tech

@Magisch yes I understand you are not employees of stackexchange and I am not asking you for that. What I have requested is to remove the posts that Smokedetector has created on GITHUB which is linking to our identity.

paper1111

!!/watch it-bari\.net

SmokeDetector

8:08 AM

@paper1111 Added it-bari\.net to watchlist

Tech

1) https://github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/pull/1064
2) https://github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/blob/master/blacklisted_websites.txt
3) https://github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/pull/1024
4) https://github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/commit/5e8df999d2b45451f6d8c514d501b8914ced23ba
5) https://github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/commit/48cab183a5ffd97a9d4420d87228847f0d89b275
6) https://github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/commit/3b4fe425f8c05b68f7fce9d620cd06af6e1190f7

these are the links which you guys have to remove.

SmokeDetector

CI on 11150fe succeeded. Message contains 'autopull', pulling...

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev 11150fe (SmokeDetector: Auto watch of it-bari\.net by paper1111 --autopull) (running on teward/Lunar Eclipse)

Restart: API quota is 17917.

Magisch

@Tech And we've told you, like 5 times now, why we won't do that

A J

!!/report interpersonal.stackexchange.com/q/8746/29

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Manually reported question: nutritionplanreview.com/ziladerm/ by user10918 on interpersonal.SE

Magisch

8:12 AM

I'm not sure how much clearer we can make it. We don't just remove blacklist entries.

@SmokeDetector k

tpu- by Magisch

@SmokeDetector k

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in body, bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: This formulation will strengthen you to hold by Wimen19 00 on superuser.com (@TetsuyaYamamoto @iBug)

Magisch

!!/test-a nutritionplanreview.com

A J

8:12 AM

@SmokeDetector k

SmokeDetector

> Blacklisted website in answer, pattern-matching website in answer
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micsthepick

@SmokeDetector k

paper1111

!!/blacklist-keyword tableau\W?training

Tech

Then I might have to put this up on GITHUB against your account. I have been trying to request you more than 5 times now and make you understand that our website has no connection to all this still you guys have put us on spot.

SmokeDetector

@paper1111 Blacklisted tableau\W?training

Magisch

8:14 AM

@Tech What standing do you think you have on this?

paper1111

(About this issue: cc @Undo @ArtOfCode)

SmokeDetector

CI on 58ab8bf succeeded. Message contains 'autopull', pulling...

Tech

and are rigid in not removing our links. I am again stating, take actions against the users.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev 58ab8bf (SmokeDetector: Auto blacklist of tableau\W?training by paper1111 --autopull) (running on teward/Lunar Eclipse)

Restart: API quota is 17889.

Magisch

@Tech You haven't answered me. You say we "have" to remove the links. Why do you think we have to? We've tried to be helpful in explaining to you our processes until now, but you don't get to just make demands of us or github

You seem to be under the impression that you get to order us to do things, which isn't how this works

Mithrandir

8:15 AM

(Can I get a transcript link to the beginning of this?)

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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in body, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, +1 more: Force Fit XL And fitness, then? by vcebgagyp on askubuntu.com (@ThomasWard @quartata @TetsuyaYamamoto)

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Magisch

@Mithrandir starts here: chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/42080739#42080739

Mithrandir

thanks, catching up

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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body: Testro T3:>>Mustard oil is another great common by jamesorn on astronomy.SE

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micsthepick

@SmokeDetector k

SmokeDetector

8:18 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, bad NS for domain in body, bad NS for domain in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, +4 more: healthpurelives.com/primal-xl/ by star max on astronomy.SE

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paper1111

sd k

Tech

@Magisch I am requesting to remove our identity from your GITHUB account and GITHUB posts on a third party site like GITHUB.

micsthepick

sd k

SmokeDetector

@micsthepick [:42081821] That message is not a report.

micsthepick

sd 2- k

SmokeDetector

8:21 AM

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, bad NS for domain in body, bad NS for domain in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, +6 more: getsupplementhelp.com/testro-t3/ by uuzezccjh on drupal.SE

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Tech

and you guys have even confirmed about no such spam patterns of our brand identity. Then why is my brand identity put up on GITHUB by your accounts.

Magisch

@Tech Alright. Email your request to smokey@charcoal-se.org

I can't speak for the admins, but your request will probably be denied

Tech

ok, will email today as per your request. Looking forward to see the GITHUB posts linking to our identity deleted ASAP.

Magisch

@Tech be prepared for the admins telling you no

Tech

then I will have to take this up to GITHUB against your GITHUB accounts.

Mithrandir

8:24 AM

You've already had an admin essentially deny your request.

@Tech What I'm not understanding is why you want us to remove a blacklist entry that enables us to detect other users who are 'defaming' your site.

Tech

Looks like you are not understanding that. I have no problem if you guys maintain a personal database to detect users who does this. The problem that I have is that you have linked up our identity as SPAM on your GITHUB account and that effects our online reputation of 18+ years.

Mithrandir

That is our personal database. That's how we detect things.

Tech

so I just have a plain simple request which says that remove the GITHUB posts which refers to our identity.

GITHUB posts which are done from your accounts

Mithrandir

We also have sites like fiverr blacklisted - while the site itself may be legitimate, it all depends on how users are linking to it.

Tech

we dont care what other sites you have there.

Mithrandir

8:30 AM

I'm explaining the purpose of the blacklist.

Heck, at the moment we even have sites.google.com watched.

NVZ

@Tech There is no need to worry. What exactly is removing your site from our blacklist going to achieve?

Mithrandir

Are people really going to think that Google is now a spammer just because a volunteer group of people with a bunch of regexes decided to watch all links to sites.google.com?

Magisch

@Tech Feel free to contact github about it, but they'll probably tell you no too

You seem to be under the impression that you get to control who says what about you online, which isn't the case

Mithrandir

Who's even looking through our database to see if a specific site is there, besides for those who use it for what it's intended for? Why do think that this is what will besmirch your reputation?

Magisch

Not sure how you arrived at this conclusion but let me dispel the notion that we're obligated to care about your company's feelings about being blacklisted based on facts.

Mithrandir

8:33 AM

What will besmirch your reputation is people spamming links to your site, which is exactly what that entry in the blacklist is there to prevent.

I don't care if you have a reputation online for 18+ years. What I care about is the history of links pointing to it on the Stack Exchange network.

And what that history has shown is that it's being used for spam. Perhaps against your wishes - but that doesn't matter for our purposes.

SmokeDetector

[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in answer, bad keyword in answer, pattern-matching website in answer, potentially bad keyword in answer: There is a bug in the sleep health app in iOS by hans on apple.SE

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paper1111

sd - k

Ferrybig

Notice that our spam handling system is not connected to SE's spam system, and removal from our database doesn't change SE spam system

Mithrandir

If you want to keep it out of the blacklist, the way to do that is to make sure that you don't have users spamming your link.

micsthepick

sd 1- k

Mithrandir

8:36 AM

Not by coming in here and making demands of us.

Magisch

@tripleee should I compile this incident into a GH issue?

for our record keeping

tripleee

I was planning to do that, yes

(sorry, been away for half an hour, but looks like not much progress has been made ...?)

paper1111

!!/blacklist-website muscle4supplement\.com

SmokeDetector

@paper1111 That pattern looks like it's already caught by Bad ns for domain in body, Pattern-matching website in body, Bad ns for domain in answer, and Pattern-matching website in answer; append -force if you really want to do that.

Magisch

@tripleee Other then tech threatening to take action against us on github if we won't comply, no.

paper1111

8:38 AM

@tripleee yup

Magisch

And franky I'm really done at this point

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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title, +3 more: www.ifirmationantiagingcream.com/vortaxel-de/ by user82008 on drupal.SE

Magisch

I can't explain it any more clearly then I have so let the dice feel where they may and let github tell them no for us

SmokeDetector

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paper1111

Actually is pattern matching same as blacklist

micsthepick

8:38 AM

sd - k

Mithrandir

@paper1111 Nope.

Magisch

imo we shouldn't even consider removing blacklist because a company doesn't like that they're on it

paper1111

@Mithrandir I mean in terms of functionality and score

Magisch

our only criteria for blacklists should be our blacklist criteria

@paper1111 no, they're seperate filtering reasons

paper1111

Ok

!!/blacklist-website-force muscle4supplement\.com

SmokeDetector

8:40 AM

@paper1111 Blacklisted muscle4supplement\.com

tripleee

@Tech I can propose a compromise which I hope will be acceptable to you but I want to make sure we communicating properly, which still does not seem to be the case here. Can you please explain 1 how exactly having your domain name in a text file on Github is a problem, and 2 how exactly you dissuade your users or affiliates from spamming?

SmokeDetector

CI on b04c082 succeeded. Message contains 'autopull', pulling...

[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev b04c082 (SmokeDetector: Auto blacklist of muscle4supplement\.com by paper1111 --autopull) (running on teward/Lunar Eclipse)

tripleee

@Magisch your English is fluent enough that you make the sort of typo only Americans make (sep-a-rate is hard because the a is spoken as an unstressed neutral vowel)

SmokeDetector

Restart: API quota is 17664.

Magisch

@tripleee Might also be because my english is cobbled together from talking to people online and not a formal education

tripleee

8:43 AM

@Magisch that's a good way to get fluent but apparently it has its perils (-: ... but don't you have the same word in German with a clear a?

Magisch

@tripleee Yeah

Mithrandir

We're willing to work with you here, @Tech. But you need to be able to work with us instead of making demands and threats.

Suraj Rao

@Magisch hmm.. with ~330 edits I am not entirely convinced your english is cobbled though

Magisch

@SurajRao I didn't speak any coherent english until about 5 years ago

And then I learned it not because of school but because I was developing for a private game server and that was an english community

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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] Bad NS for domain in body, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, pattern-matching website in body, +2 more: How testo ss booststerone Booster works? by Daven19 00 on graphicdesign.SE (@TetsuyaYamamoto)

Suraj Rao

8:45 AM

sd k

Magisch

since then I've used english online. that's it though for my english education

micsthepick

sd k

tripleee

@Mithrandir chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/11540?m=42080791#42080791 ... hang on, I'll make a bookmark once we get a clear end point

micsthepick

30 mins ago, by Magisch

@Mithrandir starts here: https://chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/42080739#42080739

NVZ

What is this about? -- "100k posts. Thank you all..."

Suraj Rao

8:47 AM

Out of curiosity, has this sort of req/demand ever happen before? A pull request in Github (even though named blacklist) defaming a site/company?

Magisch

@SurajRao not afaik

Not like spammers are usually bothered enough to manage their reputation - they're spammers after all.

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[ SmokeDetector | MS ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title, +4 more: bellecomplexnorway.com/vexan-male-enhancement/ by Jomdecson on drupal.SE

Suraj Rao

sd k

tripleee

issue #304: process for blacklist removal

@tech not yet your ticket, I'll create a separate one for this incident

Mithrandir

heh, obfuscation @trip? :P

tripleee

8:51 AM

@Mithrandir clearly they don't want their name on Github at all, which we cannot fix for them, but at least I should not be making it worse

and who they are is not important for that particular ticket anyway

@tech github.com/Charcoal-SE/SmokeDetector/issues/1444 is a placeholder for your case, you can share the link with your peers if you like but of course it's not yet very informative

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tripleee

@Mithrandir ^ even more obfuscated, for your immense entertainment and viewing pleasure

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tpu- by Tetsuya Yamamoto

tripleee

another meeting IRL, sorry

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