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5:02 PM
It was alot more active earlier..lunch slow down :)
I'm pretty convinced not even MS knows their licensing
 
@NickM. Buy one license for every life form in the building.
 
Dan
I've been unbolting bits of car, as ever
 
(that includes the potted plants)
 
Dan
@voretaq7 Probably won't cover him for off-site access, though :(
On access from a mobile device
 
@Dan that's why you include the potted plants.
 
5:04 PM
@Chopper3 Well, not exactly tickets...but a "help me!" email is basically the same thing
 
Dan
@voretaq7 I don't think they need remote access, do they?
 
@Dan they might if someone takes them home over long holidays...
 
It's a really weird issue though. We have a grandstream VoIP box at our remote site that has a whole 8 lines (6 in use). All but two of the lines work. The two phones not working give a fast busy signal when dialing an extension and don't ring or go to voicemail when the extension is dialed.
 
Dan
@voretaq7 Good point
 
It's not the phone since when I swapped the jack on the box with a known good phone it worked fine.
 
Dan
5:07 PM
And wow, we're up to a long message ID number
 
@Dan it's OK we haven't hit int_max yet.
 
@Dan 10 million, not all that high. They're probably using 64-bit Integers for message ids.
 
When it rolls over we'll go back in time!
 
@ChrisS . . . you realize SE is backed by MS SQL right?
we're lucky it's not 16 bit.
 
@voretaq7 I'd like to give the programmers a little bit of credit..
 
5:09 PM
@ChrisS ... SMACK
^ Case in point, Markdown. ^
 
@voretaq7 Beats John Gruber with Mark Shuttleworth
 
halp me! i need halp!
 
woooooo its my last day @ work!
 
Hey guys. Please be gentle, I'm about to ask a networking question. I'm a developer and I need to test a crappy third-party app we're 'hosting' (that is to say, it lives somewhere on our domain and we occasionally either feed it or hit it with sticks). The app allows you to configure exactly one endpoint to send an http post, per message type, and it's inconvenient for us to divide the testing one message type per development machine.
 
Charges Lasers
 
5:11 PM
LASERS BE CHAGRIN
 
I'd like to be able to point every message type at one box that relays everything it sees to every dev box, and I lack the vocabulary to describe what I'm asking for to the IT guys
what is what I'm looking for called?
 
Dan
@ChrisS I wasn't think in terms of tech, just that 10 million messages is good going
 
@Dan I wonder what percentage is nothing but profanity.
 
@TomW broadcast?
Or, relay
 
@NathanC that sounds entirely believable. Is it?
 
5:12 PM
@NathanC @TomW I was gonna say broadcast to
 
Dan
It's not broadcast
Broadcast would imply the originator is broadcasting the message to all the recipients, relay works best
 
@TomW So what the app does its thing it posts the results to a http service? And you want multiple endpoints to receive a "copy" of the post?
 
relay to a broadcaster?
 
@TomW "multiplexing proxy"
 
Mmm, stomach grumbling. Better feed it before the monster in me created by IT work comes out.
 
5:12 PM
@Dan Or proxy, maybe.
 
(also "Disgusting")
 
Dan
But what that involves technologically depends entirely on the data. Relaying HTTP post messages could be done easily enough in whatever scripting language you prefer with a HTTP server
 
I'd prefer as low a level solution as possible so that we have more assurance that nothing at the application level is tinkering with the message in flight
 
Dan
I don't think there's something that works at that low a level
 
@Dan Yeah, I think that's going to be the answer
Some script that accepts whatever's in the POST and replays it to multiple other URLs.
 
5:14 PM
@ChrisS yep.
 
@Dan you could theoretically do it with a custom HTTP proxy
but writing a relay script would probably be less painful
 
If it's something I can ask the devops guys to do, and it's simple, so much the better
it doesn't have to be specific to http traffic, if it snatches every packet and clones it to x other machines that'd do
 
Just got a 8.1 preview test invite...anyone else get one?
 
@TomW well we can't say how "simple" it is without knowing your app
@Travis 8.1 of what? :)
 
BTW, the grue is getting hungry.
 
5:18 PM
@TomW That wouldn't work, TCP doesn't replay these days.
@voretaq7 Win8.1
 
@voretaq7 Win
 
@Travis @ChrisS Who the fuck would want to beta test THAT?!
 
OK, I have enough to understand that there is no single solution and there isn't a specific piece of sysadmin jargon for what I'm trying to do. Thanks.
 
@voretaq7 People who push/sell it.
 
5:19 PM
@voretaq7 I guess the guy that is on windows...like me :)
 
@ChrisS . . . so "sociopaths"?
@Travis ...yup, "sociopaths" :-D
 
wow...
2. I acknowledge that I am responsible for backing up all the data from my computer before I proceed to install the Windows 8.1 Preview. I have backed up all my data from the computer
 
@Travis As in, you can download it now? Most "early" test partners got it earlier this month, and MSDN get it on the 26th or so.
 
@ChrisS No. Some kind of virtual install. I picked Thursday for the date. It was either Thurs or Friday
 
5:23 PM
Hrm, haven't heard about that... interesting
 
@ChrisS MSDN gets it on the 26th, torrent sites have it seeded by the 27th.
The joys of the internet!
 
Thank you to joining the test program. You will receive an email confirmation after you have been Approved to participate.
Please remember to back up your data prior to upgrading your systems. As with any Preview software, this is not the final version of the software. You will not be able to perform a full upgrade from Windows 8.1 Preview to Windows 8.1 RTM (The final release). You will however be able to migrate all your data to Windows 8.1 RTM.

You have successfully applied to Windows 8.1 Preview Virtual Install Fair and your status is Pending.
 
@NathanC Torrent sites already have an alpha build.
 
But beta is better :p
My desktop's still on Win7...dunno why I haven't reinstalled 8 on it yet since I bought it for like $15
 
RTM is even better...oh wait..what am i talking about. Nothing with Windows in front of it is ever better
I might need to get a Win7 box going so I can do the 8.1 upgrade
 
5:25 PM
@NathanC Reportedly, neither can upgrade to the Final... So I wouldn't install either on my baremetal install.
 
I wouldn't install alpha/beta/pre on my desktop anyway
If anything I'd offer my laptop as a sacrifice since it sits in a bag 90% of the time
 
I love ALT+Space+N
 
@voretaq7 so 1 CAL per user in the office?
 
Huggles @ScottPack
 
The feature most people go "wow, you can do that?" to is pressing the windows key to get to metro then just typing to search.
I used that constantly to run stuff...
 
5:30 PM
@NickM. It depends on your licensing model
 
Server vs. Client
?
 
2012 Standard server acting as a Active Directory Domain Controller and file server for 20 users
 
@NathanC The search on 8.0 is inferior to 7. 7 had unified search; in 8 it's broken into 3 different categories. I think they're merging at least some, but maybe all back in 8.1. Not switching my home machine over until they do.
 
<- is not a Windows licensing expert. When I need licenses I tell the company "This is what I intend to do, these are how many users we have. How many kidneys do you want?"
 
@voretaq7 fair enough lol thanks
 
5:32 PM
@84104 . . . so we're doing another Vizsla?
 
@NickM. CALs are typically used for terminal services stuff
If you just have a file server/AD, you don't even need any.
 
@NathanC and SQL server apparently
 
@NathanC I believe that is incorrect... any user that access a resource (file share) needs a CAL
at least that's what I was told when i bought ours
 
@voretaq7 I'm unfamiliar with that term and google is giving me a dog bread.
 
@Travis this is what im being told by non microsoft workers
 
5:33 PM
Vizsla
 
Each user CAL permits one user, using any device, to access instances of the server software on
your licensed servers. With the User CAL, you purchase a CAL for every user who accesses the
server to use services such as file storage or printing, regardless of the number of devices they use
for that access. Purchasing a User CAL might make more sense if an organisation’s employees need
to have roaming access to the corporate network using multiple devices, or from unknown devices,
or simply have more devices than users in your organisation.
 
@84104 Dog Bread? How high in carbs is that? Is it gluten free?
 
@WesleyDavid It's not for you kitty-cat.
 
@Travis thanks !
 
let me get you the PDF
 
5:35 PM
Oh...see? Windows licensing is confusing at best...
I mean, having to pay so users can access SMB shares? Sigh.
 
@voretaq7 Reference to the old explorer dog in XP? I hated that thing. I especially dislike that when I told it to go away it wasted more of my time with some stupid walk away animation.
 
@NathanC CALs are used for almost every Microsoft product including Windows Server, except for web workloads (the new term used in place of a separate "Web Server" product below Standard)
 
Of course, they're also based off the honor system
 
@NathanC Most products come with 5 user CALs though so for a real small time business it isn't really an issues
 
5:36 PM
Windows Vizsla
 
Odd.
I'm looking on our DC but can't find anything about licensing.
 
@voretaq7 Because I keep fowl and upland game on my computer. Got it.
 
@NathanC There's no control panel or service that's running on a Windows machine to watch it. It's all on paper. I keep wiki pages for clients that has HR numbers of workers, both W2 and contractor... anyone that touches their network. It's an estimate for sure, but it's close enough to where it'll allow for plausible deniability if they're over... and it won't be over by much if they listen to my recommendations for license orders (if they're over at all).
 
@NickM. Oh yeah..almost forgot. This isn't a place for 'live support' so now
 
@Travis more like a pool of brains that can be picked and discussed with :)
 
5:42 PM
You stepped into the wrong pool :)
Not even chlorine will clean this pool of genetic mutation
 
@84104 I was going to say "Because Vista was a fucking dog"
but yeah I guess those reasons too
@NickM. If it's any consolation Markdown was going to eat your baby anyway.
(we really don't feed the markdown parser enough. It's going kinda feral. Like @WesleyDavid)
 
@voretaq7 munches on protein bar I'm getting BIGGER!
 
@WesleyDavid That's what she didn't say.
 
lol
 
@WesleyDavid "Chase alcohol with protein? That's the greatest idea ever!"
here @WesleyDavid
just for you.
(best. salmon dive. ever.)
 
5:45 PM
@voretaq7 Vista was just misunderstood, mostly by device driver developers who didn't understand the principle of least privilege. And application developer who didn't pay attention to MSDN's virtual profile documentation. So in other words... developers.
 
@WesleyDavid No, Vista was... kinda bad.
like OS X 10.0.0 bad
 
@voretaq7 I chase protein with protein! (Note, all reputable science says that 0.82 grams of protein per pound of body weight is the absolute maximum that a body can assimilate unless you're on steroids)
 
It should not have been allowed to leave the development division. They should have culled their Vizsla and released a Yorkie or something.
 
@WesleyDavid Ok...so I know cloud = my butt. Does protein bar = my penis now?
 
@WesleyDavid . . . Straight People Say The Gayest Things, Volume whatever-the-hell-we're-up-to-now
 
5:47 PM
@voretaq7 Kinda... but SP1 tied up loose ends. It was a big shift, a lot like OS X 10.0
 
@Travis . . . wait, you're letting @WesleyDavid store protein bars in the cloud?
 
@voretaq7 I'm not gay, girls just outrun me. =(
3
 
@WesleyDavid Dude. You're a CAT
Hide on top of the bookshelf and pounce when they walk by!
 
@voretaq7 No...if my analogy is correct he is storing my penis in my butt?
 
If a cat can't even get a crazy cat lady... that is one messed up cat.
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@Travis Incoming 1995. Take cover!!
 
5:49 PM
 
lol
STOP! Look and Listen.

This was an audit, designed to see if you were paying attention. You didn't pass. This post was of very poor quality, and needed significant improvements to be useful – passing over such posts hurts the ability of others to find and answer good questions. Please try to fix such posts by editing, downvoting, closing, or flagging as "very low quality".
 
Everybody glare at Travis like he's a kitten-killer!
 
Well apparently I don't understand a damn thing cause I still don't see what was wrong with the question
it was better than most that get asked/answered on here
 
@Travis clicky linky
 
eh?
 
5:54 PM
@Travis go a link to it
 
No, I already clicked off it
Here's one of the reviews that is showing up now... I'm guessing this is a "audit" question also..
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Q: IPv6 transition, firewall, router or "security switch" with firewall features?

ClemensIt seems that I've lost the overview regarding IPv6 and all it's new features... We own a 3Com / HP OfficeConnect Gigabit VPN Firewall (3CREVF100-73) which has NO IPv6 support. Because we are migrating our telephone system to SIP / VoIP we will buy soon an used IPv6 "dual-stack" 3Com / HP 4800G...

 
@Travis Yeah, I got hit with that the other day. It was borderline.
 
I mean I think it's a sucky question but can offer some insight to them
 
why is it so hard to find new good music to listen to?
 
@NickM. This isn't for live support!
:)
Rephrase it in the form of a statement!
 
5:58 PM
@NickM. define good
 
@Travis which queue is that in ?
 
@Iain SF first posts
 
@Iain first ride!
 
@Travis Good Music is so difficult to come by now a days.
 
@Travis may not be an audit then
 
6:00 PM
@voretaq7 Something That I will want to listen to over and over again
 
@ewwhite crap ?
 
@NickM. :ClicketyClicety: Now Playing: Rebecca Black - The Song That Shall Not Be Named
There ya go pal!
 
If Rebecca black is who i think it is...
 
@ewwhite 5 miles ?
 
@Iain My audit question came out of there. Re-reading the question it is really confusing. I may need to edit it. He already has a firewall and is getting a new switch. Then says he is uncomfortable without having a firewall...
 
6:02 PM
@voretaq7 Google is saying it is... THANKS BUT NO THANKS
 
@Iain I only got out for 20 minutes.
 
I hate how hollywood takes under aged women and use them to make a fortune off of them
 
@ewwhite I just saw it
 
how is that not illegal ?
 
??
 
6:03 PM
 
What's ur suffer score :)
 
@Travis It goes up by one for each misconfigured system I see, each Supermicro server I encounter, and anytime I see an SNMP community named "disabled".
@Iain Chicago is flat... but it gave me an idea of the bike
a couple of fit issues... it's my first time on electronic shifting.
The wheels are carbon fiber with carbon fiber spokes molded into the rims at tension.
 
@ewwhite is @WesleyDavid taking your outgoing bike off your hands ?
 
@Iain the outgoing bike is worth $4k.
Doubt it ;)
 
:)
 
6:10 PM
but I'm so very intrigued by these wheels...
 
@ewwhite At least you see disabled instead of public :)
 
@Travis "public" is there, too.
 
sigh
 
I just talked with the single happiest HP support agent of all time! I'm dizzy from all the endorphins.
Seriously, what was that guy on because I want some!
 
@WesleyDavid Serotonin
 
6:15 PM
@WesleyDavid Whippets.
 
@ewwhite Seriously, I have afterglow and want to cuddle now.
 
Cocaine
 
I hate forums - just saw a post for "We have remote Windows laptops that we're having a hard time managing patches, AV, and more. What do others do" followed by 17 posts of "I don't have anything to contribute, but feel like responding anyway", then me saying "MS InTune was designed for this EXACT situation. Use it!"
 
lol
 
@ChrisS And then 17 people replying "SHILL!!" before you get banned.
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6:25 PM
@ewwhite So, how was the electronic shifting? magical?
 
@ChrisS Oh, and welcome to ServerFault. Read our FAQ.
 
@WesleyDavid I try to remember to disclose that I work for a MS Partner... But seriously, if someone was asking for a PC Program to write letters and sh*t, would you not mention Word?
 
@freiheit it's surprising... you don't realize how much you end up finessing mechanical shifters.
 
@ChrisS Is InTune legit? Looked like a pre-alpha of LabTech when I looked at it a year ago or so.
@ChrisS NOTEPAD++ 4 LYF!
 
You ease up on the pedals, overthrow the mechanical shifter a bit and resume.
 
6:26 PM
You know what I miss? Shift levers that aren't indexed. Admittedly, I ride what to you would be cheap bikes, but I never had trouble finding the right gears.
 
Wait... Windows...
 
the electronic gets it right every time.
 
@WesleyDavid Yeah - 3/4 of the time it works every time!
 
...and the cheap Shimano components definitely struggle to find a gear. Constantly needs adjustment.
 
@ChrisS MSP Panther! 60% of the time it works everytime! (Can we talk about CALs while you smoke a cigarette?)
 
6:28 PM
Have a good weekend folks! See ya mondayish
 
@MilesErickson My Surly Long Haul Trucker's bar-end shifters can be switched to that mode (pure friction). They're (basically) the same shifters that were common on time trial bikes several years ago.
 
@freiheit I'm back to wanting one of those.
 
@freiheit That sounds nice.
 
@MilesErickson I really prefer the integrated and indexed shifting (SRAM Apex) on my CX bike, though.
 
@freiheit I'm back to wanting one of those too.
 
6:29 PM
It's a nice idea if it works right, but on a $400 bike it ususally doesn't.
 
There's really something to be said for being able to shift from the hoods or the drops without moving my hands.
@WesleyDavid Pro tip: Buy one bike at a time.
 
@freiheit I like SRAMs from what little I've experienced too.
 
What I like about a $400 bike is that, while on the one hand it has a high probability of being stolen within several years of routine use, on the other hand it's a $400 bike.
 
@WesleyDavid Shimano 105 and SRAM Apex were both good when I did some test riding. I didn't care for the way the brake lever swings over on the Shimano stuff, but that's really a very minor issue that I know I could get used to.
 
Electronic!
quick survey... I have 50 bare-metal HP ProLiant DL360 G7 servers running Windows 2003 for a large, well-known client.
My staff is interested in configuring network "teaming"/bonding...
 
6:37 PM
It's a trap!
 
#teachanolddognewtricks
I guess I never noticed that you can't set a local Windows account to expire...
 
does it make sense to do network bonding on physical hosts?
 
Wait. What's the business need?
 
@MilesErickson I don't know... these are the backend infra for a large legal research website...
 
@ewwhite We used to do it with our DL360/380G4(p)s. Just used the HP Network utility.
 
6:40 PM
Of course it makes sense.
if you need the bandwidth there.
 
@FalconMomot why?
I almost never use teaming/bonding
This is not for bandwidth.
I'm being asked if it's common... and to me, it's not.
 
the only other reason then is to protect you from switch failures.
 
but I wanted to solicit some other opinions.
 
no, it's not that common
 
It's not common unless there's a business justification, which I presume would be capacity, redundancy, or both.
 
6:43 PM
I would think a switch failure will take something else down that can't be as resilient as the servers... I'm not concerned with switch failures.
I'll get dual-PSU switches when I can...
but I guess I havent' been bit badly enough
 
@Adrian If you want to see gamification gone wild, check out the SolarWinds Thwack community. I've watched them revamp it over the last year or so, and was even in on a discussion group with their brainiac PhD social-scientist-whatever during the design phase, and it's just... wow.
 
What would @mdmarra do?
 
I'm not saying it's necessarily the best thing in the world, but if gamification of a community is what you're interested in looking into, @Adrian, check them out.
 
@MilesErickson I just found out that the client has an Extreme switch stack. So everything is running to a group of 3 or 4 stacked switches.
Would you still team in that situation?
 
@ewwhite we always team unless it's a server that we can live without for an extended period of time
 
6:52 PM
@Zypher Really? What's the main motivation? Switch resilience?
 
sometimes it's for bandwidth, most of the time it's for redundancy
@ewwhite when you arn't talkign bandwidth, it gives you alot of resiliance not only a the siwtching layer, but at the hardware layer
 
Assuming the stack is setup as an actual stack (Master, Backup, member, member), and that there is an LACP trunk with 1 port on 1 switch and 1 port on another back from that stack to wherever else in the network it goes, the network is decent enough at that point.

But you would need to do an LACP group from the server to 2 different switches in the stack if you wanted to mitigate a switch failure. Otherwise, if the switch hosting that server died, the other switches would be fine but you'd have to physically move the server to a new switch.
 
and the human layer
and it's a cheap, simple thing to do
 
@ewwhite I defer to @Zypher.
 
@ewwhite I don't think you could consider it a "reliable server" unless the NICs are teamed....
 
6:55 PM
@FalconMomot Stampede park right now:
 
@WesleyDavid yeah, I saw.
 
@TheCleaner You can do teamed/redundant NICs without stacked switches, just not LACP.
 
yeah, I was going off his comment that it was a stack. He can do a simply failover if that's not the case. Personally, unless it was a hypervisor or a critical server that required immediate failover if a switch failed, then I wouldn't bother with it.
 
@TheCleaner If it's that critical it should be in a redundancy pair across two switches
 
@TheCleaner right, they're trying to map this across switch stack members.
 
6:59 PM
@voretaq - Isn't that what I said?
 
For VMware, I DO go through this exercise, because it's part of making a resilient solution.
but for individual servers... like a Windows 2003 box, it seems to be overkill
 

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