The Comms Room

voretaq7

7:00 PM

@TheCleaner you implied it'd be ok to have <switch>---[server]----<switch>

ewwhite

the NICs are the four embedded motherboard NICs in the HP ProLiant.

Nathan C

Switches don't fail really often enough to worry so much about tbh

Zypher

@NathanC you are also protecting against cable failure, nic failure, i pulled the wrong cable failure, i disabled the wrong nic failue, failed nic param update failue

voretaq7

I'm saying you need two servers (and something like VMWAre HA) - each connected to its switch

Miles Erickson

@ewwhite Basically, I try to look at everything in terms of costs and benefits. Since it's not a question of bandwidth, what is the business value of redundancy? Perhaps it would be very high if each of the 50 servers is a pet. What are the costs? Might be relatively low if they have 50 switch ports to spare.

Nathan C

7:00 PM

The switches will likely outlive most of the other equipment on the racks, but that's just my limited experience anyway

voretaq7

'cuz otherwise you lose your server and you lose the whatever

TheCleaner

@voretaq7 - sorry no. Either LACP between 2 stacked switches, or redundant phy with 2 server nics and 2 separate switches.

MikeyB

@ChrisS Actually, a LACP team is aware when the other end of the links are not the same host and do the right thing in that case. On Linux :p

voretaq7

@TheCleaner I'd still say you need two actual servers :-)

I've seen a lot more servers fail than switches/ports

MikeyB

WHO LIKES GRAPHS? I LIKE GRAPHS!

voretaq7

7:02 PM

@MikeyB undirected acyclic graphs?

TheCleaner

@voretaq7 :) but...but...VM! CLOUD!

MikeyB

@voretaq7 ← prefers DAGs

ewwhite

@MilesErickson THe business value is high... the equipment is there and there are ports to accommodate... but listen to all of the complaints I've made. I've seen 15 Supermicro backplanes fail, 60 or more RAID batteries go bad, multiple server failures, etc... in my time here.

Chris S

@MikeyB Some switches also support SMLT for LACP across unstacked switches, but it's annoyingly rare still.

voretaq7

@MikeyB Well technically you can't have an undirected acyclic graph (because every undirected edge represents a potential cycle)

MikeyB

7:03 PM

@voretaq7 UAG → tree

Miles Erickson

@ewwhite Sounds like a no-brainer unless your enumerated complaints are an allusion to some sort of opportunity cost argument.

TheCleaner

@NathanC he did say Extreme switches...I've had plenty of them fail due to popped capacitors.

ewwhite

@MilesErickson I'm concerned about the complexity and the potential for moar misconfiguration

Miles Erickson

@ewwhite If you're doing it, it won't be misconfigured.

ewwhite

@TheCleaner I've had two just straight-up reboot in the middle of the day.

Zypher

7:05 PM

@ewwhite if you are doing simple a/p failover ... then it's not that complicated and only host side config

MikeyB

@ewwhite Complexity? Network bonding? It's dead simple, especially if you just do active/passive

ewwhite

@MilesErickson I won't be.... my first-level staff will be going through one-by one.

@MikeyB On Windows 2003...

Zypher

now if you want to more interesting things, LACP ALB/RLB you have some more complex setups, but really nothing crazy

MikeyB

@ewwhite Same answer. What NICs?

Zypher

@ewwhite depends on the drivers, but still pretty dead simple especially if Broadcom(Blah) or Intel nics

ewwhite

7:06 PM

@MikeyB The four NICs embedded on the motherboard of the HP servers.

MikeyB

@ewwhite Broadcom?

ewwhite

HP has a "Teaming" utility that needs to be downloaded.

yeah, they're Broadcom

Miles Erickson

@ewwhite Hmm. Let them pay you by the hour for the enterprise-class experience, sort of like some commuter airlines expect their first officers to pay for the opportunity to log flight time.

MikeyB

@ewwhite check this out:

TheCleaner

@ewwhite yeah I've seen that too...typically they get a memleak. You'll look in the logs after and there will be watchdog errors talking about running low on memory right before it "rebooted".

MikeyB

7:07 PM

name: TEAM
type: 4
pnic: 10:00.0
snic: 10:00.1
vname: VIFNAME (opt)
vid: VLANID (opt)
ip: IP
smask: MASK
gw: GW

ewwhite

@MilesErickson nah, I can't get involved. I'm just trying to give an "expert" opinion.

MikeyB

Put that in a file, modify as necessary (pnic/snic are bus addresses), then apply it in one shot with the BACS cli tool.

ewwhite

@MikeyB HP wants to see their fancy tool used.

voretaq7

@MikeyB yes. but I still maintain such graphs have cycles (just not the mathematical, network-breaking kind :)

MikeyB

Broadcom Advanced Configuration Suite?

Miles Erickson

7:09 PM

why s my mok air missing kesrokes all of a sudden?

TheCleaner

I don't recall which one (broadcom or intel), but they eventually stopped the Teaming config from happening in the NIC properties and you have to do it in device manager. It's been a few years since they did it, but I still never saw the point.

voretaq7

@MilesErickson Hit it harder

MikeyB

@voretaq7 Doesn't count if you visit the node twice using the same edge :p

Zypher

@TheCleaner Intel based nics are done in the properties, Broadcom in some god aweful utility

voretaq7

@MikeyB yes, I know the mathematical definition. but you can still confuse topology algorithms with them :)

TheCleaner

7:10 PM

@Zypher OK, maybe it's the Intel ones then that don't have the Teaming tab anymore in the NIC's properties but instead in Device Manager?

voretaq7

(unless your topology algorithm is the one my vision professor favored: "Drop a bunch of marbles on the vertex graph and let them roll 'downhill'")

Zypher

@TheCleaner nope it's definately in the nic properties

Miles Erickson

@ewwhite Seriously, I would suppose that any "expert opinion" would stress the critical importance of managing the change process. Someone with enterprise experience needs to design and audit the implementation, and the first-level people doing the work need to know that they're getting graded on following the plan to the letter, keeping things tidy, and documenting every twitch of their clicky fingers.

@ewwhite I think your fears are legitimate.

voretaq7

@MilesErickson ... "change control isn't important" :-P

Nathan C

thedailywtf.com/Articles/Cheaters-Never-Prosper.aspx

Mentions stackoverflow :P

Zypher

7:12 PM

@TheCleaner i mean you can get to the same page from device manager but it's there

TheCleaner

@Zypher hmmm...well I believe you...just remembering...and found this but don't know if it still applies

"If your adapter supports teaming, then a Teaming tab displays in Windows* Device Manager after installing the software. Use the New Team option and follow the wizard to create a team."

intel.com/support/network/sb/cs-009747.htm

Zypher

@TheCleaner yea, you can get there from properties too

MDMarra

@ewwhite with?

Nathan C

@TheCleaner We have older 3com switches that have over a year of uptime so far...guess it depends on the vendor.

Zypher

that's just documentation for idiots "do it this way" but you can still do it other ways

Miles Erickson

7:13 PM

@ewwhite And, of course, the client needs to sign off on the plan in advance and have a realistic understanding of its risks and benefits. They cannot be caught by surprise if something goes wrong.

@ewwhite Surely I'm preaching to the choir.

voretaq7

@MDMarra I think he meant that in a "What would Brian Boitano do?" kind of way

ewwhite

@MDMarra Client with 50x Windows 2003 boxen running on HP ProLiant gear. My staff wants to bond/team all of the NICs.

@MilesErickson Oh, well... everything will just go down... and catch fire.

TheCleaner

@Zypher OK, I just could have sworn messing with this years ago and wouldn't see a tab in the Network Connections\NIC properties menu there (after clicking Configure on the NIC properties page) and then finding out it was in Device Manager. Oh well.

ewwhite

as usual.

One of my coworkers bricked a Dell MDxxxx storage unit today

Miles Erickson

@ewwhite How?

TheCleaner

7:16 PM

@ewwhite - setting up the LACP team on the extreme stack is dirt simple if you end up going that way. It's all of about 2 or 3 commands.

ewwhite

@TheCleaner yeah, I have it for the ESXi hosts.

Miles Erickson

@ewwhite That sounds severely unpleasant, particularly if it was already in production use.

ewwhite

@MilesErickson it was in the process of being installed

...just got off the phone with the tech and he said that the software version on dell.com is outdated and that it cannot control the storage device. He gave me a link to download the new software version, but it's gonna take 5 hrs to download

calling dell, this thing wont let me do anything because the firmware in it is no longer supported

TheCleaner

@MilesErickson he got into the CLI and did "I execute this command mv /.* /var/wwww/html After sometime system automatically rebooted."

ewwhite

So @MDMarra Do YOU team your NICS?

(and yes, that means do-sex-to)

TheCleaner

7:19 PM

It's ok, cause they're HIS nics.

Nick M.

You know what's a great slogon for an IT company?

WesleyDavid

@NickM. "Fuck you pay me." -- Paulie Goodfella

Subtitle: "The mafia does managed services... for a fee."

Dammit fingers.

Nick M.

@WesleyDavid cut them off. Who needs fingers now adays

I was thinking more of " I.T all gets better. "

Double meaning

Miles Erickson

@NickM. Been done. Remember Bull?

Iain

@MilesErickson Honeywell/Bull ?

Kevin Soviero

7:28 PM

"Just do I.T."

WesleyDavid

@NickM. NSA's MSP division slogan: "I.T. Phone Home!"

Nick M.

lol

Im pretty sure I was talking with someone who got a job from Facebook and he was saying how they dont give authorities any of their users information without a valid warrant. 1 month later PRISM is leaked and confirms my suspicion on government spying.

Miles Erickson

@Iain I'm so wrong. It was Keane.

tess2.uspto.gov/bin/showfield?f=doc&state=4809:2xwhn6.2.12

WesleyDavid

@NickM. Rationalist IT company slogan: "I.T. Therefore I Am"

2

Nick M.

It is for this reason that I am making $700 to encrypt 7 laptops this weekend

WesleyDavid

7:31 PM

DevOps IT Company Slogan: "Snapshots are backups, right?"

Developer Company Slogan: "Just put it in my butt!"

Nick M.

oh now what Have i started

WesleyDavid

(For the uninitiated, viz. @NickM., around these parts "the cloud" is JIT compiled to "my butt" and "big data" is inline translated to "your balls")

@NickM. You haven't started anything, you've just walked into StackExchange's wretched hive of scum and villainy.

Miles Erickson

@NickM. Is there a nexus between encrypting laptop hard drives (to protect against theft of the physical device) and government surveillance (which generally does not require theft of physical devices)?

Nick M.

@WesleyDavid So If I said I had Big Balls what would the reversed inlined translation be?

WesleyDavid

@NickM. That you had big balls.

Hey everyone, @NickM. has big balls!

Nick M.

7:36 PM

@WesleyDavid I see you found my balls but I also see that you were only able to fit one on the picture

WesleyDavid

@NickM. That was after the terrible rail grind incident during your aggressive skating phase.

You did say that you had big balls.

Nick M.

@WesleyDavid TGIF

WesleyDavid

Tomorrow is my Friday.

Monday is my Monday.

freiheit

You're doing it wrong

Nick M.

It's a holiday Monday

WesleyDavid

7:38 PM

Where?

Nick M.

Where the French are W*ores

WesleyDavid

@NickM. Quebec?

Nick M.

@WesleyDavid you know it

@WesleyDavid I take it you visit often?

Tanner

Incidentally I took Monday off as my floating holiday... What is it my boss is going to think I'm observing?

Miles Erickson

@Tanner Solstice, but a few days late. He'll think you're a procrastination-prone pagan.

WesleyDavid

7:41 PM

@NickM. Nope, although someone here in The Comms Room tried to get me to visit using hookers and beer as incentive.

Tanner

@MilesErickson ...fair enough.

Cole

blah

Nick M.

@WesleyDavid You sure that wasnt me? because that kinda sounds like something I would do

WesleyDavid

@NickM. Mmmmmmmaybe?

Nick M.

@WesleyDavid I'm pretty certain

@WesleyDavid well my offer still stands.

Miles Erickson

7:43 PM

@WesleyDavid Forget that! Visit and you'll get an airplane ride to a really cool little island.

WesleyDavid

@MilesErickson That's not the one with the prison on it, is it? =(

Miles Erickson

@WesleyDavid Naw.

Nick M.

@WesleyDavid the prison ran by beautiful women with no mercy

Miles Erickson

@WesleyDavid You can leave any time you like, but you can't check out (no hotels, no libraries).

WesleyDavid

@MilesErickson You can leave... as long as you know how to swim through two miles of near-freezing water and fog.

Miles Erickson

7:45 PM

@WesleyDavid Or operate a canoe, or ride a passenger ferry... but some people do like to do things the hard way, and I can respect that.

TheCleaner

Tampa I.T. Services

Miles Erickson

@TheCleaner Don't EVER mention ConnectWise in this hallowed place.

Falcon Momot

How about Wipro?

or igate?

TheCleaner

@MilesErickson heh...had to look up what you meant...mine was from the earlier conversation of great IT company names. T.I.T.S.

voretaq7

@TheCleaner What about TITS now?

3

TheCleaner

7:47 PM

and there ya go

Miles Erickson

@TheCleaner Ah. There's an IT service provider in Tampa that developed some really awful and hype-laden software that seems to be favored by lots and lots of inexplicably successful managed service companies.

Falcon Momot

The success of most of those companies is inexplicable, which makes me incredibly nervous about potentially going into that line of business.

voretaq7

@TheCleaner I'd work for them if I could be promised voluptuous helpdesk monkeys to order around.

TheCleaner

@MilesErickson - yeah, I recognize there "portal" images on GIS now that I've looked. Seen it in at least 2 different MSPs I've dealt with.

Miles Erickson

@TheCleaner It is really.. well, read this: amplicate.com/hate/connectwise

WesleyDavid

7:51 PM

@MilesErickson It's called ConnectWise (not Kaseya - duh).

TheCleaner

@voretaq7 I've always said a great biz idea would be a computer repair shop with Hooters/TwinPeaks style girls working the front office. I bet nerds would intentionally download viruses or break stuff.

WesleyDavid

And it's not that bad, considering that any software that manages what MSPs have to manage will be ungainly and sprawling.

@TheCleaner Witness: booth babes at IT shows.

Miles Erickson

@WesleyDavid Whoa. You're a defender of ConnectWise?

TheCleaner

@WesleyDavid there ya go

I've heard of Kaseya...and seen PacketTrap in quite a few places.

voretaq7

@WesleyDavid they do that less and less now, which is a good thing.

I'd rather talk to a man/woman of average attractiveness and excellent competence than one who's easy on the eyes but as vapid as a news anchor without a teleprompter.

2

TheCleaner

7:56 PM

but @voretaq7 - how can you talk to anyone when you are constantly interrupted by someone trying to get their final stamp for a free tech show shirt?

freiheit

@voretaq7 I'm a straight man, and generally find booth babes more annoying than anything else. Hired models is a sure sign of a company with no confidence in their actual product.

4

voretaq7

@TheCleaner I take the stamper and whomp them on the forehead with it

WesleyDavid

@MilesErickson There's not much choice for overall process management for MSPs. CW does... okay for software that has to, by definition, suck.

voretaq7

@freiheit I worked for a company once where one of the engineers was actually quite attractive. Everyone always thought she was a booth babe when she went to conferences.

@WesleyDavid RT and custom workflows man!

WesleyDavid

@voretaq7 People think the same of me. Call it a burden.

@voretaq7 CW is way more than ticket management. It's... bleh.

TheCleaner

7:59 PM

@freiheit - car mfg's do it all the time, especially at shows outside the U.S.

Miles Erickson

@WesleyDavid I agree that there's not much choice, but I think that CW is one of the most horribly implemented pieces of software I've ever seen or touched.

TheCleaner

@MilesErickson Tivoli

Falcon Momot

How come all ticket management systems have to be so bloated?

freiheit

@voretaq7 I reserve the right to hypocritically feel bad about the whole thing. I know I've been guilty of mistaking actual engineers for booth babes now and then.

WesleyDavid

@MilesErickson It's either that or autotask. Shot in the head with a rifle or the neck with a blowdart.

voretaq7

8:00 PM

@freiheit I make a habit of mistaking booth babes for engineers.

then expressing my profound disappointment to the sales monkeys staffing the booth when they turn out to be clueless

Miles Erickson

@WesleyDavid Sounds like I ought to get into the business of selling ticketing, time-tracking, and invoicing software to MSPs.

Falcon Momot

@MilesErickson it's not a hard problem. 90% of the needs could probably even be met by a little perl script and a mysql database backend.

Miles Erickson

@FalconMomot Or whatever. I'd use Rails.

Falcon Momot

@MilesErickson indeed. I mean, what do people actually use it for?

(ticket/invoicing/time tracking)

every transaction I can think of is trivial.

Miles Erickson

@FalconMomot Of course, it has other features, but that's the core functionality.

Falcon Momot

8:04 PM

Software should do one thing.

Miles Erickson

And, more to the point, it should to that thing well.

freiheit

@FalconMomot It flips bits. That's all it does.

Miles Erickson

@freiheit Quality metric: work done / # bits flipped

freiheit

@MilesErickson The tricky bit is flipping the right bits.

voretaq7

@FalconMomot The Charles Emerson Winchester III school of computing?

freiheit

8:14 PM

@FalconMomot The inevitable result of such a philosophy is qmail and djbdns.

Falcon Momot

@freiheit :)

freiheit

@FalconMomot Having suffered with both, I'd rather have emacs (software that does everything) than qmail (a collection of tiny pieces of software that each do one thing).

Falcon Momot

It all hinges on your definition of one thing

I think SMTP and DNS are each one thing...

certainly ticket management and package deployment are each one thing, at least

Joel E Salas

HERE WE GO MUFUCKAS! KVM PILOT PROGRAM IS GO

Falcon Momot

ooh

voretaq7

8:20 PM

@JoelESalas . . . <insert joke about Linux server crashing into the side of a mountain here>

Joel E Salas

@voretaq7 ;_;

voretaq7

@JoelESalas QQMore.

Joel E Salas

In other news, I actually saved something using Time Machine today, I'm kind of proud of Apple

voretaq7

@JoelESalas my time machine / time capsule at home keeps b0rking

every few days I get "HEY! I COULDN'T BACK YOU UP FOR 30 DAYS!

Joel E Salas

@voretaq7 I used qcow for VirtualBox, then I took a snapshot. holy vboxapocalypse

voretaq7

8:22 PM

@JoelESalas do not do that.

:)

Joel E Salas

If I shouldn't do it, then why does it let me??

It's not obvious at all

voretaq7

@JoelESalas you shouldn't rm /vmunix, but Unix lets you do that.

Stop expecting your computers to come with safety rails and padding!

84104

@voretaq7 With big data and the cloud, the mountain can now crash into you!

voretaq7

@84104 LIES

freiheit

@JoelESalas Welcome to having real admin privileges, where you have enough rope to hang yourself and lots of other people.

2

voretaq7

8:23 PM

The mountain does not move. The cloud just obscures it

Joel E Salas

@voretaq7 This isn't a Unix system, this is a userland program

voretaq7

@JoelESalas developed by Unix people

Joel E Salas

@voretaq7 No, developed by Oracle. Is it any wonder it has contempt for the user?

voretaq7

You can do whatever the fuck you want - 's not our job to keep you from hurting yourself!

84104

@voretaq7 Of course they're lies; I had >= 1 buzz word in that sentence.

voretaq7

8:25 PM

►

freiheit

@JoelESalas Oracle is an evil behemoth. It's not exactly out to get you, but it will destroy you as an inconsequential side-effect of serving the greater evil.

voretaq7

@freiheit Stop anthropomorphizing Oracle.

freiheit

@voretaq7 Oracle doesn't like it when I anthropomorphize it.

WesleyDavid

@voretaq7 pull starts lawnmower

voretaq7

►

that talk is still absolutely awesome, just for the lawnmower comments

(the rest is pretty cool too, but "Think of Larry Ellison the way you'd think of a lawnmower" is just classic)

freiheit

8:31 PM

Oracle can't have empathy

2

(so true)

voretaq7

The part that saddens me is at the very beginning

freiheit

@voretaq7 Where they kill your favorite puppy?

voretaq7

@freiheit "I had a very troubling moment with one of my engineers last night - we were looking at this and talking about this presentation today and he was like 'Oh, what is SunOS 4.x? Was that a previous version of Solaris?'"

<- remembers 4.x ; Has 4.x media.

Iain

@voretaq7 I remember 4.x but no longer have the media

voretaq7

@Iain I have nothing that can read the media

but I have the media.

freiheit

8:35 PM

@voretaq7 I remember 4.x. We might have some Solaris 2.3 or 2.4 media around, but no SunOS...

voretaq7

I also have Genuine AT&T System V (R3) media, with the pink license cards that entitle me to install it.

Iain

@freiheit it's all SunOS

WesleyDavid

@voretaq7 Well it kinda was. BSD based until SunOS 5 -- I don't get the joke. Then again, I wasn't using anything close to Sun way back in the elder days.

voretaq7

(So technically I can use the FreeBSD 1.x disks)

@freiheit The earliest Solaris 2.x media I have is 2.5.1

(that's also the latest Solaris/SunOS media I have because it's the last that supported my old VMEBus equipment.)

freiheit

@Iain Sorry, I meant no SunOS 4.x

(or, if you prefer, no Solaris 1.x)

voretaq7

8:39 PM

@Iain It's all Windows NT!

Cole

Did someone say NT?

Iain

@freiheit was it backnamed 1.x when 2,x came out I don't remember

Dan

@Cole Back in your box!

Iain

@voretaq7 nah - that's VMS

Cole

@Dan D:

voretaq7

8:40 PM

@Iain SHH. VMS is dead. HP said so.

Iain

@voretaq7 I was sad when I read that

voretaq7

freiheit

@Iain Yeah, when Solaris came out they went with this crazy "Solaris 2.x = SunOS 5.x and SunOS 4.x = Solaris 1.x" thing, which is why nobody actually talks about running Solaris 1, it's always 2.x.

voretaq7

@Iain Don't be sad. Have a drink from the VAX/Bar.

freiheit

(and to help make sure anybody new to SunOS/Solaris was properly confused, Solaris' tools didn't really ever mention the Solaris name)

voretaq7

8:41 PM

@freiheit Nobody ever talks about running "Solaris 2.x", they drop the 2 and pretend the middle number is the OS version.

Iain

@voretaq7 the first VMS system I managed was an 11/780

MDMarra

@ewwhite not on VMs

freiheit

@voretaq7 Well, eventually, yes, you go from "Solaris 2.4" to "Solaris 10"...

voretaq7

@Iain the first (and only) VMS environment I ever had to deal with was a pair of MicroVAX beasties.

MDMarra

only really ever on SQL servers, tbh

Dan

8:42 PM

@MDMarra Teaming NICs on VM's sounds dirty

voretaq7

named (so creatively) VAXA and VAXB

Iain

@voretaq7 yeah we had some 2000, 3500, 4000-100 and a wopr 5000 system then some Alpha 4000 stuff

voretaq7

You know, my university had really uncreative naming schemes.

VAXA, VAXB, HUSUN1, HUSUN2, HUSUN3, ULTRA1, ULTRA2, ... ULTRA21 . . .

ewwhite

@Dan I have that, too.

voretaq7

(and then the machines I weaseled onto the network: Colossus, Guardian, and WOPR)

ewwhite

8:45 PM

22 hours ago, by ewwhite

Those errors are from a VM running Oracle... inside of a 6-host vSphere cluster... on an EMC SAN exporting NFS... where the multipath errors are coming from a direct gigabit connection on the VM to an iSCSI LUN presented from the same SAN.

Dan

@ewwhite Are you being made too? I don't see why you'd want that extra layer of complexity when the hypervisor can do it just fine

ewwhite

stupid customers

Dan

Whelp

ewwhite

and us not saying anything

I have a customer right now asking us to downgrade the version of PHP on their RHEL6 servers.

freiheit

@ewwhite Down to an older RHEL6 release of PHP, or fully downgrading from PHP 5.x to something much older?

WesleyDavid

8:48 PM

@ewwhite In cases like that, I prefer to say "Okayyy..." Give them a two or thre sentence warning about what bothers me, and then just do it. Experience is a cruel mistress.

Dan

@freiheit PHP3 knowing @ewwhite and his customers

WesleyDavid

@Dan museum.php.net/php1

Dan

@WesleyDavid Yeah, I'm a fan of "Send an e-mail, cover your back, tell them it's a bad idea and then let them fuck themselves over. And make sure you charge extra when cleaning up the impending mess"

WesleyDavid

@Dan We could go into business together.

freiheit

@WesleyDavid Bad Kitty!

Dan

8:49 PM

@WesleyDavid I don't think it's a good idea, but if you insist....

ewwhite

@freiheit well...

RHEL6 ships with php-5.3.3-22.el6 and an optional php-5.4

tombull89

God Dammit. It's too bad it's frowned upon to punch people in the face. Even moreso when it's women.

ewwhite

Client wants php-5.2.17

freiheit

@ewwhite ...

@ewwhite Is this some crazy "The software said it requires php 5.2.17, so that's what we're going to install" things?

ewwhite

@freiheit they're having application problems

voretaq7

8:51 PM

@freiheit that's not crazy

WesleyDavid

@ewwhite Wow. That's unusual. Latest 5.3 branch is 5.3.26.

voretaq7

exposing that environment to the internet? That's crazy

WesleyDavid

@ewwhite but honestly I was expecting worse.

ewwhite

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Q: Howto install php 5.2.17 on centos 6 x86_64

Does anyone know how to install php 5.2.17 on a 64bit centos 6 install? I've got a old legacy system that requires php 5.2.17, but centos 6 only supports php 5.3. I've installed repo's such as webtatic, but had no luck at all. Should I rather revert back to centos 5 and install it there? Any ...

@voretaq7 it's a News site

WesleyDavid

@ewwhite Like, a site that we'd have a good probability of knowing about?

ewwhite

8:54 PM

@WesleyDavid umm...

WesleyDavid

"CNN.com"

ewwhite

@WesleyDavid Maybe hyperlinks should be underlined.

voretaq7

@ewwhite <vampire hiss>

@WesleyDavid Comedy News Network!

WesleyDavid

@ewwhite Oh wow, totally missed that. Am I the only one who can't see a visible difference?

Am I color blind?

Cole

you're a cat

WesleyDavid

8:56 PM

Maybe that's why I can't coordinate pants and shirts.

voretaq7

@WesleyDavid no, our colors just suck.

Cole

@WesleyDavid that's because you're a straight man

WesleyDavid

@Cole Tell that to @voretaq7. =(

I'm not gay; all the people who want to date me are. =(

Cole

@WesleyDavid @voretaq7 is a straight man who likes men

voretaq7

@Cole gayest cat ever.

@Cole yes, yes I am.

WesleyDavid

8:57 PM

Sexually confused, frustrated, and deranged cat is sexually confused, frustrated, and deranged.

I think that could become a meme. Do you think it could become a meme? I think it could become a meme.

84104

@WesleyDavid "Breaking news: Tonight at eleven, see why these men are gay for wanting pussy."

Cole

@voretaq7 and I'm a gay man who likes women

ewwhite

So @voretaq7 @freiheit Should we downgrade? (hell-naw)

freiheit

@ewwhite Well, that depends...

@ewwhite Do you want an unsupportable security nightmare?

WesleyDavid

@ewwhite Never heard of that site actually. Can you talk about how much traffic they actually get? Like, what kind of infrastructure we talking about? Couple front ends? Couple back ends?

freiheit

9:00 PM

@ewwhite It's kind of like "Should I drink half this plastic bottle of vodka?"... Well, maybe, if you want the worst headache of your life you should...

ewwhite

@WesleyDavid ESXi cluster, four physical DB nodes... 8 web heads.

Zeus load balancers

WesleyDavid

@ewwhite Huh, bigger than I thought, but still not enormous. Checking Quanta...

https://www.quantcast.com/globalpost.com

Ranked 1310

Directly measured!

1.9M uniques globally per month

ewwhite

I don't know enough about PHP apps... except sometimes people seem to exhibit poor form in developing them... and they break when the new version comes out.

WesleyDavid

Roughly 35 to 40k uniques per day.

Meh.

Looks like they're in a slump for traffic.

Maybe that's because they're getting hacked like a wet paper bag!

tombull89

does php-5.2.17 have any huge major flaws?

ewwhite

9:04 PM

@WesleyDavid Because the Supermicro servers all failed over the weekend.

WesleyDavid

@ewwhite This is like an 8 month trend of traffic going down.

The site isn't that old, only like three years old? At least, traffic wasn't anything to talk about until like 2010.

How do sites like that start up, is what I want to know.

ewwhite

Dunno...

so it appears that they are using a php 5.4.15 from the webtatic repo

(I detest the random repos people decide to install)

84104

@ewwhite Repo is odd, but that version of php more in danger of being unstable than outdated.

ewwhite

The remi repo is pretty solid, right?

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Q: How do I upgrade to PHP 5.4 in CentOS 6.3 with yum?

I found some blog posts about this, but it's rather lack of descriptions on possible side effects. I could really use some detailed on these steps: How to add a repo that provides PHP 5.4 into yum Can this seamlessly replaces the current PHP version in CentOS? How can I switch back to the offi...

linux php centos yum centos6

84104

I'm not very knowledgeable about many things, that includes RedHat land.

freiheit

9:13 PM

@ewwhite Only one I trust on servers is EPEL

ewwhite

@freiheit I use EPEL and repoforge (selectively). Remi has been needed once or twice.

Sysadmin1138 Expounds

9:24 PM

SysAdmin1138 Expounds: Writing job-postings

posted on June 21, 2013 by SysAdmin1138

This crossed my bows recently: Tech Companies That Only Hire Men It's a job-shaming tumblr for job-postings that are written in a certain style: He will be responsible for maintaining documentation relating to the PDP-2X and repair fax machines as...

Jacob

@freiheit EEEEEEEPELLLLL

Dammit Kickstarter, I keep finding cool stuff to back :(

kickstarter.com/projects/bolt/…

Back that...

Tanner

3000mAh seems a little low...

Jacob

9:40 PM

Not in that form factor

voretaq7

@Jacob do they say the size anywhere?

ah - Dimensions 70mm x 34mm x 28mm (2.75" x 1.33" x 1.10")

that's....kinda big.

Jacob

@voretaq7 got a better choice?

Tanner

@Jacob I just got this off kickstarter: amazon.com/External-Battery-Pack-Limeade-L130X/dp/B00BZD6QCW/…

quite like it

Jacob

@Tanner I think that's a winner...

voretaq7

@Tanner 4.5 x 3.1 x 0.9 inches -- that's POSITIVELY MASSIVE.

Tanner

9:53 PM

@voretaq7 oh yeah, it's bigger than my phone...

voretaq7

I mean yes it's also 4x the capacity

but given the choice? I'd take the bolt :P

Tanner

haha

I wanted to charge an iPad 2 with it though

Jacob

@Tanner no included charger

voretaq7

Make for me please a battery the size of my pen

Jacob

@Tanner it's another 10$...

voretaq7

9:55 PM

Tanner

@Jacob so far it's worked with my other chargers

Jacob

@Tanner Got a 2A charger laying around?

Tanner

@Jacob a few lol

voretaq7

wow... my pen doesn't look nearly as beat up in that picture as it does in in real life :P

Jacob

@voretaq7 Nice shirt... How old are you? 14?

Tanner

9:58 PM

oh, $10 discount code for the big-ass battery: 8K8Q6STW

voretaq7

@Jacob I happen to like this shirt. I will wear it at the bar tonight while drinking my beer and mentally mocking you for being unable to purchase your own alcohol :)

Jacob

@voretaq7 I've got no desire to purchase/consume alcohol..

Tanner

@Jacob GTFO

voretaq7

@Jacob well... that's going to limit your career as a sysadmin.

:-)

Jacob

mycestro.com

Tanner

9:59 PM

no desire?