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9:00 PM
You need either some Steenrod operations shit or the Thom class
I proved it in last semester's seminar
I think I lost most of the people while chasing some diagrams... Oh well.
 
Zach: It seems NOT to be true. @Meow
 
Lotta algebra/geometry in these realms. I guess I am too fond of pictures
 
True or false: The fold line segment crosses the diagonal perpendicular to it at the center of the rectangle.
You've changed a lot, Balarka :)
 
@BalarkaSen Well, the result of that proof is the most picturesque thing I've done in ages haha
 
Is that what you get after first fold?
 
9:03 PM
Working with all these higher-dimensional manifolds has kind of moved me away from pictures, regrettably.
 
Didn't work, Zach. I got a zoinks.
 
My business is mostly factorizing polynomials...
@TedShifrin So did I
 
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:(
 
@TedShifrin I have, like 4 months before a Riemannian geometry conference I signed up for. So I need to learn geometry at some point before that anyway!
Well, not conference. Workshop
 
9:04 PM
Zach: The circumcenter of the isosceles triangle is the center of the original rectangle. And the distance from that to the last vertex (end of fold segment) is clearly different.
 
Is that what you get after the first fold?
 
@Balarka: You get to sign up for workshops? Cool.
 
All of these constructions come from some geometric idea. You can (more or less) always reconstruct then with pictures.
 
@BalarkaSen Oh, cool! Where is it; India?
 
I can more or less prove that you can do all of homotopy theory inside of smooth manifolds. I'm sure this is a well-known folk theorem.
 
9:06 PM
^really? that sounds good
No idea what it precisely means though
 
I guess, Zach. I'm now working with an actual labeled diagram on paper.
 
@Ted Sort of... I wasn't too keen on moving my ass. @Danu Yep.
 
Zach: Label the rectangle ABCD, fold C over to A.
 
I am curious about the theorem Mike refers to too.
 
@Ted I have a new way of phrasing this
Do a fold so that $C$ lands on $A$
then one such that $B$ lands on $D$
 
9:08 PM
OK, I don't want to obliterate my drawing with that yet.
Can we finish my discussion?
 
Sure.
 
So we folded along EF (E on BC, F on AD).
D goes to D', C goes to C'=A. B and E sit there.
 
Huh? What are $E$ and $F$?
 
They're the endpoints of the fold line segment.
 
Okay, so what do you mean by "fold line segment" Because I think that's where we mixed up.
 
9:12 PM
You're folding along a line. I mean the points on that line on the sides AD and BC of the rectangle.
E is on BC, F is on AD.
 
look, i got this crazy idea to shape off flesh off me to feed it homeless people, so they get stronger
i would do it, but i fear the pain
 
get a psychiatrist
 
@TedShifrin Have you ever thought about/looked at these theorems uniquely characterizing $\Bbb CP^n$ given as few as possible conditions on cohomology? Kind of nice...
 
@BalarkaSen they couldn't help me either
 
Nope, totally not the style of mathematics I was interested in, @Danu.
 
9:14 PM
@Ted, Yeah that's different than what I had
 
Hmm, okay. Not enough differential forms to get your hands dirty with? ;)
 
It doesn't mean anything very exciting. Take it as meaning that you can almost always find geometric constructions for anything you do homotopically. Cohomology as maps from smooth manifolds, pullback of classes as transverse pullback. Cup product as intersection (literally). I'm sure there's a good way of doing Steenrod squares.
 
I first folded $A$ to $C$, then $B$ to $D$
 
@Danu: If you look at my papers, there's a lot of very classical sorts of diff and alg geo in there.
 
Ah, alright
 
9:16 PM
Could you try that?
 
@MeowMix You fold A to C along a line
That's the EF Ted's talking about
 
Zach, oh wait. I forgot the second fold, didn't I? I'm supposed to now fold along the perpendicular bisector of the first fold?
That won't be folding on BD !!
And it will send D' to B. So I'll have a triangle, as i originally said!!!
 
Ahhhh let me just make a gif
 
No, stop.
I folded C to A, then fold on the perpendicular bisector of the first fold, right?
 
Just to verify, the first fold is the one that is perpendicular to $AC$, right?
 
9:18 PM
If you look at triangle ABD', it's isosceles, and that perpendicular bisector is the perpendicular bisector of BD', so we'll fold D' on top of B.
Yes.
And then we fold on AC.
So, as my experiment showed, I end up with a triangle, not a quadrilateral.
notes crickets
 
oh hey, so ted, I haven't forgot about meeting for spring break, unfortunately I have a lot of work this break
 
Wait one second, please.
 
I guess I don't know how to do it for Sq^1
 
LOL, no problem, @Dair.
 
catch you guys later lol.
 
9:25 PM
Bubye!
 
If I have a Kahler-Einstein metric on $X$ and I have a complex submanifold $Y$, is it also Kahler-Einstein?
It's Kahler, of course. But Einstein? Probably not, I'm guessing.
since otherwise all projective manifolds should be Kahler-Einstein
 
Oh wait. Maybe AC isn't the perpendicular bisector of BD'. How did I think it was?
 
@Danu This might be in Chen's survey of Riemannian manifolds
 
No, Zach, although I'm not sure how I saw it before (other than experimentally), I now have a careful proof that BD' is parallel to the fold, i.e., perpendicular to AC, so D' folds onto B.
@Danu: Of course not.
Right, you gave the right justification.
 
@Danu arxiv.org/pdf/1307.1875.pdf page 159 has some known cases for which this is true
(at least, I'm guessing. My Riemannian geometry is very rusty)
 
9:36 PM
@Danu This is the sort of thing Ted is great for. :D
Ted's specialty is things that live inside of other things.
 
Hehe
 
extrinsic geometry is le cool geometry
unfortunately it's too hard for me
 
@MikeMiller I think that was a gratuitous insult.
 
That sounds like a biologist specializing in bacteria
 
@Danu: The Calabi conjecture would say that $c_1$ is represented by a Kähler-Einstein metric, but when is it the induced metric? That only happens if $c_1$ is the hyperplane class.
 
9:42 PM
@Ted In your example, the second fold is where $B$ meets $D'$, right?
 
@TedShifrin Hm? There was no intended insult.
 
Yes, we fold along AC for the second fold, Zach, so B meets D' (I now have nailed that down by looking at angles — maybe there was a more obvious way which I saw an hour ago).
 
@TedShifrin That's not quite true; it only says that for $c_1 \geq 0$.
 
@Ted I don't see how you still get a triangle then
 
Oh, good point, @MikeM. Nevertheless, it is rare.
 
9:43 PM
Agreed.
 
Because I end up with vertices A=C', B=D', and E only, Zach.
Neverthless, @MikeM, every piece of published research I've done is regarding submanifolds or subvarieties in some sense or other. Perhaps families thereof.
 
I don't think there are any explicit CY metrics except for flat metrics.
@TedShifrin Yeah, that's what I was referring to. I meant no hnarm.
 
I was teasing, @MikeM. Not to worry.
 
Let me tell you the vertices of my quadrilateral
 
no hnarm done, I guess
 
9:45 PM
So, our first fold gives us a pentagon
 
ipad malfunction
 
Whose vertices are $E,F$ (endpoints of fold),$B,D',A$ (only $A$)
Right?
 
@BalarkaSen I now just like saying hnarm
 
Yup, Zach.
@MikeM: My hnarm is sore.
 
Now, I fold across the, well, angle bisector of $\angle BAD'$
So $B$ lands on $D'$
 
9:47 PM
which is AC !!
 
Yes, it is $AC$
So now my points are
 
so we get F=E, B=D', and A=C'.
 
But you forgot about the point where our fold intersects $EF$
That gives another point.
 
Oh, right, the center point of the rectangle.
 
Mhm.
 
9:49 PM
Got it.
Duh.
 
Sorry if I over-complicated this :P
 
No, but we wasted a lot of time thinking that B and D' would end up different.
 
All you have to do from there is notice that there are two opposite right angles.
 
Correct. This is like one of my Lagrange multiplier problems in chapter 5 :P
Sorry I wasted all your time. :)
 
It's fine. I'm going to go read some of section 5 :]
 
9:50 PM
Is there always a holo. line bundle realizing every class in $H^2(X;\Bbb Z)$?
 
Adios!
 
See ya, Zach. Nice problem!!!
Sure, @Danu.
Oh wait. Only on a Riemann surface.
 
I'm sure I'm being stupid, but why?
Oh, okay
So I found the following
 
It depends on $h^{0,2}$.
 
Aren't H^2(X; Z) in 1-1 correspondence with complex line bundles on X?
 
9:52 PM
complex, not holomorphic
 
Ah, ok. Scurrying off...
 
LOL ... There's the cokernel $H^2(\mathscr O)/H^2(\Bbb Z)$ to consider.
 
Assume $X^n$ has an ample line bundle $L$ and $c_1(M)\geq (n+1)c_1(L)$. Then Kobayashi & Ochiai proved that $X$ is $\Bbb CP^n$. Now, I'm constantly seeing the claim that if $c_1(X)>0$ has divisibility $n+1$, it is $\Bbb CP^n$. So that seems to imply you can always finda line bundle realizing the generator.
But why?
 
I'm not going to stop to work this out right now (I want to be watching Federer play), but presumably we're going to invoke Kodaira vanishing somewhere.
 
I'm always watching the Fed
 
9:55 PM
Email me a detailed version of this question, @Danu.
He's on right now.
 
I know!
 
@Danu I'm not sure I believe that. What if $c_1(X)$ is negative?
 
Well, I'm in my office, not in the living room with the TV. Bye!
 
It's great he broke back for 5-5... I was afraid for a little while!
@MikeMiller Sorry, my bad! I assume Fano
 
What does Fano mean? Sorry.
 
9:56 PM
$c_1(X)>0$
 
The canonical bundle is ample then
 
Same Fano from the Fano plane, I'd guess?
 
@MikeMiller Ah, in this case it's alwyas the canonical bundle
is that what you're saying?
 
oh, no, I'm confused
sorry
 
Yeah, right. It's $-K$ that is ample
but its $c_1$ is just that of $X$ itself
 
9:58 PM
Yeah, we want something that gives 1/n of that
1/(n+1)
 
exactly
 
This is a nice question. I'm not sure what to do.
Am I allowed to use big theorems?
 
It has to be easy; everybody jsut straight refers to the original paper without explanation on how to modify the statement
@MikeMiller Yeah
 
What's the original paper?
 
They prove the statement I gave first
With the $1/(n+1)$ class being realized by a line bundle by assumption
 
10:00 PM
I can't load that for some reason
Was it before the 80s?
 
Yeah
You can use Kodaira's theorems but not much more probably :D
 
Was it before 77?
 
yes, 71* (published 73)
what theorem is 77?
 
Kahler-Einstein metrics. But I messed up. You don't always have those when $c_1 > 0$.
 
Nope :\
which theorem from 77 on KE metrics are you referencing though? :P
@TedShifrin What a nail-biter tie-break!!!
 
10:03 PM
@Danu Yau
I wanted to assume I had such a metric and go from there.
 
OK
I think people would mention that, if just referencing the paper by K-O
 
I'll fiddle with this for ten minutes then I gotta get back to work.
@Danu A complex structure on a line bundle $E$ is given by a complex connection $\overline{\partial}: \Omega^0(E) \to \Omega^{0,1}(E)$ satisfying $\overline \partial^2 = 0$. Complex connections are affine over $\Omega^{0,1}(\text{End}(E)) = \Omega^{0,1}(M)$. There is a natural correspondence (connection on line bundle E) -> (connection on line bundle $E^{\otimes n}$), which if you pick a base connection $A_0$ on $E$ should be $(A_0 + a) \mapsto A_0^{\otimes n} + na$.
 
Sure...
I'm looking for holomorphic line bundles though
 
Holomorphic structure. Sorry.
 
Okay
 
10:12 PM
Assuming $E^{\otimes n}$ is holomorphic means I can solve the equation $F_{A_0^{\otimes n} + na} = 0$ in $a$. This equation is literally just $F_{A_0^{\otimes n}} + nd_{A_0^{\otimes n}} a = F_{A_0^{\otimes n}} + nda$. That you can find a way to set this to zero means that $F_{A_0^{\otimes n}} = - nda$ for some choice of $a$.
 
okay
 
I think it should be true that $F_{A_0^{\otimes n}}$ should also be $nF_{A_0}$, so that by taking the exact same $a$ you solve the equivalent equation on $E$, obtaining a holomorphic structure on it
In particular this means that if $E$ is a holomorphic line bundle, so are any positive roots of it, yeah?
 
But where are you going with this? Do you propose to find some line bundle $L$ such that $K^{-1}=L^n$?
 
To say that $c_1(X)$ is divisible by $(n+1)$ means that there is literally a complex line bundle with $E^{\otimes (n+1)} = -K$
 
Ah, a complex one, yes
 
10:16 PM
And the above is attempting to say that I can take roots of the appropriate connections
 
And you want to argue that you can even get it to be holomorphic
 
Hm, I think it might be the case that $F_{A_0}^{\otimes n} = n^2 F_{A_0}$
But whatever the formula is a similar argument works
 
No, it shouldn't be
Since the first chern class is the trace, and is additive
 
Good call
I think you should try to do this carefully, because I'm not assured of my logic; I haven't thought about this in a while
 
Yeah, thanks anyways. Sounds like a step in the right direction.
 
10:21 PM
Actually everything there works fine. I was scared about being able to do this for $n = -1$, but no, every holomorphic line bundle's inverse is still holomorphi
 
yeah
 
The formulas I wrote there are more or less irrelevant. The point is that the map $\mathcal A_E \to \mathcal A_{E^{\otimes n}}$ is an isomorphism, so you can just take the nth root of a connection at will
The formulas are just there to show that the nth root of a holomorphic thing is still holomorphic
 
10:33 PM
Does anyone know where I could get my hands on a paper where they prove that the two different definitions of the Mandelbrot set: namely the orbit of 0 being bounded with respect to the polynomial P_c and that the corresponding Julia set of P_c being connected are equal?
 
Are you asking for a reference, or just about how to get access to a reference?
 
Any paper would suffice; I tried looking at the references on the Wikipedia articles on the Mandelbrot set and the Julia set as well as trying to search for such a paper online but all sources seemed to make the claim of the sets being equal without any actual proof.
 
10:50 PM
It seems a bit specialized topic, alas. You'll probably have to keep pushing with google-fu.
I imagine it's what the Wikipedia page references here: "As a consequence of the definition of the Mandelbrot set, there is a close correspondence between the geometry of the Mandelbrot set at a given point and the structure of the corresponding Julia set. For instance, a point is in the Mandelbrot set exactly when the corresponding Julia set is connected."
 
Yeah, that's what I'm trying to look a proof for.
 
Hmm, this chapter refers to it as "Mandlebrot's criterion" (page 11): math.bard.edu/belk/math323s11/JuliaSets.pdf
 
Hi @Semiclassical
 
So it might go back to Mandlebrot's initial papers on the matter.
hi @MeowMix
 
@Semiclassical yeah I found that one but it has no reference
 
10:57 PM
True, alas.
 
"By a theorem of Fatou and Julia (1919), Kc is connected if 0 ∈ Kc; otherwise, it is a Cantor set."
Now I just have to get my hands on that theorem
 
hmm, neat.
 
How would I teach someone how to simplify radicals? Using $\sqrt{80}=4\sqrt5$ as an example
 
@Akiva Try to decompose it into squares
Like, does $80$ have any perfect square factors? Yes, $16$ is one
So we split it to $\sqrt{80} = \sqrt{16 * 5} = \sqrt{16}\sqrt{5} = 4\sqrt{5}%$
 
@MeowMix Assume we won't instantly notice that $16$ is a factor
 
11:02 PM
Then just look at the factors
And see if any factors are repeated
If they are, you can decompose them into squares
@AkivaWeinberger The rest of the factors make up your radicand
 
i visited my neighbour, he has very nice teeth and gave me a lesson in being responsible
 
11:25 PM
...Today I learned about things called the "altitude rule" and "leg rule"
(both of which I can derive from similar triangles, I guess)
 
@Akiva Want to hear a little problem I proposed to my geometry class?
 
So, take a rectangle
Then, fold it so that one of the vertices meets the opposite vertex
Finally, fold along the perpendicular bisector of the fold you created
This will give a quadrilateral. Prove it's cyclic (I phrased it as "all 4 vertices lie on a single, unique circle")
It shouldn't be too hard for you.
 
I don't get your question. If you do that to a square, you get the original 4 vertices and the middle point of the square. What is a quadrilateral here?
 
@Rubertos That's a special case
 
So I guess the take home message is: do not use mobile phones when you are in the bed at night
 
Then you have to modify your question..
 
OK, Geez.
 
11:46 PM
@Secret except if you are one of "those" guys...
 
@Secret Easier said then done :P
@MeowMix I'm not sure I follow either
Can you draw an example?
 
Do you have a piece of 8x11.5 paper?
 
Given $\sigma(x)=\frac{e^x}{e^x+1}$, show $\log\,\sigma(x)=-\zeta(-x)$ where $\zeta(x)=\int_{-\infty}^{x}\sigma(y)\,dy$
can someone give me a hint or suggestion to start this question
 
@Simple Change of variables / substitution?
i.e.e $u = e^x$, $\sigma(u) = \frac{u}{u+1}$?
@Akiva I can walk you through the process
 
ok
 
11:53 PM
sorry in advance for this one, but what has to be done has to be done
 

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