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12:00 AM
 
imagine the red robin jingle but instead of red robin they say "hot garbage", and that's what i said in re that link
 
"It is not an integral in the Lebesgue sense; it is called integration because it has analogous properties and since it is used in physics as a sum over histories for fermions, an extension of the path integral. "
 
aka it is not an integral but it is called an integral because physics
 
I think calling it 'integration' is best thought of us a notational convenience.
Weirdly, there's also an article on Berezin integrals : en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berezin_integral
 
12:03 AM
@Mike Wouldn't surprise me too much, it seems most of our people are into geometry
 
And there it talks about it as a certain kind of linear functional.
 
You can be doing geometry and be doing operator algebras :)
 
on a nonexistent vector space?
:P
 
Hi. I have a little question about limits. I want to prove by $\epsilon-\delta$ definition, the following limit is 0: $$\displaystyle\lim_{(x,y)\to(0,0)} \left(\left(x^2+7y^4\right)sin\left(\frac{1}{xy}\right)\right)$$. I thought in using the result of sum of limits.
I.e: consider $\lim\displaystyle \:_{\left(x,y\right)\to \:\left(0,0\right)\:}\left(x^2sin\left(\frac{1}{xy}\right)\right)$ and $\lim \:_{\left(x,y\right)\to \:\left(0,0\right)\:}\left(7y^4sin\left(\frac{1}{xy}\right)\right)$
I don't think is correct since I don't know that the desired limit exists, so I can't apply it, right?
 
12:07 AM
hi @ted
 
hi @TedShifrin
 
@Topologicalife: Right. What happens when $x=0$ or $y=0$?
Hi @Semiclassic & Zach
 
Hey @Semiclassical, I added more useful info to the question I had: math.stackexchange.com/questions/2200806/a-positive-harmonic-function
I think I almost solved it :D
 
Neat.
 
@TedShifrin the limit doesn't exist.
Err.
 
12:09 AM
@Topoological life: In order for the limit to exist, must you not have a domain of something like $0<x^2+y^2<\delta^2$?
 
Yeah, I mean, I proved that $\lim\displaystyle \:_{\left(x,y\right)\to \:\left(0,0\right)\:}\left(x^2sin\left(\frac{1}{xy}\right)\right) = 0$ and the other one too. But I don't think I can conclude.
 
Hi @Ted
 
Um, no you did NOT.
Hi @MikeM
 
Why? what do you mean?
 
Are quotients of first-countable spaces first countable? I guess probably not in general.
 
12:11 AM
Read what I just typed above, @Topologicalife.
 
Hey @Ted!
 
@MikeM: I guess it depends whether the bases are saturated, or something.
Hi Demonark.
 
I don't wanna think about this stuff.
 
Yeah, I did. I proved this limit $\lim\displaystyle \:_{\left(x,y\right)\to \:\left(0,0\right)\:}\left(x^2sin\left(\frac{1}{xy}\right)\right)$ exists using the definition, with that domain.
 
Then you're wrong, @Topologicalife. What is the domain of that function?
 
12:12 AM
I.e: I did: $\left|x^2sin\left(\frac{1}{xy}\right)\right|=\left|x^2\right|\left|sin\left(\df‌​rac{1}{xy}\right)\right|\le \:\left|x^2\right|\le \:x^2+y^2\le \delta \:^2$
 
You're not listening to me. I'm getting tired of this.
 
Okay, let me see.
 
@MikeMiller Well, like, quotient a Z from R (actual subspace). You get an infinite wedge of circles; that's not 1st countable is it?
 
Given the hour, this must be a fake Balarka.
 
The domain is $\mathbb{R}^2 \setminus \{(0,0)\}$
 
12:13 AM
\setminus
 
@BalarkaSen Yeah gotcha
 
Thanks.
 
Look carefully, @Topologicalife. You're still not reading everything I've typed to you.
 
Is the leaf space always first countable? :P
 
Proof of the shoe-sock theorem: You can't homotope $\text{Sock}_\text{on}$ into $\text{Sock}_\text{in drawer}$ over the set $\text{Earth} \setminus (\text{Shoes} \cup \text{Foot})$
 
12:14 AM
Sorry @TedShifrin. Let me re-read it.
 
@TedShifrin Hm? I am usually awake at this hour
 
My guess is still no for foliations on noncompact manifolds that are wild at infty
 
An airplane has a speed of 450 mph with a bearing of 230
 
the wind is blowing 20 mph with a bearing of 100 degrees
 
12:14 AM
You also have domain problems, Zach. What is with the room today?
 
is the velocity of the ariplane 469.3?
 
When $x=0$ or $y = 0$ the sine term is not defined.
 
@MikeMiller Eh, I dunno
 
So consider a map $f:\mathbb{Z}\to\mathbb{Z}$ by $f(z) = \Im(z)^{\Re(z)}$
 
I have to write a language arts essay, due in an hour
 
12:16 AM
So the function is not defined on a punctured neighborhood of the origin. Therefore, unless you write the problem differently, the limit does not exist.
 
I guess that's probably pretty close to the idea of 4.1.12
 
Wait two hours to start it, Zach.
 
can u guys help me with this
 
Oh, wait, you are right.
 
@Ted Good point! Then I'll have 2 more hours to do math and still have -1 hours left to write it!
Also, god damn my wrist hurts so much
 
12:16 AM
By induction, you'll never write it.
 
write your essay
 
I did <450cos25,450sin25> to find the velocity of the airplane
without the winds interference
 
It's hard to type
 
and engage w/ the literature
dictate it to a secretary, then
 
essays are damn cool. i can write whatever in them
 
12:17 AM
"Dear teacher, I couldn't type my essay because of my wrist problems. Regards, Zach"
 
Where did you get 25º, @MATHASKER.
 
because 230-180 is 50
and as bearing of is always measured from the x axis
 
Huh?
 
wait I'll send a pic
 
Bearing is measured from the north ... that is the x-axis? to me, it's the positive y-axis.
 
12:18 AM
"Shakespeare was similar to postmodern European neo-surrealist poets, and used ideas from his contemporary dadaist Cervantes"
 
I don't need a pic.
I need correct math.
Why did you divide 50 by 2?
 
But @TedShifrin, $\sin{\dfrac{1}{xy}}$ is bounded. And the limit is to the origin.
 
@BalarkaSen lots of fun back in high school but as you grow you should probably engage with actual literary thought (like i never did)
 
@Topologicallife, you need to look up definitions.
 
Of course, I was exaggerating a bit.
 
12:21 AM
I took a dozen literature courses in college ... lots in French, one in German, some in English.
 
Yeah, I see what you mean.
 
I wonder when we can get you to start reading hegel and marx
 
I have a theorem: For every literary course @Ted took, he gained one eye.
 
If nothing else read Dante, he was my favorite literary piece last year (others, I liked more for the philosophy)
 
12:22 AM
Zach, get out of chat and go write your essay.
@MATHASKER: That picture is nonsense.
 
I have Marx-Engels in my home
Never read it.
 
@TedShifrin would I do 50 then?
 
Since my function isn't defined in $(0,y)$ and $(x,0)$ I can't find a $B_r(0, \epsilon)$ in the domain.
 
@MIke I am so hoping to read Hegel at some point, if I do nothing else in the philosophy department I'm hoping to do the classes on Hegel and Kant
 
Communist Manifesto?
 
12:22 AM
You do 50º west of south, yes.
 
but my teacher told me to always get a beraing from the x axis
 
@Daminark good!
i'm going to try to attend a class on early marx next quarter, but i'll only be able to make half the lectures
 
Darn :(
I'm gonna get a bit of Marx this spring in Classics
 
Fine, then @MATHASKER. So we have 230-90 clockwise from the positive x-axis.
 
This stuff is hardcore philosophy. Too hard.
I have some literary plans for the holidays up next, not sure how things will pan out
 
12:25 AM
Or you could pan for gold instead, Balarka.
 
I should quit math and do a PhD in philosophy. Then literature. Keep doing this until the bombs finally fall.
 
In particular I want to read more Spanish literature since they seem to be a compromise between the extreme dark symbolism, surrealist and chaotic things I like and the "aesthetic-surrealism" that I'm a big fan of
 
The nervous student dilemma: When you spend more time calculating how much time you have left, than actually doing the work you need to do.
 
@MikeM: You'll find that graduate stipends are far more plentiful in math than in either philosophy or literature.
 
Anyways, seriously, I'm leaving. Bye y'all.
 
12:27 AM
See you @Meow, good luck!
 
In English you'd have to teach beginning English composition.
 
Inversely proportional to beauty?
 
oh ok @TedShifrin
 
@MikeMiller It seems the argument they use is that the closure of the saturated is set is saturated by 11, so you look at a transversal to all those leaves. Those hit in something which is invariant under the holonomy group, so you use Zorn's lemma to find a minimal subset of that invariant under the holonomy group
 
yeah
 
12:29 AM
By holonomy group I meant the holonomy pseudo-group, not germinal one
 
I don't like that thing very much
too big
 
True.
I really think holonomy is a leaf-specific thing, telling stuff about nearby leaves and how everything looks
 
@MikeMiller Ouch
 
more money in whatever helps you make bombs yo
T. S. Eliot can't make you bombs
 
leninism might get you to make more bombs but then the societal benefit will just belong to the collective dictatorship of the proletariat
 
12:33 AM
lol
 
resigns and departs
 
@TedShifrin <3
 
@TedShifrin Can u help me by drawing a diagram
 
oh, actually I did read something by Marx and Engels. There are some letters they exchanged about the formalization of the derivative.
not a bad read.
 
Here is a problem if someone is bored: Consider the funcion $f : \mathbb{N} \to \mathbb{Z}$ defined as follows: $$f(n) = \begin{cases} -f\left(\frac{n}{2}\right) & \text{si }n\text{ is even}\\f(n-1) + 1 & \text{si } n \text{ is odd}\end{cases}$$ for $n\geq 0$. Prove that $f(n)$ is multiple of $3$ if and only if $n$ is multiple of $3$. Compute the smallest number that holds $f(n) = 2017$.
 
12:41 AM
Here is another problem: Is it true that the tensor product of two non-zero vectors in R^3 can't be a skew matrix?
 
I'd call that the kronecker product. and that should be true in R^n.
 
12:57 AM
@arctictern Do you know a proof of that?
 
write $(uv^T)^T=-uv^T$, rewrite left side as $vu^T$, notice both sides as operators must have the same kernels, which are $u^\perp$ and $v^\perp$ respectively, so $u$ and $v$ are parallel. write $u=\lambda v$, get $\lambda vv^T=-\lambda vv^T$, so $u=\lambda v=0$
 
Turns out it wasn't an essay
I just had to write a short story. EZPZ :]
 
1:13 AM
Hey is $\int_{C}z e^{1/z}dz = 0$ where $C$ is $|z| = 1$ ?
 
@arctictern I am trying to understand what you mean by kernel.
 
how do you know the words "tensor" and "skew" but not the word "kernel"?
 
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kronecker_product does not have the word kernel either.
 
neither does kernel (linear algebra) have the words "tensor" or "skew"
not sure what your point is
 
In linear algebra, the word null space is more common. Thanks for the answer.
 
1:19 AM
depends how abstract your linear algebra is
 
1:36 AM
> Therefore, $a(x_1-x) = b(y-y_1)$. That means that $a$ divides $b(y-y_1)$, and therefore $$\frac{a}{\gcd(a,b)}$$ divides $y-y_1$.
How?
 
@TedShifrin nvm i figured it out
 
@Fawad $a\mid bc \implies \frac{a}{(a,b)}\mid \frac{b}{(a,b)}c\implies \frac{a}{(a,b)}\mid c$
 
Got
 
1:57 AM
Hi @arctic
 
hello
 
How are you?
 
best friend from high school survived a brain aneurysm.
 
Statistics problem: Say that the parameter $\theta$ can only that on the value $\theta=1$ or $\theta=2$. The density function of a single observation, $X$, is $$f(x)=f(x;\theta)=\theta x^{\theta-1}$$ for $0<x<1$. Assume that $H_0: \theta=1$ will be rejected in favor of $H_1:\theta=2$ if $X>K$ (so critical region is C={$X>K$}. Evaluate $K$ for the critical region of size $\alpha$.
My attempt: $\alpha=P_{\theta_0}(X>K)$ which is same as $1-\alpha=P_{\theta_0}(X\le K)$. But $P_{\theta_0}(X\le K)$ is just the CDF of $X$ so $$1-\alpha=\int_{0}^K 1 dx = x\Big|_0^K \implies K=1-\alpha$$
 
Hey @Meow how'd the paper go?
 
2:10 AM
Good I guess
 
And @arctic I hope everything's alright
 
@arctictern Did he suffer any damage?
 
issues with motor function on left side. prognosis is full recovery though.
 
Thats good to hear
@Dami I really hope the math supervisor will reply
 
Fingers crossed
 
2:25 AM
And that she won't say no...
Life is fucking me over too much.
 
@arctictern while solving Diophantine equation , finding infinite integer solutions,isn't it like $x=x_1 +r\cos\theta , y=y_1 +r\sin\theta$ ?
 
what
 
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Q: How to find solutions of linear Diophantine ax + by = c?

ChanI want to find a set of integer solutions of Diophantine equation: $ax + by = c$, and apparently $\gcd(a,b)|c$. Then by what formula can I use to find $x$ and $y$ ? I tried to play around with it: $x = (c - by)/a$, hence $a|(c - by)$. $a$, $c$ and $b$ are known. So to obtain integer solutio...

 
if gcd(a,b) doesn't divide c, then no solutions. if gcd(a,b) divides c, then divide equation by gcd(a,b) so without loss of generality gcd(a,b)=1. solutions are then of the form (x,y)=(u+nb,v-na) where u,v are such that au+bv=1
 
Anyone a physics guy here ,I have a question on rotation al dynamics ?@Everybody
 
2:32 AM

 The h Bar

General chat for Physics SE (physics.stackexchange.com). For M...
 
Can anyone tell me why time of flight of the projectile is used here?
@Everybody
 
@satyatech for physics you can ask in this room , time of flight of projectile is used because motion of diameter is in projectile form (?)
@arctictern I think au+bv=c from extended Euclidean algorithm.
 
I can't understand what is motion of diameter.@fawad
@Fawad
@Everybody ,I understood the question ,thanks guys
 
2:54 AM
Let $a$ and $x$ be $n$-dimensional vectors, then prove that if $f(x) = a^T x$, then $\frac{\partial f(x)}{\partial x}=a$.
I don't understand this.
$a^T x$ should be a constant...
 
be specific
$a^Tx$ depends on the value of $x$ doesn't it?
so, not constant
 
I mean $1$-dimensional
 
I mean, consider $n=1$. Then $f(x)=ax$ is certainly not a constant function.
sure, $a^Tx$ is a scalar. what's your point?
 
how does a scalar turn into a vector from differentiation?
 
the gradient of a scalar function is $\left(\frac{\partial f}{\partial x_1},\cdots,\frac{\partial f}{\partial x_n}\right)^T$
 
2:58 AM
why is that a row vector? that's what I'm missing
 
okay, column vector, whatever
 
$f(x) = (a_1 x, \dots, a_n x)$ is a row vector, then differentiate point-wise gives a^T but then you need to transpose to make it column vector? why?
 
woah, $f(x)$ is not $(a_1x,\cdots,a_nx)$
that notation doesn't even make sense
$x$ is a vector, you don't want to put vectors inside the entries of a vector
 
$(a_1 x_1, \dots, a_n x_n)$
 
still no. $f(x)$ is not $(a_1x_1,\cdots,a_nx_n)$.
 
3:01 AM
?
wait
 
do you understand how to do matrix multiplication?
 
$\sum a_i x_i$
 
yes
$f(x)=a_1x_1+\cdots+a_nx_n$
aka the dot product
 
idk why i lose focus when in chat
anyway, I get it now
just forgot the gradient function
thanks
 
Hi.
@TedShifrin you there?
Does $ \displaystyle \lim_{(x,y)\to (0,0)} xy \sin{\dfrac{1}{xy}}$ exist?
By the same reason you gave me, It shouldn't exist, but actually it does.
 
3:07 AM
@Topologicalife Note that $|\sin \frac{1}{xy}| \le 1$
 
Yeah, I know.
But that limit it shouldn't exist by the reason Ted gave me.
The function is not defined in a neighbourhood of $(0,0)$.
 
So given some $\epsilon$, you can choose $\delta$ such that $\|(x,y)\| < \delta \implies |xy| < \epsilon$
Then $|xy\sin \frac{1}{xy}| \le |xy| < \epsilon$
The limit is $0$
 
"So the function is not defined on a punctured neighborhood of the origin. Therefore, unless you write the problem differently, the limit does not exist."
That is what Ted said me a few hours ago.
And the same thing happens here.
Yeah @Daminark, but note the function isn't defined in $B_r((0,0),\epsilon)$
 
I'll check back, but while the limit doesn't exist in the case of sin by itself, it very much does with this
No, but it is defined if you take out the origin, no?
$B_r((0,0),\epsilon)\setminus \{0,0\}$
 
No.
Because $(x,0)$ and $(0,y)$ give the same problem.
 
3:12 AM
Oh right... merp
I mean you can plug in values there
Like just declare it to be $0$
 
What is merp? :P
Yeah, we can redefine the function, but it is given in that mode, so...
That would be another different function (if we redefine it)
 
Well in that case you're dead
Like you have no limit
 
Nice.
Thanks :D
 
I'm right now in combinatorics/group theory mode, as well as tired, so note that analysis is likely to immediately make me brain fart
 
3:28 AM
Have any of you guys heard of the Zassenhaus lemma?
 
studying jordan-holder I assume
 
Yeah
So either I'm being a complete idiot or there's a typo in Rotman and I can't tell which is true
 
okay
 
So let's say $A\unlhd A^*$ and $B\unlhd B^*$ are all subgroups of some $G$. Now the first thing it does is to say that $A \unlhd A^* \cap B^*$, but why do we know that $A$ is even a subset of that intersection?
 
we don't, of course
 
3:34 AM
So it's definitely a typo, good I'm not going crazy
Now I can't well discern what it's supposed to be, for now I'd guess $A\cap B$?
 
best guess without the book in front of me
 
But it proceeds to say "and so $A\cap B^* = A\cap (A^* \cap B^*) \unlhd A^* \cap B^*$", which suggests an implication, but I'm not seeing why this uses that $A\cap B \unlhd A^* \cap B^*$
If it were true that $A\unlhd A^* \cap B^*$ then there would be this implication
 
3:53 AM
Wait hold on
I think they meant that $A^* \cap B^* \unlhd B^*$
It's a bit of a stretch but I think it checks out best
Actually I think I might be even more of an idiot
 
How can I formally mathematically 'the set $A$ doesn't meet $B$ so $A$ is closed?
 
yay i'm 14 lol
 
4:18 AM
Ah, I was missing details.
@MeowMix shouldn't you sleep?
:P
 
meh
@Topologicalife What do you mean by "meet"?
 
"cut"
 
what
 
Hello. o/
 
Dunno how to say it in english.
 
4:32 AM
Intersect, perhaps?
 
If I am one of 100 people in a room, and 10 people are picked (at random) sequentially, what are the chances I'll be picked? I managed to get two answers but don't know which is correct. Is it 1/10 or 1/9.55?
 
But I was proving that the Hilbert's cube $Q$ is compact. So first I showed it is closed: if $x \in \ell^2 \setminus Q$ defining $\epsilon = |x_n| - 1/n >0$ we have $B_{\epsilon}$ doesn't 'meet' $Q$.
 
Neither. @jhmckimm
Oh, wait. 10 people picked.
 
Oh boy.
 
Sorry, ignore me.
 
4:35 AM
Sure. xD
 
Yeah, 1/10.
 
That's the context of 'meet'.
 
But probably you want to know -why- it's not 1/9.55, and for that you'd need to describe your reasoning.
 
That was my initial thought, but when I thought about #10 being picked, I realised their chances are only 1/91
 
So intersect? @Topo
 
4:38 AM
Yeah, but what if the 9th one is it?
 
Well, whenever you want to do probability you need to count possible successes amid all possible outcomes.
 
Then the 10th does re matter at all!
 
Yeah, I think so, I think I can write $Q \cap B_{\epsilon} = \emptyset$
 
Note: It is -not- as simple as 10/100.
 
doesnt8
 
4:39 AM
...I say that, and then my quick calculation for 11 people gives 11/100 as the probability. :/
 
xD
I have jury service in about 5 hours. Am curious about the chances/probability of me having to waste my week.
 
Showing $Q \cap B_{\epsilon} = \emptyset$ is enough to show $Q$ is closed I suppose.
 
Wouldnt it be $\frac{\binom{99}{9}}{\binom{100}{10}}$?
 
4:40 AM
Ye.
 
More generally, if you picked k out of 100 people then the probability of being in that group is $\binom{99}{k-1}/\binom{100}{k}$.
Buuut that's the same as $\frac{99!}{100!}\frac{k!}{(k-1)!}=\frac{k}{100}$.
Which suggests there's some obvious reason why it works as just "k out of 100".
(It being out of 100 is also irrelevant. If it's $k$ out of $n$ people you'd get $k/n$.)
 
Hmm.
It's too early on a Monday morning to be thinking. :(
 
That feeling when you prove some theorem that you thought you can't prove is like having ***.
 
@Topologicalife ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
 
4:52 AM
Well, thanks for clearing that up for me. 1/10 is better than 1/9.{whatever}, so I'll take it. :P
 
 
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6:21 AM
> You plan to test all pairwise comparisons among 4 means. What is the critical value after a Bonferroni adjustment needed to maintain an experiment-wise Type I error rate of 0.05?
I wonder how one calculates the number of comparisons among 4 means.
 
6:35 AM
Hello everyone
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6:45 AM
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Q: Height of hcp unit cell

TrY iS CheMHow can we find the height of hcp unit cell ? 1. Each basal plane has nearest neighbor atoms making equilateral triangles. So, a=2R (where R is the sphere radius). #2. Each atom at height c/2 above the basal plane is positioned directly above the centroid of the triangles in the base plane. Fo...

I have shown my work
But why it is not answered
 
Why did you use so much boldface type?
 
no one is noticing that the chat had been inactive for over a year
 
I noticed.
 
7:06 AM
So did I ;-)
 
twins?
 
identical
 
7:31 AM
Is there any formula for finding number of maximal ideals in a given Quotient Ring ?
 
How is $SL(n-1,\mathbb{R}) \times \mathbb{R}$ a subgroup of $SL(n,\mathbb{R})$?
 
(A,t) mapsto e^t A oplus e^{-t}
e^{t/(n-1)} i guess
 
Has anyone ever seen this definition of O(n)? math.stackexchange.com/questions/2204819/…
 
7:50 AM
Hey
 
Heya.
 
How's it going?
 
Chillin', you?
 
@Daminark Do you sleep?
 
What is sleep? Is that when I work on homework for classes besides analysis?
7
Lol jk I'm prob gonna go to sleep soon
Just not tired enough yet
I'll stare at the letter $\epsilon$ for a little while, maybe that'll do it
 
7:59 AM
@MikeMiller Thank you! I think this will work.
 
You've gotta rescale the first e^t but otherwise yeah
 
@daminark you don't even have homework yet though.
 
lol
 
::chuckles::
 
8:47 AM
@MikeMiller Damn, I can't get it to work. For example $SL(2,\mathbb{R}) \times \mathbb{R} \to SL(3,\mathbb{R})$ via $(A,t) \mapsto \begin{pmatrix}e^t A & 0 \\ 0 & e^{1-t}\end{pmatrix}$ just doesn't work to give an additive homomorphism.
 
hi
need to calculate
det(A - x I).
how to stat
Identity matrix has 1s on the main diagonal
@abenthy
 

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