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2:05 PM
@Chris'ssis Now we know you live in a house and not an apartment.
 
@JasperLoy Yeah, that's true.
 
@Chris'ssis Are you living with your family or with strangers?
@teadawg1337 You still don't remember even after waking up? That is very strange.
 
@JasperLoy Most of the time I live with my dogs only.
 
@Chris'ssis Then it must be terribly expensive to rent the whole house!
 
@JasperLoy It's my house, and it's not that expensive.
 
2:14 PM
@Chris'ssis OK. That means you are rich! I would imagine a house costs a lot.
 
@JasperLoy lol, no, I'm not rich.
@JasperLoy Well, my only treasure is my mind and my thoughts.
 
@Jasper Yup, don't remember falling asleep at all.
 
2:38 PM
Is topology fun?
 
Huy
No.
 
No?
 
Huy
@JasperLoy: Houses in the US aren't very expensive.
@beginner: IMO, not at all.
 
Today was the day I got the most points in MSE in my life.
well, I didn't actually get them
 
What do you find fun Buy?
huy*
Sorry spell checker
 
2:40 PM
but if I keep up I'd probably be over $400$ by the end of the day
 
Huy
@beginner: Football.
 
Is that game theory?
:P
 
Huy
No, I haven't studied Game theory yet.
 
What do you find fun in math?
 
Huy
Nothing. Mathematics is a very serious issue.
 
2:42 PM
Yet I get no serious responses
 
Huy
I am being very serious.
 
You find not one topic fun in math??
Okaychange fun forineresting
Change fun to inserting
Oh you know what I mean
 
Huy
Inserting???
A lot of mathematics is inserting, imo.
 
What area of math do you find most interesting
 
Huy
But I don't find topology very inserting.
Complex analysis is very inserting.
 
2:44 PM
You are unhelpful
 
Huy
Now you're just being mean.
 
I am not mean, I am above average
 
@huy I found topology rather inserting after my last exam
 
Huy
Do you have any proof?
@JorgeFernández: A colonoscopy exam?
 
lets just say a couldn't walk for a week.
 
Huy
2:46 PM
Very inserting indeed.
 
:(
 
Huy
@beginner: I told you one inserting area: Complex analysis.
 
What about c-a do you find inserting?
 
Huy
The proofs are elegant and easy to understand, the theorems have incredibly powerful applications. That is not often the case.
 
I have seen very little c-a, but I have access to rudins real and complex, is it any good?
 
Huy
2:48 PM
I don't know, I haven't read Rudin's book.
 
@JORGE so you are the topology master her?
here
 
@beginner No, it was a joke, I'm going to take toloplogy next semester, perhaps I can be of use then.
 
Dory for nenh rude buy, I confused you with hat man
Sorry for beingrude huy*
 
@robjohn If I get over $200$ rep will the remaining be added tomorrow?
 
Why does the union of all subsets need to be in the topology/
 
2:52 PM
Hey @TedShifrin :) Could you take a look at this?
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Q: How could we show that the abelian group has $\text{ rank}=0$?

evindaLet $E/ |Q$ the elleiptic curve $Y^2=X^3+p^2X$ with $p \equiv 5 \pmod 8$. Show that the abelian group $E(\mathbb{Q})$ has $\text{ rank}=0$. Could you give me a hint how we could do this? It is known that if $E|_{\mathbb{Q}} Y^2=X^3+aX+b \ \ (a,b \in \mathbb{Z}, D(f) \neq 0)$ then: $$E(\mathbb...

 
@Beginner what do you mean?
If we take a topology on $X$, why does $X$ needs be in the topology?
 
Pretty much we need the powerset of a set to be in the topolohy
I wish I had a keyboard ;(
 
@evinda what is the rank of an abelian group?
 
e.g. any union of elements or a topology need to also be in the topology, what is special about this?
Or is that wrong @student
 
@JorgeFernández It is an abelian group A is the cardinality of a maximal linearly independent subset. Do we have to find $E(\mathbb{Q})_{\text{torsion}}$ and then the number of elements it has is the rank we are looking for?
 
2:57 PM
@Beginner I am not sure I get what you mean. You mean that if we have some topology $J$ on $X$, and $A,B\in J$, why does $A\cup B$ must be in $J$?
 
@evinda I see, I'm afraid I can't help you.
 
Is this correct first @student. $a,b,c\in T$ where $T$ is a topology implies $\{a,b\},\{a,c\},\{b,c\},\{a,b,c\}\in T$?
And therefore $\{a,\{a,b\}\}\in T$ etc?
 
@TedShifrin Did you take a look at it? Do we have to find $E(\mathbb{Q})_{\text{torsion}}$ and then the number of elements it has is the rank we are looking for?
 
@evinda he might not be in front of the chat ...
 
@Hippalectryon Yes, it seems so... :)
 
3:11 PM
Is professor here? Does he do topology? i know he does really hard geometry and algebra stuff, does that make himan algebraic geometer?
 
@Beginner well the first is true, I am not sure the latter is true - $a\cup \{a,b\}= \{a,b\}$ if I am not silly-mistaken. If $a,b,c\in T$ then $a,b,c\subseteq X$ where $X$ is the set of points the topoogy $T$ is defined upon. But $\{a,\{a,b\}\}$ doesn't really make sense as subset of $X$ then I'd say.
 
How would you define a nonlinear bounded operator?
 
But then again I tend to get confused with these things.
 
A bounded linear operator is given as.
How is a nonlinear bounded operator generally defined?
 
I think you are right my second thing was wrong since I never said that $\{a,b\}\in T$ but ithink your $a \cup \{a,b\}$ was wrong, it should still be $a\cup \{a,b\}=\{a,\{a,b\}\}$
But I might be wrong @ted @kaj
 
3:15 PM
@Moses Maps bounded sets to bounded sets is iirc the common definition.
 
Is that true Daniel $a\cup \{a,b\}=\{a,\{a,b\}\}$?
 
@DanielFischer Yeah I thought so, there are a number of others one which people suggested on MSE post, see.
 
@beginner $\cup$ is used between two sets. $a\cup\{\dots\}$ implies that $a$ is a set.
 
@beginner No, that cannot be.
 
Cup can't union an element?
It only takes the common elements of two sets?
 
3:18 PM
Nope if it's not a set
 
That makes sense, I am silly
 
$\cap$ takes the common elementts
 
I am so silly
 
$\cup$ takes all the elements from both
 
Sorry everyone!!
 
3:19 PM
No problem :)
 
I will nap away my failure, bye for now@
 
@DanielFischer Do you find functional analysis more interesting than topology?
 
@Beginner ah yeah, I took $a$ to mean $\{a\}$ there, otherwise it makes no sense. The topology is subset of the power-set, so
 
@Moses No, the "fun" in "functional analysis" is investigating topological vector spaces. (Well, mostly locally convex ones, I'm not so enchanted with the others.)
 
@DanielFischer And the 'anal' in analysis? Are you interested at all in investigating 'uniform spaces'?
 
3:34 PM
@Moses what?
 
@Jorge
What what?
 
morning
 
Hi @mike how's life treating you?
 
Can't complain!
 
@Moses Uniform spaces are interesting.
 
3:40 PM
Lots of people don't think about the fact that there's more than one way to generalize metric spaces, and that's a shame.
 
Would you say the study of uniform spaces is a topic in general topology?
 
I don't like to say much.
oh boy - meta drama
 
If you were so inclined to say much would you say so?...oh you don't incline either...pssshhhht
 
"Post Undeleted by André Nicolas, Brian M. Scott, Bill Dubuque"
Ah, of course.
 
@Moses Yes.
 
3:47 PM
I hear often that research in General Topology is done, dead,...,pointless @DanielFischer
 
That's untrue, as I know that people still do it. I think they're closer to set theorists than what people would call topologists nowadays, though.
 
@Moses It may be that not a lot of new results are obtained anymore, but who cares if it's fun and the old results are interesting?
 
@DanielFischer Yeah that's true, but I am considering it as a possible area of research so it doesn't sound very inviting in that sense.
 
@Moses True, as a research area, it is not as inviting as it used to be.
 
@DanielFischer I've just realized that you'll join 100K club & probably you're the fastest user on MSE who joins the club.
 
3:57 PM
While I was working in the garden a new integral came to mind, a very nice type of integral. Surely, it looks like the ones of Ramanujan.
 
@Venus It's not as impressive as it may sound, all you have to do is spend way too much time on the site.
 
I'm not impressed by Daniel Fischer's 100k. I can't stand that guy!
 
@DanielFischer For most of us, it's really impressive.
 
@robjohn Actually you could have re-opened the question mentioned in this request in one click without using your mod powers because you had gold badges for both calculus and integration tags.
 
@JorgeFernández Nope... it is called capping because that is all you can get (via upvotes) in a day. Congratulations on capping. Welcome the pain ;-)
 
4:05 PM
@Integrator For the [text](link) format, the link must include the http://.
 
@DanielFischer Actually I included http://
 
@DanielFischer You should check out some papers are 'asymmetric topology', also quite interesting.
@MikeMiller People do still, but it's on the decline.
 
@robjohn Why wouldn't we make a thread like this to praise of Math.SE site and its users for their achievements, milestones, interesting statistics, etc so that we don't need to create a new one for something like this again in the future
 
@DanielFischer I checked the preview of that message on main site, It worked there. maybe chat has some rules about content length!
 
@Venus There is one... I think it may have died because things were getting lost in all of the posts.
 
4:09 PM
@Venus There is a chatroom for precisely that purpose, which I guess you know, as you're in it. There was previous meta discussion about this by people sick of seeing new posts; those who wanted to make new posts weren't stopped.
 
6 mins ago, by Venus
@DanielFischer For most of us, it's really impressive.
@venus I agree you young lady!
 
@Integrator There was something about eighty characters and automatically inserted whitespace. But I don't recall the details.
 
@robjohn I had capped before, but this time I'm losing like 300 rep
 
@Integrator I actually did vote to reopen since there were already 4 votes.
 
@JorgeFernández Why do you care about rep e_e
 
4:10 PM
@MikeMiller I know the chat room but most of us barely visit it
 
Whose fault is that? :)
 
@DanielFischer Yeah, @robjohn mentioned something in Election chat room about that but I too don't remember. I removed some links and it worked.
 
@JorgeFernández I have lost several thousand to capping. I wonder if a script exists to compute rep lost to capping.
 
@Hippalectryon It makes me feel powerful
 
@DanielFischer just a sec...
 
4:11 PM
@JorgeFernández Urm....
 
@robjohn Why is there a cap anyways?
 
@robjohn I know that, I read comments by Jonas Meyer, But The point is you could that question in one-click without using your mod powers!
 
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A: Spurious space within number

robjohnThe Problem: In a comment to a question or an answer, or on chat, when a string of over 80 characters is entered without whitespace, the pair of characters \unicode{x200C} (zero-width non-joiner) and \unicode{x200B} (zero-width space) is inserted after 80 characters. This is often bad when it h...

 
@JorgeFernández Maybe it is for avoiding people from raking in lots of rep.
@JorgeFernández Remember, Rep cap is not for accepted answers and bounties.
 
@Integrator It's to tell people "thanks, you've done enough for today, how about going to play with the family for a bit?".
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4:15 PM
@DanielFischer Famil.... what ? :P
 
Has the rep cap always been around?
I guess not, or else Jon Skeet wouldn't be where he is today.
 
@DanielFischer Maybe, but, Then there would have been cap on accepted answers also!
 
@DanielFischer So math SE doesn't want a batman?
 
@MikeMiller I don't think it was around forever, but it was introduced very early. Without the cap, Jon Skeet would be around 2 million and something on SO.
 
@DanielFischer Is the cap higher there? Because my calculator says (ignoring bounties, accepted answers) it should have taken him 3400 days.
I guess I could knock off a couple hundred thousand; then it would have only taken him 2500 days.
 
4:19 PM
@DanielFischer I believe that it is for those users who are able to earn rep without contributing often(I mean just because of their old posts)
 
This is still a week or two longer than SE has been around.
 
@MikeMiller He gets a considerable amount of bounties, and has an average of something like ten accepted answers or more per day.
 
@MikeMiller One can earn more than 200 rep per day.
 
"Easily" is perhaps an overstatement.
 
Does anyone know if for certain types of spaces (eg. normed spaces,...) it follows that if a result holds for convergent sequences then it also holds for all nets?
 
4:20 PM
Ah, I see.
@Integrator Yes - by way of accepted answers and bounties. My naivete prevented me from realizing the sheer number of such things (and the fact that people like to burn rep on him).
 
@MikeMiller I was talking about Jon skeet.
 
@Moses In first-countable spaces, sequential continuity is equivalent to open-set continuity; and in any space, net-continuity is equivalent to open-set continuity. So I suppose "in first-countable spaces" might be a good answer.
 
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Q: What is the reasoning behind the reputation cap?

Graeme PerrowThere has been a lot of talk about the daily reputation cap and what counts and what doesn't count and so on. But why is there a cap at all? I've seen lots of questions about whether the cap number should be changed, or whether certain things should or should not apply to the cap, but I've never ...

 
@MikeMiller @DanielFischer If you could find the duplicate math.stackexchange.com/questions/1078913/…, I can't find it
 
@Hippalectryon See highly voted questions.
 
Huy
4:25 PM
 
@Integrator Following links, Jon Skeet claims Jeff Atwood claimed the following reasons for the rep cap:
To prevent a user with a single popular answer from gaining significant privileges without really understanding the community in enough depth to use those powers wisely
To avoid a "rich get richer" sort of system
To encourage heavily active users to step outside once in a while
 
@Hippalectryon I chose one.
 
Thanks
 
@Hippalectryon Done! Just one more vote!
 
Is @antox here?
 
4:30 PM
What are "polynomials represented in point-value forms"?
 
@MikeMiller Why does the equivalence of continuity imply that any result would hold for both?
 
Fair point, but I guess I don't know what one would talk about that's unrelated to continuity.
 
$${\Large \mathbf{AVAST!} }$$
 
r9m
@DanielFischer LOL :P
 
Hi @HenningMakholm
are u there?
 
4:35 PM
@MikeMiller Yeah I was just reading something now where someone defined pseudomonotone mappings for nets instead of the conventional way of defining it for sequences, so I thought may it's more interchangeable than I thought given you are working in the right space.
 
@DanielFischer Same here math.stackexchange.com/questions/1078923/… can't find it in the duplicate tab
 
@antox Yup.
 
first of all thanks
now I'll try to explain my self
taking your first solution (1)
 
I'm far more ignorant about what you're talking about than I thought, @Moses. Sorry!
 
to understand if this sentence is true we have to bind it to an interpretation, isn't it?
 
4:38 PM
@antox Well, yes. Or we can say that the job of the sentence is to pinpoint all the interpretations it is true in.
I.e., the "meaning" of the sentence is the class of all interpretations with the property that every mother in the interpretation loves all of her daughters.
But it is right that the sentence doesn't have a truth value until we look at it in a particular interpretation.
 
@HenningMakholm ok, in this case, what's the domain? what does the domain mothers and dauthers?
what does the domain contain? mothers and daughters?
*
 
@antox The domain should contain all the mothers and daughters we're interested in. It can also contain things that are neither mothers nor daughters, but the truth of the sentence will not depend on how they behave.
 
@AlexanderGruber Can you migrate this to meta?
 
@MikeMiller $${\Large \mathbf{AYE!}}$$
 
@HenningMakholm ∀X.∀Y.(mother(X)∧daughter(Y,X)→love(X,Y))
let's suppose the domain contains just mary (a mother) and july (her daughter)
if the sentence is true it must be that the sentece is true for every element in the domain, but if X=july and Y= mary then the entire sentence is not true anymore
@HenningMakholm I don't know if you got that i mean
 
4:49 PM
@AlexanderGruber Can you give me ultimate power?
 
what*
 
@antox Yes it is -- because daughter(mary,july) is false the entire thing to the left of the arrow is false too, and then the entire arrow is automatically true for X=july, Y=mary.
 
@MikeMiller $${\Large \textbf{I CAN GIVE YE A FLOGGING, SHARK BAIT.}}$$
 
@MikeMiller Is it ok to ask in comments for context for questions which look like homework/contest and don't give a reasoning/work ? (thinking of math.stackexchange.com/questions/1078940/…)
 
Sure, you can do most things you want.
 
4:52 PM
Lol
 
@antox The reason why "false -> anything" is defined to be true is exactly so that we can write "forall x ( p(x) -> q(x) )" to mean "every x that satisfies p also satisfies q".
 
@AlexanderGruber Interesting: comment voting on main and meta is different. I just upvoted the same comment twice.
The question, too
 
@MikeMiller Uh oh that's not good
 
@HenningMakholm right, right....i'm starting to get into it, ok thanks a lot for your time
 
Can you do it more than twice?
 
4:55 PM
nope
once on each site
 
@AlexanderGruber Perhaps if you migrate it back and forth again.
 
I wonder if I can only do it once on each site, or if the migration forgets my old votes.
 
@DanielFischer ... it's tempting to find out
 
@AlexanderGruber c'mon.
do it.
 
@MikeMiller Olol look at that pic math.stackexchange.com/questions/1078940/… . Most. Beautiful. Ever.
 
4:56 PM
Shame I'm not mod of anything else we could see how far this thing can go
Where's Mariano at when you need him?
 
I'm quite positive if you pushed it to another site I could vote again
I'm more interested in what would happen if you pushed it back to main
Move it to main, let me check, then I'll write something on Meta.SE about it I guess
 
@MikeMiller Yes. For science.
 
my clickin finger's ready
yup
I've now upvoted the question thrice and GregoryM thrice as well
I shall not upvote it a fourth when it returns to meta
 
@MikeMiller Wow that's pretty neat.
 
interestingly - the revision page also forgets old migrations
 
5:00 PM
@MikeMiller actually i think that is the reason
I had to clear the migration history both times in order to migrate it again, you have to get a mod to do it if it's to be done more than once
 
@AlexanderGruber I think the problem is that migrations are actually not as smooth as we think
I suspect the question is purged from one site and copied over with all the relevant data from the other
 
@MikeMiller Yeah some computer over at SE's office probably just caught on fire
 
but in doing so forgets some things (who's voted; number of views)
 
@r9m Your example gives equality, doesn't it?
 
uh-oh
 
5:03 PM
@MikeMiller quickly shuffles the old one under the rug
 
if we kept doing this we could make the fibonacci numbers tag wiki a hot topic on meta!
 
@MikeMiller One thousand upvotes. Very important issue to MSE
 
and maybe we could all forget the other question just below these
not sure I've got the effort in me to write osmething up about this.
 
r9m
5:20 PM
@DanielFischer sensei .. it was a stupid mistake from my part :( sorry I'll edit in a correct solution and undelete the post if I can :)
AAGH !!! that was easy as hell !!!!! X( 50 push-ups for me ! saw the dupe link !
 
@MikeMiller Yeah I don't think it really matters.
 
@MikeMiller If I have $f:\mathbb{R}^*_+\rightarrow\mathbb{R}$ st. $\forall x,t>0,f(x\cdot t)=f(x)g(t)$ is it true that $f(x)=g(x)$ ? (My reasoning : $f(x)=f(1)g(x)\Rightarrow f(x\cdot t)=f(x)g(t)=f(1)g(x)g(t)\Rightarrow f(x)=f(1)g(x)$. On the other hand, $f(x)=f(x)g(1)\Rightarrow g(x)=1\Rightarrow f(x)=1$)
 
Just interesting knowledge to know, not particularly useful.
 
oh my word
 
Hi, does anybody here know what subjective probability is (as opposed to the probability we learn in math)?
 
5:27 PM
"A probability derived from an individual's personal judgment about whether a specific outcome is likely to occur. Subjective probabilities contain no formal calculations and only reflect the subject's opinions and past experience."
"Subjective probabilities differ from person to person. Because the probability is subjective, it contains a high degree of personal bias. An example of subjective probability could be asking New York Yankees fans, before the baseball season starts, the chances of New York winning the world series. While there is no absolute mathematical proof behind the answer to the example, fans might still reply in actual percentage terms, such as the Yankees having a 25% chance of winning the world series."
@JayeshBadwaik ^ from investopedia.com
 
Pick $g$ nonzero and $f=0$ @Hippa
 
@MikeMiller Oh true, I can't divide by the functions.
 
Other than trivialities like that...
 
@MikeMiller Then, how would I prove that $f,g$ are $\mathcal{C}^\infty$ ?
 
that should be it
Take derivatives bro
 
5:32 PM
@Hippalectryon Thanks Okay. I'm reading a book on game theory, and it had references to subjective probability everywhere. I was not sure how exactly it would affect the calculations.
 
r9m
@DanielFischer I wish my questions get at least half the amount of attention that chinamath's posts get ! :-)
 
$f,g$ are supposed $\mathcal{C}^0$ only. I have to prove they're $\mathcal{C}^\infty$ @MikeMiller Hence I can't just take their derivative.
 
TAKE DERIVATIVES HARDER
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@r9m Chinamath's is a duplicate
 
r9m
@Hippalectryon ya ! someone was willing to search for it if it was a dupe right ?! :) I have never seen such a storm of comments in any of my posts ! :)
 
5:35 PM
@r9m Lol
 
LEL @AlexanderGruber Captain Yu's screamin' like a sea cucumber.
 
@AlexanderGruber Ahoy mates
 
Ahoy landlubbers
 
Shiver me timbers duplicates ahead
 
$\mathbf{Yo ho, seadogs!}$
 
5:42 PM
admittedly this is harder than I expected @Hippa :)
 
@MikeMiller
 
So have you been convinced yet that outside of trivial cases, f=g?
 
Urm no I made a little mistake
 
[link](link), by blistering barnacles, @Hippa
 
$f=f(1)g$
 
5:43 PM
Yes, that's true
 
@BalarkaSen But that's not how shameless advertising works :P
 
But f=fg(1) as well
 
@MikeMiller :O yeah you're right xD and so ? since g(1)=1...
 
@AlexanderGruber Oh look you're a pirate now
 
Use these to show that - unless f is identically zero - that f=g
 
5:44 PM
I sure am
 
oh, does g(1)=1? hooray!
oh, now we have that. lol
 
@MikeMiller See my first line
 
Anyway it's probably true that f=g.
your questions are too hard for me :)
 
@MikeMiller Lol
 
analysis over $\Bbb R$ is very hard
some sketch
 
5:52 PM
@BalarkaSen 11/10 would draw again
 
@AlexanderGruber If you have a moment right now, could you please lock the USAMTS problem math.stackexchange.com/questions/1077991/… ? I flagged it 13 hours ago and the flag is still active.
That was fast. Thanks!
 
@epimorphic Sorry. we have so many USAMTS questions locked that sometimes the flags get mixed in with the ones that are annotated to be reopened later
 
Complex functions, measure theory, manifolds and number theory. Is that a manageable courseload for someone in their fourth semester?
 
@AndrewThompson Depends on whether you like analysis.
 
Nobody here can answer that, since we don't know you.
 

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