The Bridge

12:04 AM

sigh

Oh, maybe you were paying more attention than I was @Fluttershy, but I didn't realise that Double Fine had basically pulled the rug out from under Spacebase DF-9. Very disappointing. :(

Fluttershy

@TimStone Yeah. I'd only just heard about it recently. :( They are apparently really bad at managing game-making money.

Tim Stone

Kinda wish that they'd just admit that too, instead of trying to play it off like it's a good thing because "Hey, we're releasing the source, go build stuff!" >_>

badp

Surely we can get more toaster bars

user15026

@TimStone Yeah, thats kinda a dickish move

Tim Stone

12:09 AM

The worst part is, it actually does feel like a fun game. If they would have actually followed through with content and fixing some of the technical issues it's something I could have recommended, but urgh.

Not sure you can call settling with whatever you have right now as a release x_x

badp

Another new version of Chrome, another new version of Chrome that refuses to acknowledge the existence of Verdana

It's been a month now

@TimStone do you know what's going on?

Tim Stone

Wait, really?

What channel are you running?

badp

...unless

nope, stopping GDI++ didn't help.

Lazers

0

Q: Finding Games folder?

So I want to add my Dragon Age: Origins game to my Steam Library. However, when I open up the "Add a Game" explorer window for adding a non-steam game, I cannot for the life of me find DA:O! The only place my computer says the Dragon Age: Origins .exe file is in "Games". But I CAN'T seem to find...

steam pc

badp

@TimStone dev-m (64 bit)

Tim Stone

12:14 AM

Huh. I'm on the same channel on Windows 7 and it was fixed pretty quickly.

badp

Windows TP here

Tim Stone

You can go to chrome://flags and disable DirectWrite though, that should fix it

badp

Also, a little bit of fun:

gfycat.com/AdoredZanyBrant

for values of "fun"

@TimStone yessss

Ah well. I'd almost gotten used to chat in Arial.

Tim Stone

@badp lol, I've had that happen before, but only because I manually downgraded to the previous version.

badp

It wouldn't have been there forever anyway.

@TimStone Is the version right?

Tim Stone

12:16 AM

Yeah, the updater just gets confused when the executable isn't the version of the latest version available in the folder.

Or something.

The Gill Sans issue still exists though, heh.

I thought that got removed from the Physics stylesheet though...but it's back now.

Hmm.

RedRiderX

Hmm I guess I should try Swift

murgatroid99

12:42 AM

@RedRiderX Does it support full unicode? Because that would be terrible

RedRiderX

@murgatroid99 I think so.

As far as I can tell, this is valid Swift code.

murgatroid99

@RedRiderX If it supports all codepoints, that is a fantastic way to allow different but nearly indistinguishable characters

And that's ignoring combining marks

I don't want to try to tell the difference between U+1F600 and U+1F601 (Grinning face and grinning face with closed eyes) when I'm skimming through code

badp

@murgatroid99 but what if either of one is actually a cat face?

you can use cat faces for pointers

that's what cats do, look at stuff, and occasionally pounce.

murgatroid99

I wonder if you can have code full of zalgo text

And then you can try to tell the difference between an 'e' with 3 acute accents and 2 grave accents, and an 'e' with 2 acute accents and 3 grave accents

Tim Stone

You can have ridiculous unicode identifiers in Java and JavaScript too, that's nothing new. :P

Lazers

12:50 AM

0

Q: Candy Box Infinite damage

i was playing candy box, then i got to the level "Hell". It was too hard so i decided to change the damage. I looked on the wiki for info for how to change the damage but it wouldn't work. Any Help?

candy-box

murgatroid99

@TimStone Notably though, at least in JS, you can't use emoji

Or combining characters, or several other code pages

Tim Stone

True

murgatroid99

I don't know if Swift allows combining characters, but if it doesn't then my primary objection is allowing emoji

That picture is just unnecessarily hard to read

RedRiderX

@murgatroid99 Only because you aren't familiar with the characters.

murgatroid99

@RedRiderX Also because the characters are colorful and pop out in a way that obscures other features of the code

And ascii character sequences can be read as words or phrases, but this can only be remembered as emoji sequences

that makes them harder to retain

RedRiderX

1:00 AM

@murgatroid99 Eh that's a font issue

But I get the other complaints.

murgatroid99

Of course, there's also the scope shadowing (or something) of "ambulance horse" that makes the semantics confusing

@RedRiderX There's also the fact that there are more nearly identical emoji than ascii characters

Allowing them only encourages the use of unreadable and indistinguishable characters

And it's harder to make meaningful names with the kind of emoji unicode has

What kind of function is "bug dolphin whale"?

Yuuki

@RedRiderX And here I thought I could at least tolerate Swift as compared to Objective-C.

I mean, I can still read it. It just takes a bit longer and it's kinda annoying on the eyes.

RedRiderX

@murgatroid99 @Yuuki Again that's a font issue

spugsley

dududududududududuuuuuuuuuuuu

RedRiderX

@murgatroid99 I and l can look identical in some fonts, but not in others

Yuuki

1:14 AM

@spugsley .... Batman?

spugsley

@Yuuki no Batmannnnnnnnnnnnn

Lazers

0

Q: XBox 360 cant read disc

I bought Fallout 3 started to play then got the message"Cannot read disc. Got 2 more replacements, same thing. So decided to just download the game from Xbox live. Got a little bit into the game and it popped up again, always in the same spot and its not even a disc. I don't get it.

technical-issues

murgatroid99

@RedRiderX In the unicode standard codepoint document they are nearly identical

Yuuki

So yeah, Hyrule Warriors has been pretty fun so far.

spugsley

Anyone else planning on doing NaNoWriMo? @StrixVaria or anyone

Yuuki

1:17 AM

I also found my shirt that has a glow-in-the-dark starchart on it.

RedRiderX

@murgatroid99 As are I and l

Going from this site anyway: unicode-table.com/en

But maybe I shouldn't be going from that

murgatroid99

I was going off this document: unicode.org/charts/PDF/U1F600.pdf

This is another fun one: unicode.org/charts/PDF/U1F300.pdf

RedRiderX

unicode.org/charts/PDF/U0000.pdf

Oh so that site is pretty accurate then.

murgatroid99

Oh good, there's a codepage of majhong tiles. That should be fun to code with: unicode.org/charts/PDF/U1F000.pdf

RedRiderX

@murgatroid99 I didn't know we had a Poliwhirl emote.

Unionhawk

1:23 AM

@spugsley .... Piderman?

RedRiderX

unicode-table.com/en/1F365

spugsley

@Unionhawk :D

murgatroid99

@RedRiderX Can you imagine trying to distinguish between 1F306 and 1F307 in code?

unicode-table.com/en/1F306

unicode-table.com/en/1F307

RedRiderX

@murgatroid99 One has a huge circle in the middle and one doesn't.

murgatroid99

What if someone used the clock emotes for datetime constants

RedRiderX

1:25 AM

@murgatroid99 Ahahaha

Now that would be funny

murgatroid99

Worse: 1F4D7 through 1F4D9

RedRiderX

@murgatroid99 ...

Wow

Just wow

murgatroid99

Or the animal characters

Try distinguishing between the chicken and rooster characters when they're not right next to each other

RedRiderX

@murgatroid99 But the distinguishing feature is the pattern not the colour apparently so a readable font could be made.

murgatroid99

Or you could have some fun with 1F46B through 1F46D

Or the various workplace building characters starting at 1F3E2

Yuuki

1:29 AM

@murgatroid99 ... Well, now what I'm doing if I ever start messing with Swift.

RedRiderX

@murgatroid99 How do you distinguish between a single story "a" and an "o" if they're not right next to each other?

murgatroid99

@RedRiderX the little thing at the top of the 'a'?

RedRiderX

@murgatroid99 Single story

murgatroid99

Why would I ever program in a font that renders 'a's like that?

also, the thing on the side

RedRiderX

@murgatroid99 That's what I'm saying, it's a font issue for a lot of these things

murgatroid99

1:31 AM

OK, here's one: 1F505 and 1F506

or try keeping track of 1F503 and 1F504

RedRiderX

@murgatroid99 AHAHAHAHAHA

That's amazing

If I were a typographer I'd probably give the low brightness one dashes and the high brightness solid lines.

murgatroid99

This conversation kind of makes me want to write an entire program consisting only of animal picture codepoints

RedRiderX

Off the top of my head.

murgatroid99

It would be like cave paintings

RedRiderX

@murgatroid99 Language syntax?

murgatroid99

1:33 AM

@RedRiderX I mean all identifiers would consist of those characters

Or possibly clocks

Or just 1F595

RedRiderX

What obviously needs to be made is a programming language whose syntax consists solely of Emoji. I propose it be named Emojava.

murgatroid99

@RedRiderX The emoji codepage is at least as big as ascii. You could do that just by corresponding each ascii character to a particular emoji character

You could make every kind of bracket start with a smile and end with a frown

RedRiderX

@murgatroid99 So one could write a compiler that converts EmoJava to regular Java

murgatroid99

@RedRiderX Exactly. And it would be simple character replacements

I'm not sure about the name though. It just sounds like it's sad

RedRiderX

@murgatroid99 Hmm unicode-table seems to lacking a example character for that one...

@murgatroid99 Well a programming language made of Emojis is sad

The name is perfect

murgatroid99

1:38 AM