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11:00 AM

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Q: Is it possible to have multiple greater rift keystones at once

I have a Greater Rift Keystone that I use for running with my wife, but I also want to get one for when I solo. Is it possible to have multiple Greater Rift Keystones on same character at once?

@Lazers gee, you're such a copycat!

in Game Development, 5 mins ago, by Roy T.

Strange how Unity is worth less than Minecraft... bloated prices everywhere

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Q: Does the coin multiplier affect money pickups or money drops?

If I have a 2× coin multiplier, does it double the coins dropped by slain monsters or the coins I collect?

crypt-of-the-necrodancer

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Q: Can you play Diablo 1 online with the HD mod?

Blizzard released a High Definition mod for Diablo 1. Is it possible to play it online? Is it played online?

@fredley *Mojang

Unity is still €57/mo or €1,140 + upgrades

11:15 AM

@Chippies Like in your inventory? Sure.

Why wouldn't it be?

That's why the keystones themselves have the level.

11:28 AM

@fredley The problem with that is I'm not sure I can think of any buyer who would be interested in keeping support for all those platforms.

. . .mayyyybe Facebook? shivers

Okay, coffee, don't let me down

@MBraedley Why do ya perk me up? (perk me up) perk me up coffee just to crash me down (crash me down).

@fredley I think I recognise the song.

@5pike You probably do

@OrigamiRobot Because a second one won't drop?

11:37 AM

@fredley Yes, I did.

SE seems a bit slow, or is it only for me?

@5pike Seems fine to me

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11:59 AM

So, a collegue got an email with powerpoint containing a screenshot of a "non-working" email (because he doesn't get an answer)... ANd now he has to fix that or something.

@Arperum Fix ... wut?

@5pike fix client not receiving mails! (It is because none are sent...)

"Nobody talks to me! Fix it! Do something!"

@MartinSojka I even have proof of it not happening! Here is a powerpoint with a screenshot in it.

12:35 PM

Bring out yer wats

Kevin van der Velden

> Ah yes, we can make use of the Nobel Prize Public API! – Stijn 1 min ago

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Q: Which items to by at All Random Deathmatch?

In a All Random Deathmatch mode at Dota2 you get a new random hero each time you die, but keep all items you have bought before. Which items is it worth to by at All Random Deathmatch? Which items are bad to buy? How does your item choice should depend on here you have at the moment? What if you ...

12:52 PM

This question appears to be off-topic because it is ridiculous. — Tom Medley 17 mins ago

Oh wait, that's you.

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Q: What does the Red button of a computer inside Hollywood sewer do?

After I pressed it, someone said "This can't be good" and ground's shaking. I thought water should fill in this sewer or something but no, nothing else happened. Is there any event about it? Or is it some kind of easter egg?

1:09 PM

@Arperum Do you have access to the server logs? When someone asks "Where are my mails", the answer is mostly "none were sent".

test

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so so-called gifv's don't load in chat

@MBraedley lol

@Arperum "Users are not getting emails! Fix!"

Kevin van der Velden

@badp well yes, because it's not an image but a website

Reply: Emails are getting sent fine. Check user for PEBKAC. Then check user's IT for filtering.

1:13 PM

@fredley I didn't look too closely at the posting name, but thought it was funny.

@KevinvanderVelden they do browser detection, apparently: if it sends a browser user agent and it expects html, it'll send html, otherwise straight data

Although in this case the browser said "Accept:image/webp,*/*;q=0.8" and got HTML back, so huh.

SO MUCH FOR HACKER NEWS

@5pike The answer was none were sent.

@Frank Last week there was some client "we are receiving less mails than normally! Fix!" My boss was not in a good mood after that phonecall. "What do you mean by less" "Less mails than normal" "If you could give the sentdate/sender of a mail that didn't arrive, we'll look it up" "But less mails!" ...

@Arperum Yeah. Less mail doesn't automatically mean there's a problem.

@Frank We are user's IT. Filter hand't stopped anything.

@Arperum This was my situation yesterday.

1:22 PM

@Frank Indeed. For some people it seems like it does.

@Arperum clientsfromhell.net

@Rapitor I think Our company can add one or two stories a day to that site. Not clicking now, don't want to get sucked into some clickhole.

@Arperum tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Website/ClickHole

Kevin van der Velden

@StrixVaria you evil, evil person

@MBraedley Thank you

@StrixVaria NO

1:29 PM

54 secs ago, by Kevin van der Velden

@StrixVaria you evil, evil person

@badp I read that those aren't really images anymore, but videos in mp-4 format (or something)

Kevin van der Velden

@5pike yeah, just look at the source of the HTML, mp4 and webm

@KevinvanderVelden DAMMIT YOU. I WAS JUST STARTING TO TYPE THAT.

Kevin van der Velden

@Arperum well you could just quote it again =p

What is Team Indie and why do I have a bunch of Steam coupons for it?

Kevin van der Velden

1:31 PM

@PrivatePansy something on steam and because steam

@KevinvanderVelden That's no use. ANd he didn't do evil,evil things, so e doesn't deserve to be quotestacked.

Kevin van der Velden

@Arperum I was talking about quoting the mp4/webm message... but you could quotestack me I for ninjaing I suppose

@KevinvanderVelden As you wish.

Dec 16 '13 at 14:32, by Arperum

@KevinvanderVelden YOU, YOU, NINJA!

Kevin van der Velden

@Arperum oh jeah! That was fun

Good times were had by... me

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Best incremental game.

1:42 PM

John "Cynical Brit" Bain just tweeted, seems like chemo was unusually effective and the surgeon had little work left to do, so it looks good for him.

@KevinvanderVelden I picked a random ninja message from me to you, loads of choice, seems I picked a pretty good one.

@StrixVaria Hahaha

@MartinSojka That's a good thing.

@StrixVaria I want to make a version of this

Might do this weekend

@fredley I saw your PQ question and why is that thing mentioned. I assume the "discussion" yesterday has something to do with it?

1:45 PM

@Arperum eh?

half expects a question about 3D mode for PQ

@fredley PQ = Progress Quest

@fredley Would play.

I am not a fan of that question. PQ is not so much a game as a satire on games.

@StrixVaria It's the idea of having a linear equation for t' where you can pay to upgrade the coefficients

@StrixVaria The centering on the numbers would drive me insane.

1:46 PM

@JasonBerkan I have to count groups of numbers a lot. That's 1.7 quattuordecillion.

Kevin van der Velden

@Arperum About half your utterances of NINJA are pointed at me. I feel this is a good thing, even if it has room for improvement

zachtronics.com/infinifactory

> LIKE SPACECHEM… IN 3D!

I'M SOLD

@PrivatePansy The last thing spacechem needs is another dimension.

@PrivatePansy Dammit.

I'm gonna want that now.

Kevin van der Velden

@PrivatePansy I'm terrified!

1:51 PM

Of course, I'm not going to touch it until it's done.

I have way too much to play, and soaking up an Early Access game means I'm going to lose interest in it before it's done.

@KevinvanderVelden That actually surprises me. I expected it to be more.

That reminds me.

I should play more SpaceChem.

Kevin van der Velden

@Arperum Uuh wait, it's a bit more than half, 1 for 3ventic, 2 for Frank, 1 for fredley and 8 for me

I thought it was 5/7, one was just "BAD NINJA" and I didn't bother to check who it was aimed at

@PrivatePansy This terrifies me

Spacechem was already brain melting in pieces

A brilliant type of brain melting

I should go back and try those last few missions again

2:00 PM

I love that games like SpaceChem exist, because I like to see what people do with them. But I couldn't have less interest in ever trying to play a game like that myself.

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Q: Does the Blue Trinket reveal stealthed units?

In League of Legends, does the blue trinket reveal stealthed targets? If you are sighted with the Blue Trinket, and you immediately enter stealth, will it still reveal you or will you enter stealth as normal?

league-of-legends

@StrixVaria I'm looking forward to that BigPharma game. It hits all the right buttons.

SpaceChem was fun

I need to go back and finish it

Gah. That new bounty is for a straight up mod rec.

@Frank Your mom hits all the right buttons.

Oh buuuurrrrnnnn

2:06 PM

meta says mod-rec are okay

@badp No, meta says straight up mod recs are closed.

almost my spell check doesn't think "mom" is a word.

@Frank link?

@Wipqozn Remind me to upswing you next time we play Monster Hunter.

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A: The community is closing "mod rec" questions?

I agree that mod recommendation questions probably shouldn't be closed with the Game Rec close reason, because Mod Recs, while similar, are not quite the same. But I think they should be closed, and mercilessly. Part of the problem is that, if we have a question of the form I'm playing Deaths...

I thought "I want to be able to do this" was ok if the only answer was a mod, but "I want a mod that does this" was not ok

Kevin van der Velden

2:08 PM

@Wipqozn it's trying to prevent you from making your mom "jokes". I approve of this initiative!

@Sconibulus That's my understanding.

@Wipqozn try mum

@KevinvanderVelden Man, what a jerk.

mum

Mum works.

So a bounty that wants just straight up wants a mod should be refunded, as that's off-topic.

@Frank And this, one month later, comes in to defend mod-rec

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Q: Is "mod rec" really an umbrella category that we want to use? Or is it confusing the situation?

This is a bit of a take on the discussion largely brought up by this question of last Fall, but to take a different approach to it. One might also gander at this oldie. As an upfront note, any instance I use of "native" refers to the original game design, without any modifications. Game-rec wor...

discussion allowed-questions

2:09 PM

Master Sword, get.

Oh man, meta battle!

@badp Er?

Yours: answered Jan 31 '13 at 20:51

Mine: answered Dec 30 '13 at 23:49

HOW DO YEARS WORK

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Oh buuuurrrrnnnnn

It's okay, I agree that mod-rec's should be closed if we close game-rec's.

2:10 PM

@badp I DON'T KNOW! PLEASE ENLIGHTEN ME!

@badp I'm just saying that bounty should be refunded.

@Frank Why?

2 mins ago, by Frank

So a bounty that wants just straight up wants a mod should be refunded, as that's off-topic.

It looks like that question is On-Topic, but the bounty is Off-Topic?

@Wipqozn The bounty is off-topic.

@Frank Have bounties ever been refunded?

2:11 PM

@Yuuki Yep.

@Sconibulus yup.

@Frank the top answer is not a mod

@badp But a bounty that specifically wants a mod is going to attract off-topic answers.

> Preferred: A mod that would completely disable death.

@Frank The second top answer is a mod.

@Frank Saying you prefer a certain answer doesn't make your question a mod rec.

2:12 PM

58 secs ago, by Frank

@badp But a bounty that specifically wants a mod is going to attract off-topic answers.

So is the third.

@Frank Mods are a perfectly viable answer to a problem.

@badp I still don't really like the question. I'm saying the bounty itself is an off-topic problem space.

@Wipqozn Yes. The question itself is iffy.

By bountying it with a specifically off-topic bounty text, it's getting pushed into bad territory.

The bounty wants a mod that does a specific thing.

How is a mod solution to a problem an off-topic answer. I don't even understand that.

@Frank Iffy doesn't mean off-topic, though. We can't tell users you're not allowed to put a bounty on your question because your question is iffy.

2:14 PM

What I'm saying is that I don't feel I have enough command of the meta here and will delegate to others

People will now answer the bounty text, regardless of whether or not it's part of the question.

It appears however that this mod-rec question was allowed because it has non-mod solutions (?) and that makes the mod solutions okay (?)

@Wipqozn The question itself isn't iffy enough to close.

@Frank With what? Mods? there's nothing wrong with mods as an answer. There's nothing wrong with saying you prefer mods as a solution.

But if the bounty itself had been asked as a question, it would have been closed.

2:15 PM

It certainly isn't the problematic "I ANT FLUTTERSHY IN GTA5 HALP" kind of problem

@Wipqozn Which is totally unrelated to the question itself.

If users start posting links to random mods that have nothing to do with the question we can downvote+ delete them as required.

It's essentially hijacking the question to get a mod-rec.

@Frank I'm not sure what you mean.

Guy talks about problems with death in game.

2:16 PM

@Frank but we do seem to allow and accept mod answers?!

If we didn't I'd see your point

but we do

1 min ago, by Frank

But if the bounty itself had been asked as a question, it would have been closed.

would it?

@Frank No, it would have been rephrased.

what question?

I know I would've voted to close.

2:17 PM

As I said I don't have enough command of the meta on this topic to be comfortable

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@Frank I would have fought that closure.

He has a problem. It's a real question.

In fact, I've had the same problem with Minecraft.

@JasonBerkan The asker has a problem. The bountier wants a mod that stops death altogether.

Oh, and then badp undid his. I'm double slow.

@Wipqozn well done team.

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Q: Minecraft, without the death?

I think Minecraft is fun for its progression. First you start with a plain world that you sculpt, mine and craft to your choosing or (with mods for example) you start with a system that's small, tedious, or inefficient that you upgrade to be large scale and fast. It's this "building up" that I l...

2:18 PM

@badp A FOR EFFORT! F FOR SUCCESS!

That is a straight up mod recomendation.

@Wipqozn Which is why you need to go back to @Wipqalot

Do we have different rules between questions and bounties?

2 mins ago, by Frank

It's essentially hijacking the question to get a mod-rec.

@badp UGH THAT BOUNTY

I want to cancel the bounty without refunding.

@Frank Mod-recs are not the big bad beast that you think they are.

2:19 PM

@JasonBerkan As questions, yes, they are.

Especially for Minecraft.

@StrixVaria WE AGREE!

This is a day for celebration.

@Frank @StrixVaria isn't @Sterno though, and I bet @Sterno would disagree with you.

If no other reason than to just disagree with you.

@Wipqozn If he did, the world would burn.

The way I'm reading it is "Oh hey, there is an answer for Vanilla, but I really just want a mod I can install so I don't have to set it up for every new world" in which case a bounty is the way to go rather than asking a new question

I don't disagree with @Frank on principle. I just have generally fallen away from taking the extreme "ban all topics" stance I used to have.

Although I am still pro-banning lore and technical issues.

I just don't have the will to argue about it.

@Batophobia Which is off-topic. Mod recommendation questions, by themselves, are closed.

2:22 PM

@StrixVaria I've noticed this, and appreciate it.

oh my lord @Frank is like a young @StrixVaria.

@StrixVaria I'm currently working my way towards seeing some areas in this manner. It's a work in progress, though.

NOW I WANT TO TAKE THAT BACK JUST BECAUSE OF @Wipqozn!

@Frank And duplicate questions asking for more recent answers since a certain version are also closed. Bounties seem to have different rules than questions

@Frank Good, GOOOOOOD

@Batophobia Bounties are supposed to be just for more attention. This one is sorta hijacking the question.

@Wipqozn @FrankVaria

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2:23 PM

@Batophobia Banned.

@Batophobia No, no, @FrankOmega.

XD

waits to be kicked

I'm almost, almost tempted to change my name now.

@Wipqozn I only kicked you this time because you literally asked for it.

I wasn't even going to.

2:24 PM

@Frank Might as well change your avatar to something terrible while you're at it.

beards @Strix's gravatar

I don't know what that means but I don't like it.

Anyway, why is the bounty an issue when there were already answers that mentioned mods?

6 mins ago, by Frank

2 mins ago, by Frank

It's essentially hijacking the question to get a mod-rec.

@StrixVaria It's true, I did.

2:26 PM

@Frank But the question already has a mod answer

To meet certain criteria that the asker didn't ask for.

Also, that 60 seconds reminded me I'm hungry. I should get food.

@Frank Which is part of the reason for bounties

@JasonBerkan I agree. I don't think mod-recs are as cut and dry as people make them out to be.

@Batophobia To use as off-topic vehicles?

2:27 PM

Well, certain people, like that @Frank guy. He's such a hater.

HATERS GONE ~~HATE~~ CLOSE

@Frank No, to ask for additional information outside the OP scope

It prevents duplicates that are not EXACTLY duplicates

@Batophobia Which would be great, if the bounty itself wasn't a close reason all by itself.

It essentially jumps to a conclusion: Death is bad. Give me a mod that disables death.

It's an XY problem, in bounty form.

Well, bounties have a required wait time of 1 day, so maybe the OP just wants to reward one of the mod answers

@Batophobia There's a bounty reason for that.

That's not what was chosen.

@Batophobia IMO, this is what new questions are for. Voting to close as duplicate should be for exact duplicates.

2:31 PM

That's my piece; I don't think bounties should be allowed to bypass our closure rules, and this one should be refunded because it's something we would close by itself.

We now return to your regularly scheduled drama!

@Batophobia Except that the bounty is not given by the OP, but by some random other person.

@Arperum Yes, I just noticed that

replace("OP","other user");

@Batophobia I doubt it. The current solutions just remove the sting of death. The bounty asks for the removal of death.

I can see why someone would prefer a mod over having to deal with command blocks, though

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Q: Once you delete minecraft from your iPad, will u get ur worlds back o when u download it?

Once you delete minecraft from your iPad, will u get ur worlds back o when u download it?

minecraft-redstone

2:38 PM

@Batophobia Minecraft needs a CLI

Kevin van der Velden

@Batophobia well there was this one dude who wanted a command block so he could reop himself if he was ever deopped...

@KevinvanderVelden But then you have to do that on every level you ever make

Kevin van der Velden

@Batophobia no, he was playing on a server and feared he was gonna be deopped so he wanted to make a backdoor

15 mins ago, by Batophobia

Anyway, why is the bounty an issue when there were already answers that mentioned mods?

This is mostly what confuses me

Kevin van der Velden

> I just wanna know, I also wanna know how do I do op command in the command block so I could open myself whenever my admin friend drop me (sorry if I have spelling mistakes, I'm from Israel and my English is not that good) – someone yesterday

2:41 PM

@KevinvanderVelden "Press button, receive op"

Kevin van der Velden

Yeah pretty much

If we allow a kind of answer, what's the problem with bountying for it?

@badp because we don't allow people to ask for it in an independent question

@murgatroid99 ...but that's a problem of the question

Here we're talking answers

@badp Why can you ask for something via bounty, but not in its own question?

2:44 PM

@murgatroid99 because it'd be a dupe?

@murgatroid99 Because you are requesting additional info

Because there is nothing wrong when you have a valid question / problem, with saying that you'd like a mod solution.

The so-called "XY" problem is "please only give me mods (Y) that disable death (X)" and the fix is removing the "Y": "how can I disable death? (X)"

But once the question is in an acceptable form, encouraging a certain kind of answer seems... okay with me

"How to disable death, possibly by using mods?" is different from "How can I use mods to disable death"

answers that don't use mods wouldn't get downvoted, but they wouldn't get the bounty either

that seems okay with me

so long as answering questions with mods is allowed, I don't really see the problem

Otherwise, you want a mod answer but the only thing you get is Vanilla and everyone moves on to the next unanswered question

again: it's a problem of allowed answers, not allowed questions

IMVHO

2:47 PM

@badp The asker wasn't asking for a mod that disabled death.

The bounty is, though.

@Frank Are you allowed to answer the question with mods?

@Frank But a mod that disabled death is a valid answer to the question.

@badp @JasonBerkan Yeah, there's no issue with that.

I feel like people asking questions shouldn't presume knowledge of the answer.

Bounties are a form of asking questions.

20 mins ago, by Frank

It essentially jumps to a conclusion: Death is bad. Give me a mod that disables death.

2:48 PM

@Frank So what's the problem with preferring one kind of solution to another?

@badp The bounty is independent; it's hijacking the question to get his preferred solution.

You can use difficulty levels, game modes, command blocks, and mods. Would you have any issue if the bounty was about command block solutions?

That's still an XY problem ("how can I use command blocks (Y) to disable death (X)"), just a different Y.

@badp Mods inherently broaden the scope into something that turns it into a problem.

@Frank but we do allow them as answers.

It's why recommendation questions in general are off-topic.

2:49 PM

@Frank That is not true.

@badp So long as there's a problem to be solved, yes.

Specifically requesting mod-based solutions seems dirtier than specifically requesting some vanilla game-mechanic based solution.

@Frank That is the case here.

@badp For the question. Yes, I am not arguing that.

@StrixVaria ...or, you don't like it as much, but is that grounds for disallowing the bounty?

2:50 PM

The question is being hijacked for a specific solution. A solution that, as a question, we do not allow by itself.

@badp I clearly don't like it as much, and I'm trying to figure out if that's just my opinion or if there's some underlying reason that I'm struggling to give words.

I guess the reason is that I can't imagine why you would specifically want a mod if you could do exactly what you wanted without a mod.

It's excessive.

@StrixVaria Same here: I agree that the potential scope for mods is infinite, but... they're just yet another kind of type of answer we allow. If we're going to frame this as a "XY" problem then clearly the problem should continue to exist for all Y?

Bounties are for more attention, providing more detail, updating answers, and rewarding existing answers.

mornin folks.

@StrixVaria There are two mod answers already.

2:51 PM

and what Is the Bridge arguing about today?

@Frank "providing more detail" as in a mod solution?

If you can't do exactly what you want without a mod, then suggesting mods is a good alternative answer, but to prefer mods seems wrong.

Minecraft mods can basically alter an arbitrary part of the source code from what I understand

so essentially anything goes

@Rapitor Bounty on this question:

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Q: Minecraft, without the death?

I think Minecraft is fun for its progression. First you start with a plain world that you sculpt, mine and craft to your choosing or (with mods for example) you start with a system that's small, tedious, or inefficient that you upgrade to be large scale and fast. It's this "building up" that I l...

@badp I'm talking about in the general case. If you come up with a new problem you want solved, why on earth would you want a mod-based solution over a non-mod-based one, assuming that the non-mod-based one meets all your requirements?

2:52 PM

@Batophobia That's not more detail. That's going, "These solutions do not interest me, give me a solution that meets my criteria."

There's literally no advantage to asking specifically for a mod-based solution.

@StrixVaria I would prefer a mod so that every new world does not require the vanilla setup

@badp This is why I don't like mod questions. Especially Minecraft mod recommendations.

@Batophobia That is presuming information about the answer, which you shouldn't do if you're asking a question. What if it's just a one-time checkbox?

@StrixVaria Iunno, command blocks can be destroyed, maybe he's playing an older version of minecraft that doesn't have them, or he still wants to take damage à la Half Life 2 buddha mode and no one of the answers does that.

2:53 PM

@StrixVaria But this is a bounty

An explanation of the "why" would've been certainly welcome and it could've narrowed down the scope.

where the answer is known

@Batophobia hm. its a very popular question with high upvotes, why bounty?

@Batophobia Bounties should be subject to the same rules as questions.

@StrixVaria Then awarding a bounty for the sake of giving more rep should be banned

Kevin van der Velden

2:54 PM

@Rapitor because bounty giver wants a mod answer (bounty giver is a different person)

@StrixVaria If not held to a higher standard, as normal users can not do anything about them.

@StrixVaria There's a difference between only asking for mods and preferring mods as an answer.

I believe the latter is kosher from what I've read.

It's like if I said "@badp answer this question so I can give you +25 rep"

@badp Ok, I can see that.

@KevinvanderVelden oh jeez I didn't see that. yeah that's bad.

2:55 PM

bounty != question

The bounty is fine. He wants a more specific answer than the ones provided, and if he'd said "solution" instead of "mod" we wouldn't be having this argument.

Kevin van der Velden

@Rapitor I disagree, it's just a bounty "Hey, I think this question which already has a acceptable non-mod answer should also get a mod answer."

@JasonBerkan No, it's not.

If the bounty was asked as a question by itself, it would be closed. Hands down, do not pass go.

Also I'm not entirely sure that the XY problem is an issue problem in absolute; usually the issue exists when the choice of X and Y is suboptimal or misguided.

@Frank Agreed but it is a bounty, which is not an independent question

2:57 PM

@Batophobia Not according to the custom text.

"I want a mod that disables death"

@Frank Sorry, but I just cannot be civil in this discussion, so I'm out.

"Preferred: A mod that would completely disable death."

If I asked how can I add numbers together if I only stored their logarithms in memory, I think people would have issue with an answer that said "don't do that, use floating point or arbitrary-large integers instead".

@KevinvanderVelden it's asking a new question. that is an Off Topic question anyway.

@Batophobia He's jumping to a conclusion of what is needed.

2:58 PM

("But I can't, those numbers have exponents in the thousands")

@Frank No, he's expanding on current conclusions

@StrixVaria I don't agree at all. There's nothing wrong with giving mods for answer, and so I don't think there's anything wrong with saying I'd prefer a mod as an answer. They're still open to non-mod suggestions, they're just stating they'd prefer a mod answer.

morning, Bridge

@Batophobia You're reading it differently than I am, then.

AlsoI have no idea if that conversation hsa died. that's just where my browser has opened to.

2:59 PM

All I'm seeing is, "These answers don't meet my preferred solution, so I want one that does."

@Frank Which is what a bounty is for.

also math.SE seems down or slow to load?

@Frank That seems a fine use of a bounty.

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