The Bridge

murgatroid99

12:00 AM

@StrixVaria to prevent abuse

user15026

@StrixVaria It worked for me! Told me the source language and everything

7Blue_Beast7

@StrixVaria No.... I am a game dev

Unionhawk

@Frank Do you even know what's going on right now or are you just replying to things? Honest question

murgatroid99

@7Blue_Beast7 and I'm a software engineer

7Blue_Beast7

Game devs have to understand math and computers as well as any techy field

Frank

12:00 AM

@Unionhawk Mostly derailing this before somebody digs himself too deep. That I have ignored.

Unionhawk

Oh, I see

Frank

What can I say. I'm in an expansive mood.

Unionhawk

Well you're doing a terrible job at derailing

I'll have you know

StrixVaria

@7Blue_Beast7 Your profile says you're 13. Is that true?

murgatroid99

@Unionhawk no u

Frank

12:01 AM

@Unionhawk I didn't say I was doing a good job.

Just trying.

user15026

@7Blue_Beast7 Are you an actual dev who has a)gotten an education in the field specifically or b) released anything or c) working for someone will release things?

Unionhawk

You have to learn from @Wipqozn

7Blue_Beast7

@StrixVaria Yup. But who said I have to have a game dev job to be a game dev?

StrixVaria

No one said that.

Frank

@Unionhawk I look good in a suit. Does that count?

Unionhawk

12:01 AM

@7Blue_Beast7 Me.

StrixVaria

But, honestly, if you are boasting about what languages you're learning in your profile, then you are not an established developer.

badp

@StrixVaria It's mods only and it adds messages as the person who's asking AFAIK

user15026

@7Blue_Beast7 You're young, and therefore are by your very nature not as far along on a tech path as most of the people in this room.

7Blue_Beast7

I learn from my dad and other PRO game devs so that I can make my own games

badp

That removed most of the abuse patterns

murgatroid99

12:02 AM

Time to get off the bus. I'll be back soon

7Blue_Beast7

@AshleyNunn There are many kids out there like me wo make great games :D

badp

@murgatroid99 Later

user15026

@7Blue_Beast7 I am not denying that, it is possible, but by nature, knowledge comes with time and effort and training and stuff.

7Blue_Beast7

Some don't even have much knowledge of computers but sure as heck their game is great.

Arperum

@7Blue_Beast7 There are also many of us out there who make stuff. Like half of this room.

user15026

12:03 AM

You don't just wake up magically able to make things.

user15026

It doesn't work like that.

Frank

My search skills have failed me!

I can't find a picture of me in a suit here on the Bridge. :(

badp

@7Blue_Beast7 Are you aware that this is a thing that exists? (inb4 @StrixVaria)

7Blue_Beast7

@AshleyNunn but i never said that?

StrixVaria

The really interesting thing about this conversation is the concept that people who don't know much don't understand how much they don't know.

user15026

12:03 AM

@Frank There HAS to be one. I know there is.

user15026

I HAVE SEEN YOU IN A SUIT

Frank

@AshleyNunn Help me find it!

7Blue_Beast7

I didn't say I can wake up and omg! my game is done in a second.

Unionhawk

@badp ahahahahahahaha

user15026

@7Blue_Beast7 You missed my point entirely!

user15026

12:04 AM

@badp I was waiting for that to come up

StrixVaria

@badp mod high five

7Blue_Beast7

I wake up knowing that I need to achieve my goals and succede in my life but I can't do that without the time and knowledge required to achieve them you know.

hichris123

@badp Why do I feel like I want to star this?

badp

I applaud your determination but just be aware that you're not surrounded by idiots.

user15026

@badp Aww, I liked it pre-edit. But I can understand not wanting to get caught up in any future storms....

Ktash

12:05 AM

I'm just going to leave this here because I feel it is relevant to the current conversation which I can only see part of

7Blue_Beast7

@badp I am aware.

MBraedley

@Arperum Although some of us are only doing for a paycheck.

user15026

@Ktash ....is this the girl with the really annoying voice?

Ktash

@AshleyNunn Yes.

Unionhawk

@AshleyNunn Yup.

7Blue_Beast7

12:06 AM

As of what started this, I just know that maybe that onee guy missed stating that Grey hatters and Whitre hatters exist

user15026

Eergh, okay, I can't click it.

user15026

@7Blue_Beast7 But it wasn't contextually important for him to do so!

7Blue_Beast7

I know! ^

user15026

Not every statement has to include every possibility of existence for a particular grouping of people

Unionhawk

@7Blue_Beast7 1) That's not what he said. 2) You have missed the point. 3) Well that was fast I'm officially done.

user15026

12:07 AM

@7Blue_Beast7 Then, if that is the case, why did you feel the need to point it out, and thus land yourself here?

7Blue_Beast7

I just can't understand people who don't state a whole fact

badp

@AshleyNunn It's hard. It's hard and no one understands™

Ktash

@AshleyNunn Here is a different something with the same message for you

user15026

@7Blue_Beast7 Then you don't actually know what I am saying because you just contradicted it.

user15026

@Ktash laughs

7Blue_Beast7

12:07 AM

@Unionhawk I didn't say he said Grey hattes and white hatters exist OMG!

StrixVaria

@badp Have you come up with some rule of thumb to figure out when you can beat the next boss in Clicker Heroes without filling out an entire spreadsheet?

hichris123

@badp Hmm, how may people do you think would object if you just mass-edited (via a script) all instances to something else? :P

badp

@StrixVaria Each boss has twice as much health (well, 1.15^5 more health) than the previous.

7Blue_Beast7

@AshleyNunn Nah... its that you all adults know how to speak more specificly so I can't understand crap!

badp

If you can beat the previous boss in under 14 seconds or so (or twice in 30 seconds), you're golden

user15026

12:09 AM

@7Blue_Beast7 If we were speaking more specifically, then there would be more clarity, thus it would be easier to understand.

StrixVaria

@badp I mean like...is there some way to base my likeliness of success to the level immediately previous to the boss?

7Blue_Beast7

In the meantime I have to go

@AshleyNunn Not for me.

StrixVaria

I guess I could go to the previous boss to do a sanity check but at that point I might as well just try the upcoming boss instead.

Frank

Oh, right. Spreadsheet.

I should probably use that on my current run.

badp

@StrixVaria HP increases by 15% every zone, with bosses getting a 10× boost

So I suppose you could come up with something like "you need to defeat a regular enemy in less than xxx seconds"

Unionhawk

12:10 AM

@hichris123 Me because I hate people who just flag the f word in all contexts and if we edit, THEN THE TERRORISTS WIN

Frank

Oct 10 '12 at 0:16, by fbueckert

Found it!

user15026

I keep thinking I should try this game but then I hear the word "spreadsheet" and my brain turns off

user15026

@Frank I KNEW IT EXISTED

StrixVaria

@AshleyNunn I haven't even touched a spreadsheet.

badp

@Unionhawk To be perfectly honest I changed "fucktards" to "idiots" because of the "tards" half

Unionhawk

12:10 AM

@badp Oh, well carry on then.

hichris123

@Unionhawk ... so how long is it going to take for this discussion to get to Hitler? ;)

Unionhawk

@hichris123 3.22 seconds.

Lazers

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Q: I died and spawned in the wrong place and need help getting back to where I was!

I died and spawned in a weird place. How do I get back to where I was? I don't know how to spawn in the right place.. by my bed. ?

minecraft-pocket-edition

StrixVaria

@hichris123 Self-fulfilling prophecy.

badp

This room is okay with the f-bomb, but not with "retards"

I'm okay with this.

Unionhawk

12:11 AM

Yes. Agree.

StrixVaria

@badp I find that appropriate.

badp

I like it a lot better than the other way around, anyway.

Unionhawk

Very much so.

Ktash

@badp I approve this message

user43095

xkcd.com/channel.html

user43095

12:13 AM

Someone figure out what this means please.

StrixVaria

> One bolt? Shang Shang ~ ~

badp

@StrixVaria My mechanism to figure this out is a lot less complex than the rest of the spreadsheet. Boss health is about 2e34*1.15^(zone-200).

(for zone > 150 or so)

Divide by 30 and you get the target DPS after you apply all skills.

StrixVaria

> twilight 䚛! seven? zero!

I think my DPS goes down when I activate the double DPS skill.

user43095

@StrixVaria There are references to prisoners.

Ktash

Prisoner Zero has escaped

badp

12:15 AM

Without ancients I believe the total DPS boost of 81237 is 94.65×

user43095

I'm not good enough at Chinese and Japanese and all the weird languages in it.

badp

So take 2e34*1.15^(zone-200), divide by 30, then by 94.65, and compare to your DPS.

(Since I have Bhaal at level 2 I get 121.41 instead of 94.65)

If you have idle DPS heroes simply compare the numbers with your non-idle DPS.

MBraedley

My choice of beer tonight. CC @AshleyNunn

badp

btw, my spreadsheet has become somewhat easier since last time. I even have spin buttons for level ups.

MBraedley

@JeffreyLin I'm guessing it's all unicode

user15026

12:19 AM

@MBraedley ooooh that looks yummy

Matt Giltaji

@JeffreyLin forums.xkcd.com/viewtopic.php?t=110093&p=3665896

murgatroid99

@7Blue_Beast7 Wow, it really only took 4 minutes for me to become "that one guy"

badp

IT'S, LIKE, THE FUTURE, MAN

user43095

@MattGiltaji I know, but I want to know what it means.

murgatroid99

@MBraedley given the number of unknown characters, it could just be binary data rendered as unicode

MBraedley

12:21 AM

@AshleyNunn It's a seasonal, and not a special, so you might be able to find it where you are.

user15026

Okay, so I was playing my 3DS in bed this morning and then I got up and did stuff and then I couldn't find my 3DS and I made my bed (new sheets and all) and I still didn't find it and I looked now and I still cant find it and MY HOUSE IS CLEAN

user15026

where could it beeeeeeee

user15026

@MBraedley wicked :)

Unionhawk

@MattGiltaji NO

Ktash

@AshleyNunn Check the fridge.

user15026

12:22 AM

@Ktash I haven't been in there today!

Ktash

@AshleyNunn The cupboard maybe then?

Yuuki

@AshleyNunn Under your bed?

MBraedley

@AshleyNunn That is very much a might. Apparently they can't sell their collab with an Ontario brewer in Ontario, which is just ridiculous to me.

Matt Giltaji

@murgatroid99 yeah, especially since the page has no html tags, browser can render it however they feel

GnomeSlice

How to make friends

user15026

12:23 AM

@MBraedley booooooooo

Matt Giltaji

@Unionhawk xkcd.com/yes

Powerlord

One more episode in this season of Twin Peaks (or so I've heard season 1 is only 6 eps)

Unionhawk

I'm totally using xkcd.com/no

MBraedley

@AshleyNunn That one isn't the scary one :P

murgatroid99

@MattGiltaji It does kind of surprise me that they all ended up in the chinese code pages

badp

12:26 AM

@MattGiltaji xkcd.com/why

MBraedley

@badp Why is why not found?

badp

@MBraedley It's meta

Unionhawk

Ha. (NSFW language I guess)

Matt Giltaji

@murgatroid99 hex editor ftw?

badp

The why page makes you wonder why

user15026

12:28 AM

@Yuuki Not as far as I can tell. Loads of other shit under there

Unionhawk

TIL xckd.com redirects

Well, doesn't redirect, shows xkcd

MBraedley

How many more retailer credit card breaches do we need before the FTC and US retailers get the message?

murgatroid99

@Unionhawk what else would it show?

Matt Giltaji

@MBraedley all my big bank cards changed to chip and pin this year

Yuuki

@MBraedley Quick question, what would/could retailers and the FTC do to stop credit card breaches (I mean, other than hire better IT security)?

Unionhawk

12:31 AM

@murgatroid99 Porn (double check the order of characters in the TIL URL)

MBraedley

@MattGiltaji And how many stores and restaurants can you use chip and PIN in?

murgatroid99

@Unionhawk right. I missed that

MBraedley

@Yuuki Switch to chip and PIN for starters. It's imperfect, but solves a good chunk of the problems.

And it's the best option at the moment.

Unionhawk

But that's something those silly brits do! And they're provably wrong about everything!

Especially @fredley

cc @fredley

Yes I just did that.

Yuuki

#@fredley

@Unionhawk Wait, so Brits are especially provably wrong about @fredley?

2

Unionhawk

12:34 AM

@Yuuki Yes

Matt Giltaji

@MBraedley i dunno, but I sure feel secure now that I can see the high security chip in my card :D

MBraedley

@MattGiltaji Marketing speak FTW!

Matt Giltaji

@MBraedley I'm imagining a commercial where some thieves in ski masks try to steal money from my account, then the chip sprouts a cape and smacks them in the face

followed by hero pose, ofc

MBraedley

Oh wait, there was a second breach reported today, too.

Private Pansy

My pay came in, and for the first time ever I have four digits in my bank account balance

Matt Giltaji

12:40 AM

@PrivatePansy including cents? :S

Private Pansy

Well no, of course not

Matt Giltaji

@PrivatePansy lol, then congrats

Private Pansy

I'm broke but I'm not that broke

Ktash

@MBraedley Every time one of these breaches happens, I'm always more than a little concerned about them mentioning SSN. They should not have my SSN, but I'm sure that they probably do

James

@PrivatePansy Gratz!!

MBraedley

12:42 AM

@PrivatePansy I don't know what the exchange rate is for Singapore $ (?) to something else, so I can't say if that's good or not.

badp

@Ktash Can you cause your SSN to be changed?

Private Pansy

@MBraedley It's not really anything worth celebrating. For reference, 1USD = 1.25SGD

Ktash

@badp You can get it changed, but it is a huge pain

MBraedley

@Ktash It might be stored in the stripe data, I don't know,

Ktash

@MBraedley Nah, I think it is information available from the provider tied to the card. But I could be wrong

Private Pansy

12:43 AM

With the cost of living here, the amount I make makes me independent only if you don't consider housing

badp

@PrivatePansy It's still a milestone! Go you!

MBraedley

@Ktash Yeah, that would make sense. I don't think that's the case here in Canada, at least not directly. Credit reports can be obtained with a SIN, since that identifies a person, but I don't think the credit card companies store that information themselves.

Ktash

In the US it is all tied together. All the data is aggregated in way too many places, and the CC companies hold way too much of that info

badp

@Ktash I think I've read that your CC basically is your country-wide ID

whereas each state has its own separate database because reasons

MBraedley

I'm suddenly reminded that I need to pay my power bill. Not that it's due within the week, but I should take care of it before I forget.

murgatroid99

12:47 AM

So, apparently Halo: Master Chief Collection is going to have 401 achievements

MBraedley

@murgatroid99 Link fail

Ktash

Yeah, it sort of ties everything together. The SSN is really the country-wide one, but that is supposed to be harder to use

murgatroid99

@MBraedley I don't know what you're talking about

Ktash

@murgatroid99 That is way way way too many

murgatroid99

@Ktash Including one for finishing all levels LASO

I think a lot are the same as the ones that shipped with the individual games

Ktash

12:49 AM

LASO I actually expected and sort of hoped for. It is sort of a mean one for the average player, but for the hardcore fan it is a good achievement

MBraedley

@badp The only form of official federal photo identification in the US (outside of federal job IDs) is a passport. That's the same here. Each province has their own ID (which is usually a divers license).

murgatroid99

And it looks like very few actually require multiplayer

Like, fewer total than any single previous game

GnomeSlice

My God Star-Twine is a good game.

This has got to be one of my all-time favourite indies.

fuck, I wish it had more of a playerbase so the dev could do that big update he's been planning

Unionhawk

@murgatroid99 This is like 300 too many

murgatroid99

@Ktash And it looks like there are a lot of interesting unusual achievements

Ktash

12:51 AM

CE has all the mean ones too

murgatroid99

like "Halo CE: Complete a level without jumping."

That super painful one from Anniversary isn't there

Ktash

> Halo 2: Listen to a hidden music cue in Halo 2.

Easter egg ones, nice

@murgatroid99 All the painful ones are there from my quick glance

Library, little guy, and no weapons

murgatroid99

@Ktash Oh, never mind

And a LASO achievement for each game

Also, "Halo CE: Complete The Silent Cartographer without shooting, using grenades, using melee, dying, or restarting."

Though, "without restarting" is a strange requirement

Lazers

0

Q: New Vegas crashing on startup

Around a week ago I started up New Vegas on my second screen, which is a TV hooked by HDMI. I would press play on the launcher and after a few seconds the game dropped to the desktop. I clicked back on the Icon on my task bar and once again it dropped back to desktop. This occurred every time I t...

technical-issues fallout-new-vegas

Ktash

... That's just brutal

murgatroid99

12:55 AM

It does look like they added scoring to every game, which is great

Ktash

Well, I don't have an xbone, and I'm certainly not getting one, so whatever lol

everyone else can feel the pain

murgatroid99

I already got one and preordered the game

Powerlord

Whoops, season 1 is 8 eps not 6

murgatroid99

Oh man, it has Annual from the Halo 3 Vidmasters

Private Pansy

New Norwegian bank notes

MBraedley

12:58 AM

@PrivatePansy Crazy Europeans with their different sized bank notes

Frank

I've been looking at other people building the same model to keep my motivation up. Some of the work people do is absolutely gorgeous.

badp

@MBraedley You mean all of your cuts are sized the same?

MBraedley

@badp Yep

badp

@PrivatePansy That's something else

@MBraedley I'm so sorry

Private Pansy

@MBraedley I know, right? How will you confuse blind people with indistinguishable bank notes?

MBraedley

1:00 AM

@PrivatePansy Canadian notes have Braille on them

StrixVaria

@badp They fit better in a wallet this way. Euros were really awkward to store.

Other than that there's literally no advantage.

Ktash

@murgatroid99 It'll have enough people doing runs that that'll be easier

badp

@StrixVaria There really isn't much to it once you sort them by cut

murgatroid99

@Ktash I did it with my friends, and it was painful.

badp

Larger notes on the outside, smaller notes on the inside

StrixVaria

1:01 AM

@badp I guess once you get used to it it's normal, but it was just weird for me I guess since US money is all the same size.

Private Pansy

Also, it's MLP:FiM's fourth birthday

GnomeSlice

Atari box art was the best.

user15026

Well, I guess under my bed is clean so that is okay I guess

GnomeSlice

user15026

Still no 3DS

GnomeSlice

1:05 AM

Losing things sucks ass

I lost my DS on a plane one time and my copy of Mario Kart along with it

Sconibulus

...

Shadow of Mordor has a crappy ending

GnomeSlice

you finished it already?

Sconibulus

final bosses that are nothing but a quick time event suck

yeah, just now

not 100% completion or anything

user15026

@GnomeSlice I feel like it HAS to be in my house

user15026

I was playing it before work

user15026

1:17 AM

and I lost it before I ever left

user15026

I just need to find out WHERE it when

RedRiderX

Grunt is so narly

That is all

LessPop_MoreFizz

prone to impromptu parties and loud Dungeons & Dragons sessions

Tweeted by NYTMinusContext on October 11, 2014 at 12:56 AM

Unionhawk

StrixVaria

@GnomeSlice When I was a kid, I once had to check a bag I was planning on bringing on the plane with me. I had copies of both Pokemon Red and Blue in the bag, one of which was in the Gameboy itself. When I got the bag off the luggage thing, both games were gone, but the Gameboy remained.

user15026

1:24 AM

That sucks.

user15026

By all logic, my 3DS is in my house

user15026

I am just like wtf my house is tiny and I have looked everyplace

user15026

but I suspect I am too emotionally charged to do a good job

Frank

@Ashley Perhaps under your keyboard? I know mine likes to hide there.

user15026

@Frank Nope, not there!

user15026

1:29 AM

I am out of logical places. I think I need a break, and the fact that in about a half hour I will be leaving my house to only return on Sunday afternoonish with a @WorldEngineer in tow is a good way to get that break

Lazers

1:40 AM

0

Q: Should I play Enemy Unknown before Enemy Within?

I bought on Steam both XCOM Enemy Unknown and its expansion Enemy Within. When I launch the game it lets me choose if I want to play Enemy Unknown or Enemy Within. There is any reason to play without the expansion first?