Ask Ubuntu General Room

James Tobin

4:00 PM

yeah

qb64 is just a lot easier than C

Severus Tux

hm..

James Tobin

do you remember the days of DOS?

back then there was something called "qbasic"

this uses the same commands

Severus Tux

no, I never really used DOS, started from Win 98

L. D. James

Before qbasic there was basic. I used the computers before you could buy them. You had to build you own.

Byte Commander

Are you kidding me, Ask Ubuntu???

Severus Tux

4:02 PM

wow sounds cool

L. D. James

The first floppies I used were 8 inches and held about 360K.

Byte Commander

L. D. James

One day I bought 10 and thought I would never need more space.

Severus Tux

hehehe .. you need 10 not 21K

:P

@ByteCommander

Arronical

Pilot6 got shouty on there already!

Byte Commander

4:04 PM

Seems like my session had expired, I had to log in again (and solve two goddamn Captchas!)

Severus Tux

Oh.. captchas.. I remember this : did any one successfully solve the captcha for Ubuntu-One account from Software Center ?

James Tobin

took me a lont time to even get 10

Byte Commander

Never needed that, I don't buy software.

Severus Tux

To turn on recommendations , you need to login. and if you try to create an account from there.... its near to impossible to solve those Captchas..

Byte Commander

That button seems to be dead. It has no effect here...

Serg

4:09 PM

@SeverusTux what's up ? :)

Hii :D

@Arronical careful

question mark

@Serg this one :

18 mins ago, by Severus Tux

My friend has this cool laptop which can be turned into a tablet by rotating the screen 360 degree. It works great on windows, but he is a linux lover :P . So we are writing a script to rotate display, show onscreen keyboard, disable keyboard etc.. But We have no idea how to detect rotation. !!! ie, trigger for script. I thought I could get some help here :) any ideas ?? thanks

jokerdino

> Replace "Fixierungsverhalten" with "Fixierungsverhalten".

any Germans who can explain the difference between the two words?

Serg

4:10 PM

ah, unity tweak comment

James Tobin

I dont know the command to rotate screen

Serg

@ByteCommander ^

James Tobin

I dont use tent mode on my 2 in one

Serg

@SeverusTux I could look into +

Arronical

@jokerdino Sorry, not trying to incite anything, just noticed the all caps comment.

jokerdino

4:11 PM

@Serg are you subscribed to it?

Serg

it

sorry, dog pressed enter

5

@jokerdino yes on git

jokerdino

@Arronical OK should be on all caps. :O

@Serg whysir

James Tobin

@Serg lol

aNd A mOuSe Is JuMpInG oN mY sHiFt KeY

Serg

@jokerdino because why not ? also, i like to see what people are fixing, maybe i can learn from it

Byte Commander

@Serg ?

Severus Tux

4:12 PM

@JamesTobin

xrandr -o inverted

James Tobin

ok

Serg

@ByteCommander look at the german word jokerdino posted

2 mins ago, by jokerdino

any Germans who can explain the difference between the two words?

Byte Commander

Ah.

jokerdino

@Serg I see. There is a reason I am subbed to it because I am supposed to maintain it. Was just a little puzzled why someone else do that.

Byte Commander

Uhm, those are the same words...

James Tobin

4:13 PM

then make a qb64 app to shell that, save it as an executable, put it in a location, and make a .desktop file pointing to it. Then set an icon for the .desktop in file properties. Last: drag to panel

Byte Commander

And I am not aware of any double meaning...

jokerdino

patch-diff.githubusercontent.com/raw/freyja-dev/…

Spotted the typo.

Byte Commander

So I have no idea what that is supposed to mean out of context...

@jokerdino Aaaaha.

Severus Tux

@JamesTobin The script is easy to make. What is not is triggering the script on rotation. Not by clicking on it

James Tobin

you want to have a .desktop so you can lock it to your launcher

*the launcher

Serg

4:16 PM

@SeverusTux rotation information should be in xrandr output, so you'd have to parse that. I am thinking to use another tool, but might take time, which i don't have today

Severus Tux

@JamesTobin no, what i want is, When the screen is rotated >180 degree, (tablet mode) it should automatically lock the physical keyboard, invert the display, show virtual keyboard. and back to normal when made normal.

@Serg no problem. If you get any information, please ping me :) thanks

James Tobin

easy

Severus Tux

could you tell me the name of the tool so that I will do some searches ?

James Tobin

make one

put all the commadns together

Serg

@SeverusTux it's Gdk library for python

James Tobin

4:19 PM

in one qb64 application

Severus Tux

hm... I am still learning basic syntax of python.

James Tobin

nvm python

it cant do much

Byte Commander

Python all the things!

It's amazing and powerful.

James Tobin

you have been bitten by the powerful python

you must be flown to the USA for instant medical care. I'll meet you there.

lol

Serg

Somebody forked my launcher-list-indicator and is adding viewport option to it , hmm, which is good. They're using wnck though :/

James Tobin

4:21 PM

@ByteCommander Python is for playing. C++ is for working

Severus Tux

nah...

both are good

James Tobin

also if you want to play, I reccomend qb64

Byte Commander

Quick Basic?

James Tobin

yes

it's a clone of qbasic

Byte Commander

That was the lang I started coding with...

Good old QuickBASIC 4.5

James Tobin

4:22 PM

it's for brindows quack and linux

@ByteCommander visit qb64.net. Modern derivative

Severus Tux

uff.... I thought my DDG dosen't know anything about qb64, "Quick basic" ? now it should show..

Byte Commander

Actually I'm quite happy that those days are past...

Serg

@JamesTobin C++ is good, but it has issues. Nonetheless , Unity is in C++. But many apps are in Python. Also, it has toolkits for whatever - networking, big data, biomedical stuff - you name it

James Tobin

and maybe help me with my frustrating qb64 project. trying to make text based werewolf game but I'm having wierd errors

@serg hard to do much with python, too limited and buggy

python 3 is for crash testers

Byte Commander

It is not.

James Tobin

4:24 PM

and python 2 is for the fiddler on the roof musicians

LOL

Byte Commander

I love Python.

Severus Tux

above all, Python interpreter.... OPEN Source :D :D :D

Serg

@JamesTobin Explain how it is limited and/or buggy ?

James Tobin

python 3 always crashes for me

python 2 maybe a bit more stable but still Ive had too many problems with it's applications

Byte Commander

You can do everything in Python and you can do it easily. It might be not as fast as a C++ app, but it works.

James Tobin

4:25 PM

from .py files

Severus Tux

hahaha.. nice

Byte Commander

Then you messed it up.

James Tobin

@ByteCommander no I didnt

Byte Commander

prove it.

Serg

@JamesTobin funny, but I've written several apps in python, and none of them crashed on me

Byte Commander

4:26 PM

It never crashed for me without a reason.

Severus Tux

^

Serg

https://github.com/SergKolo?tab=repositories

James Tobin

@serg than you are better than thousands of dignified developers eh?

Byte Commander

seems so :)

James Tobin

last python app that crashed on me was Ubuntu Tweak py file running python 2

Serg

4:26 PM

My modesty prevents me saying so

James Tobin

@serg python may work for basic apps but for good advanced ones like c++ make it either gliches on or just cant do

Severus Tux

@JamesTobin Where are these thousands of dignified developers saying Python crashes ?

James Tobin

not saying them

Severus Tux

I mean.. any articles ?

James Tobin

making these programs that crash

Byte Commander

4:27 PM

I get a feeling this discussion will lead to nothing but dispute...

Severus Tux

same

Seth

lol

Serg

@JamesTobin basic apps ? hahahaha, oooh, sorry, this is just too funny

James Tobin

tse1.mm.bing.net/…

I dont mean basic language

I mean rather basic types of apps

Serg

@JamesTobin google was using webcrawlers in python in the past ( and probably still does ). IF it's good for Google, it's good for me

Zacharee1

4:28 PM

@JamesTobin You know that Ubuntu is powered by mostly Python right?

James Tobin

go away with goggle.com

Byte Commander

Python can be used for everything. From games over web stuff over hardware interaction over maths and science etc etc.

James Tobin

use bing!

Serg

XD

oh, god, this is live comedy

Severus Tux

whaaat?? bing ?

James Tobin

4:29 PM

@Zacharee1 unity is yes

Byte Commander

And it's far easier and quicker to write than C++

James Tobin

and that's why I hate unity

Zacharee1

@JamesTobin you'd better be kidding

James Tobin

gotten so bad I'm about to go to chalet os

man I keep getting these crash report windows

Zacharee1

@JamesTobin No, Unity is C. The base of Ubuntu is Python

Serg

4:29 PM

OK, gtg, bye guys

Severus Tux

see you

James Tobin

what base dude? the unity dash is python

Byte Commander

The day Microsoft produces something that doesn't suck is when they will start making vacuum cleaners.

7

Arronical

bye @Serg

Byte Commander

And Bing is not a vacuum cleaner.

James Tobin

4:30 PM

@ByteCommander LOLOL

bing's good though

goggle is frustrating

Severus Tux

okay okay..

Seth

3

Byte Commander

(I must disclose I stole this quote from the Python room... chat.stackoverflow.com/transcript/message/32288160#32288160)

James Tobin

lol

Zacharee1

@JamesTobin I want to see if Unity 8 crashes for you

Seth

4:31 PM

you might be able to write lenses in python, but unity is definitely C.

user136984

You know, it feels a bit odd that it's suddenly no longer the summer, but instead it is officially autumn, though not many, if any, of the trees I have seen are actually losing their leaves;

Seth

<-- spent waaaaay too much time digging around the unity source

Zacharee1

Because Unity 2.0-7.4 does include Python, but it's mostly C and C++

James Tobin

my dash always crashes

Zacharee1

Unity (user interface)

Unity is a graphical shell for the GNOME desktop environment developed by Canonical Ltd. for its Ubuntu operating system. Unity debuted in the netbook edition of Ubuntu 10.10. It was initially designed to make more efficient use of space given the limited screen size of netbooks, including, for example, a vertical application switcher called the launcher, and a space-saving horizontal multipurpose top menu bar. Unlike GNOME, KDE Software Compilation, Xfce, or LXDE, Unity is not a collection of applications but is designed to use existing programs. Unity is part of the Ayatana project, an initiative...

Arronical

4:32 PM

@ParanoidPanda The seasons are all a bit late these days, at least in the UK

user136984

Oh dear, I've been doing too much Java! I've even started putting ; instead of . at the ends of sentences (as you can see above)! :D

Zacharee1

@ParanoidPanda nice

James Tobin

every time my dash doesnt crash i sit in wonder and amazement

I'm always getting "sorry, Ubuntu has experienced an internal error" popups all the time

Zacharee1

@ParanoidPanda when I was doing my Arduino projects, I'd always forget the semi-colon, and my whole program would break and I could never figure out why

James Tobin

I mean like every 10 minutes and I am ont exxagerating

*not

user136984

4:33 PM

Oh dear! :D

Severus Tux

@ParanoidPanda Hi :) heard you are trying Arch. nice :)

James Tobin

funny thing is chalet os is based on ubuntu but I dont always see those things

Seth

sometimes I wonder James, if you only complain about stuff that works fine for others, why are you here?

Zacharee1

@JamesTobin Have you ever opened one of those? I've never seen one from Unity

user136984

@Zacharee1: Did the compiler or IDE not tell you about the problem?

James Tobin

4:34 PM

@Seth I happen to be patiently using Unity, but I'm not entirely satisfied.

Zacharee1

@ParanoidPanda Arduino likes to skip the missing semicolon and then complain about the error in syntax it causes 50 lines down

user136984

@SeverusTux: I haven't yet installed it as I've been rather busy, but I am looking into lots of its documentation and should get it installed soon. :)

user136984

@Zacharee1: Oh dear, well that's not very good of it.

Zacharee1

@JamesTobin then switch. Don't just complain

Severus Tux

good luck!

Arronical

4:35 PM

@JamesTobin Chalet is based on Xubuntu isn't it? I suppose technically Ubuntu, but XFCE not Unity.

Severus Tux

with gnome ?

Zacharee1

@ParanoidPanda Well it sure got me to remember them after a while.

James Tobin

not a lot of people like unity. But I can safely say that here because this place supports ubuntu unity, xubuntu, ubuntu mate, and lubuntu

@Arronical youre right

it's a modified xubuntu

Zacharee1

@JamesTobin I don't like Unity, but I think a lot of the people here prefer it

James Tobin

see I moderate the forums thats another reason I feel like switching. However unity has better touch integration... meh

Arronical

4:37 PM

It might be wise to use the system that you're a forum mod for.

James Tobin

I wonder how much I can twerk up my chalet for better touch integration. Might be worth a try. Unfortunately cant try that in vm cuz touch never works right in vms unfortunately :(

user136984

@ByteCommander Oh dear... That is such a bad joke! :D

James Tobin

@Arronical I know :(

Zacharee1

@Arronical that's just silly :p

Byte Commander

@JamesTobin /me likes Unity.

James Tobin

4:38 PM

@ByteCommander unity would be more tolerable without that horrible dash

Arronical

@Zacharee1 I do come up with some 'zany schemes'!

Zacharee1

lol

James Tobin

I cant wait for MetroLux to make a 64 bit

I love the windows 8.1 start menu

Zacharee1

@JamesTobin Launcher or Dash? Two different things, both can be replaced

Zanna

@ByteCommander rolfmao

Severus Tux

4:39 PM

@JamesTobin IMO Gnome has good touch integration, on Gnome, tapping inside a text box automatically brings virtual key board. On unity it doesn't . and there are many more. Unity is good for its own reasons.

James Tobin

dash

launcher's kinda nice

Byte Commander

@JamesTobin Just because it's different does not mean it's bad. You need to get used to it to like it, as with every different thing.

James Tobin

but I dont like having a top bar like mac

Seth

@ByteCommander zune?

Zune was actually good.

I miss my zune :(

James Tobin

@ByteCommander the dash is simply bad

Ubuntu Questions on U&L

4:40 PM

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Q: Stuck installing Ubuntu

I have a problem when I try to install Ubuntu 16.04.1 64 bit for a dual boot. I will tell you what I did and what is happening. Download Ubuntu iso and burned it to an usb. Booted from usb. Selected "Try Ubuntu without installing". I get the Ubuntu logo with the dots and then it gets stuck. T...

James Tobin

it's unstable and laid out poorly

Byte Commander

What is zune?

Seth

Zune

Zune was a brand of digital media products and services marketed by Microsoft. Zune included a line of portable media players, digital media player software for Windows PCs, a music subscription service known as a "Zune Music Pass", music and video streaming services for the Xbox 360 game console via the Zune Software, music, TV and movie sales, and desktop sync software for Windows Phone. Zune also provided music streaming for United Airlines inflight after a partnership in 2010. The Zune hardware players were discontinued in October 2011. In June 2012, Microsoft announced plans to discontinue...

Zacharee1

@JamesTobin so stop complaining about it and switch to something else, or replace what you don't like. It's Linux; it's possible

Byte Commander

My Dash has always been stable.

James Tobin

4:40 PM

the launcher is good though

Zacharee1

@ByteCommander StableDash™

James Tobin

@Zacharee1 I'm waiting on MetroLux to get their 64 bit past alpha

they dont even have x64 yet

Zacharee1

so I ordered a phone from eBay, said it was good condition, it arrived, screen looked like it had been cleaned with sandpaper

James Tobin

thatt sux :(

Zacharee1

@JamesTobin if they have a 64 bit alpha version, they have it for x64 :p

James Tobin

4:41 PM

they dont

I'm talking about a future thing

sorry for being unclear

Seth

@Zacharee1 contact the seller

then file a claim with ebay

Zacharee1

@Seth already did

Seth

what phone btw?

Zacharee1

see? I complain and do something about it

Seth

;p

Zacharee1

4:43 PM

Note 4

remember that switch to TMO?

need new phones

James Tobin

if I'd act like you guys i'd say stop complaining and get another phone

haha

Zacharee1

bought two

@JamesTobin I did...

Seth

ah.

James Tobin

just saying lol

Seth

why not note 5? too $$$ or don't like it?

Zacharee1

4:44 PM

@Seth No SD slot, no removable battery, defective screen on a lot of them, PenGate on older models

James Tobin

sony xpheria is nice, although nexus is great if you want to put ubuntu/plasma mobile on

Zacharee1

and I'm just keeping mine until the G Flex 3 or V20

Seth

o_O

no wonder people don't like the note 5...

Zacharee1

November

@Seth yep

Byte Commander

Uh oh... Everything gets soooo slow once the battery goes down to 5%...

James Tobin

4:45 PM

note 5 is not as high end and stable but hey it's not too bad either for general use

Zacharee1

@Seth it's got a nice camera though... :p

Byte Commander

Need to go for a cable...

James Tobin

welcome back kaz werewolf

Severus Tux

is android "completely" opensource ?

James Tobin

lol

Seth

4:45 PM

no

Hi!

yo!

question mark

Auvoir!

@SeverusTux I think they do code releases after initial development is finished.

James Tobin

4:46 PM

auror!

chabet bonte lol

Kaz Wolfe

So I had a good idea. Tags for 1k+ only

/s

Severus Tux

but they give us chance to root it.

Zacharee1

@Seth oh, and I can only contact eBay about it if the seller doesn't respond by Sept 8

James Tobin

I have to go guys.. talk to you later

Kaz Wolfe

Android is "technically" open source.

Vanilla android is from the AOSP, iirc, but OEMs spin it off.

@JourneymanGeek I'M ALREADY ON IT, GOD.

user136984

4:48 PM

I have to find some new trousers which aren't made for 'cool' people who actually want them to fall down...

Seth

@Zacharee1 go to paypal if it starts taking too long.

Kaz Wolfe

are we doing an ebay?

if you're a buyer, you've automatically won the case lol

Zacharee1

@KazWolfe yiss

Kaz Wolfe

i've had someone end up in such a way that they ended up getting a forced refund from me and they got to keep the product

Zacharee1

@Seth I will. It's weird because the other phone is fine. A few scratches, but it looks like the previous owner was nice to it. The disaster one must have dropped onto asphalt or something, and it came with a Note 3 S-Pen as far as I can tell

@KazWolfe oooh, I could have 2 Note 4s from T-Mobile? Fun :p

I'd rather keep the VZ one though...

Kaz Wolfe

4:51 PM

@Zacharee1 hands down, t-mo is an awesome carrier

Seth

should'a bought from swappa.

Kaz Wolfe

except for their 26GB "unlimited" cap

Seth

not two of you -.-

;p

Zacharee1

@Seth Swappa was more expensive, but I'm selling mine on there :p

@KazWolfe Well you aren't actually slowed to 2G then. You're just deprioritized. In a semi-rural area, you wouldn't notice :p

@Seth you know it's true

Kaz Wolfe

@Zacharee1 yeah, well, i do notice because tethering

iPhones on T-Mo are so OP when it comes to that, because the data doesn't count as tethered lol

Zacharee1

4:53 PM

@KazWolfe do they reduce tether to 2G?

Kaz Wolfe

they kill tether altogether, iirc

i've never hit my tether cap so i can't tell you

Zacharee1

@KazWolfe or, ya know, use the BL unlock they allow, and XPOSED IT UP

@KazWolfe well shut up about it then :p

user136984

Does anyone know anything about file locking and how to manage it in Java?

Kaz Wolfe

but no really. Nexus phones are amazing. The pinnacle imo

@ParanoidPanda I might. What are you tryin to do?

Seth

Step 1: Don't use Java.
Step 2: Profit.

Kaz Wolfe

4:54 PM

@Seth C peasant.

Java is amazingly elegant and powerful

Zacharee1

@Seth I haz qweshun

can I post

> THIS HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH UBUNTU AND CAPS ON THE INTERNET MEAN YOU ARE SHOUTING WHICH IS VERY UNHELPFUL WHEN YOURE ASKING FOR HELP FROM PEOLE WHO HAVE NO OBLIGATION TO DO SO.

on askubuntu.com/questions/819683/…

pleeeaasee

Kaz Wolfe

yyou can

but it may be deleted

user136984

@KazWolfe: I don't need to do it just yet, but I will have soon have two programs, one managing a config file as a GUI for the user, the other reading from it and making necessary changes. So I think I'll probably need to lock the file to prevent corruption and other problems from occurring. But I don't really know how to lock or unlock a file nor how to check if a file is locked or not.

Seth

@KazWolfe you own one?

user136984

So I was wondering if anyone knew how to do it? Are there some special methods and classes for this sort of thing or something?

Kaz Wolfe

4:57 PM

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Q: How can I lock a file using java (if possible)

I have a Java process that opens a file using a FileReader. How can I prevent another (Java) process from opening this file, or at least notify that second process that the file is already opened? Does this automatically make the second process get an exception if the file is open (which solves m...

java file-io

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Q: checking if a file locked in java

I plan my java program to read a file which can be locked by another program to write into it so I need to check if the file is locked, if so wait until it is free and execute X function when free. How to achieve this? ps: the enviroment that my java program will run will be a Windows 2000 server

java locking

user136984

@KazWolfe: Ah! Thanks! I will take a look at those now! :)

Zacharee1

I think Seth muted me :p

or rightfully is ignoring me

jokerdino

no

oh man, L.D. James is still fighting.

Seth

no

@jokerdino lol

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