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Seth

1:00 AM

@ByteCommander the star wall would consist of a bunch, yes ;)

Kaz Wolfe

EFI doesn't necessarily have to have it

@JamesTobin is there anything you don't complain about?

James Tobin

yes

Seth

@KazWolfe I'm thinking about it.

David Cole - Grammar Police

Can someone go review edit queues? I can't edit XD

James Tobin

I dont complain about BIOS. I dont complain about Chalet OS 16.04.2. I dont complain about Windows 3.1 or DOS 6.00

6.22 is good too

Byte Commander

1:01 AM

o.O

edwinksl

@Serg wth

David Cole - Grammar Police

computer is running Windows PUT UBUNTU STICKERS ON IT! STICKEERRRS

Kaz Wolfe

UEFI is a better version of EFI, which fixes all of the problems and limitations of BIOS while bringing new and amazing features.

When UEFI is implemented properly on enthusiast-grade hardware where those settings actually matter, UEFI blows away BIOS in every conceivable way.

David Cole - Grammar Police

askubuntu.com/posts/819378/revisions

can someone tell me what changed

XD

Kaz Wolfe

@DavidCole-GrammarPolice I removed the newlines between your bullet points.

Serg

1:03 AM

Sure, Win 10 . . .maybe you can even enable bash and Ubuntu via developer mode . . . which probably requires admin privilleges . . . which students don't have with their accounts. TOTALLY MAKES SENSE

David Cole - Grammar Police

No visual change tho?

Kaz Wolfe

Nope, just makes the source cleaner.

Serg

At least they got Matlab installed there, so me be playin' wid' dat

edwinksl

@Serg good luck. let me know if you need assistance with matlab.

Kaz Wolfe

mathematica lol, BECAUSE WE NEED BUILTIN GENERATORS FOR COWS

Byte Commander

1:05 AM

@Serg You have physical access to the machine - make use of it!

James Tobin

ewpz

Serg

@ByteCommander Making use ? of Windows ? Nah, I'll probably pass . . .

Kaz Wolfe

so, one more argument won. UEFI > BIOS

yaaaay

James Tobin

nope

Kaz Wolfe

you have failed to provide any counter-evidence

James Tobin

1:06 AM

you never proved that UEFI can split up RAM

Kaz Wolfe

I'm pretty sure it can, but (a) I've never seen it, and (b) why would you need that

Serg

eh, but frankly i do like the recent changes with Microsoft somewhat . . . at least they started open-sourcing stuff

James Tobin

windows 98 has maximum of512 mb

Journeyman Geek

@JamesTobin that's not nice

James Tobin

DOS 6.00 has maximum of 2 gb which isnt bad

Kaz Wolfe

1:08 AM

you do know it will only see the max it can see?

Journeyman Geek

@Serg They want you to run stuff on top of windows, so they get paid anyway

James Tobin

@JourneymanGeek have edited

Kaz Wolfe

I can put 16GB of RAM in a computer and run 98, and it will only see 512M

James Tobin

@KazWolfe if it has 2 much ram it just does NOTHING

Videonauth

@serg did you see my reply ?

Kaz Wolfe

1:08 AM

uh, no

James Tobin

BeOS has maz of 512mb too at least the older versions

Journeyman Geek

@JamesTobin I've actually done a BeOS install

Videonauth

god i was happy to use 4kb ram on my sinclair spectrum

Byte Commander

3 AM, bed time. Good nighty, folks.

James Tobin

@kaz I HAVE TRIED running windows 98 on too much RAM

Journeyman Geek

1:09 AM

and OS/2 (which is a pain to get running in a VM)

James Tobin

you are debunked. IT DOESNT WORK

Kaz Wolfe

@JamesTobin On EFI?

James Tobin

on BIOS

Serg

@Videonauth em, no . . .where was it again ?

Journeyman Geek

@Videonauth damn kids, get off mah lawn etc?

Videonauth

1:09 AM

both if you have em handy

Kaz Wolfe

er, i'm pretty sure it works on EFI

I can probably check when I get home.

James Tobin

@JourneymanGeek dat's nod nize lol

Journeyman Geek

@JamesTobin I think at this point I think you're argueing for its own sake.

Videonauth

@JourneymanGeek kinda, this discussion efi vs. BIOS is like systemd or not systemd

Serg

@Videonauth I did ping you with addresses . . . One sec, i'll re-link the post

Kaz Wolfe

1:10 AM

That, and, why would you run Windows 98? We have VMs if you have to

Serg

@Videonauth chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/32041308#32041308

Journeyman Geek

@JamesTobin I wasn't insulting @Videonauth. I was making a joking reference to what stereotypical old people say

James Tobin

dude you are biased journeyman. EFI wont run any old OS's. so I need to grab some old retro hardware that are falling apart

Kaz Wolfe

@Videonauth eh, but one is obviously superior as it does everything the other does.

Journeyman Geek

@KazWolfe running windows 98 on a VM is fun.

Kaz Wolfe

1:10 AM

@JamesTobin CSM, again!

James Tobin

@JourneymanGeek I was joking making light of your previous lol

@KazWolfe ?

Kaz Wolfe

Unified Extensible Firmware Interface

The Unified Extensible Firmware Interface (UEFI) is a specification that defines a software interface between an operating system and platform firmware. UEFI replaces the Basic Input/Output System (BIOS) firmware interface originally present in all IBM PC-compatible personal computers, with most UEFI firmware implementations providing legacy support for BIOS services. UEFI can support remote diagnostics and repair of computers, even with no operating system installed. Intel developed the original Extensible Firmware Interface (EFI) specification. Some of the EFI's practices and data formats mirror...

James Tobin

@JourneymanGeek no it isn't because the display always is crappy

guest additions never work

Journeyman Geek

(also if its on vbox, ugh, the lack of being able to legally get display doctor. Company closed down, and its like essential for getting the display running correctly)

James Tobin

@JourneymanGeek so what's best for running w98 on VM

Videonauth

1:12 AM

@serg thank you very much

Kaz Wolfe

I recommend you read up on CSM/UFEI. CSM is a bridge that allows non-EFI compatible OSes to run on EFI systems.

Videonauth

i cant wait it to get my hands on it

James Tobin

@KazWolfe but that's not all

Serg

@Videonauth snappy has no GUI though, but I'm sure you don't need it :) Also , make sure to install docker via snappy. It might come useful for using java, owncloud, minecraft servers,m whatever else

Kaz Wolfe

no, it is all. Any OSes that can't run on CSM are considered legacy and we use VMs for them if essential.

Mateo

1:13 AM

ah man, it might be a 32bit uefi...

James Tobin

first of all n00bs who want to install w7 (common case) are thrown off by most uefi hardware as CSM is hard to implement on most systems.

Mateo

I swapped in a drive and that didn't boot either

James Tobin

furthermore, CSM does not do everything

Kaz Wolfe

@JamesTobin It's literally an option right in BIOS.

James Tobin

it only does part of it

Kaz Wolfe

1:13 AM

Have you ever used CSM?

Like, ever?

James Tobin

CSM will work for Windows 7 or VISTA or maybe even 2000 and xp

Videonauth

@Serg nah i dont need a GUI for it it will run headless anyways later

I will use it to run my server on

James Tobin

but not anything older than 2000 probably not even 2k/xp

Serg

Mkay :)

Kaz Wolfe

XP definitely works.

James Tobin

1:14 AM

ok

but windows ME wont

Kaz Wolfe

Eh, i think it does. I can very easily check lol, i have an ME disk somewhere.

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Kaz Wolfe

EFI benefit: It provides a framebuffer, allowing Linux to actually work better.

James Tobin

haha

Kaz Wolfe

flag lol

James Tobin

1:16 AM

@KazWolfe ?

Seth

be nice.

James Tobin

@Seth it's funny tho :(

Seth

no, it's not.

James Tobin

one of my favorite sites

Mateo

no link shorteners please.

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Kaz Wolfe

1:17 AM

^

James Tobin

whatever

dammit everyone hates me

Kaz Wolfe

look. i thought BIOS was better too

James Tobin

I'm retro dude

Kaz Wolfe

until I actually started to use the features that EFI provided (hello, hackintosh). And then, ohmygod why did i resist the switch

James Tobin

windows 3.1 is cutting edge

Videonauth

1:19 AM

@JourneymanGeek well what shall i say, in past all things where better ;)

Kaz Wolfe

yes, the average UEFI implementation at big-box hardware sucks horribly. But enthusiast-grade equipment has so much use with EFI.

but even big-box BIOS sucked when it existed.

James Tobin

EFI is just tolerable if you are using newer OS's

but never UEFI

Kaz Wolfe

UEFI is literally the EFI spec with more features

UEFI removed nothing from EFI, iirc

Mateo

yeah, I'm about to break this netbook in half because of their implementation...

Kaz Wolfe

@Mateo you can't disable secure boot and other-device boot?

why did you buy a surface lol

James Tobin

1:21 AM

other way around

UEFI made it more ugly and unworkable

Kaz Wolfe

wuh? are you referring to the BIOS-like screens?

because, again, that's not enthusiast-grade.

Mateo

you can, but you cant boot another device - not even if I wrote the install to the internal drive

Kaz Wolfe

what the hell. there's no option in there to enable other boot types?

James Tobin

look at the BIos on the pic you gave me. THat they try to make look like a operating system, not a BIOS setup. The mice never work right on those things. And that makes it harder to navigate with the keyboard

I bet you would have to go across a living room with your mouse to make it get to the other side of the screen lol

Kaz Wolfe

as someone who actually has something like that, keyboard nav works amazingly.

and they do have a "legacy mode" too, occasionally.

James Tobin

1:23 AM

your UEFI setup reminded me of my UEFI on my dumb stupid toshiba I had

that one BIOS was impossible to navigate

David Cole - Grammar Police

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Q: TOP Things to make Google Chrome Faster and Smoother

guys. Lets everyone throw some things together and make the best Settings to optimaze the preformance of Chrome browser :) I will open the chrome://flags Topic and what we should enable and disable there to improve Chrome.

google-chrome settings google

Can we just...

James Tobin

not?

Kaz Wolfe

eh, mine is amazing. nav is no problem to me

James Tobin

funny

it looks like one of the worst

Journeyman Geek

@JamesTobin I had a win98 VM with displaydoctor

its pretty much the best VM + win 98 experience you can find

Kaz Wolfe

1:24 AM

well, it's a question of what you're used to. i'm used to it, and it works perfectly for me

Journeyman Geek

displaydoctor keys... can be found.

James Tobin

ATC's old BIOSES were really nice. Phoenyx BIOS is pretty good too not as good as some and kinda buggy esp old veresions of phoenyx as well as some rare versions like I had on one dumb HP other than that they are better than what you see today

Mateo

going to try the 32bit install now

James Tobin

@journeyman what vm client?

Kaz Wolfe

@JamesTobin better, how? because they're curses-like?

James Tobin

1:26 AM

what?

ATC's or Phoenyx?

David Cole - Grammar Police

askubuntu.com/posts/819388/revisions When people want to take credit for an edit -.-