Ask Ubuntu General Room

Kaz Wolfe

12:04 AM

boot files are amazingly powerful

plus you're essentially running an entire OS pre-boot

wtf. mathematica has a function to generate potted plants

James Tobin

hang on

@KazWolfe

argh forgot something

Journeyman Geek

@KazWolfe does it do petunias?

Mateo

huh, supposedly secure boot is disabled, but it's not recognizing anything to boot

strange

David Cole - Grammar Police

Evening everyone :)

James Tobin

@KazWolfe ok here

David Cole - Grammar Police

12:17 AM

What is happening right now XD

James Tobin

I've declared war on UEFI

David Cole - Grammar Police

Count me as your lieutenant colonel

Mateo

lol

James Tobin

Byte Commander

It did not bite me yet, so fight without me.

James Tobin

12:19 AM

yeah but did it Byte you yet? LOL

Mateo

I would have avoided it too, my other laptop is system76 ;)

but this 10 inch with touch screen was only $150

going to do unity 8 testing if I can pry windows off it

David Cole - Grammar Police

Good luck

James Tobin

:)

Byte Commander

@JamesTobin nope :P

David Cole - Grammar Police

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Q: Ethernet Conneciton Issues on Ubuntu 16.04

Let me preface this by saying that I've taken a look at the other ethernet & 16.04 issues on here and believe mine to be different. I'm having issues connecting to the internet on a new installation of Ubuntu 16.04. I have an ethernet connection running to my desktop computer and am able to esta...

James Tobin

12:22 AM

@ByteCommander lol

David Cole - Grammar Police

When a new user asks a good question

Byte Commander

Only thing that annoyed me so far is that I had to set a supervisor password to disable secure boot.

Kaz Wolfe

@JamesTobin You're female?

James Tobin

no

I know I forgot to edit the last line

David Cole - Grammar Police

is 12.04 still considered on topic?

James Tobin

12:23 AM

nvm

@DavidCole-GrammarPolice here it is

David Cole - Grammar Police

kk cool

Kaz Wolfe

you DO know Secure Boot is not UEFI, right?

It's a feature of it, but it is not essential to hte spce.

David Cole - Grammar Police

On some PCs it is actually

It won't let you boot correctly without it

Kaz Wolfe

And Secure Boot is actually pretty useful as it enforces signing, and yes, Ubuntu has the ability to use Secure Boot as well.

Mateo

not if they lock it down to enforced

Kaz Wolfe

12:25 AM

because properly-implemented Secure Boot and UEFI allows you to add your own certs.

note the key word "properly-implemented"

Microsoft does not properly implement jack.

David Cole - Grammar Police

TRUTH

Mateo

ok, I pulled the drive

Journeyman Geek

actually, its the motherboard and firmware makers who implement it....

and earlier MS specifications made that mandatory to pass testing

and ubuntu has a shim and fedora a completely signed bootloader to work with secureboot

Mateo

current status: doubtful

Kaz Wolfe

secure-boot lockdown so that it's impossible to add signatures?

because Secure Boot is very powerful, if you can add your own signature. I actually use it with shim.

i honestly do not remember microsoft requiring that. I know they require Secure Boot to be active, but not that adding other certs is unaccepted.

Mateo

12:29 AM

the new ones are optional lockdown

Byte Commander

Oh, and a downside of not properly implemented UEFI is that rm -rf / can turn your mainboard into toast.

Kaz Wolfe

this is why i said properly-implemented.

Mateo

Kaz Wolfe

EFI/UEFI/Secure Boot is very good and useful if it's implemented properly on the machine.

Especially in multi-boot environments.

And native GPT support.

David Cole - Grammar Police

Woo! 1200 rep XD

Byte Commander

12:32 AM

@Mateo Looks a bit too empty...

Mateo

I'm going to write the hd

first I need to tell them this isn't a "chrome book" mcmelectronics.com/product/58-18125#review

it came with windows...

Kaz Wolfe

@Mateo a chromebook with a 500gb drive. Kek.

Mateo

it doesn't have chrome, so not a chromebook

Journeyman Geek

@Mateo Its silver. Chrome is silver. It looks vaguely booklike in bad light....

Kaz Wolfe

(back to efi) i'm pretty sure EFI/UEFI allows more hardware capabilities too

David Cole - Grammar Police

12:35 AM

Is it just me, or does it feel wrong to ask a question that's just text these days :c

Journeyman Geek

yup

and bigger disks

Cause with disks, size matters.

David Cole - Grammar Police

I've got 3 TB

Plus 640

gb

Kaz Wolfe

on a single disk.

that's used to boot

Journeyman Geek

biggus discus!

Kaz Wolfe

i'm pretty sure OSes on non-EFI machines can still see 2+ tb drives.

David Cole - Grammar Police

12:37 AM

[Left] Ubuntu

[Right] Windows

James Tobin

@KazWolfe wrong

Kaz Wolfe

@JamesTobin counter-argument?

James Tobin

David Cole - Grammar Police

XD

Kaz Wolfe

that's not a counter-argument.

so my point is valid.

James Tobin

12:38 AM

ok

Journeyman Geek

@KazWolfe ah, thank god for educated folk.

James Tobin

it denies access to your machine

Kaz Wolfe

@JamesTobin example?

i have it on my system, and nothing is denied.

James Tobin

give me a uefi machine that lets you change the capacity of your RAM

Journeyman Geek

@JamesTobin wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Sakaki%27s_EFI_Install_Guide/…

@JamesTobin er... there's one right next to me

James Tobin

12:39 AM

fat

Journeyman Geek

and behind me

Kaz Wolfe

@JamesTobin my laptop at home (this one has soldered ram)

Journeyman Geek

and one behind my monitor

Kaz Wolfe

and all of the servers in my rack

Serg

BOO

Kaz Wolfe

12:39 AM

and every computer in the lab at the school i work at

James Tobin

install windows 98 on one with UEFI

or BeOS

Kaz Wolfe

@JamesTobin CSM mode.

Journeyman Geek

@JamesTobin why?

Serg

how's everyone doing ?

James Tobin

or even windows vista

Journeyman Geek

12:40 AM

You could run that on a VM

James Tobin

or Chalet OS 14.04

Chalet OS 14.04 didnt work with uefi

Kaz Wolfe

Then you turn on CSM.

James Tobin

what about an HP that doesnt let you go off uefi?

Kaz Wolfe

"properly-implemented"

James Tobin

uefi is not any faster. It actually boots slower

Kaz Wolfe

12:41 AM

really?

James Tobin

than an EQUIVALENT uefi

David Cole - Grammar Police

This is a discussion for a 1 - 1 room

:)

James Tobin

true a lot of old BIOS systems are slower but that's other reasons

Kaz Wolfe

i get POST times of 0.5 seconds in UEFI.

James Tobin

many recent BIOS systems outdo UEFI

Kaz Wolfe

12:42 AM

are bios systems even made anymore?

nope

yes

^-- @JourneymanGeek

ll

there are some

12:42 AM

Then, give us examples!

Videonauth

holla amigosand amigas

James Tobin

believe it or not windows 7 doesnt even work on uefi (but that's good)

Kaz Wolfe

you're dodging the question.

Videonauth

woah i come here after a long while just to hear that awfull W-Word -.-

James Tobin

my 2008 boots faster than my 2016 laptop

the POST

Kaz Wolfe

12:44 AM

@JamesTobin Do you have POST time on? Or keypress delay?

James Tobin

the 2008 has 2gb ram and the 2016 has 16 gb ram

Byte Commander

@Videonauth Your Spanish needs some improvements... ;-) Good evening!

Videonauth

well i never learned it :p

James Tobin

@kaz wolfe no it is set to be as fast as it can

Byte Commander

Una cerveza, por favor.

James Tobin

12:44 AM

and it is an hp that doesnt let you turn the d**n innovation off

Kaz Wolfe

are they equivalent machines? same hardware config?

James Tobin

@kaz the other one is dell

dell used to be good but now they are horrendous

with WD hard drives (shriek)

now it is enjoying a seagage

edwinksl

@Videonauth you are back???!!!

Videonauth

has anyone a few links for me, ubuntu arm version for Pi 3 or rasbian

Kaz Wolfe

okay, they're not equivalent questions.

Videonauth

12:45 AM

well semy back

just thought i say hello

James Tobin

@edwinksl yes

Kaz Wolfe

You still haven't answered my question about there being a recent BIOS computer we can compare recent UEFI computers against.

David Cole - Grammar Police

@KazWolfe and @JamesTobin Get a private chat room and talk about this

Videonauth

what the hell is uefi and bios , i start up my machine with a handwheel

3

:p

Kaz Wolfe

@DavidCole-GrammarPolice Or we can stay here. Because it doesn't matter.

David Cole - Grammar Police

12:46 AM

XD

James Tobin

@david it is not offtopic

edwinksl

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Q: David Cole, Your description

Shouldn't your description at the end have period before the happy face?

firefox

Kaz Wolfe

And there's a mod (sort of) in the discussion.

James Tobin

there's a lockdown on your hardware. overclocking is difficult

David Cole - Grammar Police

OMG

IM DYING

Kaz Wolfe

12:47 AM

@Serg @Oli --^

Nuke from orbit pls

James Tobin

and to disable a device is not possible

like fe disable a wifi card if you use externel on a desktop

Kaz Wolfe

@JamesTobin uh? my EFI has a section dedicated to CPU clock management.

James Tobin

@DavidCole-GrammarPolice you are already dead (see your profile photo) lol

Kaz Wolfe

And I can definitely enable/disable devices from both the EFI and the OS.

James Tobin

@KazWolfe CPU yeah

but what about RAM?

Kaz Wolfe

12:48 AM

Yep.

Byte Commander

@KazWolfe Since when does Serg have a nuke button? You meant Seth?

David Cole - Grammar Police

Noooo! I didn't get a chance to leave a witty comment before the question got deleted @edwinksl

James Tobin

does not work on the

Kaz Wolfe

@ByteCommander Yep. I hit TAB on seth, and...

weird.

James Tobin

tse3.mm.bing.net/…

edwinksl

12:49 AM

@KazWolfe thanks. on mobile, hard to ping mods

Kaz Wolfe

sorry

James Tobin

lol

Byte Commander

User self-deleted it.

David Cole - Grammar Police

I know ;-;

Kaz Wolfe

so we've been here a while now and I still see no arguments against UEFI where it's properly-implemented on enthusiast hardware

David Cole - Grammar Police

12:50 AM

GAH

I always forget to fix the titles on questions

Kaz Wolfe

is david editing?

DENY THE ENTIRE QUEUE LOL

James Tobin

@KazWolfe show me a UEFI that lets you clock your RAM

David Cole - Grammar Police

XD

Kaz Wolfe

James Tobin

that's CPU

Kaz Wolfe

12:52 AM

DDR3

Serg

@edwinksl what in the bloody hell was that ?

Kaz Wolfe

is not CPU

edwinksl

@Serg no clue bruh

David Cole - Grammar Police

What was what?

Serg

@ByteCommander I haz deletez votez and cloz votez

James Tobin

12:53 AM

I want you to borrow my 1991 machine

ATC

that has more options than a skynet server today

Kaz Wolfe

have you ever seen an asus bios in person on good hardware

Byte Commander

@Serg But not on fresh questions (delete votes)

Kaz Wolfe

there is essentially nothing locked to anything.

Serg

le what . . . ? i am sitting in my college library and . . .they have Ubuntu stickers on the computers here

Kaz Wolfe

and if there is, a quick re-flash fixes everything

Serg

12:54 AM

since when did they switch ?

James Tobin

@KazWolfe you couldnt get windows 98 on there

Kaz Wolfe

@JamesTobin CSM mode

Byte Commander

Acer UEFI settings are horrible. It looks like old BIOS interface, but with only 3 buttons. :-/

Kaz Wolfe

Is DEFINITELY on this box.

James Tobin

on a BIOS it could have one 8gb module I'd down it to 512 mb

edwinksl

12:55 AM

@Serg pics or it didn't happen

Kaz Wolfe

in fact, i know for a fact this motherboard runs windows 98

James Tobin

CPU could be anything

David Cole - Grammar Police

@edwinksl )_)

James Tobin

the BIOS is all set to go

Kaz Wolfe

@JamesTobin that's why I edited it -_-

James Tobin

12:55 AM

^.^

Videonauth

@serg do you have a link to raspian or ubuntu arm version ?

Serg

@Videonauth I can give you either, which one do you want ?

Byte Commander

I wonder if I can flash a different firmware with more options on my notebook without bricking it...

James Tobin

@KazWolfe can your machine split off your RAM? into virtual module(s)?

Kaz Wolfe

What BIOS can do that EFI cannot:
-

What EFI can do that bios cannot:
- >2TB drives
- GPT drives
- Better power/thermal management
- Much more powerful hardware management
- CSM mode for Windows 98
- Recovery Environments

Serg

12:56 AM

@edwinksl aaaaaw, they're bloody liars !!! There's Ubuntu stickers on the Machines, but they're imaged with Windows !

Videonauth

@serg well then both :) have to toy around with the pi i m awaiting :) getting a used one from a friend

Kaz Wolfe

@JamesTobin What the hell kind of machine has that useless feature?