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Fabby

9:22 PM

@hbdgaf: You awake?

hbdgaf

I am.

Fabby

Question on the English language:

Thomas W.

English Language & Usage: Multi-Layer…

Not for the faint of heart or those easily triggered by Englis...

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Fabby

If I want to say "Infrastructure of 10 countries"

10 countrie's infrastructure? or 10 countries' infrastructure?

Seth

Can someone run udevadm info -a -p /sys/class/power_supply && cat /sys/class/power_supply/AC/online for me please?

hbdgaf

9:23 PM

@ThomasW. easy there... I've explained a phrase or two to Fabby. It makes sense for him to ask me sometimes.

Seth

@ThomasW. Love that tagline.

Thomas W.

@Seth any os, or is 14.04 ok

Seth

@ThomasW. well not Windows.. Any Linux is cool with me :)

hbdgaf

@Fabby countries'

Thomas W.

% udevadm -a -p /sys/class/power_supply && cat /sys/class/power_supply/AC/online
udevadm: invalid option -- 'a'

Fabby

9:23 PM

@ThomasW. Difficult questions are for there! Easy ones that are technical: here! :P

Seth

say wat

Fabby

@hbdgaf Thanks!

Thomas W.

@Seth Ubuntu 14.04 amd64

Seth

oh right.

hbdgaf

@Fabby singular country, plural countries, singular possessive country's, plural possessive countries'

Fabby

9:24 PM

(Updating my CV)

Seth

try again please @ThomasW.

(edited the command)

Thomas W.

% udevadm info -a -p /sys/class/power_supply && cat /sys/class/power_supply/AC/online

Udevadm info starts with the device specified by the devpath and then
walks up the chain of parent devices. It prints for every device
found, all possible attributes in the udev rules key format.
A rule to match, can be composed by the attributes of the device
and the attributes from one single parent device.

  looking at device '/class/power_supply':
    KERNEL=="power_supply"
    SUBSYSTEM=="subsystem"
    DRIVER==""

@Seth ^

(AC adapter is connected to this system, not sure if it's evil)

Fabby

  looking at device '/class/power_supply':
    KERNEL=="power_supply"
    SUBSYSTEM=="subsystem"
    DRIVER==""

cat: /sys/class/power_supply/AC/online: No such file or directory

Thomas W.

@Seth ^

granted this is a laptop :P

if you need it on a desktop i'll remote into my home and access my dmz box

Seth

Oh, forgot to mention I wanted a laptop.. That's good ;)

Fabby

9:26 PM

cat /sys/class/power_supply/ACAD/online
1

Seth

I'm surprised the online file doesn't exist though..

Thomas W.

@Seth different file location perhaps?

Seth

@Fabby Aha, that's interesting.

Fabby

Now you're not any more:

it's AC/DC!

Thomas W.

% cat /sys/class/power_supply/ACAD/online
1

confirmed

Seth

9:27 PM

interesting.

hbdgaf

Or it just plain doesn't exist on a computer where Ubuntu doesn't detect removable power.

Seth

What make/model of machine and kernel version?

hbdgaf

@ThomasW. that's on a desktop installation profile?

Fabby

(Luckily @ByteCommander isn't on-line or he would be spamming us with video links)

Siemens Amilo

Thomas W.

@Seth Dell Inspirion 7520; kernel 3.13.0-48-generic

@hbdgaf It's a Desktop install on a laptop, yes

Fabby

9:28 PM

3.13.0-48-generic

Thomas W.

@hbdgaf i.e. from the 14.04 Desktop ISO

hbdgaf

that's not what i meant.

Seth

Thanks guys, that is a lot of help!

Thomas W.

@hbdgaf then explain

@hbdgaf 'desktop installation profile' = ??? (AMBIGUOUS)

Fabby

Laptop...

Seth

9:28 PM

@Fabby I see you're only 93 reputation away from being able to see chat flags :D

Fabby

Oh?

hbdgaf

@ThomasW. i was wondering if a desktop form factor that doesn't think it can be disconnected from power - does that file still exist?

Seth

@Fabby Could you tell me if it's a dell by any chance?

Fabby

Erm, I said a "Siemens Amilo" a bit earlier.??? >:) ;-)

Thomas W.

@hbdgaf not sure, i'll SSH to my desktop that's a custom build and see if that file exists.

$ cat /sys/class/power_supply/ACAD/online
cat: /sys/class/power_supply/ACAD/online: No such file or directory

Seth

9:30 PM

@Fabby ah, didn't recognize that as a brand/model. Sorry!

hbdgaf

@ThomasW. excellent. it would be interesting to know without having to spin up a vm.

Thomas W.

@hbdgaf nope it doesn't exist on the desktop form factor

hbdgaf

good to know.

Thomas W.

and neither does @Seth's stuff

looks like it doesn't detect a 'power supply' item

Seth

yeah, I'm pretty sure it's a laptop thing.

Fabby

9:31 PM

@Seth No worries: For completeness: my battery is removed...

Seth

Thanks!

Thomas W.

@hbdgaf sorry about not understanding your question earlier, it was a little ambiguous :/

Fabby

(running on pure AC, A bit more then a pound less heavy to lug around)

hbdgaf

@ThomasW. np.

that might be something that could be done better. shouldn't the onus of looking the same all the time be on the computer? that way software looking for information can be expected to behave the same all the time?

Fabby

@hbdgaf Yeah and if cows could fly, a shit on your car roof would be much worse then today... ;-)

hbdgaf

9:33 PM

Where did that come from?

Fabby

It should be like that, but it's not?

I come up with stupid stuff like that...

I don't know what the real expression is, so I come up with something myself...

What would be the English idiom to say:

It ought to be like that but it isn't?

Or is that one for English language?

hbdgaf

well just not talking about it certainly doesn't make it that way.

Fabby

:D True!

>:)

hbdgaf

@Fabby I just didn't know if that was an expression from some other language.

Fabby

You should have a look at the Windows Registry one day...

Nathan Osman

9:36 PM

Uhm... I just got a tweet directly to me from LG.

Fabby

:D Nah, I'm like that... The Flemish expression doesn't translate...

It goes smth like: "If cabbages were meat, cats would graze on them..."

It just doesn't translate very well...

Mateo

usingenglish.com/reference/idioms/…

hbdgaf

@Fabby you mean like this

Fabby

:-) That one is funnier then mine!

Mateo

that is a good one ;)

Fabby

9:40 PM

Is that an idiom or is that an "original"?

jrg

wrong screenshot

hbdgaf

I read on it, and it seems the "If it had wheels it would be a bike" expression is an Italian idiomatic expression.

Mateo

@jrg careful there ;)

jrg

@Mateo lol

usingenglish.com is not @hbdgaf, is it? "aking"?

hbdgaf

no, that is totally not me.

jrg

9:42 PM

Heh.

well, "aking" is currently leaking some MySQL/php errors on every page load... lol

hbdgaf

we already covered that i don't use php ;)

Nathan Osman

The best #AprilFoolsDay prank of all time was in 1994 when #PHP was first created. Man, that was a good one.

Tweeted by george_the_dev on March 31, 2015 at 2:56 AM

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Mateo

@jrg strange

hbdgaf

@NathanOsman Star. If you scroll back to the last time you posted it, you'll see the april fool's joke I'm waiting on... and man would it be a duzy.

Nathan Osman

Oh, I posted that last night and didn't realize anyone saw it.

Mateo

9:46 PM

i started to star and re-tweet something today - and then undid it because it was today...

Nathan Osman

This?

12 hours ago, by hbdgaf

The start date for the "everybody at walmart gets a raise to a living wage" is april 3rd. I'm waiting for an april 1 WOMP WOMP.

hbdgaf

Yes that.

Nathan Osman

I didn't realize that the living wage was a widespread thing.

They made a big deal about it at one company I worked for.

hbdgaf

Living wage is just a term to mean "minimum wage isn't enough to live. so we'll call a responsible minimum wage a living wage"

Nathan Osman

It's $20.10 here.

Mateo

9:50 PM

:(

min or living?

hbdgaf

sad_trombone.mp3

Nathan Osman

Living.

Minimum wage is something like $11 or $12.

Mateo

oh, that has to translate to usd, so not too diffrent

jrg

Minimum wage was never intended for adults.

hbdgaf

i do not disagree.

jrg

9:53 PM

it was for high school students.

hbdgaf

let alone adults encumbered with college debt, but now i'm bitching

jrg

@hbdgaf well true.

(and that is about all i'm doing with politics)

hbdgaf

it's fine. i wasn't genuinely upset.

Nathan Osman

What's up with this?

It's a verified account.

Has the account been compromised?

Mateo

I'm going to flag that as spam...

Nathan Osman

9:58 PM

Here's the MyWOT scorecard for the domain in the link.

@Mateo: I agree - it's spam. I'm wondering if the account was compromised or something and LG never intended to send it.

Mateo

well, the link looks strange

user136984

@NathanOsman Yes, as I have got to have a package for each version of Ubuntu (Trusty, Uptopic and Vivid), I have changed the information in the changelog file, but how do I change the package name? And do I change the version number in brackets in the changelog file as well (the version number next to the bit which defines which version of Ubuntu it is for)?

Nathan Osman

Let me show you what I do.

Mateo

not like you said anything with "LG" "g3" or anything in it, it would be bad practice to sent out stuff to everything that says "android"

hbdgaf

I do wonder if this bash script packaging discussion is ever going to end.

Nathan Osman

10:03 PM

I'm starting to wonder. The domain was registered with "101domain, Inc".

owner-contact: P-PZF21
owner-organization: Publicis - Allan Badian

user136984

@hbdgaf Well it will probably end when I have managed to upload this package to my PPA, which I hope will be some time this week. :)

Mateo

woah, check out system76 tshirts: system76.com/swag

hbdgaf

well that's a clever tshirt, and i do like the messenger bag.

or i could buy a 20 dollar messenger bag and put a one dollar bumper sticker on it.

Mateo

yeah...

would go good with their background ;)

Nathan Osman

@Toroidal: here's the latest changelog entry for my CMake package:

cmake (3.2.1-1ppa3~vivid1) vivid; urgency=medium

  * Fix path to icons in cmake-qt-gui.

 -- Nathan Osman <nathan@quickmediasolutions.com>  Mon, 30 Mar 2015 17:59:20 -0700

Anywhere you see "vivid" is where the release goes.

That should be all you need to change for each release.

user136984

10:11 PM

@NathanOsman Ok, so I only need to change the information in the changlog file and not anywhere else?

Nathan Osman

Yes.

user136984

Ok, thanks! :)

Mateo

this looks cool: ninjablocks.com/#

Nathan Osman

I just hatched the egg for RPi.SE. It took 626 days.

user136984

@NathanOsman By the way, what do the version numbers mean? Like for instance what does this mean "3.2.1-1"? Is the first number the major version, and then the second new features and that sort of less important thing, then less important minor fixes? But then what's the number after the "-"?

Nathan Osman

10:14 PM

Everything up to the dash is the upstream version number.

(The people creating the program.)

user136984

@NathanOsman And what about the number after the "-"?

Nathan Osman

The "3" after "ppa" in my example refers to the packaging revision. It gets reset to "1" when a new version of the program is released.

You will change that number if your package contains errors and fails to build and you have to make corrections.

user136984

@NathanOsman Ok, so my version number is just this "1.0-1~vivid", is that fine or should I add the extra numbers like you used in your example?

Nathan Osman

In your case, it probably doesn't matter much. You can keep what you've got.

user136984

Ok

user136984

10:19 PM

:)

user136984

@NathanOsman Anyway, thank you for all your help! It was very much appreciated as I have been battling with this packaging for some time now! :D

Nathan Osman

No problem.

Mateo

awesome series: youtube.com/playlist?list=PLIhLvue17Sd7F6pU2ByRRb0igiI-WKk3D you can even see ubuntu on a few machines in the background

Seth

10:40 PM

grr, udev is not co-operating.

hbdgaf

11:01 PM

@Mateo "It won game of the year, and it didn't sell as much as it needed to... So, I feel a little responsible."

Nathan Osman

Converting from Gnome to Unity is very difficult.

Seth

o_O

Mateo

11:28 PM

@hbdgaf mmm, yeah. Looks like one I would play, they just did a bit of sprucing up on that one

hbdgaf

Didn't know who made full throttle, but I loved that one. LOVED it. If you haven't played it, you should.

I think from a learning perspective, the other one would probably be a better learning experience on "just give people what they want. you don't have to make it better, just give them what they expect"

Mateo

Yeah, retrospective. I bought and really liked broken age - but I wasn't part of the backers

Seth

11:46 PM

My friend thinks this is my computer:

'It has a ghost in it. Take it back.' 'No.'

because systemd is controlling udev but init is still upstart o_O

hbdgaf

@Seth I laughed a lot.

Tim

Hello. I am running into some trouble here. My desktop was frozen, and then I restart compiz so I can still access the program running on the top (which happens to be firefox), but unity isn't running and restarting unity will give me only a blank desktop background on my screen. I don't want to close my running programs. How shall I do?

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