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12:54 AM
@tchrist My wife wanted to watch H2: Desolation of Smaug tonight, so I gave in. What the hell, how bad can it be, right? What a fucking travesty. Literally. When it wasn't tearing Tolkien to shreds it was absolutely boring me to tears.
 
I understand.
@Cerberus Thanks.
> ˌchthononoˈsology [n.]
I feel like I’m stuttering.
 
Did you see it?
 
Yes.
 
I thought it was even worse than the first.
At least in the first they had the excuse that they were just getting under way.
 
Some things were ok.
Others were execrable.
 
12:59 AM
The whole Smaug sequence made me want to throw my shoes at the TV.
Also Orlando Bloom.
 
When anyone but Bilbo was involved, certainly.
Thranduil seemed ok.
Bit over the top in places, but ok.
Dumb auburn chick hurt to watch.
 
Way over the top, IMO.
 
I can’t even remember her character’s name.
 
@tchrist Yes. She was recently seen on Lost, btw.
@tchrist Tauriel?
 
Never seen it.
Yes, that’s right: forest-chick.
 
1:01 AM
Yeah, my wife got hooked on Lost and I watched some of it with her. Including The Worst Ending of a TV Series Ever.
 
The Vala who is the Lord of the Hunt is Oromë in Q, Tauros in S.
Beleriand had Taur-nu-Fuin and Taur-im-Duinath, amongst others.
I wonder what the Sindarin was for the Greenwood in which Thranduil had his halls. Probably a Taur-something.
 
I thought her name described an amalgam of Ariel from The Tempest and the Minotaur.
 
No.
 
joke
 
> Mirkwood was a great forest in Middle-earth in the eastern region of ... It was also known as Greenwood the Great or Taur-e-Ndaedelos, and was later re-named ...
> It was only known by these names in the latter part of the Third Age, having previously been called Greenwood the Great (S: Eryn Galen) and ...
Hm, Daedalus.
 
1:06 AM
@tchrist If you had, it would have ruined everything associated with it for you, forever.
 
@Robusto It’s terrible to develop an addiction for something whose bottom drops out.
 
Aye.
I was never addicted, but I did watch the last season with her. Goddamn, what a horror show.
And not even a good horror show.
 
I understand it angered many people.
 
It was a gigantic middle finger given to people who spent six years watching that shit.
A friend of mine who was totally into it saw the last episode and said he wanted those six years back.
 
I’ll bet.
Like the dream-year of Dallas.
Was it an hour-long program?
 
1:11 AM
Anyway, back to H2:TDOS. It's been a few years, but last time I read The Hobbit I don't recall any cameo by Legolas. Especially as a martial arts elf who perfunctorily butchers an army corps of orcs.
 
Tolkien never finished the rewrite that would have placed Legolas where he belonged.
To not have him at all would not have made any sense. He is the King’s son.
But the rest, well, that’s for the children.
 
But what a lot of joyless, pointless butchery.
 
What terrible things men do “for the children”, you know?
 
I do know.
 
No magic, just an amusement park ride.
 
1:13 AM
They are trying so hard to dress this up as TLotR II.
 
Billions and billions of dollars.
 
There is never a moment to actually think about anything. And Bilbo's epiphany about Smaug's armor is reduced to the tiniest of motes, which you could literally miss if you did blink.
 
Radix malorum cupiditas est.
Including this one.
 
Part of the fun of reading Tolkien is having the leisure to enjoy the nuances of his invention.
@tchrist Well, it's certainly that.
You can just feel them all thinking, "I'm dancing as hard as I can, and grinning as wide as I can. Dancing and grinning. Dancing and grinning."
 
Feel whom?
 
1:18 AM
Everyone involved with the project.
All this huffa-puffa nonsense.
 
I’m sure they worked hard.
But the proof of the pudding is in the eating, not in the effort.
 
That's my point.
It shouldn't seem like they're putting a whole lot of effort in.
It shouldn't seem so . . . desperate.
 
Did you see last Sunday night’s Game of Thones episode?
 
The Mad Kinglet got his comeuppance, and Martin did the screenplay, so we got some extra stuff.
 
1:21 AM
@tchrist Yes. We talked about that, I thought.
 
Kinda.
You said you’d been holding it in for years.
 
Yes.
 
Martin did not write the Dragonstone scenes, though.
Plus you never know what they’re going to do with a script.
 
I forget the dragon queen's name now.
Khaleesi.
 
Dany.
 
1:22 AM
Danerys, yeah.
 
Daenerys Targaryen.
 
She has little enough to do in the books, but in the TV series she seems like an airliner that's been put in a holding pattern until the air traffic controllers can figure out how to bring her in.
Right, Daenerys.
 
The second season being the worst at that.
But she’s doing that in the books, too.
 
Yes. But it's just made more obvious on the screen.
 
Pretty sure they’re on a seven-season arc.
 
1:24 AM
Because you don't get any of the little intrigues. She has 90 seconds to deal with half a book's worth of motivation and plot development.
 
Which means I expect them to catch up with the books midway through next season.
Bran meets Bloodraven in the last episode. I have no earthly idea what they will do with him next season.
 
I'm losing the chronology. Doesn't Tyrion kill his dad in the most recent book?
 
No, end of Storm.
That will be in episode 10 this season.
That was the last book that had an ending.
 
Ah. I tend to telescope everything together in my memory. The books run together anyway.
 
They run concurrently, yes.
 
1:27 AM
In a featureless kind of way.
Martin seems determined to flatten every arc he sees.
 
Hopefully the showrunners will telescope the last two books for next season.
He meanders mercilessly.
Blue balls.
 
Yup.
So what is he doing writing screenplays? He should be in his cubby putting paid to this whole mess.
 
I know, right?
He writes one per season.
 
@tchrist The science of earthly diseases?
 
We all know it is going to end in a final battle between Daenerys (with Tyrion) and Jon Snow.
And somehow Daenerys and Jon will kinda hit it off.
The End.
 
1:30 AM
ˌchthononoˈsology.

Etymology: f. as prec. + nosology.

‘The geography of diseases’ (Syd. Soc. Lex. 1881)
@Robusto I doubt they both will survive; Tyrion may, however.
 
Strange.
What does geography even mean? It can only be a metaphor, as in an overview / description of diseases.
 
Right.
 
@tchrist I would put money on both of them surviving.
 
@tchrist I say is both bad Greek and bad English.
You cannot use chthôn like that.
And the meaning is already complete in nosology, which basically means an overview or classification of diseases.
 
It is odd.
 
1:33 AM
@Cerberus I like a good Djinn and chthonic now and again.
 
Hah.
Mixing metaphors is one thing.
But mixing pantheons?
 
I don't mix metaphors. I scramble them.
 
(Or should that be pantatheon...)
 
Never mix, never worry!
 
Hrmpf.
 
1:34 AM
@Cerberus Pentatheon?
 
Notice how I held off from mixing pauci- with -nym.
 
Panta is the plural of pan. Pan theon means "all of the gods".
 
I know that.
 
@tchrist You mean with -onym.
 
Or Pas in the nom. sg., apparently.
 
1:35 AM
The o is part of the word.
 
Ok.
 
@tchrist That's masculine. Pasa feminine.
 
But it still doesn’t go there.
 
@Robusto I am not surprised.
@tchrist What doesn't go where?
 
Pauci- isn’t Greek.
 
1:36 AM
Indeed not.
 
I was rolling the joke into the area of pentathlon.
 
We were disgusting bad mixing.
 
Disgusting.
The stem of that word is pauc- btw., but the Romans often used -i- as a connecting vowel, it is true.
Although they tended not to create long words the way the Greeks did.
 
How dare they?
 
Hey, it's their language!
 
1:37 AM
paucal [adj.]
pauˈcality ← paucal
† paucht [v.]
× pauchty → paughty
pauci- [pref.]
pauciarthritis ← pauci- [comb. form]
pauciarticular ← pauci- [comb. form]
pauciarˈticulate ← pauci-
paucibacillary ← pauci- [comb. form]
pauciˈdentate ← pauci-
pauciˈflorous ← pauci-
pauciˈfoliate ← pauci-
† ˈpaucify [v.]
pauciˈlithionite ← pauci-
pauciˈlocular ← pauci-
pauciloquent [adj.]
pauˈciloquently [adv.] ← pauciloquent
pauˈciloquy [n.]
pauciˈnervate ← pauci-
pauciˈpinnate ← pauci-
pauciˈradiate ← pauci-
pauciˈspiral ← pauci-
 
Somewhere in Indo-China (or maybe Indonesia) there must be a Pau City.
 
Pow! Pow!
 
Pau! Pau!
 
Pao! Pao!
The Languages of Pao.
 
Oh.
Yes.
 
1:39 AM
Jack Vance
Spatterlight Press LLC

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By the way, can you explain to me why paulatinamente came to mean “gradually” in Spanish and Portuguese?
I can’t see it.
 
Paulatim means gradually.
 
It does?
Well, that would do it.
 
> paulātim (paull-), adv. [paulum], by little and little, by degrees, gradually (syn. sensim).
From paulum, which I think is from paucus.
 
Ahah!
I was thinking there was a connection, but didn’t know it.
 
1:41 AM
Or perhaps only indirectly:
> paulus (paull-), a, um, adj. [for paurulus; Gr. root παῦρος; cf. misellus for miserulus].
 
Lorin @7.5 months is now ~7 pounds and Randy @8.5 months is ~10 pounds.
 
I think there is a Proto-Indo-European root like *pau- meaning "little" that both words were derived from, but I don't know the exact routes.
 
@tchrist Cute.
 
Well, you have nice eyes.
 
1:43 AM
You've aged quite a bit since last time.
 
That's Rutger Hauer. My eyes are green, not blue.
 
Rutger is a good name.
 
For a Kraut, sure.
 
Roger that.
 
It's actually Dutch.
Is it related to Roger?
 
1:44 AM
I was going to say, "Or a Dutchman."
 
Ni idea.
 
Roger is related to Ogier.
 
Perhaps Rutger is also German, but I know they have Rüdiger.
 
Ogier the Dane (French: Ogier le Danois or archaically Ogier de Danemarche, Danish: Holger Danske) is a legendary character who first appears in an Old French chanson de geste, in the cycle of poems Geste de Doon de Mayence. Historical references The 12th-century Danish chronicler Saxo Grammaticus was not familiar with the character, and Ogier has not been connected to any historic event in Denmark. A chronicle from St Martin's monastery in Cologne claims that the monastery had been pillaged by the Saxons in 778, but that it was rebuilt by "Olgerus, dux Daniæ" ("Olger, War-Leader of the...
 
Ruddigore.
 
1:46 AM
Famous-spear.
@Robusto Didn't know that guy.
 
(brb)
 
Spear is gar in OE. Now it occurs to me that gore must be a cognate of that in both its verb and noun meanings.
 
Could be?
 
> c.1400, from Scottish gorren "to pierce, stab," origin unknown, perhaps related to Old English gar "spear" (see gar, also gore (n.2) "triangular piece of ground"). Related: Gored; goring.
 
I guess the verb would make sense.
 
1:47 AM
Etymonline
 
Cf. however Dutch goor "dirty" (informal).
 
Hmm, actually Roger is more closely related to Hrothgar.
Both mean the same thing.
 
Ah OK.
Good to know.
I like knowing which words are related.
Makes my world look neat and simple.
 
 
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n11
1:19 PM
Hmm laptops in classroom has another drawback: some people's keyboards make a lot of noise
 
 
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2:32 PM
posted on April 20, 2014 by sgdi

A couple were down on the farm Having some fun in the barn They went and made hay Till the end of the day And then spun some thread into yarn

 
2:51 PM
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3:08 PM
Ain't no bot nohow.
 
Well, I am.
I forgot something very important. I had something very important in mind and wanted to ask it here, but it slipped my mind. Don't know what it was. I really feel frustrated now. Feel like I have lost something.
What do you call this state?
 
When you intend to talk about something and it slips your mind. You try to remember it but you simply cannot.
 
26 secs ago, by Johan Larsson
30+
 
well, I am 20-
 
3:14 PM
:)
 
what's up there in Sweden?
Anything new in general?
 
nothing I know but that does not mean much
if there was something huge Cerb would have told me though
 
Watching The IT Crowd
 
4:09 PM
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Q: What lexical relationship lies between the days of the week?

KatherineI'm confused, What is the lexical relationship between "Monday" and "Tuesday"? I mean is the relationship hyponymy, prototypes, polysemy, homophones, metonymy etc?

I can't decide what's more strange, the question itself, or the comment by Aaron...
 
 
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6:00 PM
@RegDwigнt That hurts my head to think about.
 
Hi all
 
@RegDwigнt Also, does "Twosday" come before "Threesday" in Chinese? In Japanese the day names are 日曜日 "Sun Day", 月曜日"Moon Day", 火曜日 "Fire Day", 水曜日 "Water Day", 木曜日"Wood (Tree) Day", 金曜日 "Gold (or Silver) Day", and 土曜日 "Earth (Soil) Day".
 
:)
 
n11
starting to list days at sunday or monday is like 0 or 1-based array indexing
Guys, is the number of possible chess configurations finite or infinite?
by configuration I mean a whole game, and 2 games are the same if all their moves are the same
 
6:45 PM
@Robusto In some languages, it does. Portuguese has segunda-feira, terça-feira, quarta-feira, quinta-feira, sexta-feira, sábado, domingo, with Sunday last.
However, one normally skips the -feira in casual conversation.
 
Jez
Well I'll be. and the new thing i've learnt today is that "speak with a forked tongue" comes from the native Americans, not from the Biblical Genesis story!
 
A segunda-feira é considerada o segundo dia da semana, seguindo o domingo e precedendo a terça-feira. {| border=1 width="80%" |- | 1° dia || 2° dia || 3° dia || 4° dia || 5° dia || 6° dia || último dia |- | Domingo || Segunda-feira || Terça-feira || Quarta-feira || Quinta-feira || Sexta-feira || Sábado |} Por ordenação de trabalho, lazer e pela normal ISO, a segunda-feira é considerada o primeiro dia da semana, sendo assim na maioria dos calendários em todo o mundo. {| border=1 width="80%" |- | 1° dia || 2° dia || 3° dia || 4° dia || 5° dia || 6° dia || último dia |- | Segunda-feira || ...
 
Jez
just a coincidence that Eve was tempted by a snake
 
Forked tongue, two-faced speaker.
Os dias da semana têm seus nomes na língua portuguesa devido à liturgia católica por iniciativa de Martinho de Dume, que denominava os dias da semana da Páscoa com dias santos em que não se deveria trabalhar, originando os nomes litúrgicos: {| class="wikitable" |- ! Latim I !! Latim II !! Significado !! Latim litúrgico I !! Latim litúrgico II |- | dies solis || solis dies || dia do Sol || prima feria || feria prima |- | dies lunae || lunae dies || dia da Lua || secunda feria || feria secunda |- | dies martis || martis dies || dia de Marte || tertia feria || feria tertia |- | dies mercuri...
 
7:23 PM
I wan't to live where it is < one hour drive to this
 
Jez
"wan't"?
 
:) ty ty
that was a strange dumb
 
Jez
i've seen it before though
it's no't an uncommon mistake
 
confusing then & than seems common
 
Jez
yep
same with your and you're
 
7:34 PM
that one is hard though :)
to & too is huge pain also
 
Jez
no, your and you're is exceptionally easy
i have no idea why people find it hard
 
can you spell ambiguous?
 
Jez
erm, you just did
 
I think I get it right 30% of the time, have spellchecker in Chrome
Don't always look for squigglies though
I look at the keys when I type :D
 
Jez
there probably ought to be a popup every time someone starts a sentence with "your"
saying "did you mean that? there's at least a 50% chance you didn't"
 
7:43 PM
maybe a temp ban?
 
Jez
??
 
joke
you write .net right?
 
Jez
8:15 PM
yeah
 
did you watch many talks on this years build?
 
Jez
this years build?
 
8:51 PM
@Robusto Who is Tolkein?
 

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