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12:15 AM
Hello!
 
 
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2:15 AM
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Hello! Long time no talk.
 
@Robusto Fancy seeing you here.
 
It is. Very fancy.
 
tries to think of joke with infancy. fails
Sorry about your Chiefs, btw. Again.
 
2:17 AM
Also, looks like Ronda is done dealing.
 
Now the cheatingest teams can duke it out.
 
...
 
Yeah. She's . . . loyal to a fault.
Remember? How that Steelers coach stepped on the line like three years ago?
 
I don't, but I'll take your word for it.
Anyway, that's all the more reason for you to take the Patriots to your heart.
 
NEVAR!
And Tom Brady is ugly!
 
2:20 AM
Come to the Dark Side ... mwuhahahaha!!!!
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 That may be stretching the point just a tad.
 
@Robusto Mutually exclusive.
 
Anyway, I'm not one to judge the relative beauty of quarterbacks. Which of them do you say qualify as attractive?
 
Ooh, let's see.
 
If any ...
I'm guessing not Ben Roethlisberger.
 
Well, Alex Smith is pretty good. A-Rod is good.
No, he's like a fat Will Ferrell.
 
2:26 AM
BTW, I was watching a couple of MMA fighters (can't remember their names) playing on Poker After Dark. I was struck by their ears. The term "cauliflower" comes to mind as wholly inadequate to describe the appendages.
 
Russell Wilson once in a while.
See, I don't understand that. It's easily preventable.
 
Maybe it's sort of a badge of honor.
 
Look at Robbie Lawler.
 
You know ... scars.
How would you avoid that?
 
Cauliflower ear? By draining them when it happens.
 
2:29 AM
What, when they swell?
 
Hmm.
 
It's like literally all that's required.
IIRC.
 
Then either they're too dumb or careless to do that, or else they look on that as somehow an addition to their persona.
They all have broken noses as well, which I don't think can be drained away.
 
Oh, I totally accept the badge-of-honor reasoning. I just wouldn't do it, myself.
 
2:31 AM
Me either. I value my ears too much for listening to music.
 
I would think that at some point, you would block off your hearing.
Right?!
 
Yup.
I'm guessing they can still hear death metal, though.
 
Norwegian?
Brazilian?
 
Norwegian black.
 
Isn't it wack? Norwegian black.
 
2:33 AM
Nice segue to John Lennon.
 
Hold on, 'busto; 'busto hold on
 
See? I knew when I saw you in here that there would be something in it for me.
Puns and obscure music references. What could be more satisfying?
 
So after twentyish years of seeing their name and figuring they sounded like Bread or maybe Sweet, I bought a Nektar album.
 
And? Your verdict?
 
Shit, then they'll know you were here.
If I star it.
 
2:36 AM
They'll know anyway. Go ahead, Fuck Da Police.
 
Nektar is great! Nektar might be better than Yes. There, I said it. :x
 
Whoa. That's a bold statement.
 
Well . . .
I haven't heard enough of either to say that. But I do tire of Jon Anderson's voice sometimes.
And they seem versatile so far.
 
I seem never to tire of Steve Howe and Chris Squire ...
 
Is it Anderson's voice that I'm thinking of?
Anyway, maybe it's wrong to compare the two.
 
2:38 AM
Falsettoish and strident at the same time? That's Anderson.
 
Haha. I almost wrote LOL twice tonight. Saved myself at the last instant.
 
Not that time, you didn't.
 
Look again.
 
Dammit.
You like pinball?
 
2:42 AM
Feb 3 '11 at 20:07, by Robusto
See, that's why we go over this stuff.
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 I used to, in the student center as an undergrad when there was nothing else to do or I was waiting to play ping pong or something.
Haven't played in literally decades.
 
You?
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 You've listened to Fragile of course, right?
 
I do. Always have. One of the many coffeehouses I went to long ago had a machine in one of the bathrooms. They would change it out every once in a while.
Of course. Fragile is fantastic.
 
@cornbreadninja麵包忍者 Weird place to have a pinball machine. Only one sex can play at a time?
 
@Robusto both 'rooms were unisex.
Unisex one-seaters.
 
2:46 AM
ah
 
Anyway.
I got a Pinbox 3000 for Christmas. It's a cardboard pinball machine that you can customize.
 
Pix or it didn't happen ...
 
Please hold.
So, okay. So you get two playing fields with the kit. Blank ones. And the flippers and the plunger are built into the playfield.
So I have only made prototypes so far.
 
That looks ... awesome!
 
I'm uploading a video.
I haven't taken as many pictures as I thought.
 
2:53 AM
Cool.
 
Thanks. I will give that a listen.
But I thought you were uploading videos of your pinbox3000 ...
 
I was.
Erm, it's all wiggy.
Is it wiggy for you?
 
Yep, it's wiggly.
But cool!
Did I mention cool?
 
That was hard to watch.
They give you marbles with the kit. The bearing is really fast.
Weighs a little over 3x as much as the marble.
 
3:01 AM
Sweet.
 
I bought some velostat to make sensors.
 
Oh? How does that work?
 
Definitely cool.
 
3:14 AM
@Robusto I can only bring myself to say "LOL" in scare quotes. If I say it out loud, they're air quotes.
 
@snailplane It's a slippery slope.
 
I tried to use SE's search again today. I searched for ŋ. That got me results for n instead, so I searched for "ŋ" in quotes, which . . . also got me results for n.
I've long been in the habit of simply ignoring the existence of SE's search feature, since for most of Japanese.SE's existence, it was useless for searching in Japanese. Now it's just useful enough to forget, from time to time, that it still isn't terribly useful.
 
@snailplane At least it didn't give you π.
@snailplane I get very weird results when searching for Japanese, even in Google.
 
I didn't know you should move them like this when air quoting.
 
@Færd That is absolutely required. Where do you think the air is?
 
3:26 AM
I bend them once.
 
I have a doubt about subject-verb agreement rules.
Ripe tomatoes, leafy Brussels sprouts, and a handy orange [WHat goes here?] rich in Vitamin C.
is or are
 
@Robusto The air?
@YashasSamaga That's a question, not a doubt. :)
 
usually when the subject consists of multiple objects joined by the 'and' conjunction, we consider the subject to be pural overall
@Færd coming to the doubt
but in the above example I stated, the sentence is actually trying to say that each of the item has Vitamin C
the last item in the list is singular
I am actually mixing OR rules with AND here
is sounds more pleasing for my ears
but if I'd have to strictly follow the rules, it should be 'are' I guess?
are sounds good too :/
I am confused now
 
@Færd Your fingers need to move in the air. That's why they're air quotes.
 
Right.
 
3:29 AM
@Færd That's the British way. Americans use double quotes, so they do them twice.
Actually, just kidding. Do them however you wish. You'll likely be understood.
 
It's not the movement that makes it double, is it?
Ah, OK.
@YashasSamaga They have vitamin C.
They each have vitamin C.
Each of them has vitamin C.
 
Prince Charles makes "heir" quotes.
 
@YashasSamaga An en dash!
 
And by bending them once I make err quotes.
 
@Færd I agree with Robusto on the absoluteness of the requiredness.
@Færd "LOL"
 
3:33 AM
@snailplane Too much effort.
@YashasSamaga Get my point there?
 
When each is the subject, the verb is singular.
 
I just can't make myself say it earnestly. I ran across it in the early 90s when I came across people from AOL, where "LOL" was apparently running rampant. I guess I associated it, at the time, with their lack of netiquette, and I distanced myself from it without really realizing it.
 
so the answer to the question is 'are'
 
True.
There are exceptions though:
> Two hours is not a long time.
 
3:35 AM
@YashasSamaga Yes
@Færd Yes. That's a measure expression.
> Peanut butter and jelly is my favorite kind of sandwich.
> Peanut butter and jelly are both very good flavors.
Whether something is singular or plural can depend on how we're thinking about it.
Is it conceptualized as a single unit? Or are you thinking about the things that make it up individually?
When you say two hours in Two hours is not a long time, you're thinking about the length of time as a whole. You aren't thinking about each of the two hours individually, although it is technically possible to do so, in which case you could use a plural verb form.
 
@snailplane Same for "two kilometers" or "two gallons of gas" ... It's not about individual units considered separately.
 
If you're going to be technical about the air quotation gesture, you have to hold one hand upside down, because one pair of the commas are inverted.
You'd be miming orangutans.
 
3:51 AM
Unfortunately, dishonest politics (was, were) used to win the election.
dishonest politics...
 
@Færd Not in English. And if you make that gesture upside-down it can be construed as obscene.
 
both sound right
how do I determine the number in dishonest politics?
 
2. (used with a sing. or pl. verb)
a. The activities or affairs engaged in by a government, politician, or political party: "Our politics has been corrupted by money and suffused with meanness" (Peter Edelman)."Politics have appealed to me since I was at Oxford because they are exciting morning, noon, and night" (Jeffrey Archer).
b. The methods or tactics involved in managing a state or government: The politics of the former regime were rejected by the new government leadership. If the politics of the conservative government now borders on the repressive, what can be expected when the econo
It's your choice. But I'd go with plural. When in doubt, go with what sounds right.
 
both sounded alright for me
I'd go with plural too
 
And that's it for me tonight. Laterz, people.
 
 
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6:24 AM
The ghostly remains of the ship [lies/lie] in a lonely berth more than two miles deep in the North Atlantic.
ghostly remains
I can consider it as a single wreck
or as a collection of wreck
the above two types will yield two different answers for the aforementioned question
how do I answer it?
 
 
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1:17 PM
@YashasSamaga "lie" is correct. It isn't really based in this case on how you conceptualize it. Rather, "remains" is generally plural at all times, even when referring to something that is conceptually singular.
 
 
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4:51 PM
@Robusto With regard to the obscenity of the gesture, as well it might be. I'm not aware of any specific meaning, though.
But do you mean there are no inverted commas in quotation marks in English?
 
It sounded like you were describing this kind of quotation:
> "this„
Or maybe
> „this"
Some languages use that style but English doesn't as far as I know.
 
That's right. It doesn't. Nor the French guillemets, even though it has an English name, apparently ("duckfoot quote").
Guillemots, on the other hand, we do have.
 
5:09 PM
Is that the << >> ?
 
5:40 PM
Yes. «» ASCII 171 and 187.
 
6:05 PM
I wonder if they're French. Greek uses them too but I very much doubt they're ancient. Most likely modern Greek took them from the French but, alas, Greek.se isn't up yet :(
 

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