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3:00 PM
@Wesley errr dude that IP address is the opendns nxdomain address
 
@MikeyB I'll ask them to do that. However, notice the IP address? That's OpenDNS's cache miss IP. I use...
yeah, beat me to it.
 
@Wesley I fucking hate OpenDNS for that reason.
 
@MikeyB When you query OpenDNS's cache, it comes back with the vendor's proper IP address though. So now... just curious... what does that make you think?
 
@Wesley what's the actual address? what do you get from a dig trace?
 
@MikeyB I can nslookup against OpenDNS servers and get the proper IP address on the same box. When they telnet to their update server, they get OpenDNS NXdomain cache miss IP.
@MikeyB No access to dig. Just a nslookup interface. Remember, I have no shell to this appliance.
 
3:01 PM
@Wesley I think I know the answer
 
@MikeyB I asked if they had resolver cache on the box, and they said no, but I suspect they're... not clueful.
 
@Jacob Is there anything you do besides sleep that doesn't involve a computer?
 
@BigHomie I walk my dog.
 
hah updates.brazzers.com is not a good example. It exists.
 
@MikeyB What could they possibly use that for?
 
3:03 PM
@MikeyB So 1) There's a strange IPv6 response or something, but not an official AAAA record being delivered. 2) OpenDNS's IP address is in the mix somehow, 3) There appears to be caching on the appliance but they're saying it's not.
 
@Jacob that's cool
 
○ → host updates.wesley.com 208.67.222.222
Using domain server:
Name: 208.67.222.222
Address: 208.67.222.222#53
Aliases:

updates.wesley.com has address 67.215.65.132
updates.wesley.com has IPv6 address ::ffff:67.215.65.132
Host updates.wesley.com not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
 
@MikeyB Right, but their updates.poopyvendor.com exists.
 
@Wesley what's the actual address?
 
@MikeyB Incoming, catch it fast I'll remove it shortly: aaaand it's gone
I can dig it and get the right response.
 
3:04 PM
○ → host updates.vendor.com
Host updates.vendor.com not found: 3(NXDOMAIN)
 
While I applaud your detail, you should start with the "answer" and then include the necessary or extraneous details after the answer itself. So I would suggest making your "Nothing stops you doing this" your first sentence and explain why the OP can do this, rather than giving an explanation of what subnetting is. — TheCleaner 16 secs ago
 
@Wesley not for me!
 
@NathanC Sorry, .net
Wow I'm a tool wagon.
It helps when the sysadmin is not a derpface.
 
er...damnit, SE
 
@Jacob Just saying the tech bigwigs make it so we can't even take a dump without checking our phablets, that's supposed to be a place of sanctity
 
3:05 PM
@MikeyB Sorry, it's .net
 
@Wesley host returns correctly with the .net
for me
 
@BigHomie Well I don't, only have one hand...
 
But, the server I'm testing with doesn't have IPv6 enabled
 
@Jacob Trust me that day is coming, do you have a droid??
 
Why is it that whenever a system runs out of disk space, we always instinctually blame the largest files... That's not rational.
 
3:07 PM
@BigHomie Oh no it's not either.
@KevinSoviero It is rational.
 
:15135576 That's opendns's fault - they have a derpy DNS server out there that returns the IPv6 nxdomain address for a hostname with only an IPv4 record
 
@MikeyB So it appears that one time their update cron job didn't get a proper response from OpenDNS, and somehow they keep getting the response over and over and over again, but locally I think? Anyway I just stopped the pcap so I'll check the packets.
 
@Jacob nah, @KevinSoviero is right, b/c log files are the culprit and they're only 1kb, @Bob!!!!!!!! ;)
 
@MikeyB This never happened before two days ago though.
 
@BigHomie Only if you have log rotation enabled.
 
3:09 PM
@KevinSoviero @jacob has it- for unstructured data, on average at my shop, the big files consume some 70% of the disk
 
@Wesley Yeah look at this man:
 
mind you, our unstructured data is particularly unstructured...
 
@MikeyB But no other application on the appliance appears to be having this issue. I have a web based nslookup tool that the appliance allows me to use for troubleshooting and I get the proper response. Ping on the box gets a proper response. It's just one or two apps that are seeing this problem.
 
○ → host -a updates.mailfoundry.net 208.67.220.222
updates.mailfoundry.net. 1245	IN	A	66.18.18.59

○ → host -a updates.mailfoundry.net 208.67.220.220
updates.mailfoundry.net. 402	IN	A	66.18.18.59
updates.mailfoundry.net. 0	IN	AAAA	::ffff:67.215.65.132
@Wesley The solution is clearly to STOP USING OPENDNS. Push that at the vendor.
 
@MikeyB OpenDNS was my decision because other DNS hosts rate limited.
I was planning on spinning up my own BIND server though.
 
3:10 PM
@Wesley OK, stop using OpenDNS. It's broken. Done and done.
 
@MikeyB So 220 has the lame IPv6 record, but not 222? Wow, I never would have thought.
 
@MikeyB Something like that bit me a while ago, see serverfault.com/questions/578952/…
 
I'm probably out of my mind buying a potential money pit for a daily driver...but I don't care. 2003 BMW X5 4.4i. I offered them $7,500. We'll see...
 
@Wesley I get different results from different hosts.
but those two lookups were from the same host.
 
@TheCleaner WHY an X5?
 
3:11 PM
@MikeyB But still that doesn't quite help me understand why every app on the server doesn't care about it, but telnet does, and apparently their update script relies on telnet (WTF)
 
@TheCleaner In Austin that car would be $15K+ My old 2001 Toyota 4Runner with over 100K miles was $10K
 
@TheCleaner looks good for an '03
 
@KevinSoviero Heh, I bought a 03 cavalier with 115k miles for $6k a couple years ago
 
@Jacob I'm looking for something under $9k that is stylish, has electronic everything, etc. and 4 doors. I considered an Xterra, an Acura TL Type S, etc. I'm open to suggestions though.
 
3:12 PM
LS sport even, so it had all the features
 
@Wesley on whatever they're using (FreeBSD?) there's one telnet for both IPv4 and IPv6.
 
@TheCleaner Why an SUV
 
@KevinSoviero The X5's of that era tend to go cheap...due to them being costly to maintain.
 
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Q: What's a reasonable amount of life to get out of an well maintenance American car manufactured in the 2000s? 4 season climate?

BigHomieAges ago, it seemed like 100k miles was the 'aging point' of a car, either some type of milestone or a warning to start searching for something new. As engineering gets better though, it seems like that's not the case. 100k miles nowadays seems like nothing for a car, I have a 2001 Buick Regal t...

May not be a moneypit given the advances made w/ cars nowadays, although I realize that's not American it doesn't matter
 
@TheCleaner Can't go wrong with a chevy cavalier...just sayin' :p
 
3:13 PM
@MikeyB Dunno what OS it is. I assumed Linux. But follow my brains here:
 
@Jacob just a switch...I'm going from a 4 door car with 5 speed manual...want to get something that rides higher again.
 
@TheCleaner Tacoma TRD sport edition
 
@NathanC um no... :)
 
@MikeyB Nevermind. I'm cogitating.
 
@Jacob Pricey...but I love them. Especially with 4 doors. If I could find one for the price I'd be all over it.
 
3:15 PM
@Wesley Linux (tends to) have separate telnet and telnet6 binaries. Whereas on FreeBSD, telnet tries IPv6 address first and if it fails falls back to IPv4.
 
@TheCleaner Buy a new one.
 
@TheCleaner Hey, mine's treated me well other than some mechanical stuff (likely because of the previous owner)
It's on 137k miles now and runs great.
 
@MikeyB Depends on the distro
 
@Wesley STOP USING OPENDNS
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This 99 4Runner Ltd 4WD is asking $7700...another I might consider
 
3:16 PM
@MikeyB freebsd telnet defaults to v6? There's too many variables at play since I don't have a shell on the thing. I'm trying to trace this through my head to answer why this would have just started on the 22nd. Maybe OpenDNS suddenly inserted the v6 answer on .220 on the 22nd?
@MikeyB Okay fine, got a BIND recurser I can change it to for a week or so? =)
 
@Wesley Does afraid.org throttle? That's another good one
 
@JennyD (hence the qualifier) :)
@Wesley 8.8.8.8?
 
@NathanC Afraid does recursors?
 
I just want a 2014 Lexis IS 250 AWD... Is that so much to ask?
 
@Jacob I'm paying cash...so it has to be under $9k.
 
3:16 PM
@MikeyB Rate limiting.
 
@TheCleaner I know what I just said, but I'd be leery about buying a car that old. It's one thing if I've owned it forever, but someone else's problems are someone else's problems
 
@NathanC I'd consider the Cruze...if I were getting another car...
 
@Wesley 2001:470:1d:165::1 or 216.16.235.100← that work for you?
 
@TheCleaner I'll sell you my 2010 Corolla S for 10k
64k miles
 
@MikeyB Baron?
 
3:18 PM
@mossy :) No car this round. Either giant SUV or sporty SUV or giganto 4 door truck. I don't care about the environment. :)
 
You'd... you'd let me? I do a few ten thousand lookups a day.
 
@TheCleaner I understand :p
 
@Wesley Oh right...fair enough.
 
I was looking into premium recursor services.
 
I'm trying to sell it so I can buy a bike.
 
3:18 PM
@Wesley Amazon Route 53?
 
@Wesley Sure. Or better, just fire up a VM on say DO: digitalocean.com/?refcode=71b6e0acabc2 for a couple weeks. No cost.
 
Can't afford both :(
 
@Wesley tens of thousand lookups is nothing
 
@NathanC Methinks thou are a tad confused. I'm looking for a DNS resolver / recursor, not zone hosting. I use Route53 for my zones.
 
@mossy I'd love a nice motorcycle but only for the weekends...
 
3:19 PM
@MikeyB Yeah I know, but still, didn't want to assume you thought it was just doing a few lookups an hour. =P
 
@Wesley Edit /etc/gai.conf (man gai.conf) to set precedence to ipv4 nets
 
@Wesley ...fair enough. >.>
 
@MikeyB Heck, a 12 hour pcap of all port 53 traffic to and from the mail appliance only captured like 22 MB
 
@TheCleaner My drive to work is 5 minutes. I would be fine with a junker.
When I bought that car I was driving A LOT.
 
DNS traffic is ~50% of our total traffic
 
3:20 PM
@Wesley Meh, that machine mostly sits idle anyways.
 
@JennyD Oh nifty.
 
because of the mail server, naturally (DNSBL lookups)
 
@MikeyB You'd get to see all the stuff I handle mail for. =P
 
Seriously though, just fire up a quick VM with Linux preinstalled and run a recursor.
 
@Wesley Downside is it needs to be done on every client that has the problem...
 
3:20 PM
@MikeyB Right. I was looking at a Micro instance or something. DO might be good. I'm interested in seeing how they work, but I've also got a few spare pizza boxes in my rack so might as well use them.
 
but then, that's what puppet/CFEngine is for
 
@JennyD You didn't mention Chef. :'(
 
@Wesley I keep forgetting it exists :-)
 
@mossy I've had some great "junkers". My best was a 95 Maxima SE I bought for $2k that had 255k miles on it. I drove it for 4 years only changing the oil, tires, and brake pads. That car was a great car. Bulletproof engine the VQ is.
 
Bob
@faker Eh... it's on jessie.
8.21
I'd test other versions, but I think I've nuked enough for tonight.
 
3:22 PM
@TheCleaner Yeah that's pretty much what I'm looking for.
 
@TheCleaner I've put almost 200k on my current Buick, 3800 is a great engine, rest of the powertrain is too, I've had it in all 3 of my cars
 
@TheCleaner This is what I have my eye on. cl.ly/image/083M05013A3Y
 
@TheCleaner it had 50k on it when I got it too
 
Only problem is that I'm 23, and I hear insurance is going to be a car payment.
 
@Bob I tried CentOS 5 and 6. 5 has by default --no-... set. CentOS 6 accepts --n funnily it complains when you try --v
 
Bob
3:24 PM
@faker So... bug?
Sounds like something changed in getopt.
 
@mossy a gixxer is awesome...but I'm too old for one now. I'd like a decent cruiser at this point.
@BigHomie yeah the 3800 is a good engine. Easy to repair, plenty of cheap replacement parts, etc. That v6 was used in practically everything GM made it would seem.
 
rm -rf --no-preserve-root --one-file-system /
Boom! :P
 
@NathanC Why --one-file-system?
 
@Bob well --v is ambiguous (--version or --verbose). there is no other --n option, so... :D
 
@KevinSoviero --one-file-system when removing a hierarchy recursively, skip any
directory that is on a file system different from
that of the corresponding command line argument
Oh wait, you want it to do that
 
3:27 PM
@TheCleaner yeah, I had a '94 grand am I bought used in '05 and it was awesome, drove it from Detroit to Lansing (~80 mi one way) pretty much every weekend, only leaked oil so I kept a 5qt container of it in the back, it was a very small leak
 
Bob
@faker I was thinking this is effectively a rm bug. Why have a long protective option if you can just shorten it anyway?
 
but...it'll hide those pesky /proc access denied errors :p
 
@Bob absolutely!
 
@BigHomie Heh, before I needed another engine my car would burn ~2 quarts a week
2
All the seals and gaskets were blown out...and the car still ran.
 
@NathanC That's sick!
 
3:28 PM
@Bob Dude, you should be in bed...
 
Okay, how big was the engine?
 
Bob
@Jacob Could we not start this again?
 
@BigHomie yeah, the Ecotech engines in the cavalier are pretty nice. It was a 2.4L I think.
 
@RobM I have no need for ReiserFS support since 10+years of using it, instead, ext4 all the time is giving me problems, (eg, yesterday), and I am hardly can find support, or have to go a long distance to find support. — Peter Teoh 13 mins ago
 
@Bob Sure, but only because you know I'm right :)
 
3:29 PM
@NathanC Are they? I don't have experience with them, heard of them though
 
I have 5 different cars that in my mind I'd love to own, but will probably never happen (and possibly good that it won't).
Sunbeam Tiger
VW Corrado VR6
2001 Audi S4
2001 BMW 540i sport
 
cars are hard
 
@BigHomie Yeah, after that fiasco I haven't had a single issue (if you're reading this murphy, don't get any ideas) with the engine
 
I'm about to hit 37,000 miles...
after 6 years with my BMW
 
@ewwhite Wow, don't drive much? I've put over 30,000 in 2 years
 
3:30 PM
@TheCleaner The only list that matters: usnews.rankingsandreviews.com/cars-trucks/rankings/…
 
@NathanC I've got 25k on my 2 year old truck, but first sem Uni was 400 miles away.
@KevinSoviero Who needs affordable? Fun is more important.
 
I used to drive a lot.
 
...redhat 3? Why?! — Nathan C 7 secs ago
 
@ewwhite I didn't know you were a sr. citizen dude
 
Seriously now.
 
3:31 PM
@ewwhite but then again you fly everywhere you need to go so... who needs a car?
 
@KevinSoviero give me that list for "used under $10k" :) I've been trying to find such a list. Autotrader has one, but it sucks. It's based on their own likes...I want something Consumer Reports style with actual data to back up their claims.
 
@KevinSoviero Jaguar XFR I don't need no reviews. :)
 
@NathanC Looks like my wife has an Ecotec, so we'll see how it does, 60k so far all our miles
 
@TheCleaner Why do you want to pay in cash?
 
3:33 PM
@TheCleaner What kind of car?
 
@Jacob Just a personal choice I guess. We only owe our mortgage.
 
@TheCleaner Have you looked at a lease?
Those seem to be good options these days
 
@Jacob I've done it before...but I wanted something this time that I could abuse and not care about.
@KevinSoviero SUV or truck. But also considering something like a TL Type S or similar "fast sedan".
 
So how good a job did I do making this general?
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A: How can I safely use storage thin provisioning?

BasilGenerically, whether you're talking about SCSI LUNs (SAN) or network file systems (NAS), thin provisioned storage is when you tell the storage client that it has more space than you've actually allocated to it. This has no risks on its own, but if you don't have enough actual storage to allow eve...

 
@TheCleaner Oh, I was just curious. I'm still going with the Tacoma, it's quick, and it will last forever as long as you change the oil.
 
3:35 PM
8
Q: Should I lease, buy new, or buy used?

BigHomieI'm looking for an answer based on quality (they don't make 'em like they used to), price (are new cars even worth the $), and/or reliability/low maintenance (where leasing is attractive) which option makes the most sense. I'm not asking what to buy, just in general what would experts on the site...

 
@BigHomie I own my truck, but if I get a car I'd definitely lease it.
 
@BigHomie Missing the most affordable option, there.
 
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork don't drive a car?
 
pk.
@ewwhite after a quick google stalking, i realize that we went to same high school around the same time
 
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork steal it from your boss?
 
3:39 PM
@pk. I didn't go to high school
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@DennisKaarsemaker Well, steal it from someone, yes.
 
pk.
@ewwhite then my google-fu is broken.
 
@Basil yes, you did.
@pk. possibly :)
 
@ewwhite Grandpa Ed always makes the most outrageous claims!
 
@ewwhite thanks :)
 
3:40 PM
"I fought the Kaiser at the top of the Eiffel Tower!"
suuuuure grandpa
 
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork Stealing a car isn't legal in MI
 
@ewwhite That's what you think. The fake identity I set up under your name to commit crimes with certainly did go to high school. Where you committed some impressively profitable financial crimes, BTW.
 
@JoelESalas and it was an epic battle!
 
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork HA! I knew it!
 
@pk. so when did you attend the Brooklyn Academy of the Arts?
 
3:40 PM
@BigHomie Right, that's why you steal it from Canada and drive it across the border, into MI.
 
@BigHomie What's your budget?
 
@Jacob I would only lease if I was super old, or owned a couple of cars and wanted to be frivolous. Something like a Caddy (are you surprised?)
 
@pk. Er, New Trier.
 
pk.
@ewwhite lol, i can't tell if you're just messing with me or not
 
@ewwhite We want to buy one server and one storage device, who do i send an email for the official quote?
 
3:42 PM
@pk. He'll get in your head man, he's a PsyOps expert
 
@JoelESalas Not in the market right now, one we pay off the mrs car then probably. Why you ask? know somebody?
 
@DanilaLadner me
 
pk.
i was two years behind you (or someone with your name) at ETHS
 
@pk. Well, I was around then... :)
I got my start in systems administration at ETHS.
 
pk.
@ewwhite Bacon Computer Lab?
 
3:43 PM
@MikeyB So dig @208.67.220.220 any updates.mailfoundry.net shows:
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;updates.mailfoundry.net.	IN	ANY

;; ANSWER SECTION:
updates.mailfoundry.net. 932	IN	A	66.18.18.59
updates.mailfoundry.net. 0	IN	AAAA	::ffff:67.215.65.132
But dig @208.67.222.222 any updates.mailfoundry.net shows:
 
@ewwhite The quote will need to be from the vendor though.
 
;; QUESTION SECTION:
;updates.mailfoundry.net.	IN	ANY

;; ANSWER SECTION:
updates.mailfoundry.net. 1103	IN	A	66.18.18.59
 
cos i need to cc Dave on that.
 
So that means that OpenDNS has some kind of shadow zone insertion or whatever you want to call it. @MikeyB
 
@Wesley and an explicit AAAA query?
 
@pk. no, at the Chem/Phys Theory Center - I managed a Ultrix Unix server named: dec1.eths.k12.il.us
 
:15136737 wesleys-air:~ wesley$ dig @208.67.220.220 AAAA updates.mailfoundry.com

; <<>> DiG 9.8.3-P1 <<>> @208.67.220.220 AAAA updates.mailfoundry.com
; (1 server found)
;; global options: +cmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 37845
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 1, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;updates.mailfoundry.com.	IN	AAAA

;; ANSWER SECTION:
updates.mailfoundry.com. 0	IN	AAAA	::ffff:67.215.65.132
 
@DanilaLadner yes... just email me what you need, and I'll make sure the right solution gets quoted.
 
So OpenDNS is in essence adding a host to mail foundry's zone.
That host being their NXDomain response server
WTF
 
pk.
@ewwhite i wish i would have known that stuff like that existed when i was there
 
3:46 PM
so don't use opendns.
 
@ewwhite Ok, i will build out on hp site and then send you those specs in request. Also i will probably add 2 pcie hdds to the server.
 
@pk. It's how it goes...
 
@Wesley WTF is this shit?
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@MichaelHampton That's what I want to know.
 
@DanilaLadner no need for all of that. Just tell me: CPU, RAM, disks and I'll make it work.
 
3:47 PM
@MichaelHampton /this/that/
 
@pk. yeah that's pretty cool you both had that, DPS needs a serious overhaul
 
It's shit, is what it is. OpenDNS is shit. I knew it was, but this... this takes the proverbial cake.
 
even if you didn't take advantage , it's still an option and we don't even have that
 
e.g.
This is a DL380p Gen8 system for my wife’s company. Quote has been approved. Can you give me today’s pricing on the configuration below?

- HP ProLiant DL380p Gen8 2U
2 x hex-core E5-2643v2 3.50GHz CPU
64GB RAM - Redundant power supply and fans
- 4 x 900GB 10k SAS disks
- 2 x Mercury Accelsior E2 PCI Flash SSD - 480GB
 
@Wesley so set up bind on a spare box and be done with it.
 
3:48 PM
K cool.
 
@DennisKaarsemaker Yeah, I'm seeing what I've got dormant in my rack. I wanted to set up my own DNS server(s) but this is forcing my hand.
 
@BigHomie rich school, man.
@pk. So... why did you stalk me?
 
Bob
@Wesley Isn't it just this thing?
 
@ewwhite yeah but I don't even think our rich schools have stuff like that
 
@Bob OpenDNS is a thing, yes.
 
3:50 PM
@ewwhite I mean they have college prep, and there are vocational schools that are supplementary, but I don't think the voc schools have that level of training for sys admins, maybe there's a job there for me
 
@BigHomie This is the "server" I learned administration on...
 
pk.
@ewwhite the trail was something like...shanemaddenhired -> top7useronserverfault -> ohwhoelseisonthere? -> youcameupwithchicagolocation -> piquedmycuriousity -> dugdeeperandsawevanstonmention
 
ah, okay
 
@ewwhite Also that 400G ssd on storage box that is for zfs zil?
 
@ewwhite lolwut
 
3:52 PM
<-- Thinks back to the hot freshman blonde he dated Junior year in high school
@Wesley I was 15!!
 
@ewwhite I don't see a picture.
 
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A: Is it common to say "late girlfriend"?

BigHomieIt's not a commonly used term that I'm aware of, and I'm sure that you next girlfriend won't appreciate your use of that term, should you choose to continue dating despite your epic heartbreak. Former girlfriend or one of your old girlfriends sounds a lot more like you parted on mutual terms, if ...

 
So apparently OpenDNS thinks I'm it's soap-fetching prison bitch.
 
@DanilaLadner No.
 
And apparently I am it's soap-fetching prison... uh... girlfriend.
@Magellan Hold me.
 
3:55 PM
@DanilaLadner you haven't given me storage specs. Tell me what you're thinking about
 
@ewwhite He's thinking about soap.
Lots of soap.
 
@Wesley Not until you get bathed.
 
@Magellan Oh no not again with the soap. =(
 
Anybody ever have a girlfriend die on them?
3
 
@voretaq7 So apparently I have a Parker Vacumatic.
 
3:56 PM
@BigHomie Like literally on top of you?
 
@Magellan those things are cool
 
@BigHomie Nomination for best quote starred... in context 2014.
 
@Wesley Either or
@Wesley lol thnx
 
@pk. so who. are. you?
 
I can't hear "late girlfriend" without having my heart rate spike, and have an urge to flee the country. I used a rubber, there's no way she should be "late."
 
3:57 PM
@ewwhite he's your late-ex-girlfriend
 
@ewwhite He's Batman!
 
@HopelessN00bGeniusofnetwork we only had saran wrap in my neighborhood growing up/
 
@BigHomie blah blah blah ah here we are, Cause and Manner of death: "Myocardial infarction due to incredible sex. The death is ruled a homicide." ?
 
pk.
@ewwhite you can't tell from my picture? i look different now
 
@ewwhite will start with 12 900K disks.
 
3:58 PM
@DanilaLadner so you want a 25-bay DL380p Gen8 with 12 x 900GB 10k disks.
 
what are 900k disks?
 
pk.
@ewwhite phil kluss if you must know
 
i had a 20 MB disk once, but a 900k disk? :D
 

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