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5:00 PM
So if you had a Supermicro 24-bay chassis... and one disk kept getting errors in one slot, would you suspect that the slot was bad?
 
Did you put a different disk in it and still get errors?
 
And what are the chances of a "bad slot"
 
Or put the disk in a different slot and it works fine?
 
hey all
 
hey @MattBear
 
5:01 PM
@ewwhite With Suckymicro? Anything could be bad.
 
I mean, I've never had ONE drive slot go bad.
 
@ewwhite what @MichaelHampton says or better still a different chassis too
 
@MichaelHampton Y U Badmouth Supermicro?
 
quick question, Ubuntu server automatic updates, good or bad?
 
@voretaq7 because
 
5:02 PM
@MattBear All automatic updates are bad. You want to review them yourself before you install them.
 
my counterpart's solution is to pop a disk in an unused slot as a spare, pull the disk from the bad slot and let the mirror rebuild
 
Automatic updates, bad. Ubuntu server, bad.
 
@MichaelHampton I've never had a supermicro box shipped to me with a bad backplane or drive slot. I have had Dells arrive in that condition.
 
a bad SAS slot is like a bad port on the switch... burn the entire thing!!!
 
@ewwhite Your counterpart is an idiot - if you have a "bad slot" the entire backplane is suspect and should be replaced.
 
5:03 PM
@voretaq7 even the security updates?
 
@MattBear yup.
Never install an update you haven't reviewed (and preferably tested)
 
ok, cleared that up :D thanks
 
@voretaq7 That @ewwhite's coworker is an idiot is very well established at this point.
 
@MattBear IMHO servers shouldn't even be able to talk to the external update servers (you should mirror the updates, test them, then install from the tested mirror set)
 
I've been cleared to spec a new server
 
5:04 PM
all my updates right now go through a three stages, dev, staging, then production
 
otherwise you wind up with servers running all sorts of different versions of software
 
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Q: Powershell - Windows forms - script calling another script, 2nd script modifying form elements

user177282I'm developing a Powershell script that's going to present the user with a GUI. When the user presses a button in the GUI, I want it to call, (execute), a 2nd powershell script, the 2nd script will do some things, and then modify form elements in the GUI, (Like a CheckedListBox), that the first ...

This is kind of pushing the limits of our scope, is it not?
 
@MattBear The security update was very effect. No one will be able to break into the system because the system will no longer start.
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@MattBear As God and Waterfall intended!
 
Who wants a picture story!??
rear of HP drive cage.
HP drive backplane.
 
5:06 PM
@ewwhite where's the burnt part
 
Eeeeevil.
 
boss is freaking out cause an old hosted joomla site suffered a javascript injection attack... so now he wants documentation on his desk of what I'm doing to prevent it
 
@ewwhite This isn't going to be as sexy as that sounds, is it?
 
(note protective blue tape above PCI card)
 
@MattBear You're deleting the Joomla! site.
 
5:07 PM
never mind that the joomla site wasnt mine, I dont have joomla on my servers, and he was warned about that vulnerability
 
@ewwhite Your Brazzers porn is suspiciously short on... porn.
 
@MichaelHampton Jankiness can be pr0n.
 
HOT SERVER TAKES 24 DISKS IN HER SLOTS ALL AT ONCE!
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@ewwhite . . . . Someone needs to die for this.
 
@voretaq7 Oh, they made me do unspeakable things.
 
also TheTim is keynoting. It's just not the same as TheSteve :-/
 
Try supporting this.
 
That does not qualify as "porn". It seems much closer to "horror".
 
(this soothes the soul... since we're about to embark on working around a bad disk slot)
 
5:14 PM
@MichaelHampton Disaster Porn?
 
This is a man-made disaster...
 
heh... keynote demo apparently blowing up
 
A Windows 98 demo?
 
@MichaelHampton iOS race cars
 
what am I missing?
 
5:18 PM
@ewwhite Nothing important.
 
This sounds like a Really Bad Idea. And I'm having a lot of difficulty coming up with a scenario where we might do this in a professional environment. — Michael Hampton 7 secs ago
 
@ewwhite Is that a molex to sata power adapter?
@ewwhite ....why is that serial cable split out to an external and an internal device?
 
5:35 PM
@ScottPack Indeed, it is... and the serial... for programming
@MichaelHampton @ScottPack At least someone likes my computer pr0n!
 
@ewwhite I didn't say I disliked it; I said it wasn't what I was expecting.
 
Oh, I wouldn't say I'm liking it Bob.
@ewwhite But....you made a splitter to take an internal serial port to an internal serial port and to an external serial port!
 
@ScottPack coupled to a usb-serial adapter draped to the FRONT of the server
not enough serial on the box... not enough USB in the right places
 
I can't find a picture on google with enough facepalms to adequately describe my feelings.
 
iCloud keychain! I'm excited!
Think of all the data I can steal
 
5:42 PM
remembered credit cards? yuck
my four year old would love that...
 
@ewwhite That explains the USB 3.0 PCIe card...
 
what the, apple?!
why MaverickS?
not like the previous were plural...
 
@ScottPack :(
 
I guess blowing fuses is common in cars. Especially the cigarette lighter one when I use it to charge my phone :P
 
@David The town is called Mavericks
 
5:44 PM
Oh, here's a good one.
 
or rather the beach is
 
There's actually a scorch mark where the metal parts separated O.o
 
@voretaq7 dumb
OS X Lions!
lol
 
@NathanC the fuse shouldn't be blowing unless you're overloading it...
 
OS X Chico
OS X San Luis Obisbo
 
5:45 PM
@David well they were running out of cat names. Would you rather OS X Civet?
 
@NathanC That's normal.
 
OS X Miami
 
I may have...I have an inverter that I use as well. It was beeping at me when I had two laptops plugged into it heh
 
@David personally I think they should just stick to version numbers
 
But the lighters didn't actually stop working until a week later
 
5:46 PM
but what do I know.
 
@voretaq7 same
although i think they should ditch the 10.x crap
and just call it 11
 
@NathanC Fuses (especially automotive fuses) have progressive failure
 
Oh, and the easyID fuses are crap.
It didn't light up or anything :P
 
so you might have partially burned through it with the inverter and then your phone popped the last tiny bit of metal
 
@David Why? It worked for Solaris.
 
5:47 PM
Ah, that would explain it.
 
@David nothing they've done warrants an 11
 
@voretaq7 nothing Firefox has done warrants a 21
 
@voretaq7 We don't go to 11!
 
@David so because Firefox is DOING IT WRONG everyone else should?
 
@voretaq7 yes
 
5:48 PM
also iCal now knows about travel time -- that's the one feature I've seen so far that I like.
 
I'm still waiting for OSX Cougar. We'll probably have to wait for 10.35 first, though.
 
boom!
 
they do it with iOS, why cant they do it with OS X
the changes are on-par with ios 5 to 6 and presumably 6 to 7
 
@voretaq7 They probably integrated iCal with Google Now.
 
@ScottPack it appears to use the iOS/Apple mapping engine
(so it probably can't do mass transit)
 
5:50 PM
@voretaq7 So it'll only know travel times to businesses on Yelp?
 
@ScottPack it'll only know walking and driving
 
mornin' gents.
 
Just a friendly reminder.
 
I'd like to know more about this "appmap" power saving shit - it seems to just not do the graphics rendering for stuff that's (completely?) hidden
 
ha
 
5:51 PM
@Adrian Morning? It's 1pm here!
 
17:52 on my servers.
 
@KevinSoviero West Coast, Baby. It's Summer Time, and The Livin's Fine.
 
@Adrian Doesn't that still make it 11am?
 
12 hour battery life? I'll believe it when I use it...
 
1:53 PM here - Also 17:53 on my servers....
 
5:54 PM
@KevinSoviero Yes. I suppose it is for those who are slaves to the corporate-enforced pseudo-lifestyle that is slavery to such mundane concerns as time and departure and arrival.
 
@voretaq7 My laptop has a 1 year battery life. But only if it's turned off.
 
@voretaq7 That's standby, which is figured based on a powered off device.
 
@ScottPack they're saying that's the in-use time. Like I said, I'll believe it when I see it
 
@Adrian I like my "corporate-enforced pseudo-lifestyle that is slavery." It pays well. ;)
 
one of the admins emailed the application owner to ask for a reboot:
 
5:57 PM
@KevinSoviero This is true. And I'm far too German to do this for more than a month or two at a time. I start to get twitchy after awhile. I even went across the street yesterday to help the neighbors build a retaining wall around their garden beds.
 
I'm assuming <app> will be unavailable during this time period, so I'll need to know that. Is there any risk of losing data during the reboot/backup process? Thanks.
>.>
 
@Cole I'm not seeing the funny yet...
 
...the new mac pro is s trash can? :)
 
"cant innovate any more, my ass!"
 
@KevinSoviero if rebooting the server would cause them to lose data.
 
5:59 PM
@Cole You'd be amazed by the things I've seen. Never reboot Zimbra without expecting some downtime afterwards.
 
I may be in a very grouchy mood since I've been sitting in a lotus connections meeting for hours now + a coworker and I got into it.
 
@Cole There's always the risk of disks not spinning back up. Have you ever tried to start a disk that has ran continually for 10 years?
 
It's a VM
 
@ScottPack I have not. What happens
 
Never underestimate the possibility of administrator stupidity.
 
6:01 PM
Wow, you have virtual machines there? I thought your company was a technological backwater!
 
I think this lotus connections meeting is making me grumpy
 
@Travis If you're very very lucky it spnis back up.
 
We actually have a lot of VMs...that are NT and 2000
 
@MichaelHampton They're VirtualBox VMs... ;)
 
@ScottPack Really...why is that
 
6:02 PM
j/k BTW
 
Now I have to go into a meeting about WINS
 
@Cole If the topic isn't "Why the fuck is this shit still on our network" then don't bother.
 
Well that's how this meeting started. I said that last Wednesday
Almost verbatim
My boss was like "we still have that running?"
 
I want a donut.
 
@Travis I have to assume they're tired.
 
6:05 PM
@ScottPack I bet
 
@Travis I honestly have no idea why. I've just worked on enough old disks to know that once a system's been powered on for a good long time there's a relatively high chance of spectacular failure on reboot.
 
@ScottPack That explains why our 10 year-old phone system has never been rebooted...
 
@ScottPack I wonder if that applies to SSDs?
Or will apply to them once they've been around for 10 years.
 
I try not to reboot anything if I can help it. Of course I never suspected anyone to have 10 year old disks. I wasn't happy we had 8 year old ones
 
@KevinSoviero No, but they have their own awesome problems.
 
6:08 PM
@ScottPack long-term disk failure? Usually it's because the motor lube gets cooked (or shifted) to the point where the drive can't spin the platters from a dead stop anymore
 
@voretaq7 Makes sense. That, or compilations due to thermal expansion, would have been my guess.
 
If your drive supports the SMART feature that tells you how much current it's drawing you'll see the number goes up after a few years.
 
@Travis How can you possibly have a 10 year uptime without disks at least 10 years old?
 
@ScottPack Replacing drives in a RAID?
 
@ScottPack I don't have 10 year uptimes
 
6:09 PM
@ScottPack multiple drive failures & replacements.
 
@KevinSoviero You're adorable.
 
@ScottPack Hm?
 
So. Fun fact. Our AC went out last week and our office has been 80-82 since Wednesday night. Our work order to the HVAC shop was closed on Friday morning with the comment, "Unit working as expected." Our thermostat and room temperature condensor lines say otherwise.
 
@ScottPack What they mean is "Unit working as expected........since it is broke"
 
@ScottPack It could be working as expected in that they want you to sweat. :P
 
6:11 PM
@ScottPack "as expected" != "as designed"
 
@Travis Could be.
 
lololol oh Apple
 
I'm always wearing a sweatshirt or something in the office because the thermostat is in an office that has its door shut 99% of the time.
 
"lets see how this works on Windows 8. We have IE and Chrome here, I'm gonna open up Chrome" audience laughs
 
why diddnt I think of this sooner..
Bacula message, every 15 seconds. ERROR in authenticate.c:303 UA Hello from client:168.63.129.16:36131 is invalid. Len=0
 
6:14 PM
@MattBear Bacula driving you batty again?
 
cant figure out what the fuck is on that IP, I finally just blocked it
should of done that sooner lol
 
@MattBear ... you're checking Bacula's status with a TCP port check every 15 seconds? :)
 
@voretaq7 its sitting on azure, and thats not an IP of anything I own
 
@MattBear OrgName: Microsoft Corp
 
snicker Azure.
 
6:15 PM
@MichaelHampton yeah, I know its one of thiers, but I cant figure out why its hitting that port every 15 seconds
 
I occasionally see traffic from my "neighbors" on Azure. It's a bit disturbing. Bring up your firewalls!
 
@MichaelHampton </3 security.
 
g'day all
 
i find it funny that azure charges more for Linux instances...
 
@NathanC ?? its exactly the same
unless they just changed pricing...
 
6:17 PM
@MattBear Yeah, Azure just raised all their prices.
 
@NathanC Nothing would surprise me about Azure. Everything's wonky.
 
@MichaelHampton they charge less for linux
 
My big complaint about Azure is that they charge for a powered off VM as if it were still running.
 
Sweet. WINS will be leaving shortly
 
6:18 PM
"OS 7 is the biggest change to iOS since the introduction of iPhone "

-- because apple don't say that every year
 
@RobM hahaha
 
@MichaelHampton you just remove the VM, the drive sits in the blob ready to be plugged into a new vm
 
@MattBear Oh, their prices changed again
 
holy crap! they offer 8 CPU VM's with 56 GB RAM now
 
I currently have a trial account with them...
8 CPUs :D
 
6:20 PM
$1468.80 a month for a windows machine
$1180.80 a month for linux
 
I stand corrected
 
Whoa why would you want to use Azure for that kind of $$?
 
Apparently the free trial "ran out" with 74 days left ...they don't say there's limits anywhere except the A0-A1 instances that it'll run out of credit early...
oops
 
@NathanC yeah, they do say it somewhere I ran into that too
I think its data transfer that runs it out'
 
holy shit
3d interface in ios 7?
 
6:22 PM
impossible since it was an idle VM
ugh...their storage account setup is irritating
 
@NathanC hmm not sure then
 
@MattBear Yeah, that's what I do, but it's a real pain in the ass.
 
@David Big deal. The Gibson had one of those back in the 80s.
 
@RobM it has some pretty impressive (and power-hungry) changes.
 
Wait, they're going from 10 to 7?
 
6:24 PM
@MattBear It's likely based on how AWS does their stuff. You get instance-hours of their smallest VM
 
@NathanC hmm, dunno really
 
@ScottPack SGI FSN FTW?
 
And anyway, I'm waiting for the RHEL 7 announcement on Wednesday.
 
@NathanC you look at the Active Cloud Monitoring add-on?
Active Cloud Monitoring by MetricsHub monitors your cloud applications and automatically scales your service up or down based on rules you set. Within minutes, you'll improve up-time and decrease cost.
 
@MichaelHampton It's going to be difficult to put off learning systemd.
 
6:26 PM
so they're talking about weather...
does the fucking icon show the weather at my current location yet?
 
@MichaelHampton That's expected for Wednesday?
 
@ScottPack Good thing I've been using it for a while now :)
@freiheit Yes, at the Red Hat summit
 
@ScottPack I'm hoping puppet will just magically handle all of my systemd needs... ;)
 
@MattBear Nope, but AWS's Auto-Scaling does the same thing
 
@NathanC how well does AWS's work?
 
6:28 PM
@freiheit And this is why Wizards look down on Sorcers. Sure, you can use it, but if you don't understand it you'll never become a master.
 
@ScottPack Understanding is not required, only obedience.
 
@voretaq7 You use Ubuntu don't you?
 
@ScottPack not by choice :(
 
@ScottPack Oh, I'll end up learning it, but I don't want that to slow down deploying RHEL7 by more than a day or two...
 
6:29 PM
and Ubuntu has neither understanding nor obedience - that fucking thing NEVER does what I tell it to!
oh noes - flashlight app developers are going to mass-suicide
 
Que?
 
@ScottPack meanwhile the sorceror takes the wizards spell book, and the Master now cant do anything
 
@MattBear I recommend waiting until the wizard is asleep. Otherwise you've got a, potentially, fully prepared (and pissed) magic user staring you straight in the face.
 
@ewwhite EL7 defaults to XFS for all partitions
 
Interesting.
 
6:36 PM
@ewwhite In-place upgrades will be supported
 
My brother wants me to send him money.
Yeah, list of things that won't be happening.
 
@MichaelHampton Can XFS be shrunk yet?
 
@ScottPack Not that I've heard
 
Not that I have to shrink partitions very often, but that's a pretty big caveat if you ask me.
 
Yeah, usually our partitions are too small
 
6:40 PM
@ScottPack IF, he prepared the right spells that day
 
@MattBear That's an annoyance I have with canned mods. The wizards almost always have shit spells prepared.
 
"Oh shit, its a red dragon, I thought we were gonna fight undead!"
 
@MattBear No pink dragons
 
@MichaelHampton WUT?!?
 
give me a monk :p
 
6:44 PM
@MichaelHampton double-WUT
 
@ewwhite I had a feeling that would get your attention :)
@ewwhite Yeah, you'll basically log in to the box, type redhat-upgrade and go have a beer.
 
@MichaelHampton where do i see/hear this?
 
6 mins ago, by Michael Hampton
http://searchdatacenter.techtarget.com/news/2240185580/Red-Hat-discloses-RHEL-roadmap
Seems like they're going to fork off from Fedora 18-19. Might see a beta by 3Q.
@ewwhite The full announcements will be at the summit on Wednesday, as soon as I have the slides I'll be sure and point you at it
 
@MichaelHampton melt...
 
@MattBear So far the most combat effective characters I've had, in Pathfinder at least, have been a Two-Handed Weapon style Infiltrator Ranger and an Arcane Duelist Bard.
 
6:53 PM
@ewwhite The in place upgrade is pretty smooth if you don't have any crappy third party repos.
 
@MichaelHampton Care to ping me on that as well?
 
If you just have the base stuff plus EPEL then it's close to flawless
@ScottPack Sure
 
@MichaelHampton perfect.
 
@ScottPack Lick.
 
Hey sweetness.
 
6:56 PM
@ScottPack ♫ Monday Mondayyyyy ♫
 
Oh Nagios.... /kicks
 
Lotus Connections sucks dick.
 
it's ignoring my forced recheck commands -.-
 
This meeting is like watching paint dry
 
6:58 PM
@Cole So about average, then?
 
At least you have meetings...
There are a few things that you might think suck when you do them...but when you don't have them you realize it sucks worse. 1) A "no terminate" policy. 2) Planning or management meetings
 

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