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12:11 AM
Well, I have to go and do some real work now, so if you want to answer questions, now's your chance.
 
12:35 AM
Oh great, so now we're supposed to accept link-only answers?
 
12:55 AM
@MichaelHampton link
 
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A: Can we get some consensus on what flag to use for link only answers?

Anna LearNote that it's impossible to post a literally link-only answer. The minimum post length requirements ignore URLs. That said, why should they be flagged at all? Link-only answers may be poor answers, but unless the link is completely irrelevant they are answers. They should certainly not be delet...

 
@MichaelHampton garbage
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Q: What limits instalable RAM on laptops and PCs?

user14645It seems that DDR sticks come in 8, 16, 32 sizes. If I buy a CompanyX laptop and the sales agent tells me that each slot only allows, 8Gb memory, can I expect that it a real limitation. Can't I install 32gb in each slot? Background: I'm trying to provision laptops for our company. We use VMs ex...

Please kill
 
lol
I was about to flag that
 
You were about to flag that?
 
1:11 AM
there's 32 gb sticks?
 
@JourneymanGeek and alot higher
 
@MichaelHampton: I was nice enough to comment, politely that, in effect, the OP is clueless ;p
@Jacob: on desktops?
 
@JourneymanGeek I just sent him to SU. Enjoy :)
 
@JourneymanGeek yerp
 
@MichaelHampton: nice!
@Jacob: o0
enlighten me!
 
1:13 AM
@JourneymanGeek It's really for high end workstations, but it's doable
 
@Jacob: thats using server ram
 
@JourneymanGeek It's just server memory in a desktop (usually with a Xeon motherboard)
So in other words, a server under your desk.
 
@WesleyDavid: which is not the same sorta ram ;p
 
Am I the only one who checks my desktop motherboard's HCL for memory?
 
quad rank does trade off some raw speed for that dosen't it?
 
1:14 AM
@JourneymanGeek Exact-a-mundo, my Singaporean home boy.
 
the biggest current size for regular PCs is 8gb
 
@MichaelHampton I don't need my desktop to be online 24/7
 
@MichaelHampton: I do. or just ask my vendor to recommend some ;p
with laptops there's another thing tho
they usually assume you arn't going to void your warranty by opening up the entire system to change the 'first' stick of ram, which isn't usually easily user replacable
so their maximum ram on their specifications is their base config + biggest additional stick of ram they can cram on
least IBM era thinkpads used to do that
 
1:33 AM
Oh, so you didn't even look at the machine's specs! There's the problem: never believe anything the sales rep says. — Michael Hampton 9 secs ago
 
2:05 AM
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Q: winfail2ban VPN / RDP?

Brian StinarI would like to ban IP addresses after incorrect (RDP right now, soon to be VPN once I get that going) login attempts on a Windows Server 2008 R2 machine I help administer. This answer specifically talks about ssh, which I'm not running. This answer mentions terminal services and remote deskto...

wat
 
There's a Windows version of fail2ban?!
 
@MichaelHampton: news to me ;p
seems interesting tho
 
2:43 AM
YO DAWG I HERD YOU LIKE CLOUD
 
2:54 AM
@ScottPack :-*
 
@WesleyDavid Mrr?
 
@ScottPack ¯x¯
 
Please don't emoticon cleaning yourself.
 
I'm setting up a file server for a local theater
Is Samba still a nutroll to set up?
 
3:09 AM
@JoelESalas Can't use Windoze?
 
@MichaelHampton Nope, not for this
 
@JoelESalas If it's a simple setup, then it's simple to set up. I never thought of Samba as complex.
 
3:27 AM
So every night I log my workouts for the day and Tweet it through Fitocracy:
I earned 1097 points for my workout on #Fitocracy! Check out my workout and become more awesome with me! http://ftcy.me/TqGQXU
@MikeyB Replies to me:
@Nonapeptide I earned 255 points for my workout on #RedTube!
I lawled.
 
:)
 
@MikeyB Did you turn your webcam on?
 
@ScottPack Awesome. My boss went visiting their DC on Wednesday, wonder if they mentioned that. They pull in (& store) 1 exabyte of data a year, didja know that? Insane.
@WesleyDavid Next time.
 
@MikeyB Scale is funny. I was talking to one of our sysadmins a few weeks ago about log collection and basically gave him a "Bitch, please!" when he was complaining about the size of some system's logs.
There's one device we have that generates between 1 and 8 GB/hour depending on time of day.
 
@ScottPack Your RedTube mirror?
FINGARS!
 
3:37 AM
@WesleyDavid I was going to link you the gif of that guy who "forgot" to turn off his webcam when he jacked off (while smoking his pipe), but googling for variations on "webcam forgot masturbate pipe" just returns too damn many results.
 
@MikeyB "That one guy."
That's one I've never heard of. What was the background story?
I mean, who caught it? Was he Skyping a friend?
 
@WesleyDavid Meh, I dunno, apparently he does frequent webstreams and forgot to turn it off.
 
"La dee da, Skyping with a friend... chat chat chat... Skyp... MUST JACK OFF AND WEEEEEEEEDDD!!!"
 
justin.tv
 
I hope ustream watches their 404s. We're gonna give some ops guy a weird day.
 
3:39 AM
@ScottPack We don't have anything interesting, but our one telecommunications client has systems that generate upwards of 100TB of logs per day which gets distilled down into only a few TB by their hadoop cloud.
 
NSA kills @MikeyB
 
@MikeyB That's definitely more than we do.
 
:9810875 No, that isn't redacted. It never existed in the first place. Nor did your redactions.
Heh heh
redaction -> redtube
 
If your tube is red you should see a doctor.
 
I'm fair positive I don't want to google that.
 
3:43 AM
@WesleyDavid Or get lipstick remover.
 
@MikeyB Mmmmm... lipstick...
 
So... SSDs are nice. If I enable autologin on this desktop, time from hitting 'Enter' at grub prompt and desktop being ready: 1.1s
Hmmm this is interesting. I need my password from Keepass to log into dropbox so I can download my Keepass file.
 
Fuck, I reallly need to be less careless with middle-paste sometimes. From ls:
-rw-r--r--   1 michael michael          0 Dec  7  2012 Where
-rw-r--r--   1 michael michael          0 Dec  7  2012 Research
-rw-r--r--   1 michael michael          0 Dec  7  2012 Did
-rw-r--r--   1 michael michael          0 Dec  7  2012 And
-rw-r--r--   1 michael michael          0 Dec  7  2012 I
-rw-r--r--   1 michael michael          0 Dec  7  2012 Gary
-rw-r--r--   1 michael michael          0 Dec  7  2012 Relay
-rw-r--r--   1 michael michael          0 Dec  7  2012 -----Original
-rw-r--r--   1 michael michael          0 Dec  7  2012 From:
 
@MikeyB I hear EAAnderson has had some pretty fantastic SSD experiences.
 
3:54 AM
oohhh that reminds me I should check on my tests at work. Doing some research on making a SSD-based NAS device compatible with Oracle for NetApp takeout.
doing research == fun times
 
 
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5:05 AM
This system is receiving updates from Red Hat Subscription Management.
Goodbye "RHN Classic"...
 
5:19 AM
So NAT breaks XDMCP. Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
 
@MichaelHampton NAT breaks fucking everything
 
OK, so fucking fine, I need a USB Ethernet adapter then. Where do I get one of those at this time of night?
 
5:47 AM
@MichaelHampton: those things still exist? ;p
 
6:08 AM
WTF, Red Hat?
 
6:26 AM
G'day
 
Morning
 
@MichaelHampton I don't think it's saying we can't deleted them, I think it's saying don't delete them out of habit. I used to downvote, leave a comment then go back a day later and delete them if they hadn't been improved
 
I can never seem to remember to go back a day later.
 
I'd say about 20% came back and did something
@MichaelHampton I used DMZ (as does Chris)
 
6:42 AM
Ahhh, workarounds...
Is it time for a canonical iptables question?
 
@MichaelHampton if it ends up as useful as for example the mod_rewrite one then probably not
 
7:00 AM
Well, I think it would actually have to be two questions...
 
@MichaelHampton One should have an answer that says did you use iptables -A on a live system ? If so change it to iptables -I
 
Heh. Well I'm thinking one question for endpoint firewalls and one for router firewalls. Both will pretty much start with: "Your firewall is a piece of shit, ditch it and start over."
 
@MichaelHampton can you nuke meta.serverfault.com/questions/5547/… please, it no longer needs to exist
 
@Iain Nuke what? I don't see any... :)
 
cheers :)
 
 
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8:57 AM
Why this question downvoted? — cnst May 31 at 21:26
"Cuz it sux!!!"
 
 
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10:44 AM
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Q: What is normal server load avarage?

Mehdi Yeganehi use top command and i see my load avarage is about this: top - 03:30:18 up 10:15, 1 users, load average: 10.61, 8.54, 5.61 Is it normal?

There is the need for a new migration [target](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hogwarts)
 
11:18 AM
This guy is starting to irk me
 
hmm. isn't that question the very definition of a book recommendation question?
 
@tombull89 me too
 
Downvote that crap!
 
I'm trying to work out a polite way to tell the guy to use business standard english, not hinglish
@MichaelHampton: community wiki ;p
 
Locked
See, kids, this just goes to show how worthless the CCNA is.
 
11:31 AM
lol
I hate to say this but, its also the whole exam/status obsessed indian mindset
 
I don't give a flying fuck if you passed an exam. I care that you know what you're talking about.
And I suspect at this point he's dangerously close to the automated ban..
 
11:56 AM
OK... 8 flags handled, 195 rep for the day... I think I'm done.
 
12:10 PM
@JourneymanGeek agreed, although a CCNA course is actually a good start in switching and routing to be fair
 
Assuming that your intention is to learn something, and I fear that for many people it is not.
 
Good morning
The CCNA test recently changed, though.
The thing is, any certification can be dumped. That's the problem, and that's how certs. lose value/credibility.
 
 
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2:00 PM
@Cole not CCIE, VCDX, MCSM, RHCE :)
 
RHCE!
 
They all have a substantial live environment component
 
I wouldn't pass it now... I think it's because I hate Linux.
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One day I'm going to realize that @ewwhite and I are the same person. Like Ed Norton and Brad Pitt in fight club. Every time I'm in chat, he is too.
I'm gonna be pissed when I realize I've just been pay palling that money to myself
 
2:09 PM
three produce upgrades at my largest client
and it was a software upgrade! So I didn't even need to be involved... but once everything caught fire...
"Why is the upgrade running so slow?"
Me: "Because you're running sequential I/O over a 1GbE iSCSI link...."
 
Isn't that just a bit... slow?
 
In normal operation, produce pro doesn't need good sequential I/O
but during an upgrade, it plows through the data files... flat files.. adding columns/fields, etc.
so... ~500GB of data files
1024 bytes at a time.
Meanwhile, once client at work had 6 disk failure last night
four on one machine...
mixture of real and prefailure conditions
 
2:29 PM
What were they, DeathStars?
 
@MichaelHampton Three different types!
146GB SATA...
2TB SATA
 
All at the same time?!
 
and 300GB SAS
staggered throughout the day.
 
That's just... not right.
 
either that, or someone noticed all of the prefailures
So I have a question because I sorta got what I want... but now I have to back it up
This server should be burned...
but I don't have an HP replacement for it
that be the system
but I don't have an HP that can accommodate 24 disks easily
 
2:31 PM
Four disks going on the same day, I'd be suspicious of the PSU.
 
@MichaelHampton One drive had been failed for weeks
 
Is the electrical wiring in that datacenter up to code?
OK, well, three then.
 
@MichaelHampton yes, premier facility... Equinix
 
OK, well then. Nobody at a premier facility would ever make a mistake...
 
hehe
 
2:34 PM
I'm just saying, when a bunch of drives fail all at once, you should be suspicious of the power.
 
well, we're squeezed between Goldman Sachs and a bunch of trading firms' cages. And we're not given the opportunity to eff-up the electrical. Handled by the facility.
 
Or someone whacking the servers with a rubber mallet...
 
well not sure...
but my dilemma is that I don't have a good way to get to 16+ disks in one array on HP anymore
but part of me thinks it makes sense to standardize on two chassis... a 1U DL360p for hypervisors and things that only need up-to 8 disks.
and a 2U DL380p for anything that needs PCIe expansion
but for people who need a bunch of disks, it may make sense to use an external 25-bay JBOD enclosure.
does that seem reasonable?
from a streamlining perspective?
no @MichaelHampton wisdom?
 
I think you've pretty well got it covered already and you certainly don't need my wisdom. Not right now, anyway. :)
 
@ewwhite while I've been away my team bought a few of those DL380p's that let you stuff 25x2.5" disks in the front, they look ok
 
2:49 PM
@Chopper3 That is an option... but my company is used to Supermicro, so I want to give as few options as possible
 
@ewwhite of course
 
I mean, maybe three chassis... DL380p 8-bay, DL380p 25-bay... DL360p 8-bay
the 25-bay isn't widely available at a good price like the others
and the max CPU speed is limited... (HP cooling concerns.)
HP does make an additional 8-bay available to give 16 bays, but has no controller or PCIe expander option to link the two cages.
(this makes me look stupid, given the push I made to adopt HP)
but part of me thinks to just use two base models and add an external D2700/D2600 JBOD since they're purpose-built and can do dual-domain, etc.
seeing as I have a lot of in-chassis cooling problems on the Supermicros...
or maybe that's foolish..
 
 
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3:57 PM
@MichaelHampton I am not sure any death star disk survives to this day. (Speaking as someone who has 6 out of 8 death stars fail within a few months)(
 
4:12 PM
while this question is interesting form the point of view of the internal of package managing, I think it is too broad to be answered:
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Q: What happens to RPM transaction when it is interrupted in the middle?

eclipseLet's imagine that I'm installing with RPM packages A, B and C. They are installed in the same order. And suddenly in the middle of installing B there is a power cut. 1) regarding state after turning on: What happens to this transaction? Will it be resumed? Or maybe RPM will remove all packages ...

what happens if pkg B is the kernel, initramfs, lvm2, dmraid, .... or anything like that. The answer probably would be: it depends. there are too many possible scenarios in case of a power outage. Opinions?
 
 
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6:50 PM
@dawud crappy
 
 
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8:28 PM
what is MTA ???? — user177174 35 secs ago
Hire a fucking sysadmin.
 
> Now after typing setenforce 0 it seems to work and as you said it should be cause by SELinux. but your solution does not seems to work because os cannot understand semanage command!?
@DennisKaarsemaker snap
 
Midget Teasing Application? Right?
 
Then I would encourage you to keep asking off-topic questions. So no. — Dennis Kaarsemaker 1 min ago
So, for dinner the wife made spaghetti with oyster mushrooms, bacon and cream. And a rhubarb crumble for dessert. Thanks to her very generous hand in both, I'm now utterly stuffed. I may need to not eat for a day to recover :)
 
HMm
I had some small leftover 'brie' from the market and baked those.
Some fresh Waldcorn bread, (thick slice). Baked Brie on it. Some slightly baked bell papper. Yum.
 
8:44 PM
@MDMarra Sure you can, the written part at least. I know people who have for CCIE.
 
@Hennes brie, walnut, shredded iceberg (little bit) and honey
On a dark baguette or pistolet
 
@DennisKaarsemaker That sounds delicious
 
@Cole it was. burp
 
@DennisKaarsemaker Lunch tomorrow then
 
I just woke up from a nap.
Now to figured out what to make for dinner.
 
8:49 PM
@Iain hmm, I'm going out for dinner the next 3 days. In order to not get too fat I think I really need to cut back on lunch :)
company-paid dinner that is. So usually far too much food & beer
 
The best kind of dinner, free.
 
two day internet peering & routing workshop by $very_large_internet_company and then all-hands meeting/conference of our 300 people IT dept.
 
@DennisKaarsemaker will the latter be at all useful ?
 
it tends to be good for bonding and learning what other teams are up to.
it's explicitly not supposed to be productive :)
 
That's OK then
 
 
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10:17 PM
nobody on?
So lonely :(
 
morning @ewwhite
 
'allo
 
@ewwhite I'm sorta here
Monitoring like the NSA
Silently
 
So sad.
 
I've had this stomach bug the past two days... I've never been in so much gastrointestinal distress'
 
10:19 PM
Ugh stomach bugs are the worst.
 
lol
I'm up faaar to early
and the frogs are singing
 
your first day in jail will feel like that, yes.
 
I feel fine, except for the occasional wrenching gut pains and the two tablespoons of molasses that dribbles from my weary asshole every hour like clockwork.
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@RyanRies that's not normal?
 
@RyanRies I was just taking a bite of my sandwich when I read that.
 
10:21 PM
I trace it back to a toxic Egg McMuffin I ate yesterday morning
 
you shouldn't deliberately poison yourself
 
Sorry Cole
 
Eating McDonalds is only appropriate when you're hating yourself.
 
a reasonable person would not have eaten at such a place, assuming everything is sauteed in bat guano or likewise prepared
 
10:22 PM
@RyanRies it more made me laugh then grossed out.
 
I'm very likely to have a fresh bread sandwitch. and I mean fresh
 
So I lettuced my keyboard
 
@Cole True, my girlfriend is the most amazing cook I've ever known, but she's been on a cooking hiatus the past few weeks, and unfortunately I'm a shit cook myself
 
sadly, I'm out out sun dried tomatos and olives :/
@RyanRies: cooking isn't hard. Anything is edible with enough good chilly sauce or ketchup ;p
 
it is just as well; tomatoes come from the devil.
 
10:23 PM
!!!
sun dried tomatos are awesome
 
* refrigerates some sriracha and hands it to Geek *
 
@JourneymanGeek yes they are
 
funny thing? Never hard sriratcha
 
yes, but it is chilly sauce now.
fail.
 
We usually have like 2-3 different types of tabasco, jarred chilli sauce (which is oh ma god awesome), and lingam's sweet chilly sauce (ditto)
 
10:25 PM
mm chili sauce
 
Anything that sets my anus ablaze I tend to enjoy.
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(if your chilli sauce needs to be shaken before use cause it seperates, its the good stuff)
@Cole: lingam's isn't hot at all
 
I love spicy food
 
10:25 PM
its sweet, and you can taste the chillies
 
@JourneymanGeek mmmm
 
Sriracha is the shit
 
s/ the//
actually, it's pretty good, but I felt obliged to do that
 
Man, I used to love the Call of Duty series. I will definitely not be getting Ghosts/Xbone
 
10:28 PM
I'll miss out on the newest Halo too, but no way I'm putting an Xbox One in my house
 
I've never owned a console
 
@JourneymanGeek honestly, I basically only play Halo on it
I mean, I have other games but Halo is my main game.
 
I never cared for the CoDs... I'm 100% PC gaming -- haven't owned a console since the SNES. I can already feel developers starting to release games only for consoles these days and either not doing PC releases at all, or if we're lucky, we get a shitty console port. :(
 
@RyanRies I liked 1 & 2 on the PC. I used to play competitively
 
@RyanRies: and worse yet, designing UIs for consoles first
 
10:29 PM
Mostly the same here
 
I probably will not be buying a next gen console.
Just buy a super sweet graphics card :P
 
and engines that don't use graphics cards to the fullest
 
I had a philips 7000 and now a wii for the weighing myself
 
lol
 
10:30 PM
Probably spend the same on a graphics card as a next gen console. $400-$500
Totally be worth it
 
honestly, at the moment, I'd rather blow the money on parts I need, more tools and sound gear ;p
 
So after putting Win8 on my laptop - I think my desktop is next
 
nooooh. DO not do it. Win7 was good which means the next version must be bad!
 
10:33 PM
Win 8 is solid imo
If you don't like the "metro" UI don't use it... it doesn't get in the way
 
But it must be bad
win95 bad. win98 good. Win ME..well, lets not even talk about it.
win2000 good, win XP somewhat bad (like 2000 but with a toy interface), ...
Granted. XP could be set up properly
 
@Hennes: 8 is 7 improved with a toy interface
and you could actually install a shell replacement on xp
 
But the first time I saw it, with the colourful Nintendo login screen I assumed it was for ages 10 and under
 
I mean regardless of GUI... there have been improvements in thread scheduling, memory management, etc. in Win8
 
10:36 PM
(funny thing, I've been meaning to install classic shell. I'm getting used to the win-8 ways of doing things tho)
 
They also made LFH corruption exploits a lot harder to pull off
 
I might try win8 again (in a VM) once SP1 is out
 
/me headesks
I just realised there's a dead simple solution to a problem I have been trying to solve all week ;p
 
I guess the main reason Win8 was not that jarring to me was that I didn't fiddle around much in the start menu anyway. I just hit the Win key, type the first two or three letters of the app I want to run, hit enter... and in that respect, 8 has not changed at all since 7.
 
10:39 PM
I am used to [start] [run] Fullname of the binary
 
and pinned apps, and using steam as a launcher
@Hennes: o0
 
e.g. swriter.exe, scalc,calcexe, ...
It took me somt ime to figure out how to use pinned apps.
Right click on them, select program and the program starts
Just leftclicking on them will not work unless you only want to start the app once
And I often want to start something multiple times. E.g. mspaint.
 
Though I do welcome the ability to use the same wallpaper for the start screen as is on your desktop background... will make flipping back and forth look a lot smoother
 
Trying to explain to my girlfriend what the mach_kernel file is on her Mac.
and why she is not to delete it
 
@Cole heheh
I wonder what happens if you do try to remove it...
 
10:46 PM
@freiheit It'll let you
then everything breaks
 
On reboot, or immediately?
 
She understood what a kernel was when I just explained it. I mean, I didn't go into super detail but she was like OH ok.
@Hennes I think on reboot IIRC
 
I know nothing about Macs, but shouldn't the file be locked, preventing any attempt at deletion?
And if it's not, then shouldn't it be?
 
@RyanRies in update 10.5.4 I believe, it became visible
 
Why would it?
 
10:47 PM
she's on 10.6.8
 
I could boot Linux, install a new kernel and delete the old one before I rebooted
Why would the mac not allow the same thing?
 
Sorry, I typed "I know about Macs" should have been "I know nothing about Macs" :)
 
Something is wrong though, looks like that file is 200GB
Did a df -h and its showing 20828964
 
20, 828,964 (edit, fixed)
 
so ~19GB
 
10:51 PM
Still too frakking huge though. :(
 
@Hennes right?
 
Aye.
I am expecting something in the order of 5MB.
 
It's working for now, I'll check it out in person on Thursday - was looking at it remotely
 
19GB is just weird
 
Very odd
oh well
Not my Mac not my probably is what I always say.
Girlfriend snapped this pic today, because multiple trips are for wussies:
 
10:57 PM
lol
@Cole: don't you guys have shopping trollys? ;p
 
She was like "really Cole, really?"
 
also, sign behind you is missing a letter, or has bad kerning ;p
 
Nope, fell off lol
It's an old mill building converted into offices
 
11:40 PM
Interesting. Monster.com apparently runs on Gentoo/Arch.
 
@Adrian interesting
 
@Adrian Gentoo FTW. I use it in prod too.
 
I feel like I'm losing all my Linux knowledge that I gained at NetApp and it's being replaced by Windows.
 
lol
@Cole: never really leaves you
 
It'll come back I'm sure.
Just takes me a bit to recall it
Same thing happened with all my AD knowledge
@Adrian I'm looking at Seattle as an option again.
 

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