Root Access

Journeyman Geek

11:00 AM

@Boris_yo: cheaper ;p

yup

Boris_yo

@JourneymanGeek Cheaper because better nano technology is used?

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo With "onboard" video, not integrated into CPU , the boards almost always had a disable for it, that is why i am asking.

Journeyman Geek

@Boris_yo: economies of scale , simpler timing, less complicated motherboards by default.

so cheaper.

@Psycogeek: pre SB/IB that is to say, with older boards, "integrated" graphics sat on the same PCIe bus that your video card sat on

So using both wasn't possible

Like my old dell ;p

Bob

@Boris_yo I believe they default to the external one where available - and you can manually assign the integrated one in the settings. In the event of loss of the IGP, you can simply reset the BIOS memory.

That's one reason the CMOS uses volatile memory.

@JourneymanGeek also faster :P

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek Disable switch?

Bob

11:06 AM

well, better cooling is one (though it steals some space form the CPU die and heat capacity)

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: I think cheaper is a big factor

Boris_yo

@JourneymanGeek On the other hand it makes processors more complicated then.

Journeyman Geek

@Boris_yo: processor production is a suprisingly simple process

Bob

@JourneymanGeek mpt rea;;y

....I think I'm having a stroke

anyway, not really

Journeyman Geek

lol

you basically get chunks of silicon, screen on a resist, expose it to some chemicals, etc etc

Bob

11:08 AM

a cheap GPU on a card can be under $10 retail

remember that, at least as of SDB, the chipset/board still had to have some support stuff for integrated video

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: You're making one chip, instead of 2 ;p

and eventually they'll end up going SOC

Bob

@JourneymanGeek remember that that is one complicated chip with extremely high tolerances

it's an expensive chip to produce

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: which is why it wasn't done before

Bob

you are horribly oversimplifying CPU production

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo switch in the bios , to disable the onboard. Along with many other things they would allow full disable in the bios, like serial parellel and onboard audio

Journeyman Geek

11:09 AM

we're reaching the point where yields for these complicated chips are worth it

kinda like the pentium pro and the pentium II

the PII had level 3 cache cause yields on the p-pro with loads of cache were too low

also, I'm explaining this to @Boris_yo, and I'm not Hannibal Stokes ;p

Bob

there's guesses that Intel's CPU yield is only 60%

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: they've been seriously agressive on process size

Bob

hm?

Boris_yo

@JourneymanGeek Who's this? Hannibal Lector's brother?

Journeyman Geek

well, basically going down in size every 2 years?

Bob

11:12 AM

@JourneymanGeek wait what?

Journeyman Geek

@Boris_yo: guy who used to write for ars technica

Bob

!!info

John Cavil

@Bob I awoke on Sun, 08 Sep 2013 04:00:30 GMT (that's about 3 days ago), got invoked 7 times, learned 21 commands, teleported 66 goats

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: the tick tock cadence? One year they drop process size, the next, a new microarchitecture?

Bob

halt

John Cavil

11:13 AM

HAMMERZEIT!

Bob

wait what the goats

ok, @JohnCavil is still alive

Journeyman Geek

@Bob: they're planning on 14nm.

No one else is even at 20nm I think

Bob

!!removenudge 234

John Cavil

@Bob Nudge #1 registered.

Bob

o.O

!!removenudge 234

John Cavil

11:14 AM

@Bob Nudge #2 registered.

Bob

..

!!help removenudge

John Cavil

@Bob Command removenudge does not exist.

Bob

ok, I am seriously confused

!!help nudge

John Cavil

@Bob nudge: Register a nudge after an interval. /nudge intervalInMinutes message, /nudge remove id to remove, or the listener, nudge|remind|poke me? in? intervalInMinutes message

Bob

!!nudge remove 234

Journeyman Geek

11:15 AM

bug?

John Cavil

@Bob I looked for nudge #234, but all I found was this goat.

Journeyman Geek

lol

Bob

yay

Psycogeek

Memory Scambler Enabled by default. No wonder why i cant remember all these settings

Bob

!!nudge remove 1

John Cavil

11:15 AM

@Bob Nudge annhiliated

Bob

!!nudge remove 2

!!nudge remove 1

Journeyman Geek

@Psycogeek: I don't remember what my bios looks like unless something goes wrong ;p

John Cavil

@Bob Nudge not found. Maybe it was already triggered, or this is a parallal universe.

Bob

!!nudge remove 2

parallal? lol

!!nudge remove

John Cavil

@Bob I looked for nudge #NaN, but all I found was this goat.

Bob

11:16 AM

!!nudge remove 2

John Cavil

@Bob Nudge not found. Maybe it was already triggered, or this is a parallal universe.

Journeyman Geek

o0

Bob

NaN? fail!

still one of my favourites: destroyallsoftware.com/talks/wat

Journeyman Geek

not loading for me

Bob

@JourneymanGeek browser?

Journeyman Geek

11:18 AM

ff

the page loads, the video dosen't

Bob

yea, try chrome

they broke it for ff a while ago

Tom Wijsman

!!stat

John Cavil

@TomWijsman That didn't make much sense. Maybe you meant: stat

@TomWijsman No site found for name stackexchange

Tom Wijsman

@JohnCavil Wat.

!!/learn /nudge nudge

John Cavil

@TomWijsman Command nudge already exists

@TomWijsman Command /nudge learned

Tom Wijsman

11:22 AM

!!//nudge

John Cavil

@TomWijsman Many things can be labeled Not a Number; a delay should not be one of them.

@TomWijsman nudge

Tom Wijsman

\o/

Bob

o.O

Tom Wijsman

Seems we can create commands you can only start with !!// :D

Bob

@TomWijsman that's cause you can't override existing commands

Journeyman Geek

11:23 AM

o0

Bob

you're essentially defining a new command, "/nudge"

Tom Wijsman

@Bob Worth trying.

Bob

and "/commandname" executes the command "commandname"

Tom Wijsman

Yes, that's why I said you can create !!//.

Bob

so "//nudge" executes "/nudge"

apparently "/" is a valid part of a command name :\

!!listcommands

John Cavil

11:24 AM

@Bob help, listen, eval, coffee, live, die, refresh, forget, ban, unban, info, jquery, choose, user, listcommands, norris, urban, parse, tell, mdn, awsm, color, convert, define, findcommand, fuckable, get, github, google, hang, inhistory, learn, dead, o_o, stopgowtham, @_@, no, taytaytay, stackoverflow, sayto, hello, foo, godmode, iddqd, poke, lash, job, pins, mjp, thelook, meta, say, howtolearn, mustache, nudge, spec, stat, timer, todo, undo, weather, welcome, wiki, xkcd (page 0/1)

Bob

!!eval 1+1

John Cavil

@Bob [object ErrorEvent]

Tom Wijsman

!!/learn / "The magical slash executes a command; eg. /taytaytay executes taytaytay."

Bob

oh yea, that's still broken

Gowtham

!! o_o

John Cavil

11:25 AM

@Gowtham (⊙.⊙(☉_☉)⊙.⊙) ☜(ˆ▽ˆ)

@TomWijsman Command / learned

Tom Wijsman

!!//

John Cavil

@TomWijsman The

Bob

lol, forgot your quotes?

John Cavil

@TomWijsman Command / learned

@TomWijsman The magical slash executes a command; eg. /taytaytay executes taytaytay.

@Gowtham The magical slash executes a command; eg. /taytaytay executes taytaytay.

Bob

fail.

John Cavil

11:26 AM

@Gowtham Command // does not exist. Did you mean: /

LOL.

screw it

!!tell Gowtham /

!!tell / /

@Gowtham The magical slash executes a command; eg. /taytaytay executes taytaytay.

Bob

11:26 AM

lrn2tell

John Cavil

@/ The magical slash executes a command; eg. /taytaytay executes taytaytay.

Bob

:P

Journeyman Geek

/taytaytay

;p

LIES!

Bob

!!tell 11172525 taytaytay

Gowtham

!!/ nudge /

John Cavil

11:26 AM

@/ The magical slash executes a command; eg. /taytaytay executes taytaytay.

@Bob i.imgur.com/SYvAqgs.gif

Bob

yup, that works

Journeyman Geek

yanno, I think we broke @JohnCavil

Tom Wijsman

Let's get to the next level.

John Cavil

Tom Wijsman

!!/learn ! "You have just typed three exclamation points, good job."

John Cavil

11:27 AM

@TomWijsman Command ! learned

Bob

oh, it was that one

John Cavil

@Gowtham Many things can be labeled Not a Number; a delay should not be one of them.

Tom Wijsman

!!!

John Cavil

@TomWijsman You

Bob

@TomWijsman I think we can stop breaking it now :P

Psycogeek

11:27 AM

Bios says "Save changes and Reset" Uhh which one :-) how about save changes and reboot.

John Cavil

@TomWijsman Command ! learned

Gowtham

!! tell g !

Bob

fail

John Cavil

@TomWijsman You just typed three exclamation points, good job.

Bob

aww

John Cavil

11:28 AM

@TomWijsman Command ! learned

Bob

hm. that's interesting

Tom Wijsman

Okay, done.

John Cavil

@Gowtham Invalid /tell arguments. Use /help for usage info

@Gowtham Command !tell does not exist. Did you mean: tell

Bob

lol

John Cavil

@g You have just typed three exclamation points, good job.

Bob

11:29 AM

@Gowtham just can't catch a break

Journeyman Geek

;p

Gowtham

!! /learn !! "!! o_o"

John Cavil

@Gowtham Command ! learned

Journeyman Geek

!!!

John Cavil

@JourneymanGeek !! o_o

Journeyman Geek

11:30 AM

;p

Gowtham

@Bob :P

Tom Wijsman

@Gowtham :O

John Cavil

@Gowtham Command !! learned

Gowtham

!!

John Cavil

@Gowtham That didn't make much sense. Maybe you meant: /, !

Tom Wijsman

11:31 AM

!!/learn drink "Here, have a nice refreshing drink."

John Cavil

@TomWijsman Command drink learned

Gowtham

!! /!!

John Cavil

@Gowtham !! o_o

Boris_yo

Does anyone here buy gold? You better start to: kingworldnews.com/kingworldnews/KWN_DailyWeb/Entries/2013/4/…

Gowtham

!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

John Cavil

11:32 AM

@Gowtham That didn't make much sense. Use the help command to learn more.

@TomWijsman Command drink learned

Tom Wijsman

!!/learn _!! "Awesome smiley you've got there!"

!!,!!

John Cavil

@TomWijsman That didn't make much sense. Use the help command to learn more.

@TomWijsman That didn't make much sense. Maybe you meant: !!

@TomWijsman Command ,!! learned

@TomWijsman Nice smiley you've got there!

Gowtham

!! tell !!!! ,!!

John Cavil

@Gowtham !! o_o

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo I buy food, and store lots of water. If your dying of starvation, gold isnt likely to help

John Cavil

11:34 AM

@TomWijsman Command _!! learned

Tom Wijsman

!!_!!

John Cavil

@Gowtham Command !!,!! does not exist. Did you mean: ,!!

@TomWijsman Awesome smiley you've got there!

@!!!! Nice smiley you've got there!

Bob

!!listcommands

John Cavil

@Bob help, listen, eval, coffee, live, die, refresh, forget, ban, unban, info, jquery, choose, user, listcommands, norris, urban, parse, tell, mdn, awsm, color, convert, define, findcommand, fuckable, get, github, google, hang, inhistory, learn, dead, o_o, stopgowtham, @_@, no, taytaytay, stackoverflow, sayto, hello, foo, godmode, iddqd, poke, lash, job, pins, mjp, thelook, meta, say, howtolearn, mustache, nudge, spec, stat, timer, todo, undo, weather, welcome, wiki, xkcd (page 0/1)

Bob

highly tempted to !!forget all of them :P

Gowtham

11:34 AM

!! tell !!!! ,!!

!!howtolearn

Page 0/1 :O

!!thelook

@!!!! Nice smiley you've got there!

@Bob Learning? Fuck no! Following a tutorial and correcting 7 errors with Google searches? Fuck yea!

Bob

o.o

Gowtham

11:35 AM

!! info howtolearn

Bob

also, I think @JohnCavil is tripping the flood filter

Psycogeek

!!lash

John Cavil

@Bob ಠ_ಠ

@Gowtham Command howtolearn, created by Canadian Luke on Fri, 06 Sep 2013 04:20:00 GMT, invoked 1 times

Bob

lol

John Cavil

@Psycogeek 50 lashes with a wet noodle!

Gowtham

11:35 AM

!!mjp

!!poke

John Cavil

@Gowtham imgur.com/tCp90.gif

Tom Wijsman

!!listcommands 1

John Cavil

@Gowtham I'm awake, I'm awake, stop poking me!

@TomWijsman help, listen, eval, coffee, live, die, refresh, forget, ban, unban, info, jquery, choose, user, listcommands, norris, urban, parse, tell, mdn, awsm, color, convert, define, findcommand, fuckable, get, github, google, hang, inhistory, learn, dead, o_o, stopgowtham, @_@, no, taytaytay, stackoverflow, sayto, hello, foo, godmode, iddqd, poke, lash, job, pins, mjp, thelook, meta, say, howtolearn, mustache, nudge, spec, stat, timer, todo, undo, weather, welcome, wiki, xkcd (page 0/1)

@TomWijsman youtube, /nudge, /, !, !!, drink, ,!!, _!! (page 1/1)

Tom Wijsman

Ah, there they are.

Gowtham

!! jquery g

John Cavil

11:36 AM

@Gowtham api.jquery.com/?s=g

Tom Wijsman

!!stopgowtham

Gowtham

!!godmode

!! spec

!! stat

John Cavil

@Gowtham No site found for name stackexchange

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek What happens when food and water deplete? You left with nothing but owning gold when economy is destroyed can change the scenario for you.

Gowtham

!! kill the bot and @TomWijsman

!! meta

!! job

!! weather

John Cavil

11:37 AM

@Gowtham See /help weather for usage info

@Gowtham Will Work For Fool.

@Gowtham That didn't make much sense. Use the help command to learn more.

Server error (status 500) occured (message probably too long)

Gowtham

yay ;p

Tom Wijsman

!!eval var chars = 'abcdefghklmnpqrstuvwxyz23456789';document.write(_.times(length || 8, function() {return chars[Math.floor(Math.random() * chars.length)];}).join(''));

John Cavil

@Gowtham Canadian Luke will not grant God Mode without the proper cheat codes

@TomWijsman just

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo No it wont its a frilling rock, ever look into places like fort Knox ? See anything precious there?

John Cavil

@TomWijsman [object ErrorEvent]

@Gowtham Please don't ask to ask; just ask!

Psycogeek

11:38 AM

@Boris_yo No because there is 50 tons of the junk

Gowtham

wait there's a command called stopgowtham @_@

Tom Wijsman

!!eval (function(n){return eval("["+Array(n).join("String.fromCharCode(65+~~(Math.random()*61)),")+",'']").‌join("");}(100));

Psycogeek

Now lock yourself in the vault at fort Knox for 30 days, whats the first thing you want most

John Cavil

@TomWijsman [object ErrorEvent]

Journeyman Geek

@Psycogeek: the key to get out ;p

Tom Wijsman

11:40 AM

Eval was JS right?

Bob

@TomWijsman eval isn't working

cause the JS engine it's running on is far to old

Gowtham

@TomWijsman Any JS thingy doesn't work

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek That will be owned by rulers and new currency be imposed on you that would make slave out of you.

Tom Wijsman

Clearly, no 100 characters long password for me. :(

!!eval Math.random().toString(36).substr(2)

Hennes

99 char password should be enough for everybody

John Cavil

11:41 AM

@TomWijsman [object ErrorEvent]

Tom Wijsman

Seriously, how old is this then? :D

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo Ohh contrar, I have all the food and water, all they have is a rock. So now i am going to get all thier rocks, and they can have a snack.

Gowtham

!! eval 5+3

John Cavil

@Gowtham [object ErrorEvent]

Hennes

!!evil sqrt(-1);

Bob

11:41 AM

@TomWijsman it's running on PhantomJS? @somequixotic has the details

John Cavil

@Hennes That didn't make much sense. Maybe you meant: eval

Bob

you can stop trying, it will not work

Hennes

I mean evil eval

Journeyman Geek

Phantom?

Bob

@JourneymanGeek you didn't see anything

Journeyman Geek

11:42 AM

I obviously did not.

Tom Wijsman

@Bob That makes no sense, is it perhaps Node.js?

Hennes

Whut? There are not suggested edits. (But there are 553 close votes in the queue)

Journeyman Geek

@TomWijsman: no, phantomjs

Bob

@TomWijsman phantomjs.org

Journeyman Geek

he was bitching about how crappy it was ;p

Bob

11:43 AM

headless JS engine

@JourneymanGeek s/crappy/outdated/

Boris_yo

@Psycogeek Yeah you bought out food and water from every store, depleted all and locked it out in your underground vault. Now just to pay for keeping them fresh...

Tom Wijsman

!!eval console.log('Loading a web page');

John Cavil

@TomWijsman [object ErrorEvent]

Tom Wijsman

Doesn't look like it to me.

Bob

@TomWijsman doesn't look like what?

Psycogeek

11:44 AM

@Boris_yo Not all of it, the rest of it is tainted with war, unusable

Tom Wijsman

It doesn't even parse old / simple JS examples; so, definitely just broken, not just old.

Gowtham

@Bob headless :O

Journeyman Geek

yeah

Bob

@TomWijsman it's old enough that something along the execution path is broken

not the eval itself

it's a fairly complicated bot

and has a lot of dependencies on HTML5/whateverthenewECMAscriptwas stuff

Psycogeek

@Boris_yo and thier rocks are radioactive, so all the glitters and glows some , doesnt feed you. The greedy will die clinging to thier radioactive gold

Tom Wijsman

11:47 AM

@Bob: You mean the bot uses PhantomJS to interact with the chat. Ah, that's a possibility.

Bob

@TomWijsman PhantomJS is used to run the bot (written in JS) and interact with the chat JS

Tom Wijsman

Hmm, an empty eval should be valid.

!!eval

John Cavil

@TomWijsman [object ErrorEvent]

Bob

@TomWijsman github.com/Zirak/SO-ChatBot/blob/master/source/eval.js

have fun

actually, I haven't looked at it yet either

> //execute arbitrary js code in a relatively safe environment

so yea, not a plain eval

Tom Wijsman

!!eval c console.log "ALRIGHT"

John Cavil

11:54 AM

@TomWijsman [object ErrorEvent]

Tom Wijsman

@Bob: Line 6 is probably broken.

If I convert that back it ends in a way that the syntax is invalid; so, I think he didn't convert his whole script but forgot the last line or so.

Bob

@TomWijsman ya, I think @somequixotic figured that at some point

Tom Wijsman

No eval fun for today... :(

!!stat 250 extended

John Cavil

@TomWijsman User Elusio proved elusive.

Bob

o.O

	/*
	these properties allow FF to function. without them, a fuckfest of
	inexplicable errors enuses. took me about 4 hours to track these fuckers
	down.
	fuck hell it isn't future-proof, but the errors thrown are uncatchable
	and untracable. so a heads-up. enjoy, future-me!
	*/
	'DOMException' : 1,
	'Event'        : 1,
	'MessageEvent' : 1

lol

that deserves to go on one of those 'best comment' threads

Tom Wijsman

12:02 PM

!!spec NaN

John Cavil

@TomWijsman x15.1.1.1 not found in spec

Bob

!!help spec

John Cavil

@Bob spec: Find a section in the ES5 spec

@TomWijsman 4.3.23 NaN, 15.1.1.1 NaN, 15.1.2.4 isNaN (number), 15.7.3.4 Number.NaN

Tom Wijsman

is done playing and hands back over to @Gowtham.

Kwaio

should youtube make my computer lag ? that's a lenovo T530 with an i5 Oo

i can hardly use the mouse when playing

flote

12:14 PM

@Kwaio driver issue?

Kwaio

maybe, i'm not administrator, but it seems i have intel drivers installed

Well there could be a more recent one, but i have Intel driver, a 2012 version, that should be enough. Nah i think Two full-HD monitors is toomuch...

flote

one of our consultants came into the office the other day and invited me to a little office game. (he's a psychologist researching play at work) we hid an annoyatron thinkgeek.com/product/8c52 in one of the offices. But I guess all of my colleagues are too old or something, because no one has said anything. it might be too high pitched, so instead of them going crazy it's me since I hear it, look around the room for reactions and get none. highly frustrating.. .

Kwaio

In what is this game supposed to do any good ?

flote

it's just supposed to annoy people

Kwaio

Oh, so this has nothing to do with "play at work" researchs

flote

12:30 PM

not more than he thinks it's really funny

somequixotic

1:02 PM

@Bob wtf lol you broke Cavil

Kwaio

@somequixotic Did he ?

somequixotic

@TomWijsman PhantomJS's webkit is very old

Tom Wijsman

@somequixotic Only a year. gitorious.org/webkit/qtwebkit/commit/…

Referenced to from github.com/ariya/phantomjs/blob/master/src/qt/src/3rdparty/…

!!_!!

John Cavil

@TomWijsman Awesome smiley you've got there!

somequixotic

@TomWijsman still, the JS engine in WebKit is way behind v8

Tom Wijsman

1:10 PM

Oh, like that, yeah.

somequixotic

the PhantomJS author said he eventually wants to use Chromium as the basis for PhantomJS, which'll pull in v8 automatically, but it's going to be a PITA to make it headless

Tom Wijsman

@somequixotic: Yeah, that doesn't make much sense. :/

somequixotic

also, a QtWebKit from a year ago isn't necessarily a WebKit from a year ago

Tom Wijsman

True, but don't they follow it up quite well? I believe they release often enough to not fall behind.

Now I wonder if QtWebKit has some pointer to which WebKit commit they use. (WebKitCeption)

somequixotic

gitorious.org/webkit/qtwebkit/source/…

QtWebKit doesn't stay in sync with WebKit master as far as the core WebKit and JSCore is concerned

and it's even worse if you're pulling QtWebKit from Qt releases rather than QtWebKit git, which it appears that PhantomJS does

Hennes

1:17 PM

Could we finally have a question for migrating to electrical engineering rather than the other way around ?

somequixotic

Qt 5.0 and 5.1 have updated QtWebKit a lot, to a much newer version, so I'm not sure if phantomjs wants to just port their code to Qt 5.1 before worrying about Chromium

based on reading issue reports, the PhantomJS maintainer seemed to think that Qt 5.x might be an okay intermediary step for PhantomJS 2.0, but PhantomJS "3.0" (further down the roadmap) would be Chromium/Blink/v8 based instead of QtWebKit/WebKit/JSCore based

they might still use Qt as a general purpose programming library for stuff though

Hennes

1:33 PM

OK, scratch that. OT for EE