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3:40 AM
@PauloCereda I once needed three or four attempt for uploading a version of xassoccnt, but I can't remember what I did wrong then. Most likely CTAN was to blame, not me ;-)
 
 
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7:27 AM
@UlrikeFischer “As a german I'm rather used to commas (and other germans too) […]”. No wonder germans are used to other germans, living among them all the time. It's harder for the rest of us. (But we do manage.)
 
From the ConTeXt list:
> I am surprised that \loggingall before \starttext produces 2.3GByte of log.
 
@ChristianHupfer I have occassionally used $(P(1{,}2, 1{,}5)$. But if I need this a lot in a document, I prefer to write it with decimal points and change the mathcode of the period to make it a comma as an ordinary symbol. Then I have to create a command \mathperiod for those few times I really need a period, or use \text{.} instead.
Um, didn't read through the rest of the thread. Sorry for the repetition.
 
7:58 AM
@HaraldHanche-Olsen Better using \num from siunitx then: it ensures uniformity even if you happen to type in some number with a comma.
 
@egreg Ah, the siunitx package … I have been rolling my own, since stuff like \si{\kilogram\metre\per\second} rubs me the wrong way (too verbose). But actually looking at the documentation, I realize that I don't have to use it that way! Which means that reading documentation does not always lead to disaster.
 
8:45 AM
@HaraldHanche-Olsen \si{kg.m.s^{-1}} perhaps?
@HaraldHanche-Olsen Or \si{\kg\m\per\s} (I tend toward the 'abbreviated' unit macros myself)
 
@JosephWright Either one is fine with me. The dumb thing is, I had been reading messages about how wonderful siunitx is, always giving the verbose method as example. And so I thought, why bother? So I ended up writing stuff like `$9.8\,\mathrm{m\,s^{-2}}$ instead. I should have taken a closer look, that is all.
(But in my defence, being a mathematician and not a physicist, I don't need SI units all that often.)
 
@HaraldHanche-Olsen The more verbose input has clear semantic meaning, which is the advantage from a 'programming' POV, though as you observe is not to everyone's taste
 
@JosephWright Indeed. Though to me, \si{kg.m.s^{-1}} is plenty semantic enough. No accounting for taste, though.
 
9:27 AM
@ChristianHupfer @DavidCarlisle: It was rejected again, but at least now the CTAN blokes are happy to see me trying pretty hard. :)
 
9:43 AM
@DavidCarlisle: another attempt, let's see if I can fail six times in CTAN. :)
 
9:55 AM
@PauloCereda Most likely CTAN does not like content that is generated with VIM ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer Or arara in particular!
 
:40459505 I've uploaded a package that replaces any occurence of "Ni" with "Duck" ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer ooh
I like this package already
 
@PauloCereda It's vaporware, actually ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer oh
 
10:17 AM
@JosephWright \l_cs:! That's going beyond limits. ;-)
 
@egreg There was a question about the scope of cs declarations (team list from Frank?)
 
@JosephWright ooh Frank
 
@egreg Experience suggests it is not that common to need to worry about this
 
@JosephWright Well, there's \cs_set:Nn and family. I really don't understand why somebody wants to confuse functions with variables, their distinction being one of the strong points in expl3
 
@egreg I think he wants 'named' parameters, so wants to store each one in a 'known' location ...
 
10:20 AM
@JosephWright I see nothing in the example.
 
@JosephWright they should try using beamer
 
@DavidCarlisle :)
 
@DavidCarlisle ooh you are mean
 
Jun 29 at 16:15, by Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle you are not mean :)
 
@DavidCarlisle oh
 
10:22 AM
@egreg I think the idea is for example \cs_set_eq:NN \__module_funct_arg:w #3 then to use \__module_funct_arg:w rather than #3 (so presumably to avoid having to pass parameters between functions, at the cost of relying on the scope of the defined name)
 
@JosephWright That's possible; I give up
 
@egreg See my edited answer :)
 
@egreg " Do you have examples of languages where functions are declared before their action being defined?" several languages to be honest, any functional language treats functions as values (in a suitable type) and can be declared and stored in variables just as scalar values can
 
@DavidCarlisle first class types
 
@PauloCereda they get free wine
 
10:32 AM
@DavidCarlisle ooh :)
 
@DavidCarlisle So Lua then would be a good example :)
 
@JosephWright yes. :)
 
10:45 AM
LaTeX
 
@Mu30 Indeed
 
@JosephWright quite
 
Anonymous
11:14 AM
5 MWEs and some days later, and I still don't really understand how to make a Command both use/output its own arguments as well as one argument from an encompassing Environment ... tex.stackexchange.com/questions/395241/…
 
@VincentMiaEdieVerheyen I've not followed closely, but there seemed to be some confusion over doubling # tokens
 
11:47 AM
@DavidCarlisle Well, expl3 doesn't
 
@egreg no but you can model that mindset in tex if you want \def\foo_l{} ... \def\foo_l{\section} (or \let\foo_l\section ) could be a variable holding a function if you want to view it that way (not saying you should, but you could)
 
@DavidCarlisle l3keys goes somewhat that way as we can have a key setting a function
 
@DavidCarlisle That's quite different from the issue in the question we're dealing with.
 
@DavidCarlisle Do then tend to require declaration for variables? We have technical reasons to do so, which makes a difference (cf. say Lua)
@egreg, @DavidCarlisle You'll see I've moved a lot of comments to chat :)
 
12:02 PM
HOLY COW CTAN ACCEPTED MY UPLOAD
@DavidCarlisle ^^
 
@egreg not if you wear the right coloured spectacles
@JosephWright probably not tex is still tex in the end
 
@DavidCarlisle You writing L3 code? Something fishy is going on...
 
12:20 PM
@PauloCereda no just defining \foo with a null delimited argument _l
 
@DavidCarlisle oh
 
@PauloCereda surely you didn't think _ was a letter? that would be silly.
 
@DavidCarlisle :D
 
12:47 PM
@JosephWright What do you think is the best solution here. Changing combine or expl3? tex.stackexchange.com/questions/395454/…
 
Interesting mixture of programming layers tex.stackexchange.com/questions/395458/…
 
@DavidCarlisle One could allow for not declaring variables if you always have to use an accessor: it could 'fill in' on-the-fly for missing values. Performance would be dire though ...
@UlrikeFischer I guess I'll need to think about it: will try to solve today
 
1:05 PM
@JosephWright OK. Will you leave a comment at the question or should I do it?
 
@UlrikeFischer Done
 
Learn about the 3 broad categories of errors that may occur in the context of a #chatbot http://bit.ly/2wJrxuT
For some reason, this resembles someone...
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@DavidCarlisle ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Happy Ada Lovelace day!
 
 
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2:35 PM
New top bar!
No more annoying brown squares
 
@egreg But annoying new positions ;)
 
@TeXnician Gesture memory kicks in!
 
3:17 PM
@egreg Well, at least they did not change the keyboard shortcuts.
 
 
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4:28 PM
@DavidCarlisle WOW!
 
@JosephWright spaces?
 
@DavidCarlisle Yup
@DavidCarlisle Meanwhile, I've been navigating xcolor and the PostScript ref. to understand colour space conversion ... much easier with an FPU than using all of those auxiliaries xcolor needs :)
 
5:23 PM
@JosephWright When will xxcolor be released? ;-)
 
5:34 PM
@egreg That name is taken :)
@egreg I plan to add something to the SVN this week (in l3trial), then aim to merge into existing l3color for the code level. Once I sort image inclusion, the two might make xgraphics :)
@egreg Other than a few edge cases, there is no new functionality of course: it's just a question of bringing things into one place
 
@JosephWright Oh no! Then you'll have to go to xxxcolor which combined with latex will surely lead to even more spurious search results. :)
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@AlanMunn Indeed
 
@AlanMunn ooh
 
@AlanMunn zzzcolor ?
@JosephWright or colour (color done right and spelt right!)
 
5:51 PM
@AlanMunn More on topic search result, you should say. :-)
 
@DavidCarlisle :)
 
6:07 PM
> Catalonia's leader puts off declaration of independence from Spain to pursue talks
 
6:23 PM
@DavidCarlisle Your trademark. You really should rename all your packages with that prefix.
@DavidCarlisle And in keeping with the new colour package, you'll need to enforce proper pronunciation of the 'z'. :)
 
@PauloCereda did he say anything about the spelling of colour?
 
@DavidCarlisle Did reference Scotland, so probably with a 'u' ;)
 
@JosephWright can you look at the comments here I'm happy to vote to re-open if Peter wants to make a memoir answer but the main question seems to be word for word duplicate ... tex.stackexchange.com/q/395319/1090
 
@DavidCarlisle Done
 
@JosephWright thanks
 
6:42 PM
@DavidCarlisle They use color. :)
 
@PauloCereda Com s'escriu el color?
 
@DavidCarlisle I only remember a few Catalan words like pau, which is peace. Surprisingly, pau in Portuguese is wood. :)
 
The dangers of crowd sourcing a dictionary: (www.catalandictionary.org/)
expr colour blindness
(f) laneutralitat (o tolerància) racial
 
@AlanMunn Oh my
 
@PauloCereda It's not exactly wrong, since that's one sense of the word, but certainly not the primary one.
 
6:52 PM
@AlanMunn indeed
 
@Johannes_B WOOOOOO
@Johannes_B: There will be something along those lines for TUG 2018. :)
 
@PauloCereda Everybody needs/wants a giant rubber duck.
 
@Johannes_B EXACTLY
And a penguin too.
 
@PauloCereda Sí. Penguïuno mucho importante.
 
7:06 PM
@Johannes_B Penguinos e patos!
 
@PauloCereda This seems to be a guy from my hometown. youtube.com/watch?v=3ZNJXOJrTFs Maybe only @ChristianHupfer and @UlrikeFischer and @TeXnician etc. might understand.
 
@Johannes_B Oh no, not that bloke again
 
yo'
7:25 PM
Hey! How do you access the chat in the new top bar, if you don't remember the address?
 
@yo' Top-left 'StackExchange' icon, it's on there
 
yo'
@JosephWright So the click distance is again +1?!
actually, +2 and you have to search for the specific chat?
 
@yo' Same as it was with the previous iteration
 
yo'
@JosephWright If I click it, I get directly to stackexchange.com
 
@yo' Icon on top right.
 
7:29 PM
@yo' You should get the menu thing
 
yo'
@TorbjørnT. ah top right
damn it's confusing me. I hate these changes
ok, so the click distance is the same, it's just that the things moved again
and the avatar has rounded corners, it's not me anymore :-(
 
yo'
7:47 PM
Why is the top bar again higher?!
 
@yo' Because the search bar has to be that small...
 
yo'
@TeXnician oh yes, the very useful search bar, it's so tiny I almost missed it's there.
 
8:12 PM
@JosephWright vvv
I tried that and got to line 83 where I use a math thing: \({I}\Leftrightarrow{i}\) and the complier stopped with Segmentation fault: 11. — Buschmann 16 mins ago
 
@DavidCarlisle Eeek
 
9:08 PM
@DavidCarlisle Another reason for not using the tufte classes.
 
@egreg I think a segfault is almost certainly not it's fault ;)
 
Can you tell me how to find the search box on the site? It's so small you can barely find it.
 
@JosephWright not my fault either!
 
@DavidCarlisle Indeed: this one we can safely blame on Hans et al.
 
9:23 PM
@DavidCarlisle \cmidrule seems to disturb the \rowcolors counter: tex.stackexchange.com/questions/395554/…
 
@UlrikeFischer yes was just looking at that. Refer the user to @JosephWright's new colour package. All colour issues will be fixed.
 
@DavidCarlisle Nah: that's a tables issue, need to write l3table first ;)
 
@JosephWright I can't exclude it: LuaTeX is picky about typography. ;-)
@UlrikeFischer For obvious reasons you like black and white horizontal stripes.
 
9:42 PM
@egreg prisoner duck?
 
@UlrikeFischer Borussia?
 
@egreg sometimes ...
@egreg but the current shirt is different.
 
@UlrikeFischer Times have changed… :-(
 
@egreg Marketing. You sell more shirts if they change every season ...
 
10:17 PM
@egreg see if this kills your mac....
%----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
\documentclass[a4paper,sfsidenotes,notitlepage,justified,nobib]{tufte-book}


\textwidth=304.44447pt


%----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

\begin{document}



ZZ


displaces the non-\textit{ic5} pitches in a triad, i.e moves the third between minor and major. For the sake of examples, we assume the first chord in the transformation is $I$; ergo, in Schenkerian terms it would look like this: ${I}\Leftrightarrow{i}$.
 
@DavidCarlisle Yes, segmentation fault.
 
@DavidCarlisle It kills mine. And I already shortened it to
 
@egreg try without the ZZ
 
\documentclass{book}
  \RequirePackage{fontspec}
  \setmainfont[Renderer=Basic]{TeX Gyre Pagella}

\begin{document}

\textbf{P} displaces the non-\textit{ic5} pitches in a triad, i.e moves the third between minor and major.
For the sake of examples, we assume the first chord in the transformation is \(I\); ergo, in Schenkerian
\({I}\Leftrightarrow{i}\).

\end{document}
 
@DavidCarlisle The same
 
10:19 PM
@UlrikeFischer ah I tried using article but hadn't used Renderer=Basic
@egreg oh it didn't segfault for me
 
@DavidCarlisle Can't look more now, I have to sleep ... But I sent a message to the luatex list.
 
@UlrikeFischer thanks
 
@DavidCarlisle Less and less
\documentclass{book}
\usepackage{fontspec}

\setmainfont{TeX Gyre Pagella}[
  Renderer=Basic,
]

\begin{document}

P displaces the non-\textit{ic5} pitches in a triad,
For the sake of examples, we assume the first chord in the
transformati

\end{document}
 
@egreg oh so not the math at all,
 
Also transformat, but not transforma
@DavidCarlisle If I remove the \textit, then it goes
 
10:35 PM
Hello! I'm trying to create a set of co-ordinates in the form <x,y,z>, and since there may be fractions, I would like to use \left and \right with \textless and \textgreater. Is there a question someone could point me to? Thanks!
 
@boboquack why textlless that is for text you want math so \left<....\right>
 
(the error that comes up is Missing delimiter (. inserted), but a google search didn't help)
 
@boboquack You should use \langle x,y,z\rangle for the normal size; an abbreviation of \left\langle is \left< and of \right\rangle is \right>
 
@DavidCarlisle ah, an error on my part - I tried to do <x,y,z> originally, which didn't work because of the spacing, so I assumed \left< and \right> wouldn't work either
Thanks! (both @DavidC and @egreg)
 
10:49 PM
@egreg
\input luaotfload.sty

\hsize=345pt

\font \r  = {name:TeX Gyre Pagella Regular:mode=base}  at 10pt
\font \i   = {name:TeX Gyre Pagella Italic:mode=base}   at 10pt

\r
P displaces the non-{\i ic5\/} pitches in a triad,
For the sake of examples, we assume the first chord in the
transformati

\bye
 

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