The h Bar

heather

9:00 PM

yeah, because that supports a side in an argument.

AccidentalFourierTransform

its not a very big deal

Emilio Pisanty

@heather yeah, but what's the actual cost to the person trying to 'game' the system?

AccidentalFourierTransform

but if it can be fixed, it should

I mean, why not

upvotes in comments are not meaningless

I really don't get it. Are you people trying to argue that a comment with 40+ upvotes will have the same impact - credibility and visibility-wise - than one with no upvotes at all? That they are to all purposes equivalent? I know that in theory, they should be equivalent. But in practice, do you really think they are? — AccidentalFourierTransform May 15 at 20:07

heather

@EmilioPisanty none to the person trying to game it, currently

AccidentalFourierTransform

^

Emilio Pisanty

9:02 PM

@AccidentalFourierTransform I was going to use that as evidence that your claim that it's "not a very big deal" is pretty shaky

AccidentalFourierTransform

Caravan Palace - Lone Digger

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Emilio Pisanty

@heather so this is someone making new accounts out of the blue, with zero privileges, and using those to upvote comments?

AccidentalFourierTransform

awesome video ^

Emilio Pisanty

... and the thinking is that the multiple repeated account creation from a single address won't set off any flags on the spam + sock-puppet detection algorithms?

AccidentalFourierTransform

so you are telling me that, if it was actually very easy to fix, you wouldn't do it anyway?

Emilio Pisanty

9:07 PM

@AccidentalFourierTransform if it was a one-dev-day think, sure

I'm just unconvinced that this thing is actually exploitable

AccidentalFourierTransform

it is potentially exploitable

I dont think anyone has ever tried to use this method

mostly because I imagine very few people knew about it

Emilio Pisanty

@AccidentalFourierTransform is it, though?

it involves multiple accounts coming from the same address

AccidentalFourierTransform

as long as it is not a by-desing feature, it is a flaw

Emilio Pisanty

that's an immediate red flag for the sock-puppet detector

AccidentalFourierTransform

well, it turns out it is not something easy to fix

now we know that

but it might have been the case that it was actually a 5min fix

there was a lot of negativity when S.C. posted that on Meta

it made no sense

Emilio Pisanty

9:09 PM

@AccidentalFourierTransform as in?

All I see are people asking for evidence that this is an actual problem

AccidentalFourierTransform

everybody telling him to stop wasting everybody's time

Emilio Pisanty

i.e. helping improve the question

AccidentalFourierTransform

and that it was a stupid request

Dvij

@JohnRennie Haha, cool! You may also like to have a look at this lecture by Hawking. He argues that we say that time essentially begins at the big bang because the entire universe we are causally disconnected to whatever might have happened before the big bang. So maybe that is what you meant when you said that we call it the beginning because it is a singularity.
http://www.hawking.org.uk/the-beginning-of-time.html

AccidentalFourierTransform

and that upvotes in comments mean nothing

and that nobody cares about them

and he got more downvotes than upvotes during the first hour

Emilio Pisanty

9:11 PM

@AccidentalFourierTransform S.C. has a record of responding badly to polite requests to provide evidence for his/her claims.

AccidentalFourierTransform

I dont know that

all I know is what I saw there

Emilio Pisanty

@AccidentalFourierTransform regardless

it's at play there

AccidentalFourierTransform

it should not

Emilio Pisanty

all there is is: show that it's an actual problem

AccidentalFourierTransform

reasonable requests dont necessarily come from reasonable users

there is no need to show that it is an actual proble

as I said before, if it is not a by-desing feature, it should be fixed (if possible)

Emilio Pisanty

9:14 PM

meh

so much more stuff worth fixing before this

AccidentalFourierTransform

I agree

but a post raising a flag should not be received with negativity just because there are other things that are more urgent and important

a simple "thanks, we'll look into it whenever we have the time" would have sufficed

Emilio Pisanty

@AccidentalFourierTransform a post raising a potential problem being met with requests to show it's actually a problem isn't negativity

and, in any case, as I said, the question completely ignores the sockpuppet detector

if nothing else, it would leave a scorching black mark on the logs

AccidentalFourierTransform

whatever, its not a big deal

i just felt bad for S.C.

Emilio Pisanty

@AccidentalFourierTransform yeah, obviously

I mean, there's just one liter of ink on that thread

=P

AccidentalFourierTransform

he was just trying to help, and I didnt like the hostility of the responses

(the hostilities were perhaps in my head)

I mean, as I told Daniel

May 15 at 20:25, by AccidentalFourierTransform

I dont know, perhaps Im just focusing on the comments that I found unreasonable

heather

9:18 PM

eh, I thought people were taking it a little less seriously than they should have

people were literally saying that comment votes don't matter

which was almost like they were trying to be a jerk

Emilio Pisanty

@heather maybe because people are more acquainted with the sockpuppeting problem and the defenses against it

PSE doesn't see it much

AccidentalFourierTransform

their attitude was condescending

Emilio Pisanty

but SO is a programming site with a lot of users and there's a lot of temptation for some people to code 'emselves up some sockpuppets

DanielSank

@Sid Well, someone says here "I'll be in Santa Barbara". Then I say "Oh, cool, here's my phone number. We should get burritos".

Hi, everybody.

AccidentalFourierTransform

hi

heather

9:25 PM

hello

Emilio Pisanty

@DanielSank hi Dan

in some relevant news, I'm currently 66rep away from my goal

::grin::

DanielSank

@EmilioPisanty What happens then?

Bernardo Meurer

@DanielSank He's not even joking

Emilio Pisanty

@DanielSank physics.stackexchange.com/users/8563/…

DanielSank

Why would I joke?

Bernardo Meurer

9:28 PM

Because you're a goof

DanielSank

@EmilioPisanty I don't get it.

AccidentalFourierTransform

your reputation

his offered bounties

Emilio Pisanty

::grin::

DanielSank

Oh ffs.

You wonderful bastard.

Emilio Pisanty

@DanielSank hahahaha

Bernardo Meurer

9:29 PM

@DanielSank Get rekd

AccidentalFourierTransform

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

DanielSank

You know what though, I rek you all because I still have the highest fraction of accepted answers.

::grins::

Emilio Pisanty

@DanielSank yeah, oh well

DanielSank

(At least, for people who actually write lots of answers)

Bernardo Meurer

I rek you all because I'm failing my physics course

No, wait

Dammit

DanielSank

9:30 PM

(I think you have to put a cutoff of around 50 or something for me to win that)

@BernardoMeurer awwwww

Emilio Pisanty

the stated goal has now been updated to getting the EP Offered Rep user onto the first page of the users-by-reputation table

should be another 2k or so

Bernardo Meurer

The only second I considered learning Physics was when JR trolled me by saying you could sell rep points for money

Emilio Pisanty

@BernardoMeurer y u speak oztrayan?

Bernardo Meurer

@EmilioPisanty Hum?

Emilio Pisanty

@BernardoMeurer urbandictionary.com/…

> Rek is Australian slang for the word wreck. Same as Rekt meaning wrecked.

Bernardo Meurer

9:33 PM

I didn't know it was from down under

I thought it was just edgy af

DanielSank

@EmilioPisanty Why you have so much rep?

Emilio Pisanty

@DanielSank I have no idea

DanielSank

Fair enough.

Yo send me some more music. I always like your music.

Emilio Pisanty

because I spend much too much time on this site?

hmmmm

DanielSank

That one crazy album was so good it almost killed me.

Emilio Pisanty

9:35 PM

@DanielSank you seen Systema Solar yet?

DanielSank

I don't remember what it was called now...

@EmilioPisanty Negative.

Emilio Pisanty

@DanielSank Cumbiakistán

DanielSank

yep

damn it's so good

Emilio Pisanty

@DanielSank I normally start here

Yo Voy Ganao - Systema Solar (Video Oficial)

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DanielSank

My brain can barely take it.

Emilio Pisanty

9:36 PM

and let the YouTube mix take it from there

DanielSank

cool

How come when I Google "Cumbakinstan" I get a bunch of shady results?

Shady like if I talk about the results here I'll be banned >.>

Emilio Pisanty

@DanielSank 'cos you're mispelling it, maybe?

that version doesn't get anything

the -instan I imagine is an obvious typo

I do see some pretty shady stuff from cumbakistan

oh yeah, I see why

DanielSank

^ yep

well, yeah...

still

Emilio Pisanty

if bakistan is a vague synonym for Pakistan

AccidentalFourierTransform

:: googles ::

Emilio Pisanty

9:39 PM

@AccidentalFourierTransform would advise against

but anyway

AccidentalFourierTransform

:: blushes ::

Emilio Pisanty

@DanielSank why would you take the i out of cumbia?

is cumbia not something you were aware of?

QUE NADIE SEPA MI SUFRIR - Sonora Dinamita

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this kinda thing?

Los Ángeles Azules - Mis Sentimientos ft. Ximena Sariñana

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Chico Trujillo - Plato único bailable (Full Album)

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DanielSank

It was a typo, @EmilioPisanty.

Emilio Pisanty

@DanielSank =P

no, seriously, though

DanielSank

wut?

Emilio Pisanty

9:43 PM

how aware are you of what cumbia is?

DanielSank

zero

Emilio Pisanty

@DanielSank ok, excellent

there's a lot of cool music I can show you, then

DanielSank

Reading Wikipedia.

Emilio Pisanty

lolz

sounds about right

all of it fantastic

steer clear of cumbia villera, though

DanielSank

Why?

Emilio Pisanty

9:51 PM

@DanielSank not as good as the rest

more along the lines of reggaetón than anything else

anyways

if you want something more specific I can provide a tour

but the vids above are good starting points

DanielSank

I am reading the map correctly that Brazil and Argentina do not partake in this particular musical genre?

Emilio Pisanty

@DanielSank mostly, yes

with the exception of cumbia villera

which is a lot of this kinda stuff, not particularly thrilling to my taste

DanielSank

@EmilioPisanty eeeeech

Yeah

Emilio Pisanty

@DanielSank toldja

@DanielSank plenty of way better stuff around

El Gran Silencio - Chúntaro Style

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Celso Piña Y El Gran Silencio Cumbia Poder.m4v

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La Sonora Santanera - La Boa ft. Roco

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