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1:06 AM
sd f
 
1:32 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted username, few unique characters in answer: How to match a string like this some_array[0] or some_array["index"] by wingding on stackoverflow.com
 
1:45 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted username, few unique characters in answer: vim delete lambda variable and block by wingding on stackoverflow.com
 
@SmokeDetector tpu-
@Undo What are your thoughts on either only showing invalidated feedback on the user feedback page or just removing visibility of that page all together?
 
@hichris123 Probably remove visibility all together if those are the only two options
 
why are you thinking of removing this visibility?
 
I don't think there's any other good option. There's really no reason to show all feedback, if it hasn't been invalidated there's no good reason to see it.
 
@hichris123 I've used it before to look up posts that I know I had feedback on from way back
But that's rare
 
1:55 AM
@Yvette Because of the gamification thing we were talking about.
@Undo Fair, but I would think a metasmoke search would work better.
 
@hichris123 Talking about that again - what's the real issue with people gamifying it?
 
(unless you didn't remember anything about the post)
 
@hichris123 yep I thought so, it's still not going to stop people now they know about it
I think reducing the number of users with SD privileges is the way to go. Keep it small
 
@Undo Apparently some people are viewing this as a "need to boost my stats" kind of thing. And I don't think that's something we should be encouraging. If anything, we need flaggers.
 
@Undo people are wanting to keep there invalidated stats down
 
1:57 AM
Are there more than, say, 5 bad actors on this?
 
@hichris123 What if we just hid the overall stats on those pages, and kept all the feedback?
If people want to go through the trouble of manually calculating it, fine. Otherwise, we can take away the easy number to game
 
@Undo I don't think it will make a difference now people know about it
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported answer: vim delete lambda variable and block by wingding on stackoverflow.com
 
I guess, but I don't really see a good reason to keep showing all feedback. I have never used that page, I don't even know the URL.
 
1:59 AM
are we supposed to mark that as sd k?
 
sd k
meh, might as well
Wanted to get a copy since we either didn't catch it or we were too slow
 
I have been sd king them
 
@Undo Why report? You can one-shot the post and the poster!
 
for stats
 
@BrockAdams Throws a copy in metasmoke for easy access by the Regex wizards.
 
1:59 AM
'K thanks.
 
Speaking of, regex search for username/body would be nice, @Undo. :)
 
[ SmokeDetector ] URL in title, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title: healthflyup.com/revi-spa-cream/ by Ashleyavery2016 on arduino.stackexchange.com (@NickGammon @QPaysTaxes)
 
@hichris123 Agree that I can't find very many reasons to keep it, but I can't really find any good reasons to get rid of it either
Feels like we should trend toward transparency where we can
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to tell you the truth I think with the popularity SOCVR has gained and then the spill over into here, I would be reducing the number of users with sd priveleges in here.
 
@hichris123 Oh yeah, I should go do that sometime.
Maybe tomorrow
 
2:01 AM
Let SOCVR cope with the mess of multiple feedback
and if people persist on doing it here remove them
warn and then remove
 
@Yvette I've thought for a while that it'd be sane to be stricter with granting and removing people across the board.
 
When I mentioned it to a user a while back, his repsonse was he wanted keep his percentage low
 
I'm not sure this really needs transparency. We have the invalidated feedback page, that's good enough really.
 
Main reason we don't is that is drama
 
@Undo absolutely
 
2:02 AM
@hichris123 The global one?
 
This room contained serious minded people when I first joined it
and the tempo has changed some what
 
@hichris123 Where is this page? Do you need a Metasmoke login?
 
I liked the link you gave @hichris123 about a group being it's own worst enemy
 
sorry all the typos
 
2:03 AM
@Yvette Trying to scale a chatroom for increased traffic rarely works well
 
this room doesn't need to win popularity contests nor have the same democratic rules that SE has
 
@Undo Thanks. Don't see a link for that on my normal MS pages.
 
@hichris123 Put it this way: Is there active harm that comes from it still being public (and still not linked anywhere?)
 
@Undo Yeah. Even then, it's not that important -- I guess you could kinda sorta learn from your mistakes, but usually invalidation is more "I made a mistake" or "we don't really want that to be spam/offensive flagged".
 
@Quill I'm not sure I understand what you mean?
 
2:04 AM
@hichris123 We could probably be more proactive with sending invalidations back to SmokeDetector to ping the user in the room.
Force people to at least see mistakes
 
the socvr is like the fgitw with sd at peak times, it's insane
 
@Undo It makes people focus on a number. Really, people shouldn't be worrying about "am I close to being feedback-ignored", they should be worrying about if they are dealing with a post appropriately.
 
@Yvette Is there any evidence that they're doing it to game stuff, or is it just everyone jumping on it at one time?
@hichris123 Right, take the numbers away
 
@Undo that's just jumping in for fun
I can get a link about the gaming, but it is in the transcript here way back
 
@Yvette Thanks!
 
2:06 AM
@Yvette My view on that is that if the SOCVR ROs are okay with it, I'm fine with it
If people are gaming it to get their percentages up, that's Not Okay. But otherwise... you're not going to fill up metasmoke, and more data isn't a bad thing
 
@Undo agree, so it's just here
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted username: vim delete lambda variable and block by wingding on stackoverflow.com
 
@Undo But do we really need to show people their feedback? Especially considering metasmoke is more a side-platform, only a user's actions on SE matter.
 
sd k
 
@hichris123 Point
Of course, we need to have that page anyway for admin stuff.
So the question is just whether it should still be public
 
2:08 AM
I find it useful to see if my feedback is improving
I was making some mistakes when multitasking and am please to see my feedback is improving
it was consistently at a x% fail rate
an dhas improved
so from that point of view I personally like it, it helps me to improve myself, testing myself against myself, it that makes sense
 
[ SmokeDetector ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title: supplementscloud.com/male-perf/ by vizpiterjil on drupal.stackexchange.com
 
@SmokeDetector Grrr. can't protect the question for some reason (Hint @Undo)... Off to look at change log.
 
sd k
 
Eh, might as well protect it for a while. He'll just find another one
 
I can't find the transcript, I remember pinging Art about it a while back before the problem cascaded.
 
2:13 AM
Okay, looking at data since June 15
Page has been accessed 203 times
 
that's not it, there was another comment that explicitly expressed wanting to keep the invalidation stats down
 
@Undo The question is only asked today; cutting out potential answerers is throwing out the proverbial baby.
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported question: What the key to making the overall look of your Sentry Box by containerhouse on drupal.stackexchange.com
 
Shows how long spam lasts there when Smokey doesn't catch it...
The domain kind of looks randomly generated, but adding because some such things were reused, too.
 
sd k
 
@QPaysTaxes True, but would require a bit of rejiggering of the code. Possibly a mild performance hit.
 
!!/pull
 
2:49 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] SmokeDetector started at rev 29e5c1b (Normal Human: + hzxiaoya) (running on Raspberry Pi)
 
the spam looking parts are in FindSpam.py
 
Restart: API quota is 8873.
 
@SmokeDetector That... is @Doorknob spam? ha.
 
That would only have effect on the current instance of Smokey. It restarts every 6 hours at least.
 
@QPaysTaxes Whatdya mean?
Also, I've pulled the data on how often people's /admin/user_feedback pages get looked at. It doesn't really support gaming except in the few cases we already suspected. cc @hichris123
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@QPaysTaxes I've thought for a while that they should be real files, that'd give us more flexibility.
Like CSVs or whatever the hip thing is these days
@QPaysTaxes Only load it when you need to; keep it in memory otherwise
@QPaysTaxes JSON? Negligible, really
A valid concern @hichris123 has raised in the past is that these are fed into regexes, so it'd be bad to change them on the fly without running CI on them.
@QPaysTaxes Not 3
@QPaysTaxes How do I tell?
@QPaysTaxes Unlikely. That's a giant architecture change.
@QPaysTaxes You could just give them to me to run in the environment
@QPaysTaxes I can
 
3:00 AM
@hichris123 I missed it; what was it?
 
@QPaysTaxes Thing is, those blacklisted websites get compiled into a regex themselves, so we don't have separate logic for checking blacklisted websites.
Keeps things a little simpler
But if we can change the file, run CI on them in the background, revert if CI fails and apply if CI is happy... that would seem safe
We have plenty of headroom on that Pi to do that
@QPaysTaxes /usr/bin/python
Which probably doesn't help much :P
@QPaysTaxes Probably. I think I installed it from apt-get
@QPaysTaxes Pretty sure. It was a while ago, but usually I do the easiest thing
also, @hichris123 I'm actually a little excited about the prospects of chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/30581418#30581418. Thoughts on how safe that'd be?
 
@Doorknob metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/posts/by-url?url=//… only thing in metasmoke with doorknob
 
@QPaysTaxes Maybe, but we're mostly network bound. The only thing that's really slow is communicating with Chat.
I don't think we have a backlog on parsing stuff
 
@Undo You still have to deal with sending to GitHub. And I'm still not so sure this is something we should invest time into; opening the GitHub file and adding a website takes ~30 seconds, and we have committers in most timezones.
@Undo Hmm okay.
 
@hichris123 We, of course not. A bored Undo, though?
 
3:05 AM
Well, I can think of better things for you to play around with. :)
 
oh yeah, regex search.
 
One is TensorFlow + spam.
 
@hichris123 Really want to, but I can't find a way to get good clean data on it
 
@Undo That... actually wasn't what I was thinking. :P
@Undo What do you mean?
 
@hichris123 Metasmoke's stuff is all the spam garbled into one reason, which isn't very helpful
I'd really like to have one type of spam so I can get good signal
 
3:07 AM
Oh yeah, that's true.
I guess you could focus on say drupal or something like that, since some sites only get certain types of spam.
 
And I can't find a good "what is this even" signal from it, unless stackoverflow.com/questions/37669448/… is it
I really want meta.stackexchange.com/q/279993/215468, but that's been abnormally... ignored.
 
Oh, well SyntaxNet is more for parsing. You need a classifying bit too (best I've found is some tutorials, but this is over my head too :P)
 
@hichris123 Honestly, I want to try to take the most naive approach I can think of with this and see what kind of results I can get
Which is to just look at the word trees and look for patterns
There's some actual signal in the 300-some titles @ArtOfCode got, but I'd like to have far more before booting up a modified Smokey and trying it
 
You can try that, but the whole point of ML is to allow the machine to classify it on its own. Not saying that you can't get results out of that, but it's much easier to allow the machine to find patterns than it is for you to find patterns.
 
This is probably true
The Smokey dev inside of me really wants to write a regex though :P
 
3:12 AM
You've... become a smoke detector?
:P
 
@hichris123 I look down on @Doorknob all day
and I have a flashy light.
@QPaysTaxes Only at night. Don't want to bother people during the day.
 
@Undo It's kind of scary, honestly. I'm always being watched.
 
afk
 
That's codeword for "spy on Doorknob"
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, pattern-matching website in body: Serum initiatives upheld through contributors identical by sieijonida on stackoverflow.com
 
3:25 AM
@Undo I've heard regexps can be used for all sorts of things. Personally, I like them. :) Although recently I've been experimenting with LPEG.
 
@NickGammon Fun fact: I'm currently wearing this shirt
 
You can buy it?
 
@NickGammon No :P
 
Interested to see if stackexchange.com/users/8695602/sieijonida?tab=activity spams across the network.
 
Hmm - must be possible to get it made - after all the text is released under the CC license isn't it?
 
3:29 AM
@Doorknob I have a few of those, kinda stopped wearing them after having to explain to a few people why I'm wearing a shirt talking about weeping the blood of virgins
@NickGammon Sure, just attributed it and maybe don't use the SO logo
 
@Undo Guy I sit next to in class recognized it. Worth it.
 
@Doorknob That's awesome
 
Might take a few visits to the printer. They're bound to say there is a typo in it. :P
 
@Undo Yeah. He also uses Arch, i3, neovim, zsh, and Telegram (just like I do) on a Thinkpad two models away from mine. And we have the same glasses prescription, as we have discovered. I'm still not sure if we're the same person.
I dunno, I'll ask him tomorrow
 
4:19 AM
sd f
 
[ SmokeDetector ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title: getmusclebuildingbase.com/hypertone-force-sa/ by Mandrycozz on security.stackexchange.com
 
sd k
soz I'll leave you to it
 
[ SmokeDetector ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title, link at end of body, link following arrow in body: klereumcol.com/revitasence/ by user152112 on gaming.stackexchange.com (@angussidney)
 
Jun 9 at 17:52, by Magisch
@Undo What came of the email you sent to adam?
 
@soup I've heard nothing
 
4:30 AM
The easiest thing of those mentioned would be to hellban the posts with URL-only title.
A substantial percentage of spam nowadays.
Except there is probably no support for instant deletion of posts after submission....
 
@soup Probably not, and blocking them outright is iffy
 
Blocking is useless against people; it just tells them to change something until submission works.
Works against CJK bots.
 
Well, obviously SpamRam does something correct. It needs to somehow be tweaked for these spammers though.
Tim hasn't posted any SpamRam stats recently. :(
 
Yeah, I meant blocking by content.
 
[ SmokeDetector ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, link following arrow in body, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title: yoursbetterhealthsolutions.com/dermajur/ by dayjames on drupal.stackexchange.com
 
4:41 AM
@soup Right. I just don't understand how SpamRam can block 10k posts/day but let these through. I guess snow-shoe spammers.
 
Metasmoke has 954 posts with URL-only title, metasmoke.erwaysoftware.com/…
(used ^http because ^http\S*$ didn't yield anything. Good enough)
 
Speaking of regex, I wish metasmoke had \p{} support. But it doesn't look like that's a part of the MySQL regex engine. :(
 
[ SmokeDetector ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title: realcoloncleansingworks.com/revi-spa-cream-reviews/ by johaanasyukk on drupal.stackexchange.com
[ SmokeDetector ] URL-only title, link at end of body, link following arrow in body, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title: fatburnxonline.com/hyper-tone-excel/ by jmanzajosephpa on askubuntu.com
 
sd 2k
 
5:07 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, link following arrow in body, pattern-matching website in body: Sean Nalewanyj Muscle Gain Truth Review? by Soreondr on askubuntu.com
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Revi Spa your skin lies under by gazzydoack on drupal.stackexchange.com
 
5:22 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Natural Skin Care Recipes by Marjoriejone on drupal.stackexchange.com
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted username, pattern-matching website in body: adequate quantity of collagen and water levels on the by artelljuriya on stackoverflow.com
 
sd k
 
{ metasmoke } @ProgramFOX: It seems this is your first time sending feedback to SmokeDetector. Make sure you've read the guidance on your privileges, the available commands, and what feedback to use in different situations.
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heh
 
^^ go on read them
 
It means FOX was AWOL for too long.
 
5:26 AM
@QPaysTaxes Nah, it's just been a while since I gave feedback, and this warning is a new feature. (in fact I created the first version of the feedback system :p)
 
I don't remember him getting a formal leave of absence, so WOL is true.
 
I hadn't left anyway. :P It's just been quite a while since I posted.
 
@SmokeDetector clever spam, using comment text to look plausible.
 
5:42 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted website in body, link at end of body, link following arrow in body: Is testor X4 Really Safe To Use? by bertinfenne on askubuntu.com
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Zen Life Supplements extended part for the work by mithbozac on askubuntu.com
 
5:57 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted username, pattern-matching website in body: sorts of hostile to maturing creams and serums by xonjuriyam on stackoverflow.com
 
sd k
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: This is without doubt one of the most? by Orrell bandi on drupal.stackexchange.com
 
sd k
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Pattern-matching website in body: Neurocet Reviews by susanlanna on arduino.stackexchange.com (@NickGammon @QPaysTaxes)
 
sd k
 
6:12 AM
Thanks to Smokey that spam lasted about 20 seconds. ;)
It had some cute concepts: I was so irritated by my pet rabbit pounding around in his pen that I yelled and reviled at him with red hot.
Hey, you have to read this stuff to make sure it is spam, right?
 
I don't read the whole thing if I read enough to convince myself it's spam
 
@NickGammon If I see some scrub stuff like "<generic pharma brand reviews>" and then a link with shit and nonsense text, I can judge the entire post in the time it takes for the flag dialog to load
 
Just kidding with you ... I skim down to see whatever-it-is they are selling. Usually something to do with something getting better. Although this is quite funny: I likewise felt rather apothetic and torpid, and acctually nodded off at my work area after lunch for around min.
 
Things that aren't blatantly obvious spam get a closer examination
 
@NickGammon it is funny
 
6:23 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Vida Eye Revitalizer It's critical that you pick by RubenWhite on arduino.stackexchange.com (@NickGammon @QPaysTaxes)
 
Yep, I got to it within 38 seconds. It contained some good advice too, apart from the spam link: Instead of using a generic reference, use each person's name in their personal email. Include a call to action in your emails as well.
 
@QPaysTaxes No, most likely not
 
And the advice about using a person's name is good, because I got a spam message recently addressed to: Dear <#[email]#>
Also one addressed to: Reversed Customer,
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected, repeating characters in answer: Add outline to text in Preview by user189551 on apple.stackexchange.com
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: health problem, incapacity, and enduring. Methuselah groundwork by sieijonida on drupal.stackexchange.com
 
6:43 AM
sd k
 
{ metasmoke } @NickGammon: It seems this is your first time sending feedback to SmokeDetector. Make sure you've read the guidance on your privileges, the available commands, and what feedback to use in different situations.
 
No it isn't. :P
 
It said that to me the other day, too
 
6:56 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted username, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: i say i isI was among them who endured torment of by xonjuriyam on drupal.stackexchange.com
 
sd k
 
7:08 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: This product is revolutionary? by vimdashelly on drupal.stackexchange.com
[ SmokeDetector ] URL in title, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title: fornatgaex.com/revitasence/ by Pamack on drupal.stackexchange.com
[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted website in answer: How to drive a E1144CS021 (EPD display)? by xiao wang on electronics.stackexchange.com
 
7:28 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title: utrimcleanseblog.com/dermajur/ by butlar joj on security.stackexchange.com
 
sd k
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in title, pattern-matching website in body: Simple But Effective Techniques For Muscle Building by marylipps on gis.stackexchange.com
 
sd k
 
7:45 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive answer detected: Why does the Boeing 787 engine nacelle exhaust have such an unusual shape? by fuck on aviation.stackexchange.com
 
sd k
 
[ SmokeDetector ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title: health-wellnessworld.com/hyper-tone-force/ by greak1942 on drupal.stackexchange.com
[ SmokeDetector ] Blacklisted user: Relative Internal Noise levels in various aircraft scenarios by turbo on aviation.stackexchange.com
 
@SmokeDetector k
Not sure what to do with other one - same offensive user as above now with a VLQ answer and name change
 
8:05 AM
@SmokeDetector vlq (is that recognized?)
guess not.
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, blacklisted username, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Wrinkle Control balances the needs of your skin and works by artell juriya on drupal.stackexchange.com
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted username, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: small you skin was smooth and soft from by artell juriya on superuser.com
 
sd 2k
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: gray in 2003 to disclose suggestion into the systems of maturing by sieijonida on superuser.com
 
8:25 AM
SD K
 
8:36 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: 6 Ways Vitalmax Xt Can Drive You Bankrupt - Fast! by kristencamp on drupal.stackexchange.com
 
sd k
 
8:49 AM
Restart: API quota is 7242.
[ SmokeDetector ] Offensive body detected: Windows Terminal Server on Win 7 by suni_apprentice on stackoverflow.com
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Eventually they use the usual measures? by Orrellbandi on askubuntu.com
 
@SmokeDetector ignore- dramatic reaction to Brexit
@SmokeDetector K
 
9:11 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] URL in title, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title: getmusclebuildingbase.com/hypertone-force-sa/ by chriskes on security.stackexchange.com
[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported question: How does cream operate? by khudajiibond on stackoverflow.com
 
sd 2k
 
[ SmokeDetector ] URL in title, bad keyword in body: vimeo.com/171714157 by helenard on gaming.stackexchange.com (@angussidney)
 
sd k
 
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, pattern-matching website in body: Make sure your eyes stay healthy by farihaopal on stackoverflow.com
 
sd k
 
9:33 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: Wanna try Helix6 Garcinia!! Read this First by Pondetalon on askubuntu.com
 
SD K
 
[ SmokeDetector ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title: utrimcleanseblog.com/revi-spa-cream/ by alishtrime on security.stackexchange.com
 
sd k
 
9:51 AM
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword in body, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body: by the point you enter in your by sivmanelly on askubuntu.com
[ SmokeDetector ] Bad keyword with email in body, pattern-matching website in body: SAP VIDEO COURSE by haritha565 on stackoverflow.com
[ SmokeDetector ] Manually reported question: SAP VIDEO COURSE by haritha565 on stackoverflow.com
 
SD 3K
 
sd 3k
 
DUPLICATE ALERT
We'll hand you to the headquarters, @Peter.
 
Actually for all the talk about dupe feedback what problem does it cause? The above was within a second of each other which is inevitable time to time so is the main concern general chat noise if people start feedback trains or does it cause some other problem?
 
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