@Undo What are your thoughts on either only showing invalidated feedback on the user feedback page or just removing visibility of that page all together?
I don't think there's any other good option. There's really no reason to show all feedback, if it hasn't been invalidated there's no good reason to see it.
@Undo Apparently some people are viewing this as a "need to boost my stats" kind of thing. And I don't think that's something we should be encouraging. If anything, we need flaggers.
[ SmokeDetector ] URL in title, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title: healthflyup.com/revi-spa-cream/ by Ashleyavery2016 on arduino.stackexchange.com (@NickGammon @QPaysTaxes) …
to tell you the truth I think with the popularity SOCVR has gained and then the spill over into here, I would be reducing the number of users with sd priveleges in here.
@Undo Yeah. Even then, it's not that important -- I guess you could kinda sorta learn from your mistakes, but usually invalidation is more "I made a mistake" or "we don't really want that to be spam/offensive flagged".
@Undo It makes people focus on a number. Really, people shouldn't be worrying about "am I close to being feedback-ignored", they should be worrying about if they are dealing with a post appropriately.
@Yvette My view on that is that if the SOCVR ROs are okay with it, I'm fine with it
If people are gaming it to get their percentages up, that's Not Okay. But otherwise... you're not going to fill up metasmoke, and more data isn't a bad thing
@Undo But do we really need to show people their feedback? Especially considering metasmoke is more a side-platform, only a user's actions on SE matter.
[ SmokeDetector ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title: supplementscloud.com/male-perf/ by vizpiterjil on drupal.stackexchange.com…
Also, I've pulled the data on how often people's /admin/user_feedback pages get looked at. It doesn't really support gaming except in the few cases we already suspected. cc @hichris123
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@QPaysTaxes I've thought for a while that they should be real files, that'd give us more flexibility.
Like CSVs or whatever the hip thing is these days
@QPaysTaxes Only load it when you need to; keep it in memory otherwise
@QPaysTaxes JSON? Negligible, really
A valid concern @hichris123 has raised in the past is that these are fed into regexes, so it'd be bad to change them on the fly without running CI on them.
@QPaysTaxes Not 3
@QPaysTaxes How do I tell?
@QPaysTaxes Unlikely. That's a giant architecture change.
@QPaysTaxes You could just give them to me to run in the environment
@QPaysTaxes Thing is, those blacklisted websites get compiled into a regex themselves, so we don't have separate logic for checking blacklisted websites.
Keeps things a little simpler
But if we can change the file, run CI on them in the background, revert if CI fails and apply if CI is happy... that would seem safe
We have plenty of headroom on that Pi to do that
@QPaysTaxes /usr/bin/python
Which probably doesn't help much :P
@QPaysTaxes Probably. I think I installed it from apt-get
@QPaysTaxes Pretty sure. It was a while ago, but usually I do the easiest thing
@Undo You still have to deal with sending to GitHub. And I'm still not so sure this is something we should invest time into; opening the GitHub file and adding a website takes ~30 seconds, and we have committers in most timezones.
You can try that, but the whole point of ML is to allow the machine to classify it on its own. Not saying that you can't get results out of that, but it's much easier to allow the machine to find patterns than it is for you to find patterns.
@Doorknob I have a few of those, kinda stopped wearing them after having to explain to a few people why I'm wearing a shirt talking about weeping the blood of virgins
@NickGammon Sure, just attributed it and maybe don't use the SO logo
@Undo Yeah. He also uses Arch, i3, neovim, zsh, and Telegram (just like I do) on a Thinkpad two models away from mine. And we have the same glasses prescription, as we have discovered. I'm still not sure if we're the same person.
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[ SmokeDetector ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title, link at end of body, link following arrow in body: klereumcol.com/revitasence/ by user152112 on gaming.stackexchange.com (@angussidney) …
[ SmokeDetector ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, link following arrow in body, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title: yoursbetterhealthsolutions.com/dermajur/ by dayjames on drupal.stackexchange.com…
@QPaysTaxes Nah, it's just been a while since I gave feedback, and this warning is a new feature. (in fact I created the first version of the feedback system :p)
@NickGammon If I see some scrub stuff like "<generic pharma brand reviews>" and then a link with shit and nonsense text, I can judge the entire post in the time it takes for the flag dialog to load
Just kidding with you ... I skim down to see whatever-it-is they are selling. Usually something to do with something getting better. Although this is quite funny: I likewise felt rather apothetic and torpid, and acctually nodded off at my work area after lunch for around min.
Yep, I got to it within 38 seconds. It contained some good advice too, apart from the spam link: Instead of using a generic reference, use each person's name in their personal email. Include a call to action in your emails as well.
[ SmokeDetector ] URL in title, bad keyword in body, bad keyword in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title: utrimcleanseblog.com/dermajur/ by butlar joj on security.stackexchange.com…
[ SmokeDetector ] URL in title, blacklisted website in body, blacklisted website in title, link at end of body, pattern-matching website in body, pattern-matching website in title: getmusclebuildingbase.com/hypertone-force-sa/ by chriskes on security.stackexchange.com…
Actually for all the talk about dupe feedback what problem does it cause? The above was within a second of each other which is inevitable time to time so is the main concern general chat noise if people start feedback trains or does it cause some other problem?