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RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

19:00

Them's on every milk pack!

Surely one should know what them's called?

KitFox

Cross marks?

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@KitFox tried cross, tried square, to no avail.

Matt Эллен

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 adobe do?

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

The problem seems to be that "screen" and "printing" match every single image on the Internet.

Matt Эллен

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

19:02

Progressive color bar, huh.

KitFox

Registration marks.

What the hell kind of crazy image is that anyway?

Matt Эллен

lol

KitFox

Can you imagine being that model?

Cerberus

> color charts or quality control strips

> colour bar

aedia λ

InDesign has options for crop marks, bleed marks, registration marks, and color bars all under Printer's Marks

Cerberus

19:05

The most common term seems to be colour bar.

aedia λ

Also, bleed and slug options, which sound very threatening when you've forgotten what it's for

Matt Эллен

:D

don't slug me! I bleed easily

Cerberus

slugs enemy hounds and bleeds them dry

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@Cerberus not for Google Images.

I am still looking for the term to link to from within my comment.

The German term is Passermarke.

Mahnax

@Cerberus Don't worry, there isn't really much competition for your post as guard of the gates of hell.

Cerberus

19:11

Proofing bar?

Colour control bar/strip?

@Mahnax Good, good.

I still see colour bar everywhere.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@Cerberus nope and nope and nope. So far registration mark has the most usable GIS results.

Cerberus

I think it is the most-used casual term.

Why are you focused on Google Images?

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

I wanted to have a handy link.

Matt Эллен

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Matt is right on the money. What printers actually do is have a wet run, and then check the registration marks or color bars for proper alignment. (You've probably seen those many times, when you tore apart a pack of milk, or other commercial packaging.) — RegDwight ΒВBẞ8 57 secs ago

Let him google it for him.

I got better stuff to do with the rest of this evening.

Speaking of which, AFK.

Cerberus

19:16

Wise.

@MattЭллен Nice.

Matt Эллен

I cycled ~40 miles today. I am still enjoying the endorphines

Cerberus

Though the grey under the nails isn't calibrated correctly.

Wow, that's far.

Matt Эллен

Yeah. I'm practising for the 63 miles at the end of the month

I'm joining my friend on a sponsored cycle ride

I'm a little worried because Oxfordshire is quite flat and the ride we're doing ascends 1.2 km

cornbread ninja

@MattЭллен yeesh

Matt Эллен

It's surprisingly not that hard. I had an hour break at the 20 mile mark, and so long as you just keep going, there's not much to it :D

Mahnax

19:25

Woo! I finished my fourth module in this class and now I get a spare every other day.

Matt Эллен

Yay!

Mahnax

Quite!

It was a pretty boring module, but it's done.

Matt Эллен

What was it?

Mahnax

Albeit not particularly well, but I really don't care about this class.

Audio/Video stuff.

Matt Эллен

oh, nice

Mahnax

19:26

I didn't put in the effort to make it all sparkly, I just got it done. Maybe I'll get 80%, tops.

Matt Эллен

sounds fun, even if it's not :)

cornbread ninja

this

@Matt my town is wickedly hilly; I can't imagine

hill-acious, if you will

Mahnax

Hellacious?

cornbread ninja

@Mahnax yes, but with hills (^__^)

Matt Эллен

is that an empty cup?

oh!

cornbread ninja

19:29

It wouldn't let me make asterisk face ._.

Matt Эллен

(* _ *)

cornbread ninja

[golf clap]

I was going to go that route, but I wasn't sure spaces would fool it

Matt Эллен

thanks. it required skills that one is born with, you can't learn this talent

(* _ *)

cornbread ninja

@Mahnax how long do the modules last?

oh, rub it in @Matt :D

Mahnax

@cornbreadninja Not too long.

Depends on the effort you put in, I guess.

I did absolutely nothing for the whole month of May.

And I still get a spare.

cornbread ninja

19:31

@Mahnax oh, I thought they might be semester-like

Mahnax

@cornbreadninja Nah.

cornbread ninja

@Mahnax so you have something of a free period now?

Mahnax

@cornbreadninja Yeah. I don't even have to come to school for this class anymore.

cornbread ninja

@Mahnax sweet

KitFox

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 That's what I said!

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

19:39

1

A: Along or Across

Along the road to success is a fairly common phrase, getting 2,000,000 results on a Google search of that exact phrase. I would choose along.

How many results do you get by clicking on his link?

Funny, I only get 122,000 by following your link. And only 1030 for "obstacles along the road to success". {And only one single hit for "obstacles across the road to success", but a whopping 13000 for "obstacles on the road to success".) — RegDwight ΒВBẞ8 2 mins ago

KitFox

About 2,000,000 (0.11 seconds)

Robusto

chat.stackexchange.com/transcript/message/4830062#4830062 Are you talking about registration marks?

KitFox

Ha! Yes! See? I was right!

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@KitFox grrr. Can you check the other phrases from my comment, pretty please?

KitFox

"obstacles along the road to success" about 2,880

"obstacles across the road to success" just 1

Robusto

19:42

KitFox

"obstacles on the road to success" 76,600

Robusto

This will be my new symbol of mobility.

KitFox

Wow. That's a nice looking cane.

Robusto

You damn betcha. I ordered the one in walnut.

KitFox

I would surely want to shag anyone using such a lovely device, were I not otherwise and such and so.

Robusto

19:43

@KitFox Did you also look for "obstacles on the road to success"?

KitFox

1 min ago, by KitFox

"obstacles on the road to success" 76,600

Robusto

Oh, yes, you did.

Sorry.

KitFox

And I agree with @Reg that that is the most natural way to say it.

Right. I must be off now, to retrieve my children.

Matt Эллен

Mahnax

@cornbreadninja I'm going to get a really shoddy mark on this project but I am OK with that.

As long as it's more than 50%.

Gotta run, bye!

Matt Эллен

19:47

it first said 2,000,000, then I went to page 10 and it more than doubled

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@MattЭллен oh come on.

Your Internet is bigger to celebrate the Queen.

Matt Эллен

:D

I don't think Google hits is the best way to rank things, anyway. a lot of it is just people being wrong.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Well yeah. But people are wrong about everything which is why it still makes sense to look at the figures and compare them.

Cerberus

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

And of course you are welcome to post a BNC/COCA answer.

Cerberus

19:50

I get this, somehow.

No search.

No idea what this means.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@Cerberus how do you mean? I do see a search bar at the top.

Matt Эллен

Well, it's got you pegged :D "not ready for change". probably noticed your'e still running XP

Cerberus

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 I clicked on the OP's link.

I get 122k results at first, like you, but this later changes into 295k:

Matt Эллен

I guess europeans are less prone to search for these things

Cerberus

This changed from 4.4M to 10.9M.

Matt Эллен

19:53

weird how where you are defines what results you get

well, not that weird

Cerberus

No I think it's just what page you are on.

Matt Эллен

but I would want a quoted phrase to give the same results regardless of location

@Cerberus we all clicked the same link - we should all be on the same page, but you and reg get 10x fewer results

Cerberus

Matt Эллен

but your "along the road to success" is 10x fewer

Cerberus

Yes, odd.

The other results align with yours, but not this one.

Perhaps we are on different CDNs?

@MattЭллен I can't click the link, it doesn't work.

Matt Эллен

19:57

yeah, probably something like that

@Cerberus ah

Cerberus

I searched it myself.

Matt Эллен

well done!

Cerberus

Perhaps he has some weird option set in his link?

@MattЭллен Thanks!!

google.com/…

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus that messes searches up for the Netherlands?

Cerberus

What happens if you click mah link?

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

19:57

@Cerberus you mean Americans are by default on page 5? And the Brits land on page 3?

Cerberus

@MattЭллен Yes...?

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 I mean that the number of hits depend son which page you are on in the results, see above.

The number often increases or decreases a thousandfold between the first and the fifth page.

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus I get the results

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@Cerberus yes, I got that. I'm asking a follow-up question.

Cerberus

@MattЭллен 295k?

Matt Эллен

oh! yes

Cerberus

19:59

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 I have no idea what you mean, so I just repeated my own stuff.

@MattЭллен So it is the link, not your IP.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

May 21 at 19:32, by RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@Cerberus I can't even parse that, so I'll just disagree.

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus odd, it must be something to do with the ei parameter

Cerberus

See, it triggers a different default process on this side of the Rhine.

@MattЭллен I see...

That commercial is very funny, btw. Typical of the British tabloids.

Matt Эллен

Yeah, it makes me a little sick, but I laughed too

but then I'm not a sun reader, so it's fine :D

Mitch

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 that question is totally idiotic....except the best answer of the two choices given must be 'along'.

But answering that way is misleading.

But not answering 'along' is not answering the question as stated.

the answer is not 'across', but it's not about English but about whether you drive mostly or walk.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

20:10

@Mitch well no one prevents you from answering the question as stated and then adding your two cents.

In fact, that's what we do all the time, no?

Mitch

You gave my two cents already.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

In a comment, yes.

Mitch

So I came here to rant instead.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Well sorry but I took the liberty of ranting myself as well.

So nothing left for you to do.

Mitch

I am going to rant about that now.

which will solve the problem.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

20:13

Fine! You want me to rant about something else? FINE!!

In Fran Drescher's voice.

Mitch

That's hot!

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

I said voice.

Mitch

sizzlin?

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Fo sizzle.

Oh, and can someone retag that question? I'm too lazy. Besides, I'm playing Paladog.

Get rid of the rap tag.

0

A: Meaning and origin of "That dog don't hunt"

Its the Red neck version of deep Confucius wisdom.

Mitch

20:31

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 what 'rap' tag? the across/along has the idiotic^H^H^H^H^H^H^Huninformative 'word' tag though

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

20:41

Word is very rappy. You have no idea, no idea.

Robusto

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 You misspelled crappy.

Cerberus

@MrShinyandNew: Another example: I used this screensaver that shows a slideshow of images in certain folders, with a nice colour-fade effect. Now it appear this was a trial version, and they want me to pay $20.

Who would ever buy a program like that for $20?

If it had been € 2, and there had been an easy Paypal link, I might have bought it.

Matt Эллен

20:58

@Cerberus doesn't the default screensaver work like that?

by default, I mean MS supplied ones

Cerberus

@MattЭллен Yes, there is something like that, but it doesn't have many features.

No keys to pause, go back one image, and such.

Matt Эллен

I see. but it's a screen saver. if you want a slide show, surely you'd use the slideshow feature of the picture previewer?

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@Robusto you must know, as the word expert of this chat.

May 9 at 15:55, by Robusto

Word.

Cerberus

@MattЭллен But I want it as a screensaver.

Matt Эллен

fair enough.

Cerberus

21:15

Thanks!

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