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user19161
12:03 AM
@DavidWallace Yes, take your son to see the sun and then have a sundae.
 
12:25 AM
@Cerberus: Mondo cane, mos' def.
 
@Robusto The world is not mine, alas, or I would banish all doggery from it.
But what is mos' def?
 
What about doggerel?
 
That I am.
 
@Cerberus "most definitely."
 
Ah.
How is your knee?
I hope you're not too cynical about it.
 
12:31 AM
Haha, cynical. No, I'm skeptical.
The knee is recovering nicely, tyvm.
 
Glad you got it, and glad it's recovering.
 
Thanks.
 
How much do you use it?
 
My knee?
 
Yes?
 
12:33 AM
I use it all the time.
 
I presume you walk short distances?
Ah.
 
Yeah. I've graduated to walking around the block on crutches. Tomorrow I find if I can do the stationary bike.
 
Hmm that would put some strain on your knee?
 
The issue is flexion/extension.
 
At least it's not the kind of blows it would have to endure from running...
 
12:36 AM
No. My running days are over, sadly.
 
Hmm.
In a way, I wish I had an excuse like that.
 
Running feels good.
 
By the way, my spelling corrector changed cecuse into Ceausescu.
@Robusto Oh, not to me, but OK.
 
@Cerberus Weird.
 
Yeah, I think it could think of nothing else.
Oh, it also has recuse.
 
12:39 AM
And as we all know, recuse anagrams to secure.
 
I didn't know that.
 
@Robusto I don't believe it!
 
Try it yourself!
 
12:54 AM
Nahhh it can't be true.
I'm not trying to hit the moon with a rock either.
 
moon => mono, rock => cork
 
Now you're just messing with us.
I don't see how the moon could be bigger than or equal to mono, since the latter spans the world.
 
I always thought that if you were going to verb "anagram", the result would be transitive.
 
Hmmm.
Why should anagram verb transitively?
 
As in, Robusto can anagram "recuse" to "secure". But to say "recuse" anagrams into something just sounds weird to me.
@Cerberus LOL.
 
1:05 AM
Heh.
I'm glad people get me today.
Not that I don't get you.
 
Yeah, a bit slowly though, sorry.
 
Nah.
 
You don't have my 100% attention.
 
That's OK, and you weren't even slow.
 
My wife and son are both at home, as it is a public holiday and we have no plans.
 
1:06 AM
Oh, what kind of holiday?
 
Oh, it's "Queen's Birthday", only it isn't really. Try explaining that to an 11-year-old.
 
Oh, is that today?
Just tell him the Queen is everybody's boss, and she became your boss on this day 60 years ago?
I actually thought it was yesterday.
 
No, this isn't the anniversary of her accession. I think that WAS yesterday.
NZ law is that the birthday of the reigning monarch is celebrated with a public holiday on the first Monday in June. It predates Elizabeth. It's only co-incidence that it sometimes falls on the anniversary of her accession.
Whoops, her accession was 6 February. Her coronation was 2 June, 59 years ago.
So I was out by one day, as well as being out by one year.
And had the wrong thing. Couldn't have done much worse, really.
 
Ah I see.
But ehm why 59 years?
Hmm I see.
So the current week is a bit arbitrary?
She did look pretty.
Still does.
 
Yeah, I don't know how long that's been NZ law.
 
1:16 AM
Perhaps current happenings are based on the NZ custom?
It is better weather in England, after all.
 
2:13 AM
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Q: what is the meaning of "might sound"?

user1334247I can not understand this sentence and how it differ from may sond. OK, well, the shack - not as horrible as it might sound. I was actually born in the city, and yeah, grew up on the edge of the city of Glasgow, and my parents ... Can any one explain it?

ELU Lite.
Or a rubbish bin.
 
 
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5:29 AM
Yay! I have finished my Safari extension that makes this chat look all blue.
 
I remember the days when, if you wanted your screen to go all blue, all you had to do was use Windows and wait for a while.
 
Ah, those were the days.
Not sure how I feel about this.
 
I dislike the font. Also, black on a pale coloured background is easier to read than white on a dark colour.
 
Yes, I know.
The font is Times New Roman.
I just wanted some dark blue for a change.
 
... which is an appropriate font for print, but much less attractive at a small point size on a screen.
 
5:37 AM
I will switch back soon.
I have switched back.
That is so much nicer.
 
user19161
5:57 AM
@Mahnax You get that font on a Mac out of the box?
 
@ClarkKent Yes.
 
user19161
@Mahnax I use Times New Roman for serif, Arial for sans and Courier New for monospaced. The free equivalents on Linux are Liberation Serif, Liberation Sans and Liberation Mono respectively. They are distinct but metric compatible, meaning they occupy the same space as their counterparts.
 
@ClarkKent Oh, that is interesting.
 
user19161
@Mahnax Yes, everything I say is interesting.
 
@ClarkKent Is that so?
 
user19161
6:04 AM
@Mahnax Another point to note is that if you are using Linux it is very hard to get those three Microsoft fonts unless you are using a Debian-based distro.
 
@ClarkKent Hm, one would think that they would be more readily available.
 
user19161
@Mahnax Depending on the exact distro, one would need to install various packages, download a font specification file, build the font package, and then install the font package. On Debian-based distros all this is done for you in a single package.
 
@ClarkKent Well, that certainly sounds more convenient.
 
user19161
@Mahnax That package is called ttf-mscorefonts-installer. If you ever use Debian or Ubuntu I can guide you.
 
@ClarkKent I might, at some point.
I think Google should make an OS.
 
user19161
6:07 AM
@Mahnax They have. It's called Google Chrome OS.
 
A full OS, not just the Chrome OS.
 
user19161
They might at some point in the future. I am waiting for them to add the features I want in Google Chrome browser first.
 
What are those?
 
user19161
@Mahnax To launch in incognito mode by checking a button in the settings, rather than using the --incognito flag and modifying the launcher icon specification.
 
@ClarkKent Oh, that.
 
user19161
6:10 AM
@Mahnax Also, to finally add the flash plugin for 64-bit. They will probably do that later this year.
 
user19161
That means Chrome users don't need to download flash from Adobe.
 
Hi.
 
user19161
Adobe also recommends Chrome users to use the native Chrome plugin.
 
@Gigili Hello!
 
Hi.
 
6:13 AM
How are you this evening?
 
Hi?
Not bad, how are you?
 
Uh…
 
user19161
Wow, all of you are becoming so funny, like me.
 
@Gigili Oh, quite good!
I had work today, and it went well.
 
Good.
 
user19161
6:15 AM
Iligig reads quite well too.
 
user19161
So does Xanham.
 
Good to know. Extremely useful.
 
user19161
@Robusto Yes, it sends chemicals through your brain, like drugs.
 
user19161
@mahnax So you were having tea outside that night?
 
@ClarkKent Yes, at around midnight.
 
user19161
6:23 AM
@Mahnax Were you sitting alone pondering the universe?
 
@ClarkKent Sitting alone, yes. I wasn't really pondering anything.
I felt very odd that night.
I wanted to do everything and nothing.
I was very excited, but in a quiet way.
It was a very strange sensation.
 
Oh, I know the feeling.
I'm always like that.
 
user19161
It is a good feeling.
 
user19161
I am happy for both of you.
 
I don't feel like that very often.
 
6:26 AM
OK.
 
I enjoyed it, though.
 
@Gigili very strange?
 
@DavidWallace What is?
 
How you always are? I thought you were referring to Mahnie's "very strange" sensation.
 
Yes, I was referring to it.
I didn't find it very strange, rather annoying.
 
user19161
6:28 AM
@DavidWallace New nick.
 
user19161
You must be Davie then.
 
@DavidWallace chortles
Mahnie? Really?
 
user19161
@Mahnax Sounds like Hiny.
 
@ClarkKent A little.
 
@ClarkKent I used to have a flatmate who called me that. Extremely annoying.
 
user19161
6:31 AM
@DavidWallace The only place I have heard that is Davie Jones in Pirates of the Carribean.
 
user19161
Ooh, two more days to change my username again, I'm so excited.
 
Yeah, well that particular flatmate was a moron.
 
@DavidWallace According to little anecdotes I see on the internet, many are.
 
I have been awfully unlucky with flatmates. I eventually decided that living alone was best.
Until I got married, of course.
 
7:00 AM
@Gigili Go report this answer: travel.stackexchange.com/a/7454/1588
 
@Meysamرهادربند Why?
It's a long answer!
 
@Gigili For giving out wrong information
 
Oh?
Let me read it then.
 
I flagged it.
The part about Iranians and Arabs is nonsense.
 
user19161
7:22 AM
@Gigili Really? How so?
 
8:22 AM
@Kit: This made me think of you
@Cerberus Very English? Perhaps. I guess most of the celebrations will be in England. The Jubilee holiday is tomorrow.
 
9:12 AM
@ClarkKent Umm, I guess it's just the answerer's opinion or something.
 
TDS
9:38 AM
Hello, anyone here?
 
user19161
@MattЭллен Have you associated her with all kittens already? Geezis.
 
TDS
10:05 AM
I am wondering for the immigration to USA or Canada.
While searching I got to know one can migrate there by giving GRE and Tofel or ILETS on study VISA.
Any suggestions?
 
10:55 AM
It depends on university and study field.
 
TDS
@Foxinsocks I am planning for MS in Project Management, as I am Mobile Application Development and recently I have been promoted as Team Leader. Now planning for Masters in Project Management but still confused which course, country etc. should I opt.
I have chosen UK earlier but there are less IT jobs so left it, then thought to get into Canada there are also less jobs in IT at last I set my mind for US as there are jobs of IT industry.
 
@TDS First of all I think you should choose country.
 
TDS
Now mind has been set for US.
What next?
 
@MattЭллен Hahaha. Thanks. Cheers up my morning.
 
TDS
Main things GRE consist Mathematics and Toefl and ILETS consist of English (Reading, Speaking, Writing and Listening).
Firstly, I want to know about books or guidance for the GRE and Toefll.
 
11:05 AM
Then choose universities. There a lot of sites which contain information about admissions, deadlines, documents and etc. For exampl mastersportal.eu
 
TDS
There is deadline Sept. 2012.
 
In all universities of the USA?
 
TDS
I got to know there are two session for admissions first is Sept and second January.
I found Stanford but as it is among top universities. I don't think so I would get admission there.
 
Don't think, send documents everywhere :)
 
TDS
Before all I need to score good in GRE and Toefl, what say?
 
11:16 AM
Actually, there are no good or bad IELTS/GRE score. It depends on results of all applicants. Moreover, some universities allow to send GRE and language certificate after deadlines.
 
TDS
They might allow, but I don't want to miss guidelines intentionally. One more thing what is difference between Score and Result?
 
hmm, it's the same. After passing IELTS exam you get result. You can send it via post or email. It contains scores: reading, wrinting and listening. Maximum is 10. The minimum for IT programs is about 6.0 points.
 
TDS
Yes, they are asking for 6.5.
 
12:00 PM
Hello
 
How are you?
 
TDS
Fine.
and you?
 
Me too, thanks
 
Hey! She asked me! :)
 
12:04 PM
:D
 
TDS
@Monica Are you familiar with immigration process on study Visa?
 
Let me wish you good luck on this first
 
TDS
@Foxinsocks Nvm ;) He is fine too @Monica :)
 
No, I am not
 
TDS
Thanks for your good wishes.
 
12:04 PM
@TDS You have to be accepted into an accredited program of study.
 
I hope I will have to deal with it soon
 
In order to obtain a study visa.
 
TDS
I am flummoxed.
 
Why?
 
TDS
I don't have vision or what are the steps to reach doing research on it.
 
12:07 PM
Is it possible to call a bag like this one a pocket? northernsun.com/Canvas-Bag-Unprinted-%282031%29.html
 
TDS
Bag? Why is it required?
 
1. Apply for a program at a school in the US.
2. Get accepted.
3. Get help getting a visa from their International Studies office.
 
:D
No, it is not
 
@Monica No. I'd call it a bag or a tote.
Or a tote bag.
 
I see
TDS, the whole process may seem complicated, but don't worry
 
TDS
12:09 PM
0. First to prepare for the GRE and Toefl to get score then only I can get admission and I don't have time to prepare for it as I work 9 to 9.
 
You can't get a student visa unless you are accepted to a program where you will earn academic credit.
 
TDS
That all are post activities, first to get in I need to score good and for that I need to study which is difficult (planning for this Sept.).
 
You might want to take an advanced English course first.
You will never be able to apply for this September.
That's not even enough time to get your student visa.
And you haven't taken your tests yet.
Or applied for that matter.
Think about September 2013 instead.
 
TDS
But I'd consulted to one of consultant about sept. 2012.
 
I am 25 and I have been told that it's too late for me to apply for a program
 
TDS
12:12 PM
Don't say like that.
 
:O
 
@Monica Nonsense. Which program?
 
TDS
I am also 25 and applying for MS in project management.
 
I wanted to study either art history or psychology
I was so upset
 
TDS
What are your education qualifications?
 
12:14 PM
@Monica Oh. You mean you missed the deadline for fall admission.
 
TDS
I did Engineering in Electronics and Communication.
So, what make sense of 25 years old?
 
I have a bachelor in linguistics
 
TDS
There is Bachelors in linguistics? where from DU?
 
No, I didn't miss them. I was supposed to be in the US last year
 
TDS
I didn't heard there are courses for linguistics also.
 
12:16 PM
Where did you think linguists come from?
 
TDS
I dunno.
@Monica You did it from India?
 
India?
No, why?
 
TDS
By your name, it sounds like you are from there.
Where are you from?
 
Somebody's never watched Friends!
 
What about Monica Bellucci?
I am from Georgia
 
TDS
12:20 PM
Italian actress ?
Cool :)
 
not in the US state unfortunately
 
TDS
@DavidWallace Season 10?
 
Any season.
 
TDS
No.
 
Do you use 'a' before the word sightseeing?
 
TDS
12:23 PM
Is that for me?
 
@Monica No.
 
Aren't you a native speaker?
 
Unless you're using it as an adjective.
 
I went sightseeing yesterday.
 
You can say "we went on a sightseeing trip".
 
12:24 PM
because it is an uncountable word
 
I took a sightseeing trip to Hong Kong.
 
You can't say "we went on a sightseeing".
 
I have been told once that sometimes an indefinite article is used before uncountable words when they are defined in some way
 
I can't imagine that being the case.
 
Then the person who said that must be wrong
 
12:29 PM
Either that or I'm wrong. But I'm struggling to think of an example.
 
I will try to find the post in which it was written
 
TDS
Now what is the conclusion, can we using a in front of sightseeing?
 
I found it
Hello,

If the word 'mush' is uncountabe why is it used with an indefinite article?

'The ground was a mush of wet leaves.'

Thanks
When such words are described or defined in some way, they are commonly treated as countable.

eg She found happiness.
eg she found a happiness that she had never expected. . And her sister also found a surprising happiness.

eg The bowl was full of mush,
eg The bowl was full of a brown mush.. But the other bowl was full of a green mush.
 
I see. Those are good examples.
But you still wouldn't use sightseeing that way.
Those are nouns.
Sightseeing is a verb or an adjective.
 
So it depends on each word
 
12:34 PM
Sightseeing can be a noun. But never a count noun.
 
A noun? How so?
 
My dictionary says it's a noun
 
Well, my grammars aren't what they used to be. I haven't studied English grammar in twenty-odd years.
I would have classified it as a verb or an adjective. Not as a noun.
 
You are lucky. You don't have to
 
It is not a person, place, or thing. I don't really see how it is a noun.
It is an action. That means verb.
But I'm sure your dictionary has it right.
 
12:37 PM
@KitFox Please don't.
 
So it is just my simplistic knowledge of grammar.
What I learned when I was ten.
And haven't really cared about since.
@Vitaly Good morning, lovey.
I am very cross and irritable today.
We could argue if you like.
I am quite irascible.
 
@KitFox I enjoyed my sightseeing last time I visited Europe. Noun.
 
I wanted to ask about this sentence too: A children's choir/chorus sing or sings tonight
 
and I think whether it can be a verb probably varies with region. I would never say "I want to sightsee" or "I sightsaw".
 
My dictioanary says both words are used with a singular or plural verb
 
12:42 PM
@Monica Yeah, you'll always get a few grammar pedants saying it should be "sings". But either is really OK.
 
Is my example correct
 
Yeah well, for the sake of clarification, you cannot derive what part-of-speech category a word belongs from its meaning. There are at least two very good reasons. First, a word can change its part of speech depending upon where it appears in a sentence:

(1) The spider's mother wove a web.
(2) The spider's mother tongue is Spiderese.
(3) Spiders mother attractive offspring.
 
@Vitaly You've clearly given this matter far too much thought.
 
What about this sentence; Do you joke yourself?
 
Umm, grammatical at a pinch. Sounds quite unnatural though.
 
12:44 PM
The context was something like this: You don't like jokes? Why?
 
Second, I imagine that you would be very hard-pressed to tell what the following words mean:

(1) The yinnish quipner blonked quartitecally into the vindin.
 
Is this English? :D
 
Sure, but the initial impression is that the nouns are quipner and vindin.
 
difficult words
 
@Monica Vitaly is not a native speaker :-)
 
12:46 PM
@KitFox And third, in The destruction of the spiderweb was blah-blah “destruction” is clearly an action by semantic criteria, but everyone would still identify it as a noun.
 
In any case, I must away to the land of Nod. Fare ye all well till another occasion.
 
Oh, I love English so much. I can discuss it all day long
 
@DavidWallace Exactly. And that is why deriving a word's part of speech from its meaning (action, place, etc), makes absolutely no sense whatsoever.
You can only use distributional and morphological criteria to figure out the word's part of speech.
 
Yes, but none of that makes any difference/sense to a ten-year-old.
 
The OED has sight-seeing as a noun:
The action or occupation of seeing sights.
1824 R. Heber Jrnl. 21 Oct. in Narr. Journey Upper Provinces India (1828) I. xv. 380 Morning rides, evening sight-seeing.
1847 F. A. Kemble Rec. Later Life III. 250 It involves what I have no taste for—i.e., sightseeing.
1883 F. M. Peard Contradictions xiv, The duke escaped the sight-seeing which bored him.
In the same way that "to run" is a verb but "the running" is a noun
 
12:49 PM
And today I don't care why you would classify words in any fashion at all. defenestrates grammars
And anyway it doesn't matter because you still wouldn't put "a" in front of sightseeing.
Unless you were so intimate with the English language that you could do sordid things to it without its complaint.
So there.
Nyah.
folds arms and pouts
 
But I don't think people use it to refer to instances of sight-seeing: "There was a sight-seeing yesterday" may be grammatically correct for the noun use of the word, but everybody uses it as a "noun serving as an adjective" sense.
@KitFox Hey, I agree with you. sight-seeing is used like an adjective.
But it's still a noun
Probably because we don't say "I sight-saw" or "I will sight-see"
BTW interesting article about an experiment which showed that the subjects exhibited fewer cognitive biases when a problem was presented to them in their non-native language : blogs.discovermagazine.com/crux/2012/05/30/…
 
I noticed that sometimes adding ' myself' 'yourself' etc to a verb sounds unnatural?
Did you write it yourself?
 
sounds fine.
 
@Monica That sounds fine
 
Do you joke yourself myprevious example
 
12:55 PM
It's intensifying "Did you write it?"
 
When does it sound unnatural then?
 
I myself wouldn't say it that way.
 
@Monica "Do you joke yourself" doesn't sound fine to me because I'm not used to seeing "joke" as a verb and I'm not sure what it means
 
Are you joking?
 
Not because it's not grammatical (it is perfectly grammatical and sounds fine) but in that context it is condescending. Like you're talking to a 5-year-old who you're unsure if they can actually write. (that's the pragmatic perception)
 
12:57 PM
adding "yourself" to a question like "did you write it" makes it seem as if you're questioning that the person did that on their own, without help.
 
'joke' might be a verb but you usually don't use the simple present. much more common to use the present progressive.
 
I joked that you'd never use joke that way.
 
You -can- say 'I read the newspaper', but you are infinitely more lokely to say 'I am reading the newspaper'
 
What? But I read the newspaper every day!
 
@KitFox: You're joking, right?
 
12:58 PM
I joked when I said... is used,right?
 
Is that a joke?
 
@Mitch Yeah. Who the hell reads print these days?
 
Sorry...most of theese should be in quotes!
exactly.
 
@KitFox Hm, true... But that's an intransitive verb: to tell a joke. Not a transitive verb "you joked yourself"... "Do you joke yourself" I guess I would take to mean "Do you play jokes on yourself"
 
@Monica "I was joking when I said"
 

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