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Matt Эллен

16:00

git pull?

or node build.js

KitFox

I have to get to where git is first.

Oh, pretty terminal!

Matt Эллен

git should be runnable from anywhere now

also, yeah, you should get the git bash menu item

when you right click on a folder

KitFox

Oh. Wish I'd know that before I navigated there.

Oh! It did something!

All files added.

Matt Эллен

yay!

KitFox

It couldn't find 'uglify-js2' when it tried to minify.

What do I do next?

Matt Эллен

16:04

yeah. I got that too. I can't figure out how to fix it

run git status

KitFox

Probably install it.

It's a minifier, I would assume.

Matt Эллен

yeah, I tried, but that gave me more errors

JSBձոգչ

@KitFox it always tells me that, and doesn't matter

KitFox

Oh.

JSBձոգչ

i just ignore it

KitFox

16:05

I figured it wasn't important.

JSBձոգչ

you can build and do everything without that

KitFox

Since that file hasn't been updated in a long time.

OK, so I have changes, no changes added to commit.

Does git commit -a commit all changes?

Matt Эллен

have you run git add .?

KitFox

Will that add them all? Or do I have to do one at a time?

Matt Эллен

that will add them all, but apparently git commit -a does the same

KitFox

16:07

Will that commit at the same time, i.e., should I have a commit message in there somewhere?

Do you want me to just go read stuff, or do mind if I keep asking instead?

Matt Эллен

it will load a text editor for you to enter a message. I'm not sure whatthe default is

but if you do git commit -a -m "message" then you won't load an editor

KitFox

omg, it reminds me of the old vax email interface from college.

Matt Эллен

@KitFox you can keep asking :D

KitFox

That's a hella short message. edits

Um. How do I make it go?

Matt Эллен

make what go?

KitFox

16:13

I wrote the message, but I don't know what to do next.

I must be thick.

Matt Эллен

in the editor? save and exit

(not save as, there's a preset filename)

KitFox

I don't see how to do that.

Matt Эллен

what does the screen look like?

I don't know what editor it's loaded

KitFox

VIM

Matt Эллен

ah then I think push esc a few times then :w then :q

KitFox

16:16

wtf? That was stupid.

Matt Эллен

what happened?

KitFox

It worked, but not exactly intuitive.

Matt Эллен

oh, yeah, that's VIM. I dpn't really know how to use it. my boss swears by it

KitFox

So now what?

JSBձոգչ

i lurve VIM

Matt Эллен

16:17

I <3 emacs

KitFox

That committed it locally, and now I push?

JSBձոգչ

the quicker way to exit is to do <ESC>ZZ

Matt Эллен

@KitFox well you've commited your change

@KitFox yes

KitFox

git push origin?

Matt Эллен

git push origin master

KitFox

16:18

I'm guessing.

OK.

At least I was close.

JSBձոգչ

@MattЭллен what is the "master" for?

Matt Эллен

:D yup

JSBձոգչ

i've just been doing origin

Matt Эллен

@JSBձոգչ that's the branch

oh, maybe master is used by default

git always tells me off if I forget it

JSBձոգչ

@KitFox note that when you use publi.sh it handles the whole commit+message+push thing for you

KitFox

16:19

Authentication failed.

JSBձոգչ

master is used by default

@KitFox you'll need to give it your github username and password

Matt Эллен

I guess I need to update git!

KitFox

makes cute wrinkly nosed faced, trying to remember password

Damn it.

Oh!

!!refresh

!!hi

KitSox

@KitFox What up?

KitFox

Yay!

Matt Эллен

16:21

:D

KitFox

does a little dance

giggles maniacally

Matt Эллен

awww

KitFox

@JSBձոգչ I still have to build first, right? Well, if I want to use the changes.

JSBձոգչ

@KitFox publi.sh also builds for you

it does everything

it's like jesus

KitFox

So node build.js, then publi.sh "Commit message"

Oh. So just that then.

Jesus couldn't have babies.

Just saying.

JSBձոգչ

16:23

@KitFox neither does publi.sh

KitFox

Will it turn my coffee into coffee with wine in it?

JSBձոգչ

@KitFox i haven't tried that command

Matt Эллен

!!coffee with wine in it

KitSox

@MattЭллен Could not process input. Error: reserved word "with" on line 8

KitFox

So. @Matt. Maybe you want a piece of the bot?

Matt Эллен

16:25

a piece of it?

KitFox

You know. You could contribute.

More than just answering my incessant questions.

@Matt. Where's the button?

Matt Эллен

oh! Is there a bit you'd like me to write?

KitFox

@Matt. How did I break it?

@Matt. What's a semi-colon?

Matt Эллен

:D I like that too

JSBձոգչ

!!color f60 000 Boo!

KitSox

16:26

@JSBձոգչ dummyimage.com/150/f60/000.png&text=boo

KitFox

There's lots that doesn't work wonderfully well.

JSBձոգչ

it works!

!!color f60 000

KitSox

Matt Эллен

!!color goldenrod

KitSox

KitFox

16:27

It doesn't auto-expand because of the query string.

JSBձոգչ

KitSox only understands hex colors

KitFox

We could change that, I bet.

Matt Эллен

!!color deadbe

KitSox

JSBձոգչ

@KitFox somebody mentioned jquery.color

Matt Эллен

16:28

!!color bedead

KitSox

KitFox

@JSBձոգչ That would be @Mr.Shiny.

JSBձոգչ

which would require us to add that plugin to the source, but it should be fine

anyway, i'm not going to do that now

!!help color

KitSox

@JSBձոգչ color: Displays a color square for the hex color(s) passed in, with optional text. /color backgroundColor [foregroundColor] [text]

JSBձոգչ

(note that I added the third param)

KitFox

16:29

I saw.

It's too bad it won't autoexpand.

tchrist

@JSBձոգչ How do you make it do HSV or HSL instead? That's easier for testing stuff than RGB.

KitFox

!!color deadbe bedead

KitSox

KitFox

Wow, vomit.

Matt Эллен

!!color beaded

KitSox

16:32

KitFox

@Matt are you on github?

JSBձոգչ

@tchrist too much work

Matt Эллен

@KitFox aye

KitFox

What's your handle?

Matt Эллен

github.com/mellen

KitFox

16:33

Oh, of course.

JSBձոգչ

right now the color command is utterly stupid. it just takes the arguments you give it and forwards them to dummyimage.com

making it do anything more sophisticated requires that i either parse the color expression myself and convert it to hex, or convince dummyimage.com to do it for me

the latter is probably not going to happen

the former is probably not very hard, but as mentioned requires work

KitFox

@MattЭллен There. You are on as a collaborator now.

Matt Эллен

:O

ace!

Mitch

@JSBձոգչ It's value added. Taking arguments is real work.

KitFox

lunchtime.

!!afk

KitSox

16:35

@KitFox Can you pick up some milk on your way back?

Mitch

Bring enough for everybody.

MετάEd

!!color b0d1ce

KitSox

MετάEd

I always wondered.

Mitch

You can't just take a peek?

Matt Эллен

16:37

!!color acebed

KitSox

Mitch

!!color facade

I love this game!

Matt Эллен

!!color c00ped

KitSox

Mitch

!!color deface

KitSox

16:38

Mitch

!!color sesquipedalian

KitSox

JSBձոգչ

!!color def ace

KitSox

Mitch

Figures.

Matt Эллен

16:39

Colours.

KitSox

JSBձոգչ

!!color fade away

KitSox

JSBձոգչ

!!color f00d face

Matt Эллен

!!color bad dad

KitSox

16:40

JSBձոգչ

@KitSox hey, it's mcdonalds' colors

how convenient

Matt Эллен

:D

KitSox

@Mitch dummyimage.com/150/f00d/f06.png&text=f9

Mitch

!!color f00d f06 f9

!!color f00df06f9

KitSox

Matt Эллен

16:42

!!color ab0de5

JSBձոգչ

!!color bad f00d

KitSox

Mitch

Nice. are we making avatars out of these?

JSBձոգչ

@KitSox yeah, that is about the color of bad food

Mitch

@JSBձոգչ that does look like bad food.

!!jinx

KitSox

16:42

@Mitch That didn't make much sense. Use the help command to learn more.

JSBձոգչ

omitting the second A changes the color a lot

Mitch

!!coke

KitSox

@Mitch That didn't make much sense. Use the help command to learn more.

Mitch

Stop expecting sense!

JSBձոգչ

okay, so we should add a jinx command

Matt Эллен

16:43

!!color c0cac0

Mitch

!! !!

KitSox

@Mitch That didn't make much sense. Use the help command to learn more.

Matt Эллен

!!color b100d

KitSox

Matt Эллен

ah, that's better :D

!!color b0661e

KitSox

16:46

Matt Эллен

!!color 18g8b8

KitSox

JSBձոգչ

she seems to be repeating herself

!!refresh

KitSox

@JSBձոգչ You do not have permission to use the command refresh

JSBձոգչ

!!tell KitFox refresh

KitSox

16:47

@JSBձոգչ You do not have permission to use command refresh

JSBձոգչ

!!tell KitFox welcome

KitSox

@JSBձոգչ Command hi does not exist.

@KitFox Welcome to the JavaScript chat! Please review the room pseudo-rules. Please don't ask if you can ask or if anyone's around; just ask your question, and if anyone's free and interested they'll help.

Matt Эллен

!!color DA221E

KitSox

Matt Эллен

anyway, I should be going

KitFox

16:52

But I just got back!

KitSox

@KitFox Where's the milk?

KitFox

Right here.

KitSox

Thanks.

JSBձոգչ

@KitFox can you refresh for me?

KitFox

!!refresh

JSBձոգչ

16:53

KitSox should say something after she refreshes

KitFox

The old version had a jinx command, but it wasn't very exciting.

JSBձոգչ

as a sanity check that she's still working

KitFox

OK. I'll do it.

!!refresh

Shit.

JSBձոգչ

did you rebuild?

(i assume you made the change in source/commands.js, after which you should rebuild)

Anonymous

Is there any word/category to describe the origin/nature of words that finish with certain pattern and characters like:
...ize, ..tion, ..ism, ...rian

I for one, know (*think*) that (...)ism is usually used in some sort of idealogical and systematical context, as in Communism, Mormonism, Darwinism

So, I'm trying to make sense of the exact usage/origin of these words.

KitFox

16:56

@JSBձոգչ I thought you said publi.sh did everything.

JSBձոգչ

it should

KitFox

It did.

I must not have written the right thing.

I used a return statement.

JSBձոգչ

evidently not

which is also what i would have done

in fact your fix is almost identical to mine

reloading the page probably reloads the bot

KitFox

So...I must have to post a message explicitly?

When the bot loads?

JSBձոգչ

actually, i'll bet that nothing after the window.location.reload() will actually happen

since the reload restarts the bot

(i'm speculating here, but it makes sense)

KitFox

16:59

That's what I was just thinking.

JSBձոգչ

basically what the bot needs is a startup message

something it posts as soon as it connects

KitFox

That's also what I was thinking.

JSBձոգչ

of too meeting

!!afk

KitSox

@JSBձոգչ Just go already!

KitFox

@JSBձոգչ I'll see what I can figure out.

KitSox

17:01

@KitFox JSBձոգչ is afk.

KitFox

Yes, and I am eating salad.

Anonymous

7 mins ago, by Simon _eQ

Is there any word/category to describe the origin/nature of words that finish with certain pattern and characters like:
...ize, ..tion, ..ism, ...rian

I for one, know (*think*) that (...)ism is usually used in some sort of idealogical and systematical context, as in Communism, Mormonism, Darwinism

So, I'm trying to make sense of the exact usage/origin of these words.

Anonymous

@all Please throw me a bone

KitFox

Oh, I didn't see the question there.

-ize would verbify a noun.

-tion is a nominal suffix, so it would nominalize a verb.

-ism, sure, seems about right.

-ian would be a person or thing that follows or is part of an -ism context

Roughly. I guess.

Although more likely a thing. I think -ist is more likely to be the personification of the -ism.

Anonymous

@KitFox Oh, thanks. Didn't know a thing on this subject. Is there any reference to learn more about these? Because, I can't seem to find anything that mentioned what you just said.

KitFox

17:08

quantum, quantize, quantification, quantificationism, quantificationist, quantificarian.

@Simon_eQ I don't know, but probably @Cerb would have some ideas.

You might check etymonline or a big dictionary for those suffixes.

JSBձոգչ

xagk

KitSox

@JSBձոգչ Oh, it's you again...

JSBձոգչ

@KitSox you always make me feel so loved

Anonymous

@KitSox thanks, will have a look

KitFox

@JSBձոգչ Here try pinging me while I'm afk. I want to see what this does.

!!afk smoke

KitSox

17:15

@KitFox Why are you leaving me!?

JSBձոգչ

@KitFox where have you gone?

KitSox

@JSBձոգչ KitFox is afk: smoke

KitFox

OK. So it sets a message.

KitSox

@KitFox Where were you!?

JSBձոգչ

@KitSox smoking, obvs

Cerberus

17:17

@Simon_eQ The Oxford Dictionaries have some definitions for some suffixes: oxforddictionaries.com/definition/english/--ize

KitFox

!!refresh

KitSox

@KitFox yawns

KitFox

Uh.

That's not what I...

Cerberus

@Simon_eQ Keep in mind that many suffix have multiple meanings, and some are just very vague, not much more than "a word derived from another word".

KitFox

Shit.

!!refresh

KitSox

17:24

@KitFox yawns

KitFox

OK, I think I removed the prohibition on refresh. So can someone else try refreshing her?

MετάEd

!!refresh

KitSox

@MετάEd yawns

KitFox

applauds

MετάEd

!!bow

KitSox

17:25

@MετάEd That didn't make much sense. Use the help command to learn more.

KitFox

Thanks, @MετάEd.

Look! I'm using git!

MετάEd

should I have tried !!curtsey?

@KitFox Yeah. Silly git. :-)

KitFox

hee hee

MετάEd

!!color facade

KitSox

MετάEd

17:28

!!color decaff

KitSox

KitFox

!!color decade

KitSox

MετάEd

!!color accede

KitSox

MετάEd

17:39

!!color deface

KitSox

JSBձոգչ

!!color c0ffee

KitSox

JSBձոգչ

that's not what coffee looks like!

KitFox

@JSBձոգչ Oh, did you see I fixed the refresh?

You can do it now.

JSBձոգչ

17:54

!!refresh

KitSox

@JSBձոգչ yawns

JSBձոգչ

woooo

@KitFox how did you make me an admin?

i looked for this and couldn't find it

KitFox

I didn't. I removed the requirement to be an admin.

Easier that way.

JSBձոգչ

interesting. debatable which was the right idea

it's hard to see too much downside to letting anyone refresh

KitFox

@JSBձոգչ Right. Not so much. You think I'm crazy?

winks

Anyway, what's going on with the tell me your laws listener? It seems like the tell command must be interfering.

JSBձոգչ

17:58

@KitFox your sanity has always been in doubt, but not because of this

!!tell me your laws

KitSox

@JSBձոգչ Command your does not exist.

KitFox

But the regex is clear enough. That ought to work.

JSBձոգչ

//this is an ugly, but functional thing, much like your high-school prom date

lol

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