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5:03 PM

Mahlzeit.

user19161

5:16 PM

We have commute, poof, toodle. What other words of departure are there?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@JasonBourne anything can be a departure word. You just have to say it before you depart.

user19161

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Such as what you say every day.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@JasonBourne contrary to popular belief... or your belief, anyway, I do not say the same thing every day.

user19161

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Fedora 18 will be out in less than 24 hours...

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@JasonBourne I'm going to wait at least a few weeks to see how much it blows up people's systems before I install it

user19161

5:25 PM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 It's already delayed two months!

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@JasonBourne yes, it is

That reduces my confidence in it, not increases

user19161

They say it is mostly because of the new installer.

user19161

It's really brand new. The installation steps are quite different. I tested the beta a few weeks ago.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@JasonBourne true. But the installer is kinda important.

user19161

As usual, I look forward to admiring the default wallpaper for a few minutes before I change it to my avatar.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

5:28 PM

and importantly, ever since Windows decided that it needs TWO primary partitions on my hard disk, I've been unable to satisfactorily install a Grub->Linux,Linux,Windows triple boot setup, which would allow me to install a clean F18 without having a rollback F16.

user19161

Ah, the new Windows booting thing I recall.

Beaver. giggles

user19161

@KitFox Where?

user19161

Oh, Reg.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 What's the difference between primary and secondary?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

5:30 PM

@Cerberus you can't make a secondary partition active

@RegDwighт Shit. You didn't say that.

Active?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus an active partition can be booted directly from the bios

Ah OK.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

the partitioning scheme only allows 4 primary partitions, or 3 primary and 1 extended

the extended can contain lots of secondary partitions

5:33 PM

"The" scheme?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

2 Windows + 1 Linux + 1 extended is the best I can do now

user19161

Why do you want so many anyway?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus maybe "scheme" is the wrong word. The partition table standard

"The" standard?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@JasonBourne I don't want "so many". I want one more.

@Cerberus yes.

5:33 PM

What is that?

I know what a partition table is.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus It's the industry standard for how to read partition tables.

Ah.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

It comes from DOS

And you must conform to this standard?

Commute!

5:34 PM

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 We always want just one more.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

There are other standards on other architectures or with other bioses or other OSes

user19161

@Robusto Special effects tend to spoil movies. The original "Clash of the titans" was much better than the remake.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus Er, yes. Just like I must conform to other standards, like SATA or PCI.

@RegDwighт I must say commuting by sleigh is more graceful than by...I don't know, bus.

So you motherboard demands it?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus Well, I had it too, until Windows got greedy and stole it from me.

5:35 PM

Your BIOS?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus The BIOS, and Windows, and Linux all demand it

Okay.

How annoying.

Is this related to when we used to have to fumble with connectors to mark slaves and masters?

And there is no version of your BIOS that can circumvent this problem?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus No it's a different problem from that.

@Cerberus I don't know. This partition table standard has been around forever. It's just the way it is.

Okay.

Kick it.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

As I said, it didn't used to be a problem

Windows 7 broke it though.

5:39 PM

kicks standard

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

This is really only an annoyance once a year

when Fedora stops supporting my installed distro and I have to upgrade

What happens if you remove the extra Win partition?

And what happens if you have several drives? Can each have 4 primaries?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus Some stuff in Windows may break, or some updates may not be able to apply. I don't want to mess with it so badly.

user19161

Wow, another computer lesson by Mr. Shiny.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 It would be interesting to experiment.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

5:41 PM

@Cerberus yes, each drive has the same partition scheme. If I had several drives I could get around this by having a separate data drive.

How much space does this extra partition of Windows take up?

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Then maybe buy a cheap extra drive...

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus Well, the experiment would be "Step 1. Delete partition. Step 2. Wait to see if Windows update mysteriously fails to work or something."

I have just looked at Tom's SSD Hierarchy.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus It's small. 100MB or something like that.

Oh!

That's small.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 You could do that, or clone the disc.

The revert to an earlier image if problems appear.

Actually, you would clone the partition and the root thingy.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

5:44 PM

@Cerberus I don't really have somewhere to clone the disc to. And reverting would be annoying. because all the other partitions are laid out according to what kind they are and what I use them for. If I had an extra primary to play with, I'd reserve 20GB for it.

If I had an easy way to clone partitions, I would just clone the linux partition and erase it then install Fedora 18.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Clone it to an external disc?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus that's too much hassle.

But what's not easy about cloning partitions?

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 You just copy the clone files...

Are you guys really going to argue about this?

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@KitFox Are we arguing?

5:46 PM

I don't know what she wants.

Perhaps it is...a tuna sandwich.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

hm, that reminds me, I haven't had lunch yet.

This is a very healthy and practical recipe.

Seems like Cerb is trying to convince you that you don't have a problem.

Watch this demonstration before you make any sandwich.

It's less than a minute.

@Cerberus If you are not allergic to fish.

5:47 PM

@KitFox Irrelevant. Just watch it.

That's just gross

That's your punishment.

And it won't be a punishment for Mr S.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

haha

I was waiting for his hand to slip off the fish and onto that knife right there

Maybe next time.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

it came close near the end

5:50 PM

He should have used greater force, as usual in life.

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

anyway, i'm going to grab some lunch for myself. I'm thinking sweet-potatoe+butternut squash soup, and maybe some kind of sandwich. If we have bread.

I had pulled pork today.

Also Dark chocolate.

@Mr.ShinyandNew安宇 Uhh I want.

for therapeutic reasons.

@JasonBourne Exeunt omnes. Exit vulpes illa. Exit vicinus. Exeo ego — et exii.

user19161

5:52 PM

@tchrist No Latin in this chat!

What? I'm not going anywhere.

@tchrist Quo vadunt?

Et quid "exivi"?

user19161

@KitFox With a capital D, interesting.

exii

The form exivi is not necessarily incorrect.

But what do you mean?

You're still there.

5:55 PM

Damn it. Let me go.

Must run.

Did you mean exeam?

user19161

Why is it dark chocolate and not black chocolate?

By the time you read it, I wanted to have been true.

Hm, that isn’t sounding right.

Way too tense.

*it

Probably simply *it to be .

Yes, exeam is better, but I wanted to have been gone. I left, not I must go.

5:57 PM

I don't think you would use the perfect in that sense...

You would simply say absum.

Ah.

This comes of being a perfectionist.

A parallellist.

6:30 PM

Today in a meeting I described project management as "The glue that lubricates the wheels of progress." It is telling that everyone involved took this as praise.

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@Cerberus What is the Latin for "I know you are, but what am I?"

Mr. Shiny and New 安宇

@Cerberus it was pretty damn good, IIDSSM

@Robusto Haha, very good.

Long live mixed metaphors!

@Robusto Uhh I'm going to need more context to translate that in an elegant way.

A: "You're an idiot." B. "I know you are, but what am I?"

It's a kid's argument.

Do you want a translation as literal as possible? Or a very general rendering of the expression?

I know what it means.

Succinct as possible.

Never mind. Someone answered with tu quoque, which works.

6:34 PM

All right. There is no real way to translate that while keeping the English idiom.

Est quidem quod tu es, sed quid ego?

Or something.

Now I must go.

Later!

user19161

6:54 PM

@MετάEd I see you have been saying many welcomes today, LOL.

@JasonBourne I'm very welcoming.

See my open arms.

user19161

@MετάEd I also see many orange squares in the review section of 10k tools...

heehee I didn't watch that first.

user19161

@KitFox What an interesting video!

user19161

The girl in the video is called Rachel, my favourite name!

user19161

7:06 PM

The guy jumped into the water, haha.

user19161

Wow, Barrie's answers are even shorter than mine.

I'm trying to get a statement from Kiam about his hacking SE to make his gravatar bigger.

@KitFox See. This is exactly what I was talking about this weekend.

Anyone seen him?

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Q: All mods are equal, but some mods are more equal

All mods are equal, right? Except for Kiamlaluno. Real funny... Bug found here. I'm using Chrome 23.0.1271.97

bug moderators stackexchange.com avatar

@Luke No. Did you try the Lounge, or Linguistics chat?

7:10 PM

23 hours ago, by MετάEd

As my friend who attended Texas A&M told me, there's nothing wrong with enjoying wildlife unless they catch you at it.

@Luke You could always modping him.

@MετάEd Hahaha.

@KitFox He's not in the lounge right now

user19161

@MετάEd Is that Texas A&M in the video?

@KitFox Apparently at Texas A&M all you have to do is wash off the stink though.

That should wake him up...

7:12 PM

@JasonBourne It is.

giggles

user19161

@Luke 24 is out you know.

user19161

So many giggles today!

Yup, I got an arrow in the corner of my screen right now.

Guess I'll update it

24.0.1312.52

I'm done

user19161

@Luke Isn't it automatic?

7:15 PM

It said I hadn't shut Chrome down in while.

I think i left it up last night accidentally

It didn't fix the bug, though

user19161

@Luke Ah I see, and 24 just came out.

6,718 items in my recycle bin.

user19161

It seems that the great Ron Maimon has left Physics SE...

user19161

@KitFox OMG! Guess the number in mine?

0

user19161

7:18 PM

Ding!

Now we match.

16 here

now 0

user19161

How did it even get to 6k?

deleting a large folder

I'm testing a database/website installation.

user19161

7:19 PM

@Luke Even then it should be 1 item, no?

Not if there are a bzillion files in it.

I can't figure out what has happened to my zebra-stripes.

user19161

@KitFox Where?

@JasonBourne Woohoo!

user19161

@Cerberus Why do you hate him?

7:22 PM

On my pages. But now I see that my script is registered incorrectly.

Oh, I don't hate him.

But I hear he is a very difficult person.

As was apparent from his profile.

user19161

-1

Q: Using either to saying both of the elements are needed

I want to say using spatial or temporal properties of data individoualy cannot help and they should be applied together. Is it correct? While the reliable detection of events cannot be achieved by using either spatial properties of WSN data or temporal properties, outliers should be identified ...

grammaticality grammar

And questions on Linguistics weren't exactly...well.

user19161

I am nuking this question.

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Q: Is it really so important in English to find a single word to express a single concept?

Recently, this forum has seen many questions of the what is the single word for type. Is this really such a concern in English? Single words such as obfuscate or elucidate can obfuscate as much they can elucidate. This quest for a single word might be considered stylistically important in some...

single-word-requests phrases

7:27 PM

Oh sorry. Did you want to say something about that?

Beaver. giggles

user19161

@KitFox He has migrated it to meta.

No I have not.

@JasonBourne Oh has he?

user19161

Oh Kit has?

I would have just closed it as NC.

user19161

7:27 PM

Well done!

user19161

I was about to click downvote. I feel evil today.

@RegDwighт I was planning to close it on meta as a dupe of the single-word-request questions.

I mean, even on meta it's still NC. What are we supposed to answer, "Um, yeah. People have questions."

But I hadn't gotten that far.

@KitFox oh, there is such a thing?

Or do you mean the crosswords quality one?

:7670827 downvoted and flagged for deletion

7:29 PM

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Q: Are single word requests always welcomed questions?

Are there any cases where a single word request is not welcomed on EL&U? The FAQ clearly states that users should ask "practical, answerable questions based on actual problems." In which cases would a single word request not suit EL&U? Which information should be provided in the questi...

discussion appropriate-questions

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Q: Against single word requests

We've discussed single-word-requests before: Are single word requests always welcomed questions? Are word requests allowed? The consensus of earlier discussions was that these questions are on the low end, but not specifically disallowed. However, the last few months of experience have started...

discussion tags on-topic-off-topic

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Q: Single word requests, crosswords, and the fight against mediocrity

A call to action This topic has been brought up here numerous times before, most recently by JSBangs: I'm now of the opinion that single word requests should be either disallowed entirely or subject to much more stringent requirements. The reasons are as follows: We get lots of...

discussion appropriate-questions scope

I hadn't decided which yet.

Yeah, mediocrity. Not quality, mediocrity. I always get the two confused.

Matt Эллен

all 3!!!

TO THE GROUND

user19161

Why is Reg changing his avatar so frequently the last few hours?

Because you are imagining it.

7:30 PM

What's with a beaver?

user19161

You added the shade of magenta, and then you changed into a beaver.

Or is it a bieber?

user19161

Two is over 9000.

That's so not so frequently. That's differently frequently.

user19161

They posted a very sexy pic of Bieber in the math room.

user19161

7:31 PM

Let me find it...

May 23 '11 at 11:25, by Robusto

Yep. @RegDwight is actually Justin Bieber. True story.

@JasonBourne no.

No no no.

No.

We will not let you find it.

~~I want to touch @Reg's beaver.~~

Matt Эллен

@JasonBourne we'll have no such offensive material here!

Oh sorry.

@RegDwighт Did you seriously downvote my post?

If so, why?

7:32 PM

@KitFox As Matt notes, you don't really have to pick just one...

Matt Эллен

@KitFox as well you should be, touching a man's beaver!

@Luke hahaha. No. That must be Josh messing with me.

user19161

@RegDwighт Oh, the link is dead.

Well hello to you too, @Shog.

can't greet, busy down-voting Luke

7:34 PM

My cute tester is back for another round.

TO THE GROUND

So I must off to seduce.

Now, don't forget I still have my mod powaz here...

Matt Эллен

@KitFox Have fun!

Now that Reg has me thinking about beavers.

Later!

user19161

7:34 PM

justjaredjr.com/2012/07/18/justin-bieber-covers-rolling-stone

So I wanted to prove it to you by showing how I haven't cast a single vote on MSO for a whole week, but turns out I do have two votes.

So sorry, no proofs for you.

user19161

Look at that lovely Bieber pic above!

Uh. Now Luke has two downvotes.

Someone positively hates him.

Sometwo...

In that case I guess I can spare an upvote.

7:36 PM

Or someone with a sock...

Watch it! In 3

2

1

Matt Эллен

wait... Reg has a sock!

Dun.

I only upvoted for the title, though. The title was really good. The rest was crap. But the title was really good.

Matt Эллен

Come for the title, stay for the crap.

user19161

So guys, I am going to make it to 30k by June and then retire, please give me your support!

7:37 PM

@MattЭллен Dr. Crap!

POLL: Who's the most equal moderator on EL&U?

Not me.

See meta for QED.

user19161

@RegDwighт QED? LOL. RHOTIC.

@JasonBourne NOU.

QED

Matt Эллен

F: All of the above

7:39 PM

How rude.

user19161

So @reg when are you going to have kids?

Matt Эллен

F is the sixth option

@JasonBourne at seven.

Matt Эллен

you see, I'm saying all the moderators are more equal than each other

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A: What does "great good" mean in tutorial title "Learn You a Haskell for Great Good!"?

i want good practice problems of haskell .please give me link of some good book of haskell. Thanks in advance

That is an answer, mind you.

Matt Эллен

7:40 PM

the answer

user19161

@RegDwighт WTF

I was about to flag, when poof, "you cannot flag a deleted post"

user19161

@Luke Poof? Only cerberus can poof.

2 days ago, by RegDwighт

@tchrist But you can try. You'll succeed at last.

user19161

I don't poof, I poo.

user19161

7:43 PM

Where is Mitch? I miss him...

@RegDwighт Why the rodent?

Or what is it.

It rodes.

Or rodates.

It's meant as a counterpart to hades. Or hadates.

user19161

I have 52 helpful flags.

OMG Cerberus is in our meta posting answers.

user19161

52 is the number of weeks in a year.

7:48 PM

Not when it's 53.

I've got 87

592.

693 on SO.

@RegDwighт Excuse me?

I post answers on Meta.

user19161

@Cerberus You are excused.

I didn't mean to wake you up. One of your heads posted something.

7:51 PM

@RegDwighт Hades is no proper verb!

54-40 is my number

@Cerberus urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=im+in+ur

@KitFox you know my name, look up the number.

user19161

What happens if a girl you like tells you that she has just broken up with another guy?

user image

I post on Meta regularly, in case you never read Meta.

Matt Эллен

what's meta?

is it like peta but for men?

7:52 PM

@JasonBourne You play it cool.

@Cerberus two answers in two weeks is not regularly.

user19161

@MattЭллен Haha, this kind of stupid thing gets a star.

user image

@MattЭллен Men for the ethical treatment of animals (And terrorizing scientists.)?

Comments don't count. Everyone comments all day long everywhere.

7:53 PM

@RegDwighт Yes, yes...but you seemed surprised.

Matt Эллен

@JasonBourne you have to add pizzazz to get a star

@Cerberus I was fishing for upvotes for you. You're ruining it all.

Matt Эллен

@KitFox um, maybe martians, then

@JasonBourne you go, "phew, I'm so happy we weren't together!"

@RegDwighт I don't think more meta...meta-ness is required. Visiting Meta every other day and posting every couple of weeks seems appropriate. Much of the stuff is not exactly new or urgent.

7:54 PM

Detergent is always urgent.

@RegDwighт Oh. Well, in that case, thanks.

@RegDwighт Don't count for what? Why not?

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus I will not allow you your little metaphor

user19161

@RegDwighт In this case, the other guy left for another girl you see...

@Cerberus You are slow. I'm no longer discussing that. I'm discussing tomatoes.

@JasonBourne then you go, "phew, I'm so happy I'm not that other girl!"

@RegDwighт blush I had no idea you thought so.

user19161

7:56 PM

@RegDwighт LOL

@MattЭллен Hah! Are you challenging me?

user19161

@RegDwighт I am supposed to sound posh and pronounce tomatoes differently from potatoes.

@RegDwighт As you wish.

@KitFox not sure why the arrow is pointing where it's pointing. Incomprehensibility just went up!

I like tomatoes.

7:57 PM

Well too bad, I'm eating chocolate already.

Yes, points for Kit.

user19161

I like potatoes.

Really? Hot girls = tomatoes, you didn't know?

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus well, maybe. I'd have to come up with a better metaphor first. Or just a better meta for my wit.

@KitFox hot girls are red and round? In the US perhaps...

7:58 PM

Good luck...

God, I'm so tired.

Dec 24 '12 at 14:31, by RegDwighт

user image

Tomato with cheese.

NO!! NO!!!!!

ur eevl

@RegDwighт Reg...we talked about this.

Sorry, I promised to never show your photo again.

The problem is, I lied.

user19161

Well, let's not make fun of people.

7:59 PM

Let's make fun of asphalt instead!

You can't lie in advance.

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