English Language & Usage: Multi-Layered Discourse Room

RegDwighт

8:00 PM

Watch me: yes.

Cerberus

No.

RegDwighт

See?

I lied!

Cerberus

It's cheating and you know it.

user19161

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Q: Is there a name for responding to an accusation by making a counter-accusation?

A rhetorical question is a question asked in order to make a point, without expectation of an answer. Here is something similair, and I want to know if there exists a name for it, I'll illustrate it using an example (an epic dialogue). 1: You're ugly. 2: You should look in a mirror. Here advi...

rhetoric

RegDwighт

Why is it I lied and not I lide? English is stupid.

user19161

8:00 PM

Do you think Robusto changed the title too much?

user19161

I think he did.

Cerberus

@RegDwighт It deserves punishment.

user19161

I think the title should be rolled back.

Cerberus

But we already have SWRs for that.

Luke

@RegDwighт I'd star that if the last sentence was standalone.

That coming from an ELU mod is ironic

RegDwighт

8:02 PM

@Luke that sentence got starred several times already. You're too late.

user19161

But the asker is fine with it, so let it be...

user19161

But it definitely did change the flavour of the question...

RegDwighт

Apr 13 '12 at 20:27, by RegDwight Ѭſ道

English is a stupid language. You use a word in a sense you just invented yourself, and nobody understands you.

Starred twice.

Mar 2 '12 at 18:40, by Cerberus

Yeah, it's a stupid language.

Starred four times.

Etcpp

Luke

And it's our largest language site...

KitFox

We've had a good steward.

RegDwighт

8:03 PM

@Luke Yes, the majority can't be wrong.

Cerberus

@SimonHoare: Human nature, o cruel! cease thy ceaseless chase and rest awhile under the clause tree. — Cerberus 50 secs ago

@RegDwighт I'm so cheap.

RegDwighт

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Q: What is the usage of _don't touch me_

What is the usage of don't touch me? When do English people use this phrase?

usage

user19161

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Q: What is the usage of _don't touch me_

What is the usage of don't touch me? When do English people use this phrase?

usage

RegDwighт

Jinx.

user19161

Jinx.

user19161

8:06 PM

Metajinx.

Cerberus

> ...and can it be used against one in court?

RegDwighт

That question sets a new record. I'm not sure in which discipline, but it's definitely a record.

Cerberus

Very disciplined your duo is.

They literally appeared in the same second on my puter.

user19161

What is the usage of "touch me"?

RegDwighт

@JasonBourne you use it directly on your forehead.

KitFox

8:08 PM

Applied directly to the foreskin.

user19161

Geezis.

RegDwighт

No discriminating against Jews.

Cerberus

And other desert people.

RegDwighт

Right.

Cerberus

Sand.

user19161

8:09 PM

New record at -4 votes so fast.

RegDwighт

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Q: A show of force, power, strength

If a country is conducting a military parade to show off and intimidate other countries, I could describe it as: a show of force a show of power a show of strength Definitions for 'force', 'power', and 'strength' show some overlaps among them. Could all three mean the same?

meaning word-choice word-usage

Something about this is so nortonny.

user19161

@RegDwighт I feel it too.

RegDwighт

And yet the title and the tags look neater than usual.

Is he learning?

KitFox

The name is an anagram.

RegDwighт

Of?

KitFox

8:11 PM

I dunno. Ask Rob.

user19161

Of Sauron.

RegDwighт

@KitFox Ah, that kind of anagram.

Everything is that kind of anagram.

user19161

Everything is an anagram of itself.

RegDwighт

Not Ben Afleck, no.

KitFox

Can't get my damn script references to work.

MετάEd

8:14 PM

Ben Afleck. Befleck, blacken, alkene, baleen, beflea, belace, elance, enable, enface, enlace, fankle, kabele, nebeck, abcee, abele, ackee, akene, albee, ancle, anele, ankle, baken, becke, black, blank, bleak, cable, celeb, clank, clean, cleek, fable, fecal, fence, flack, flake, flank, fleck, kenaf, kneel, lance, leben, neafe, nebek, nebel,

able, acne, akee, albe, alec, alee, alef, ance, back, bael, bake, bale, balk, banc, bane, bank, beak, bean, beck, beef, been, bene, blae, blee, cafe, cake, calf, calk, cane, clan, clef, eale, elan, face, fack, fake, fane, fank, feal, feck, feel, flab, flak, flan, flea, flee, kale, kane, keef, keel, keen, knee, lace, lack, lake, lane, lank, leaf, leak, lean, leek, leke, nabe, nabk, neal, neck,

ace, ake, alb, ale, ane, bal, ban, bee, bel, ben, cab, can, cee, cel, ean, eek, eel, een, eke, elf, elk, ene, fab, fan, fee, fen, kab, kae, kaf, kea, keb, kef, ken, lab, lac, lea, lee, lek, nab, nae, neb, nee, nef, nek, ab, ae, al, an, ba, be, ea, ee, ef, el, en, fa, fe, ka, la, na, ne. Ben Afleck.

Matt Эллен

don't touch me

KitFox

What do you mean by that?

MετάEd

Ben Afleck. Blacken, baleen, enable, Albee, ankle, black, Blake, blank, bleak, cable, Caleb, clank, clean, Elena, fable, fecal, fence, flack, flake, flank, fleck, kneel, lance, Abel, able, acne, Alec, back, bake, bale, balk, bane, bank, beak, bean, beck, beef, been, Bela, cake, calf, calk, cane, clan, clef, Eben, Elba, Elbe, face, fake, feel, flab, flak, flan, flea, flee, Kalb, kale, Kane, keel, keen, Klan, Klee, knee, lace, lack, lake, lane, lank, leaf, leak, lean, leek, Lena, Neal, neck,

Abe, ace, alb, ale, ban, bee, Ben, cab, Cal, can, eel, eke, elf, elk, fan, Feb, fee, fen, Fla, ken, lab, lea, lee, Len, nab, Ac, Al, an, Ba, be, Bk, Ca, Cf, Cl, fa, Fe, kc, la, Le, Ln, Na, Nb, Ne. Ben Afleck.

user19161

@RegDwighт Ben Affleck.

Matt Эллен

the me you thought you could touch is not what you think it is

MετάEd

8:16 PM

Surely someone can turn that into an interesting anagram. It has fecal.

@JasonBourne I can do it again.

user19161

@MετάEd You have been infected with the tchrist virus.

RegDwighт

@JasonBourne see, QED.

And whoosh.

KitFox

fecal knefb

Matt Эллен

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RegDwighт

Uh.

english.stackexchange.com/badges/61/sportsmanship?userid=300

I... didn't do anything.

KitFox

8:18 PM

Hahahahahaha

user19161

Wow, Barrie's answers are getting shorter and shorter...

RegDwighт

I really did not.

KitFox

You must have upvoted something?

RegDwighт

@KitFox I haven't voted for like seven hours.

MετάEd

@JasonBourne No. None of those words are Old English or Elvish.

Matt Эллен

8:19 PM

you've voted 11 times today, you must have voted on answers that are competing with yours

RegDwighт

And yeah, of course I upvoted a competing answer earlier today, but only one, and it had nothing to do with the badge.

user19161

I hope that users will upvote me more when they see that I have the sportmanship badge.

MετάEd

Blacken, baffle, baleen, efface, enable, Albee, ankle, black, Blake, blank, bleak, cable, Caleb, clank, clean, Elena, fable, fecal, fence, flack, flake, flank, fleck, kneel, lance, Abel, able, acne, Alec, back, bake, bale, balk, bane, bank, beak, bean, beck, beef, been, Bela, cake, calf, calk, cane, clan, clef, Eben, Elba, Elbe, face, fake, feel,

flab, flak, flan, flea, flee, Kalb, kale, Kane, keel, keen, Klan, Klee, knee, lace, lack, lake, lane, lank, leaf, leak, lean, leek, Lena, Neal, neck, Abe, ace, alb, ale, ban, bee, Ben, cab, Cal, can, eel, eke, elf, elk, fan, Feb, fee, fen, Fla, ken, lab, lea, lee, Len, nab, Ac, Al, an, Ba, be, Bk, Ca, Cf, Cl, fa, Fe, kc, la, Le, Ln, Na, Nb, Ne.

RegDwighт

The very definition of coincidence. I mean, I even ran stats and all, but had no idea I was exactly one vote away.

user19161

Also, we really need to have a backstabber badge for downvoting 100 competing answers.

Cerberus

8:21 PM

@MετάEd Do you use a program for this, or do you enjoy doing it by hand?

Matt Эллен

@RegDwighт must have been the vote that broke the camel's back, but the camel didn't die until just now

MετάEd

Befleck, blacken, effable, alkene, baffle, baleen, beflea, belace, efface, elance, enable, enface, enlace, fankle, kabele, keffel, neaffe, nebeck, abcee, abele, ackee, akene, albee, ancle, anele, ankle, baken, becke, black, blaff, blank, bleak, cable, celeb, clank, clean, cleek, fable, fecal, fence, flack, flake, flank, fleck, kenaf, kneel,

Cerberus

@RegDwighт Congratulations.

RegDwighт

@JasonBourne it's called Civic Duty.

MετάEd

lance, leben, neafe, nebek, nebel, able, acne, akee, albe, alec, alee, alef, ance, back, bael, baff, bake, bale, balk, banc, bane, bank, beak, bean, beck, beef, been, bene, blae, blee, cafe, caff, cake, calf, calk, cane, clan, clef, eale, elan, face, fack, fake, fane, fank, feal, feck, feel, flab, flak, flan, flea, flee, kale, kane, keef, keel,

RegDwighт

8:21 PM

@Cerberus thanks.

MετάEd

keen, knee, lace, lack, laff, lake, lane, lank, leaf, leak, lean, leek, leke, nabe, nabk, naff, neal, neck, ace, aff, ake, alb, ale, ane, bal, ban, bee, bel, ben, cab, can, cee, cel, ean, eek, eel, een, eff, eke, elf, elk, ene, fab, fan, fee, fen, kab, kae, kaf, kea, keb, kef, ken, lab, lac, lea, lee, lek, nab, nae, neb, nee, nef, nek, ab, ae, al, an, ba, be, ea, ee, ef, el, en, fa, fe, ka, la, na, ne.

Matt Эллен

@MετάEd tchrist, is that you?

MετάEd

No. And stop that.

RegDwighт

Now I can finally go and downvote everyone. My ratio of upvotes to downvotes is still over 1.

Matt Эллен

you first!

Cerberus

8:21 PM

@MattЭллен It is Befleck.

MετάEd

@Cerberus I wrote a program in Perl to do it.

Matt Эллен

lol

MετάEd

I realize that is suspicious.

Cerberus

Which is "cunnlingus-lick" in Dutch-German.

@MετάEd I see.

RegDwighт

@MετάEd so you are tchrist.

MετάEd

8:22 PM

@Cerberus What is? Perl?

KitFox

Wut?

Cerberus

@MετάEd Befleck.

user19161

I am reminded of Barrie's "They are both are grammatical", LOL.

RegDwighт

@JasonBourne better still, "they are both grammatical and ungrammatical".

MετάEd

@RegDwighт Not even a little bit.

user19161

8:23 PM

@RegDwighт That is just nonsense.

RegDwighт

@MετάEd right. Tchrist wouldn't write a perl script to do that. He would write Perl to do that.

@JasonBourne no, that's almost a quote of myself.

And yeah, that kind of means the no is a yes.

Cerberus

By no I mean yes?

RegDwighт

I don't know, do you?

Cerberus

Or by yes I mean no?

MετάEd

@RegDwighт How much actual Perl development does he do? I thought he was more the writer of books.

RegDwighт

8:25 PM

Seven.

Matt Эллен

bye bye

MετάEd

@RegDwighт Ah. That much.

RegDwighт

@MετάEd it's in the transcript here and there, bits and pieces he suggested to Larry that got accepted or rejected.

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A: "Enables you to quickly and easily identify" vs. "enables you to identify quickly and easily"

Both are equally grammatical, but also equally nonsensical because identify is missing its object. As soon as the object is added, the first alternative actually becomes preferable. enables you to quickly and easily identify problems → perfectly natural enables you to identify quickly a...

MετάEd

@RegDwighт Really. I have a few choice bits to suggest to Larry myself. ¬¬

RegDwighт

Hm. Somehow I stopped milking the MC at 44. What's the matter? Mr Shiny got to OVER 100!

user19161

8:27 PM

Larry Trask is dead.

RegDwighт

Since 2004, no less.

user19161

Perhaps he has been reborn and will be a user soon.

user19161

jwpat is also often changing his pic.

Shog9

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Q: Done! Now restore this site to ESL ("English as a Second Language")

Proposal: English Language Learners A Brief Background — 6 months ago as part of the Area 51 process, this proposal was renamed from "English as a Second Language" to "English Language Learners." It was a way to highlight (and defend) the NEED to support a *separate* community for non-nati...

culture proposal-name

Cerberus

WTF I can't even upgrade IE 8 on Windows XP?

user19161

8:31 PM

@Shog9 Only 5 more committers to go...

Mahnax

@Cerberus Nope! Microsoft loves their diehard XPers, obviously.

Cerberus

> Trying to describe the difference between "English Learners" and an "English Language & Usage" site will be difficult at best. If the dividing line become easy questions versus hard questions, the site will fail. On the other hand, when a native (or non-native) speaker sees "ESL" they'll know exactly where they need to be. The audiences are distinct; the line is clear.

This is not about semantics — yes, non-native speakers can fare just fine on EL&U — this is about the end-user experience and letting potential users know (clearly) where they need to be. For every user who stumbles into t…

I like how he says "this is not about semantics" and "forum".

user19161

I still think that ELL shouldn't be there.

user19161

But we'll see how it goes.

Cerberus

But I'm glad the site has made it!

@Mahnax Tough love, huh?

user19161

8:33 PM

I have always disagreed with JA on things. This is no exception. He did a last minute move to resurrect ELL.

RegDwighт

@Shog9 yeah whatever. I'm not married to the name.

Mahnax

@Cerberus Ehm, love. Yes.

RegDwighт

See also:

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A: Why limit the new group to ESL?

Personally, I'm open to suggestions. I just had to pick a working title, any working title. Quick and dirty. But the more I think about it, that might be its whole strength. It's short and clear. I'm afraid trying to shoehorn in any and all basic questions will invariably leave us with something ...

user19161

@RegDwighт You certainly sound like a pineapple.

KitFox

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A: Done! Now restore this site to ESL ("English as a Second Language")

I understand what you are saying, but "English as a Second Language" is non-preferred lingo in educational circles. English Language Learners is the accepted, current terminology for the intended audience. Renaming the site "ESL" will label it as amateur to professionals.

Maybe I should expand that answer?

Shog9

8:37 PM

[citation-needed]

KitFox

Look it up.

Shog9

Lazy.\

KitFox

I work in literacy. This is what they use. ESL is frowned upon.

user19161

@KitFox How about EFL?

KitFox

It is about the equivalent of calling black people "colored."

Cerberus

8:39 PM

@Mahnax Microsoft has screwed me over by terminating products and services I was using so many times...

KitFox

I could explain the politics, but I'd rather not.

user19161

Sure, the margin in this chat is too narrow...

Cerberus

They deleted this Bridge community that was very cool and active. There was no alternative on the web at the time.

user19161

@Cerberus Use Linux!!!

Cerberus

They terminated a certain back-up function on Windows Mobile even while the phones in question were still for sale.

I used that function.

user19161

8:40 PM

Ubuntu is set to hit the phone market as well...

Cerberus

@JasonBourne I would, but, as before, the programs I need do not exist for Linux.

user19161

@Cerberus Change your habits. Adapt.

Matt Эллен

@Cerberus write them! you're programmer, right?

Cerberus

@KitFox It sounds a bit new: ESL is probably last year's expression, then?

@JasonBourne Impossible, and even if I could, I don't want to if I don't have to.

KitFox

@Cerberus Last decade's expression, sure.

Cerberus

8:42 PM

@MattЭллен Hah! No, and no.

user19161

In my school days, we had Chinese and Higher Chinese, LOL.

Shog9

@KitFox That's an interesting analog, since I tend to encounter the term most often in regard to schools offering ESL classes, and of course there are still organizations like the NAACP that use the term "colored" in a way that would not be acceptable in normal conversation... But, still, [citation-needed]

Cerberus

@KitFox All right, last decade's. I'm not sure whether we need a new expression every year that is hardly different from the last, but I trust in your authority in this matter.

KitFox

@Shog9 What would be an acceptable citation? I don't know where to cite such a thing.

user19161

Perhaps we can call these sites English and Higher English, LOL.

Shog9

8:44 PM

@KitFox literally any reference that describes the use of ESL as a primarily pejorative term, or even one that documents a preference for some other term when describing resources for those learning English as... Well, a second language.

Heck, even drawing from your own experience to describe the difficulties involved in using the term would be preferable to simply stating that "it's not done" - clearly, it is, frequently.

KitFox

I feel like you are asking me to cite why "cripple" is not used for "disabled."

I'll see what I can do.

Cerberus

@KitFox So anyway, I accept your authority, and I have no problem with ELL as such.

Shog9

@KitFox And I feel like I'm being told "blind" is an inappropriate term for folks who can't see. These things are generally documented; I appreciate anything you can provide to clarify.

user19161

@Cerberus How about Basic English and Advanced English? =)

Cerberus

@Shog9 I don't think Kit really means pejorative, or does she? I rather read that as "no longer in use by professionals / in academia".

KitFox

8:48 PM

Can you read this? My reader seems broken.

RegDwighт

A Guide for Educators of ELL.

user19161

@KitFox Yes.

Cerberus

@JasonBourne I don't know, I don't think that is what people want...

Shog9

@Cerb It is about the equivalent of calling black people "colored." — KitFox 9 mins ago

Cerberus

@Shog9 Yeah, but I thought she meant "outdated" rather than "commonly used by racists".

RegDwighт

8:49 PM

I gotta run. Left a comment.

Lators.

Cerberus

Bai.

Shog9

@Cerberus Perhaps, but there are other examples of outdated terms that don't have the connotations that "colored" does.

KitFox

It is outdated and it is outdated because of its cultural implications.

Shog9

user19161

@Shog9 Geezis.

user19161

8:52 PM

Isn't white also a colour? I guess to be not coloured, one would have to be colourless...

Shog9

Let's face it: if you call someone's car a horseless carriage, they probably don't think you're putting them down as less than human.

KitFox

> ELL: English language learner. A national-origin-minority student who is limited-English-proficient. This term is often preferred over limited-English-proficient (LEP) as it highlights accomplishments rather than deficits.

Cerberus

@Shog9 Yeah, so her example surprised me a bit.

KitFox

But that's not ESL, although it is getting toward why it is a preferred term.

Shog9

Yeah, i've never encountered LEP

KitFox

8:54 PM

LEP is usually how they describe the tests.

Cerberus

Kit, can you tell us which circles you are talking about exactly, and whether you truly mean pejorative and why?

I see ESL all the time.

user19161

@Cerberus I think I see the term used online pretty often too.

KitFox

It's not exactly pejorative. I'm trying to think how to describe it.

Cerberus

nods

Just outdated?

KitFox

It's not an accurate description.

user19161

8:55 PM

Perhaps pseudo-pejorative.

Cerberus

Why not?

KitFox

It doesn't cover all ELLers.

Cerberus

Because it does not apply any activity, as in, English might be my second language, but I don't care about improving it one iota?

KitFox

No, it implies a certain sense of superiority of English.

Cerberus

Or is this the "challenge" kind of business/self-help lingo (no offence)?

KitFox

8:56 PM

Let me see if I can find a good description somewhere.

Cerberus

Okay.

user19161

I am going to bed, I will see all of you in my dreams, poof!

KitFox

> ELLs are students who speak a language other than English at home, and testing indicates these students have some limitations in their English language abilities, whether it is speaking, listening, reading, writing, or a combination of two or more.

> Other terms oftentimes used interchangeably with ELLs are Limited English Proficient (LEP) and English as a Second Language (ESL) student. ELL is the preferred term in most of the literature because of the negative connotation seen in LEP and the fact that ESL more accurately expresses a type of program that ELLs can be placed in.

Shog9

Ok, that makes sense

Cerberus

ESL more accurately expresses a program?

Shog9

9:07 PM

So the question becomes, are you describing the purpose of the site, or the type of folks most likely to ask questions on it

Cerberus

Is this just because ESL has no noun describing a person in it?

@KitFox I must say this bit sounds awfully euphemistic.

> testing indicates these students have some limitations in their English language abilities

Gosh.

KitFox

@Cerberus Uh. No.

Cerberus

Then I don't understand.

KitFox

It's not accurate.

Cerberus

Must be because I'm not L'ing enough!

KitFox

9:10 PM

I don't care whether English is your second or hundredth or first language.

Shog9

This sounds like a question for... Uh, a site that explains the connotations of English terms to folks unfamiliar with them.

KitFox

@Shog9 I considered it.

Mahnax

@Shog9 Meta Stack Overflow?

"why is my question close ?? "

Shog9

Sounds about right

Cerberus

@Shog9 Like...uhh...do they have sites like that nowadays?

KitFox

9:11 PM

But as I said in my revised answer, I recognize that I might be affected more than I think by my profession.

Shog9

@KitFox wait a sec - you're interpreting "second" as a chronological designation?

Cerberus

@KitFox Hmm. This is to me a detail, but okay.

KitFox

@Shog9 That is one of several reasons for not using the term.

Cerberus

I don't think many people have a clear chronology.

They learn many languages at once.

KitFox

Oh FFS. The "detail" is important.

If the label isn't accurate, how will people find it?

Shog9

9:13 PM

To be clear, I have no personal preference here (others on the team might) - the goal is to use whatever term will make the purpose of the site most obvious to the folks we want to use it, both experts and otherwise.

KitFox

I don't know. ESL shouts "amateur" to me. But maybe that's what we want.

Shog9

ESL is, in my area at least, an extremely common designation for classes, programs, and institutions that are geared toward the instruction of folks learning English.

KitFox

I don't know what 'they' would search for.

Cerberus

I have no preference either. I don't think anybody does except Robert and Kit.

@Shog9 Same here.

KitFox

If you were taking the TOEFL, for instance, would you look for EFL references?

Cerberus

9:14 PM

But I don't care.

KitFox

And miss the ESL references?

Cerberus

I see ESL more than anything else, I think.

Shog9

@KitFox Well, now you're getting into a different problem, which is that different potential users might be looking for different terms, and we can't really list all of them in the title

Cerberus

But I have never really participated in courses and such.

KitFox

Well, I said my piece. So long as the site is launched, you can call it tofu for all I care.

@Shog9 Yeah, I know.

Cerberus

9:16 PM

I agree. Tofu it is!

Matt Эллен

teaching others foreign unglish?

KitFox

The name is important.

Cerberus

@MattЭллен Haha yes! I like it.

Shog9

y'all and your food names. Gonna end up with pineapple-grilled-tofu-salad.SE

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Cerberus

We should recruit more people from India.

To grill or be grilled.

The grilling of or by pineapples.

Shog9

9:17 PM

meant to write glazed, but whatever

KitFox

We should figure out how to reference Kit's .js from a nested master page without using an absolute path.

Then she'd be less grumpy about ESL v. ELL.

Shog9

paths locate. Absolute paths locate absolutely.

KitFox

smiles half-heartedly

I appreciate the effort.

Shog9

But in all seriousness, this sounds like the sort of thing Stack Overflow is useful for...

Matt Эллен

is that one of EL&U's sister sites?

KitFox

9:20 PM

I, um, they are usually mean to me there.

So I don't go there anymore.

Shog9

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A: Stop a master page from auto-correcting or adjusting URLs

Urls in your master page should either be relative to the root, or use the tilde-slash ~/ approach, to indicate the path from the root of the site. If you master page is /App_Master/MyMaster.master and you have some links in it, ensure they are like: <link rel="Stylesheet" type="text/css" hr...

^^^ I have to assume you're doing something slightly different from that

KitFox

Shog9

@KitFox and the problem?

KitFox

I think was how I had it. Except I need to deploy it to other sites with different names.

Shog9

@KitFox that's where the tilde shorthand comes into play, yeah?

KitFox

9:23 PM

The tilde won't work.

I tried it.

Shog9

Lazy tilde

KitFox

Ugh. Here is a suggestion to use a script manager.

Maybe I will try that tonight after the boys are abed.

MετάEd

What's the problem?

KitFox

9 mins ago, by KitFox

We should figure out how to reference Kit's .js from a nested master page without using an absolute path.

Shog9

IIRC (and I've officially not been a programmer for almost a year now, so YMMV), you can just calculate the correct path any way you like if you're doing something unusual - so instead of src="<%= Url.Content("~/SecureSite/Scripts/cimme.js") %>" you can do "src="<%= KitsAwesomePathManager.Find("cimme.js") %>" and be done with it.

KitFox

9:28 PM

...uh. Maybe. I could put all of this shared stuff somewhere else and point everything to that.

Cerberus

@Shog9 Then you have lost your Title. The entail prescribes that the title shall pass on to your heir.

KitFox

I could regex the page before the deployment.

Shog9

that sounds excessive

KitFox

Maybe I could resolve the root somehow...

Shog9

Give the tilde a solid beating, make him get to work

KitFox

9:30 PM

This is (I think) the last part of my installation script.

If I can get this to work, then I think it is finished.

And my boss won't beat me when he comes back from vacation because I haven't deployed the new site yet.

Cerberus

> Star Wars-themed MMO, The Old Republic, strictly limited characters to relationships with opposite-gendered characters. The developer is planning to fix that situation with March's Rise of the Hutt Cartel expansion, but same-sex character relationship partners will be limited to certain computer-controlled characters on a single in-game planet.

So they're having a gay planet.

Shog9

@KitFox here you go:

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Q: ASP.NET MVC Relative Paths

In my applications, I often have to use relative paths. For example, when I reference JQuery, I usually do so like this: <script type="text/javascript" src="../Scripts/jquery-1.2.6.js"></script> Now that I'm making the transition to MVC, I need to account for the different paths a ...

asp.net asp.net-mvc

KitFox

Here's another suggestion to embed it as an assembly. I hadn't thought of that.

TRiG

@Cerberus Population dynamics how are you?

Shog9

@Cerberus and it's a Hutt planet? Somehow, I always suspected as much.

Cerberus

9:33 PM

@TRiG Yes, I'd like to order two gay planets and a black hole, you think you could have them ready by next week?

TRiG

@Cerberus I'm afraid Magrathea is currently closed for business.

Cerberus

@Shog9 Sorry, I don't know much about Star Wars, but I'm sure your intergalactic gaydar was accurate.

KitFox

> 'Url' is not declared. It may be inaccessible due to its protection level.

Cerberus

@TRiG Magrathea? Is she...?

(I barely know Star Wars.)

KitFox

I've got to go. Later, peoples. Thanks for the suggestions.

Cerberus

9:36 PM

Bai.

> Same-gender relationships (SGRs) have been a commonly requested feature in TOR since its launch late in 2011 ... technical difficulties and the amount of work needed to retrofit existing characters for SGRs are to blame for the feature not being more widespread initially.

It can be hard to adjust to a new orientation indeed.

arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/01/…

TRiG

@Cerberus Nope. Magrathea is from Hitch Hiker's. They make bespoke planets to order. But they've gone into hibernation till the galactic economy recovers enough to make their business viable again.

Cerberus

Ahh I see.

How inconvenient.

How about next week? Will they be available then?

A man has needs.

arstechnica.com/gaming/2013/01/…

Robusto

What is TOR?

Matt Эллен

the onion ring

@Robusto oh, you mean in star wars? The Old Republic

Robusto

Oh, right.

Cerberus

9:45 PM

Oh, boy. I'm so tired that switching from a black page to a bright page such as this hurts my eyes.

Robusto

Just play Mass Effect. You get to have SGRs in that, though I think it's skewed toward lesbians.

Cerberus

Dragin Age has them too.

A silly euphemism, btw.

Just call it gay sex.

Or homosexual romance.

Matt Эллен

or pansexual fuckfest

or -feast

or inaccurate orgy simulator

Robusto

Hmm, I wonder if there is a -feast flag in maven: mvn clean install -feast

Nah, doesn't work. Boo.

Cerberus

10:03 PM

Umm yes.

> At Ars Technica, we are fortunate to have a parent company that exercises zero influence over our editorial decisions. We have a strong separation between Church and State (Sales and Editorial), and we are also fortunate to have a team that is willing to forgo investing directly in the tech stocks and startup companies they cover.

I really like this comparison.

Sales and the Church as evil.

Robusto

@Cerberus Your economy doesn't work if people don't buy stuff. Are you against people buying things?

Matt Эллен

selling things isn't evil

Robusto

I mean, this from a Dutchman. Egad, man!

Matt Эллен

cynical marketing is evil

Cerberus

@Robusto I'm not altogether against some of the good things the Church does either. But in general I do not hold it in high esteem.

Matt Эллен

10:14 PM

bai

Cerberus

Bai!

If you are occupied exclusively with trying to sell stuff, that's not exactly related to content. Ideally, it shouldn't be necessary to spend money on advertising and such.

And yet big pharma spends more on that than on research, I believe.

Robusto

You're, what, 30 years old and I have to explain to you how Nederlanders make money?

Cerberus

So what?

Money is the dross of the earth.

It was never and will never be held in high esteem.

A necessary evil.

And when it becomes a goal rather than a means, that's when it is traditionally despised.

Traders are never the most respectable people in society.

Even though they are necessary.

Of course some hypocrisy is involved.

tchrist

10:33 PM

@RegDwighт Hail, Guru! Now I see you how you earned your beard.

MετάEd

10:50 PM

Today has been a cluster.

MετάEd

11:21 PM

"a pro-Santorum advocacy group will run online ads opposing the [Hagel{ nomination"

RegDwighт

11:36 PM

@tchrist I have but six. JSB and nohat have seven.

And good night all.

Mitch

@Mitch Your ad hominem reasoning is ludicrous given that I've spearheaded the effort to keep this proposal going while keeping it from becoming EL&U's toilet. That's where my concerns lie, so I'll drop this here. I'm glad to see your name in the Commitment list, so I hope you bring some of the constructive work you've done on English SE to the new site. Take care. — Robert Cartaino 29 mins ago

I didn't mean to touch a nerve but I guess I did.

Also, why don't you go 'take care' yourself. I mean that constructively.

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