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Are the following sentences correct? What different devices are used in this type of setting? What are the different devices that are used in this type of setting?

JSBձոգչ

4:08 PM

@Vitaly thanks!

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Too localized, proofreading, gen-ref, yada.

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A: What is the difference between a "stanza" and a "verse", as applied to English literature?

YOUR MOM TOLD ME SO TOO. got it?

Mitch

@Cerberus Yes, that title is in the callous/Daily Mirror/das Bild direction, but...not enough for me to have noticed I guess.

Cerberus

@Mitch I suppose it was extra annoying for me when I saw that link as the first "related" article to some actual article about the Greek economy and poverty.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

There is no das in Bild. And even when there is, it's die Bild.

Mitch

@Cerberus and 'Italy Earthquake' does sound weird, but it's a thing they do (the newspapers, not Italians)

@clabacchio you can use 'deeper' (but that might not be so obvious to your readers) 'closer to the leaves' uses more letters but says what you want. YOu may want to ask over at math.SE or CS.SE

Cerberus

4:13 PM

@Mitch Well, I don't see it nearly so often in American newspapers.

Mitch

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 oops...it feels like a 'das'

Cerberus

And it is certainly considered bad style by anyone.

Mitch

@Cerberus Italy earthquake or callousness?

Cerberus

Italy earthquake.

Mitch

hm...it' snot unknown to me, but hard to judge frequency..

Cerberus

4:14 PM

Nor "what does the nuclear bomb that fell on Tal Aviv today mean for your holiday plans?".

Mitch

seriously...that was a real headline?

KitFox

Italy earthquake = happened in Italy. Italian earthquake = caused by Italians.

Mitch

maybe it's just the wording or saying out loud what everybody naturally thinks.

Cerberus

@Mitch Haha, what do you think? How many nuclear bombs have fallen on Tel Aviv of late?

Mitch

Italian earthquake technology is to be the best.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

4:16 PM

@Mitch well the picture would be das. But not the paper.

Cerberus

@KitFox Italian earthquake could mean both, and, since Italians rarely cause earthquakes, I would say it would always be interpreted as "concerning Italy".

Mitch

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 Oh. stupid language. that has grammatical rules.

KitFox

I am just explaining why the papers use "Italy earthquake." Because people are stupid.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@Cerberus at any rate "Italy earthquake" is perfectly grammatical, and we even have a dedicated question, as pointed out earlier. Stop beating the poor dead horse.

Cerberus

@KitFox Oh, sure, OK.

Mitch

4:17 PM

Italy dead horse?

Italy earthquake dead horse.

KitFox

Exactly.

Cerberus

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 It is horrible style. I don't care about "grammar" in the way linguists use it: it is not a useful concept in everyday comments on actual language.

Mitch

A bit callous to be having headlines about such horses.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@Cerberus style is in the eye of the beholder.

Cerberus

"Grammar" specifically means "corresponding to predictions based on the syntactic model as used by linguist x", so it was explained to me by a linguist I like and respect.

Mitch

4:19 PM

@Cerberus People don't talk to each other saying 'Did you hear about the Italy earthquake?'

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

I don't care about your style, either. But I don't go around complaining on Reddit every time you put a shoe on.

KitFox

giggles

Cerberus

@Mitch Nobody would ever say that? That is a comforting thought.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Meanwhile on the main site people say we should say "an quote".

And I gotta run.

So later.

Cerberus

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 If we all did, our newspapers would be better!

Bye!

KitFox

4:20 PM

Bye!

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@Cerberus BBC is neither a newspaper, nor yours. Case closed.

Cerberus

Supposedly respectable websites, then.

QED.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Go fix your Dutch newspapers. Which you actually expressly try not to.

Cerberus

I do try.

But respectable Dutch newspapers are not as bad as "Italy earthquake", except the sports sections, but who reads those?

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

"I hate Dutch television, so I don't own a TV set". Well if you hate a web page, disconnect from the Internet. :P

Cerberus

4:22 PM

I know nobody who does.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Over and out.

Mitch

How come 'little oligarchs' got suspended?

Cerberus

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 The formerly respectable news on Dutch television is a lost cause.

But you are right in that I should consider the website of the BBC News a lost cause as well.

And I will disconnect from the Internet if that is what you recommend...

sad look at tubes

Mitch

@Cerberus The sports section is where all the art and innovation in news occurs.

Cerberus

@Mitch So the bad things.

By the way:

Just so you know how to fit in with the cool guys on Antarctica.

Firefox at 100 % now.

One continent down!!

Mitch

4:33 PM

The population is too transitory. Next week, all the laptops that come in in people's backpacks could have (shudder) IE.

(and the rest leave)

Cerberus

Yeah.

But still.

KitFox

5:23 PM

F-ck, I love boobs though.

JSBձոգչ

thanks for the update, Kit!

KitFox

I just really love 'em.

Matt Эллен

5:41 PM

@KitFox This boob and bust economy is gonna leave us in rack and ruin

KitFox

I don't really mind if I am behind, below, or above 'em.

Matt Эллен

bedoo beedooo

KitFox

I am so spexy it hurts.

Matt Эллен

:D no doubt!

I'm too spexy for this shirt

KitFox

And I do my little dance on the catwalk.

Alan Turing?

Alan M Turing.

Matt Эллен

5:48 PM

sadly, I don't get that reference

KitFox

No reference. I was just trying to remember.

He's my mock principal.

Matt Эллен

oh :D

JSBձոգչ

6:17 PM

have everyone seen my new movie trailer?

►

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

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Q: A word/phrase to describe something that's under development

Let's say I have an app and it is under development, not yet to be released. What's the best adjective (or phrase) to describe an app like that? The first two words that came to my mind are constructing, developing. But I found it awkward to use them.

single-word-requests expressions

ELU Lite.

KitFox

6:33 PM

@JSBձոգչ Damn, you are one sexy man.

user19161

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Q: "I see a red door, and I want it painted black", what does it mean?

It's unclear what the meaning of the statement is, and I've attempted to Google it and was unable to find an answer, though it's possible I'm Googling the wrong keywords.

metaphors

user19161

@JSBձոգչ I forgot your beard disappeared!

user19161

It means we need black paint. QED.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@JSBձոգչ Hahaha. /ˈeɪ.dʒɛnt/ — /pʀɔvɔkaˈtœʀ/? Yeah right. Stopped watching right there.

@ClarkKent yeah that one's funny. No context whatsoever.

user19161

Also, if the door were originally painted black, one may scrape off the red paint to uncover the black paint. That is an alternative solution.

JSBձոգչ

6:38 PM

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 i'm sorry my trailer displeased you.

KitFox

It means you have been watching a Rolling Stones tribute.

JSBձոգչ

though to be honest, it wasn't my favorite trailer either

KitFox

Who cares about the trailer? I just want to see me some half-naked Danny Craig.

JSBձոգչ

huh. i guess i'm going to go outside now.

@KitFox now that is a sentiment i can get behind.

user19161

@KitFox I want to see him in full naked glory!

user19161

6:39 PM

Why settle for half when you can have the full package?

KitFox

There's no need for that sort of crudity. Or crudité, if you prefer chopped vegetables.

And dip.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@ClarkKent I figure you haven't seen Casino Royale. That man doesn't have the full package. He's been left without any package at all.

KitFox

(overemphasize the p sound there to get my full inflection)

user19161

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 I have seen it and am trying to divine your hidden meaning.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@ClarkKent he gets kicked in the balls with... with... a planet the size of a planet.

Now tell me with a straight face he can still pee.

user19161

6:41 PM

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 Ah OK.

KitFox

> Hi Kit, I am testing students for the next 3 weeks so it is very difficult for me to address this. What info. do you need for [this student] ? thanks, [teacher]

user19161

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 That's why he's here answering our ELU questions!

KitFox

It will literally take me ten times as long just to tell her what I need.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@KitFox ten times as long as compared to what?

Ah! The three weeks?

All reading and no comprehension makes Reg a dull boy.

KitFox

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 If she would just log in and fill out the form.

Two multiple choice questions.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

6:44 PM

Oh. Hehehehehe.

Well it already took you ten times as long to open that mail, read it, and think about how useless it was.

Whatever happened to Microsoft's idea to charge people a small amount for every email sent? That was the single most brightest idea they ever had, and will have.

KitFox

I agree.

Not even ten times. Probably a thousand times.

Robusto

Hola, muchachos.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Hola chiquita muy bonita!

KitFox

Because I have a feeling she will email me back asking what the choices are, or with something that doesn't fit the choices, so I will have to email her again, etc.

@Robusto Hey! How are you!?

Robusto

Getting bettdr all the time.

user19161

6:47 PM

The interrobang has been reversed.

Robusto

Excspt for typing.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@Robusto yeah, you misspelled "getting bettl;dr".

KitFox

That's because you have to wait for my banging before you are interred.

user19161

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 This is so not funny! How did it get starred?

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@ClarkKent it's the wonders of JavaScript!

KitFox

6:49 PM

gasp

Mine eyes!

Robusto

Going home tomorrow. Can i get a Booyah?

user19161

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 I must remember that javascript is not java.

KitFox

BOOYAH!

user19161

@Robusto Buaya!

KitFox

@ClarkKent Much like a coffee cup is not coffee.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

6:50 PM

Buyakasha! Wagwan! Represent!

KitFox

Whoop whoop!

user19161

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 Geezis. I have no idea what you are saying.

Cerberus

Fries and egg salad.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@ClarkKent Geezis doesn't represent. Except your sins.

Cerberus

And tomatoes with mozzarella.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

6:50 PM

Yes, Geezis also represents tomatoes with mozzarella.

user19161

The above conversation shows that you are all nuts. QED.

Robusto

Hmm...those were some simple instructions.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@ClarkKent No, it only shows that Daniel Craig has none.

KitFox

NOOOO!!!!!

Whatever though.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

> An event is starting in 9 minutes in Teachers' Lounge - "Chat Cast #041"

Should be an em dash.

user19161

6:52 PM

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 They should provide some cookies.

Robusto

One more reason not to be a mod.

user19161

No cookies no talk.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@Robusto oh trust me, there are more than one more.

Robusto

No cookehz.

KitFox

I am really nervous. How strange.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

6:52 PM

It's Daniel Craig's balls.

user19161

@KitFox Why are you nervous?

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

17 secs ago, by RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

It's Daniel Craig's balls.

KitFox

I'm doing this presentation for the VIV.

In about ten minutes maybe.

user19161

@RegDwightΒВBẞ8 Coat them with cheese and you get cheeseballs.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

I want to unread that.

KitFox

6:53 PM

The project lead came in about 12:30 to let me know the time had changed.

user19161

@KitFox There can be miracles when you believe.

Cerberus

@Robusto We should run for mods and turn the site upside-down.

KitFox

Well, what if I don't believe?

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@Cerberus It already is upside-down.

user19161

@KitFox Well, I believe in you.

Cerberus

6:54 PM

@KitFox You will do fine.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

@KitFox then you don't have to listen to Mariah Carey. It is a plus.

Cerberus

You have always done well with anybody else.

KitFox

I just want to take drugs.

Cerberus

And this VIV is only hyped because of your silly lead.

KitFox

Oh! Coffee! Great idea!

Cerberus

6:54 PM

Or that.

KitFox

brb

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Junkie. Tsk tsk tsk.

KitFox

I don't need it.

I can quit anytime I want.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

Exactly.

KitFox

It's just been a tough week, that's all.

;-)

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

6:55 PM

Quitters, Inc.

James Woods will teach you how to drink coffee.

Another phrase I would have never expected myself to type.

user19161

Just open your mouth and drink, very simple.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

That's what he said.

user19161

He plagiarized me.

RegDwight ΒВBẞ8

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Q: Is it "me" or "I" and why?

I found a photo of Sarah, Thomas, James and I? OR I found a photo of Sarah, Thomas, James and me? "I" subject pronoun, photo "object", "me" object pronoun - or not as the case may be? I believe it is "me" not "I" but can you provide why this is so in terms of sentence structure. Thank you