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12:18 AM
@DavidCarlisle And the tick goes to…
 
@egreg the undeserving I assume
 
12:44 AM
@DavidCarlisle Of course not. :-P
 
 
8 hours later…
8:50 AM
LaTeX Warning: You have requested, on input line 26, version
`2018/02/21' of package expl3,
but only version
`2017/12/16 L3 programming layer (loader) '
is available.


! Package xparse Error: Support package l3kernel too old.
After this mornings update of TL ...
@JosephWright @DavidCarlisle any suggestions? ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer Got reported on our tracker: TeX Live must have picked up l3packages but not l3kernel
@ChristianHupfer Roll back l3packages until tomorrow
 
@JosephWright Ok, I will revert to the previous versions then... It's not a big deal for now, as I don't rely on 'features' of your current updates... (whatever they might be ;-))
@JosephWright Thank you
 
@ChristianHupfer Sure, very few people will do: the problem is I can't control what happens after the code goes to CTAN
@ChristianHupfer l3draw, l3color, mainly
 
@JosephWright I suspected some error on CTAN already. I didn't want to blame you ...
 
@ChristianHupfer It's not CTAN: everything gets installed in one go
 
8:58 AM
@JosephWright I will take a look on l3draw at some time. So far I've not used features of l3color directly.
@JosephWright Ok, let's assume some other weird error after CTAN
@JosephWright: Rolled back... everythings works as expected again
 
9:10 AM
@LoopSpace Wow, that's cool! :)
 
@ChristianHupfer it's OK, as we have determined It's not our fault
 
@DavidCarlisle oh
 
@DavidCarlisle Ok, for this time ;-)
 
topic is
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Q: How to scale algorithm to fit in one frame and centered in the frame at same time?

Yulong AoOriginally, the algorithm is too long to fit in the frame. If I use the \scalebox{0.8}{}, it can fit in the frame but doesn't look like to be centered in the frame. Here is the code and output. First picture is for the original code, second is for the code with scalebox. Are there any methods to ...

 
@alhelal really adding comments on ancient answers and then pinging people in chat is not the way to use this site!
 
9:18 AM
@alhelal Doubling the chat comment? Both refer to the same post
 
@ChristianHupfer yes. I am sorry. I deleted second one.
 
@alhelal that answer is talking about putting a minipage in scalebox, which is fine and your comment says you tried to use a block which is I assume a vertical construct you can not put any vertical construct such as displayed equations or center environments or lists etc in a horizontal box like scalebox
 
@DavidCarlisle As I need to complete my presentation slide, I have to do this, because actual answerer are not found.
 
@alhelal if you have a question make a small self contained test file and ask a question on the main site.
 
@DavidCarlisle I guessed that that may be duplicated of that question.
Do you say this is different problem?
I will post a new question within few minutes.
 
9:23 AM
@alhelal :you can reference that question and show how your attempt to addapt the answer failed, but adding comments on old answers is not the way to do it (and I, and others, wouldn't follow the external links)
 
@DavidCarlisle Thank you for your suggestion.
 
@alhelal I have no idea what your problem is other than you said you put a block in a scalebox (which is unlikely to work if you can not put a block in a \mbox)
 
@DavidCarlisle I put my algorithm in a block but as the content is large so full content is not shown in the frame.
 
@JosephWright Never did this. :) How do I rollback? :)
 
@alhelal are you sure you want to shrink it. Think of the audience no one wants to see more than 5 or 6 lines on a slide
 
9:26 AM
@DavidCarlisle: ^^ thesis does not compile, it's your fault. :)
 
@PauloCereda you get the * prompt I assume.
 
@DavidCarlisle :)
 
@alhelal you can put the inner content of the block in a minipage and shrink the minipage but I wouldn't
 
@DavidCarlisle Yes, you are right. But, as it is a algorithm it is useful to show in a frame. If I split this in many slide audience understand nothing.
@DavidCarlisle Yes, in my mentioned link they use minipage.
 
@JosephWright, @DavidCarlisle: done, l3packages reverted. :)
@DavidCarlisle: that means I could blame the L3 blokes that I cannot write my thesis...
 
9:29 AM
@DavidCarlisle Do you say without using minipage I can't do this.
e.g. small font for this frame
 
@alhelal I don't know in detail what "this" is but if you want to scale some vertical material (say two paragraphs, or a list or anything) then you need to put that material in a box and a minipage or parbox are the usual way, so irrespective of being a beamer block or an algorithm, a minipage in a scalebox (as in the answer that you link to above) is likely to be the expected way, but if you can use a font change instead such as \small that is often better than scaling
 
@PauloCereda you won the bet :)
 
@CarLaTeX Nutella pizza, please. :)
@AlanMunn ^^
 
@PauloCereda Oh no!
 
@CarLaTeX <3
 
9:38 AM
@PauloCereda I am sure you mean the \phantomthesis ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer ooh spooky
 
@PauloCereda Sounds tasty like lemons curry ...
 
@ChristianHupfer wink wink nudge nudge say no more
 
@PauloCereda "I've written a sketch" ;-)
 
9:54 AM
Some unusual rep number ;-)
 
arabtex sets < active in the preamble. Such packages should be banned to the moon. :-( It broke my expl3 comparisions.
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@UlrikeFischer Ooos
 
@JosephWright I got the error
! Undefined control sequence.
<argument> \LaTeX3 error:
                           Relation '\global ' unknown: use =, <, >, ==, !=,...
And this in the middle of a very large preamble (which also loads hebtex which loads again arabtex ...).
 
10:10 AM
@UlrikeFischer Convince Frank we should go with the 'fixed list of actives' plan ...
 
@JosephWright What's this?
 
@UlrikeFischer The fact that people choose various active chars is a pain: it would (I think) be better if a larger set of chars were active 'out of the box', and the kernel docs said 'Only use these ones'
@UlrikeFischer Of course, won't help with a package that was last updated in 2006
 
@JosephWright well it might, if the "known active" characters included the ones made active by the package...
 
@DavidCarlisle True, but < wasn't on my 'likely' list :)
 
@JosephWright you could make < work in OT1 (finally) (perhaps)
@JosephWright if we were doing anything I'd be tempted to make all punctuation characters active and \let to their catcode 12 versions by default
 
10:20 AM
@DavidCarlisle Does sound sensible actually
@DavidCarlisle I might try a few experiments: we could easily add the full list to \ExplSyntaxOn
 
@JosephWright Well I would prefer as less active ascii as possible. But the main problem is that this takes you sometimes by suprise. Perhaps the kernel could check for active chars at begin document and issue an error "BAD PRACTICE" if it finds some? (And offer commands to en-/disable the check if someone really wants to use a package which does this sort of things.)
 
@UlrikeFischer if for example & was active and let to its catcode-whatever version then the tikz matrix thing could change its definition without restriction on being nested, and as far as I can see most things would work as before
 
@JosephWright But would that help if a package like arabtex then gives < a complex definition and another package tries to use <= in some comparision?
 
@UlrikeFischer I like the BAD PRACTICE thing, perhaps we could hit the user in the head with a rolled newspaper. :)
 
@UlrikeFischer I'm thinking mainly in an expl3/LaTeX3 context, where code and document level are separate
 
@UlrikeFischer Back with the fixed list point: if we had a wider list, but said 'this is what is active', programmers could allow for it
 
I mysteriously jumped to the first place in the list!
 
yo'
@PauloCereda :D
 
@yo' :)
 
@PauloCereda Try to recruit people with surnames starting A or ideally Aaaa ;)
 
10:24 AM
@JosephWright oh I remember why we didn't do that, it doesn't work.
 
@JosephWright AAAAAAAH YOU CLEVER BOY YOU
@JosephWright We could register @DavidCarlisle
 
@JosephWright Yes but my usecase were \usepackage{arabtex}\usepackage{citeall} and boom.
 
@UlrikeFischer For expl3 code this is not a big issue: we can easily extend \ExplSyntaxOn. I can sort that today ...
@UlrikeFischer Really? Loads for me: there must be something I'm missing
 
@JosephWright a \let version doesn't work in csname, you can use macro version but then that expands so is trickier to control (perhaps)
 
@DavidCarlisle: are you impressed with my Japanese skills? oku.edu.mie-u.ac.jp/tex/mod/forum/…
 
10:26 AM
\let\zz*
\catcode`\*=13
\edef*{\string*}

\expandafter\show\csname tabular*\endcsname

\let*\zz
\expandafter\show\csname tabular*\endcsname
 
@JosephWright It explodes when you actually use \citeall (at begin document the bbl is read and tries to do the comparisions).
 
@PauloCereda no
 
(and no, that's not Google Translate on its glory. I asked a friend to help me with a proper translation. If he used Google Translate, that's outsourcing!)
@DavidCarlisle oh
@DavidCarlisle you are mean
 
@PauloCereda I could get @HaraldHanche-Olsen to point out that you have said that before
 
@DavidCarlisle Sure
@UlrikeFischer Ah
 
10:29 AM
@DavidCarlisle boo
 
You should definitely make a concerted effort to remove the cruft and deadwood from the document's preamble. The preamble you posted very much conveys a Cargo Cult feel, characterized chiefly by a "ritual inclusion of code or program structures that serve no real purpose". Do figure out what you really need, and then remove all directives that serve no purpose and/or are actually detrimental. — Mico 28 mins ago
Great comment!
 
@UlrikeFischer Ah, it's naughtier than I'd imagined: it entirely replaces \document ...
 
Feb 16 at 13:58, by Harald Hanche-Olsen
Jan 17 at 14:43, by David Carlisle
Jan 12 at 13:02, by Harald Hanche-Olsen
Nov 8 '17 at 10:40, by Harald Hanche-Olsen
Oct 17 at 6:51, by David Carlisle
24 hours ago, by Harald Hanche-Olsen
Oct 11 at 16:46, by David Carlisle
Sep 10 at 12:03, by David Carlisle
@HaraldHanche-Olsen do you ever get a feeling of déjà vu in this chat room?
@DavidCarlisle @PauloCereda Happy to oblige.
 
@HaraldHanche-Olsen ooh. :) however, it does not mention that @DavidCarlisle is not mean. :D
 
@PauloCereda If I wouldn't fear for your thesis I would suggest that you make a longer version of the brasilian ducks video.
@JosephWright Oh. I didn't see this. Perhaps the sun is a better place to ban the package.
 
10:33 AM
@UlrikeFischer ooh :)
 
> \document=macro:
->\a@document \setarab \setnone \input {apatch.sty}.
@UlrikeFischer ^^^
 
@UlrikeFischer Why do you fear for non-existent things?
 
@UlrikeFischer Doesn't even have \ignorespaces :(
 
@JosephWright Yes just tried this too.
 
@UlrikeFischer 'Run away'
 
10:36 AM
@JosephWright I can't. But the document does compile. One only has to be very carefull not change too many things ;-)
 
Hi mr. @marmot!
 
@PauloCereda Oh, no information about the silly activities? ;-)
 
10:51 AM
@JosephWright that all sounds familiar:)
 
@ChristianHupfer :)
 
 
2 hours later…
12:55 PM
Anyone getting an issue with recent `xparse`: ?
LaTeX Warning: You have requested, on input line 26, version
`2018/02/21' of package expl3,
but only version
`2017/12/16 L3 programming layer (loader) '
is available.
 
@Hugh Yes, reported in several places
 
@Hugh Rollback to the previous version of l3packages, it works then again
 
@Hugh Sadly, TeX Live didn't catch up with the entire L3 release.
@Hugh: tlmgr restore l3packages
It will show a revision number. Then you go with
 
@PauloCereda: I'll don't buy this L3 release -- it is scratched @JosephWright ;-)
 
 tlmgr restore l3packages <revision number>
@ChristianHupfer :D
 
12:57 PM
@PauloCereda: Another bad joke: My code is full of underscores ... ;-)
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@ChristianHupfer LOL
 
Thanks everyone -- this is a remote server. What's the revision number I should use?
 
@Hugh For me it was 46085... I think this is unique. You can look in tlpkg/backups for `l3packages.rxxxxx.tar.gz, where xxxx is the revision number.
 
@Hugh If you issue the first command, it will show the revision number for you, just use that one. :)
 
@PauloCereda tlmgr is written using EMACS hopefully ;-)
 
1:02 PM
@ChristianHupfer Perl
 
@PauloCereda Yes, that's the language. I meant the editor being used to write the tlmgr code...
 
@ChristianHupfer ed. :)
 
@PauloCereda As long it is not vim ...
 
@ChristianHupfer boo
 
@PauloCereda s/boo/yay!
@PauloCereda: A rule of thumb: Don't use editors with names starting with v or w, i.e. vi(m), WinEdt, Word, Write, Works ... ;-)
 
1:08 PM
@ChristianHupfer oi
 
@PauloCereda: <3
 
Arggh didn't work. No backups to restore.
 
@Hugh Perhaps the revision number was wrong? Or are there no backups at all?
 
No backups.$ tlmgr restore l3packages
Available backups for l3packages:
 
@Hugh uggh... I thought backups would be the default behaviour of TL
 
1:17 PM
I'm sure it is: but it's an Travis instance that has to be built every time.
(Sorry I thought tlmgr restore was the command to restore from CTAN.)
 
@Hugh Ah, in that case if you've copied my set up you'll have backups turned off
 
@Hugh The CTAN version is the one you have now
 
@Hugh There is tds.zip on ctan: mirrors.ctan.org/install/macros/latex/contrib/l3kernel.tds.zip. Unzip it somewhere outside texlive and then attach the root with tlmgr conf auxtrees add /path/to/root. you can remove it tomorrow with tlmgr conf auxtrees remove /path...
 
@Hugh Things should be back to normal tomorrow
 
Many thanks everyone. If it's only a matter of waiting till tomorrow, that's fine.
 
1:23 PM
@Hugh Hold the phone.
Do you have vanilla TL? Which OS do you use?
 
Vanilla TeXLive
Ubuntu
Via Travis. If you have a GitHub handle I could add you to the relevant repository
 
@Hugh Perhaps tlmgr being issued is the one from your OS and not the one you installed.
It happened to me with font issues.
* not the one from your vanilla TL install.
 
How should I check that?
 
@Hugh: tlmgr --version
tlmgr revision 46207 (2018-01-04 19:34:36 +0100)
tlmgr using installation: /usr/local/texlive/2017
TeX Live (http://tug.org/texlive) version 2017
 
@ChristianHupfer: some OS'es might use different paths when issued with sudo, so tlmgr --version and sudo tlmgr --version in Fedora will yield different things (the first being vanilla TL in my path, while the second is the system version from my root path).
I always use the full tlmgr path just to be sure.
For me, it would be /opt/texbin/tlmgr --version.
 
1:28 PM
Although I thought there were recent changes to tlmgr ... the revision number is puzzling me
 
@ChristianHupfer, @PauloCereda AS @Hugh has an up-to-date TL, he must be using vanilla: the Ubuntu packaged version lags behind
 
@PauloCereda: All trials with tlmgr with different path prefixes give the same output
 
@ChristianHupfer cool
 
@JosephWright yes, apparently
 
@JosephWright it does not hurt checking. :)
 
1:29 PM
@PauloCereda I am not using Fedora, of course :-P
 
@ChristianHupfer :)
 
Ha now ruby has fallen over
So I can't run tlmgr --update
 
1:49 PM
@Hugh Ruby?
 
Sorry: the build process installs ruby first then some other things then TeX.
Ruby won't install so it's just fails early.
 
Ah. :)
 
@PauloCereda Hello Mr. Duck!
 
@marmot Hello mr. marmot! How are you?
 
@PauloCereda Drowsy. It's hibernation time. How are you?
 
2:02 PM
@marmot In a hurry, writing a thesis. :)
 
@marmot The forecasts for Sunday say “maximum 2℃, minimum −2℃”. Better stay in hibernation.
 
@PauloCereda No need to hurry. Life afterwards is not really better.
 
@marmot he has to finish before tug2018 otherwise lots of people are going to cross an ocean to be rude to him in person
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@egreg Well, not everywhere. But we also have very cold weather here.
@DavidCarlisle Oh, are you saying that you will destroy his pizza with pineapple?
 
@marmot Siberian wind: on Tuesday the minimum should be −6℃.
 
2:07 PM
@marmot I don't think pineapple would go with nutella, do you? (but I'm not going:-)
 
@marmot uh-oh
@DavidCarlisle ooh Nutella pizza is good.
 
@PauloCereda You're going to make enemies among Italians.
 
@PauloCereda but do you want all the Italians turning up and saying you have to add pineapple to make it a real pizza
 
@egreg oopsie
@DavidCarlisle ^^
 
2:08 PM
@marmot are you located in the US, mr. marmot?
(sorry if it's too intrusive to ask)
 
@PauloCereda Yes
 
@marmot oh :)
@barbarabeeton: quack!
@JosephWright: ooh barbara will go first on the registration list!
 
@PauloCereda Don't worry, I am not an American and do not own a gun ;-)
 
@marmot ooh a good marmot <3
 
@PauloCereda -- quack back. (i'm not really here. computers went down yesterday afternoon, and i'm still recovering.)
 
2:20 PM
@barbarabeeton oh get well soon! <3
 
@PauloCereda -- oh, i'm okay. it's the computers that are unwell.
 
@barbarabeeton Phew, glad to hear! :) We could offer the computers a nice cup of tea.
 
2:42 PM
@barbarabeeton When you are saying that the computer went down, does it mean you have to work in the basement?
 
3:15 PM
@marmot -- no. the ams headquarters office is built on a concrete slab, so there is no basement. (the computer room, constructed when such things were necessary, does have a "raised floor", which really means the slab is about a foot lower, and the entire floor is level to walk on in this wing.) but the unix development machine i work on suddenly became unavailable, soon after the announcement was made that all windows workstations had to be rebooted on account of microsoft updates. fie.
 
@barbarabeeton Seems like you have a very compassionate unix machine. ;-)
 
3:48 PM
@DavidCarlisle There is no need to fly over the ocean to be rude to @PauloCereda ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer oh no
 
@ChristianHupfer Being rude to @DavidCarlisle in person was much more fun than in chat. ;-)
 
@egreg Yes, everybody needs some hobby ;-)
@PauloCereda <3 ... rude = reminding you of your thesis ...
 
@ChristianHupfer … or just saying “dinnertime”!
 
@HaraldHanche-Olsen 'cookies' is shorter ;-)
@PauloCereda: Do you want to have some cookies? ;-)
 
4:03 PM
@ChristianHupfer Oh, cookies. Where? ;-)
 
@marmot I believe you and @PauloCereda are the same person ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer Nononono. You are making this up just in order not to give us an appropriate amount of cookies.
 
@marmot I didn't say I have cookies. I just asked whether some user wants to have some... In fact I don't have any cookie here ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer Too bad. Pizza?
 
@marmot No...the cat has eaten it (@PauloCereda ;-))
 
4:11 PM
@ChristianHupfer How do you survive, then?
 
@marmot @TorbjørnT. @CarLaTeX is there any way to force an arrow tip specification such as -{Straight Barb[]} within tikzpicture, such that all lines with \draw will use this tip automatically?
@marmot Do you mean in general or just today?
 
@ChristianHupfer Both. (And you do not want \tikzset{>={Straight Barb[]}} or something like this, right?)
 
@marmot I have only 'vectors' to draw, no other content, so >={Straight Barb[]} works actually. Or is that bad?
 
@ChristianHupfer I do not think it is bad, but of course you still have to say \draw[->] ... and I was wondering if you also want to get rid of [->].
 
@marmot: I think I could get rid of that with a style?
 
4:18 PM
Today is a very tough day, my department made me give a presentation using keynote. Really cruel.
 
@ChristianHupfer \begin{tikzpicture}[-{Straight Barb[]}] should work or what you said, of course
 
@ChristianHupfer Sure, but then you have to say \draw[ChristianHupferStyle].
 
@marmot the style isn't transported to anything then with \begin{tikzpicture}[foo]?
@CarLaTeX Thanks
 
@ChristianHupfer \node (mp) {Mein Hovercraft ist voller Aale};
 
@PauloCereda s/Hovercraft/Luftkissenboot ;-)
 
4:22 PM
@ChristianHupfer ooh a boat
 
@ChristianHupfer Of course, I just did not know what you had in mind. Anyway, @CarLaTeX made the best suggestion, I think.
 
Luftputefartøyet mitt er fullt av ål
@HaraldHanche-Olsen ^^
 
@ChristianHupfer You're welcome!
 
@marmot Yes, that was helpful. Thank you very much @CarLaTeX. I had to remove the explicit -> then
@marmot @CarLaTeX: Now I am going to ask an opinion-based and too - broad - question: Why are tikz's default arrow tips so ugly? ;-)
 
@PauloCereda Porque é que o hovercraft seu cheia de enguias?
 
4:27 PM
@ChristianHupfer very ugly! Ask Tantau! :):):)
 
@ChristianHupfer try \documentclass{article}
\usepackage{tikz}
\usetikzlibrary{positioning}
\begin{document}
$a\to b$
\tikz[baseline=(a.base)]{\node(a){$a$};\node[right=10pt of a](b){$b$};
\draw[->](a)--(b);}
\end{document}
I think that the Ti*k*Z standard arrow is as ugly as the LaTeX arrow.
 
@HaraldHanche-Olsen Google Translate failed you. :)
 
@marmot True, but I never claimed that \to is nice ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer Sure. I only guess that the idea was to make something that resembles the \to so that one can "decorate" equations with TikZ.
 
@marmot Perhaps...
 
4:38 PM
@ChristianHupfer But of course one may wonder why -latex does not produce the LaTeX \to. Probably it would have been better to switch the roles of these two.
 
@CarLaTeX and @marmot: Your suggestions were very useful -- it works like a charme
@marmot: That would 'break' 'old' code?
 
@ChristianHupfer Sure, now it's too late. Of course you could write a package that does that. ;-)
 
@marmot ... after fixing some of my own packages and ... and other issues ... perhaps ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer Cool. How are you going to call it? duckify?
 
@marmot Well, my first idea was finallymakethetikzstandarrowtipslooknice, but duckify is shorter and does reveal the purpose of the package immediately ;-)
 
4:47 PM
@ChristianHupfer It will be the most useful package ever!
 
@PauloCereda I blame @DavidCarlisle
 
@HaraldHanche-Olsen :)
 
5:03 PM
8 hours ago, by David Carlisle
@ChristianHupfer it's OK, as we have determined It's not our fault
 
5:18 PM
@DavidCarlisle if some dumb package reserves two write registers it doesn't use is it ok to reset the allocation counter like this or there something better?
\documentclass{article}
\newwrite\myoutwrite
\newwrite\mymessages
\advance\count17 by -2
\let\myoutwrite\undefinedwritecommandthatitnotusedanyway
\def\mymessages{0}
\begin{document}
\immediate\write\mymessages{XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX}
\end{document}
 
5:29 PM
@UlrikeFischer Be sure no other package allocates other write streams in the meantime
 
@egreg The commands are directly below the offending package (and it is not meant for a general solution, only for one document which fails due to "no room for a write"). I don't mind if I get errors if I was wrong and the package needs the writes, I only don't want some silent failures somewhere.
 
@UlrikeFischer You can get failures if the package actually does \closeout\mymessages before you're ready to close your own stream.
 
@UlrikeFischer probably safe enough or zapping \newwrite before loading the package would be safer (if it doesn't need any write streams at all)
 
@UlrikeFischer I think that you should do your \newwrite after stepping back the counter.
 
@egreg Oh, \mymessages is not my stream. It is a stream of the package which looks as if it is only meant for log messages. So I'm only trying not to kill (even if it looks unused) but to redirect it to the log-stream.
 
5:40 PM
@UlrikeFischer @UlrikeFischer Then you should also do the same for \myoutwrite
 
@UlrikeFischer \chardef\mymessages20 (or use luatex and give yourself more write streams:-)
 
@egreg Somewhere in the code it (arabtex) makes an "openout" to a file for this stream. It wasn't used in my document but I wanted to force a real error just in case. The second is an example from xstring which contains "\newwrite\@xs@message" for as far as I can no real reason.
@DavidCarlisle Would you want to convert a 400 page document in latin1, with greek, arabic and hebrew text and four indices to luatex? ;-) I'm grateful I managed to remove morewrites without breaking it.
 
6:23 PM
@UlrikeFischer no I'd just suggest you do it:-)
 
@DavidCarlisle But languages are your speciality.
 
@AlanMunn as is delegation
 
@DavidCarlisle :) Yes, you seem to have managed to delegate the 'offensive pizza comments' to @PauloCereda now.
 
@AlanMunn But I am the adorable duck while David is the mean English bloke. :)
 
Jun 29 '17 at 16:15, by Paulo Cereda
@DavidCarlisle you are not mean :)
 
6:32 PM
@AlanMunn more delegation in action
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@DavidCarlisle lol
 
@AlanMunn oh
 
@PauloCereda to adapt Oscar Wilde: "the eatable quarreling with the unspeakable" ;-)
 
@UlrikeFischer 'oh no
 
@PauloCereda I just learned what "ISS" means ;-)
 
6:44 PM
@UlrikeFischer our taxes? :)
 
@PauloCereda yes.
 
@UlrikeFischer uh-oh
 
@PauloCereda you pay for the space station out of your taxes?
 
@DavidCarlisle it's other acronym. :)
 
@PauloCereda is and only is ?
 
6:55 PM
@DavidCarlisle :)
Imposto sobre serviços
Taxes on services
 
@DavidCarlisle “Depends what the meaning of ‘is’ is.” – Bill Clinton
 
@PauloCereda I think you would be better to send your money to the space station.
 
@DavidCarlisle In Brazil, the taxpayer's money already goes to space... :(
 
@DavidCarlisle cute :)
 
7:18 PM
Interesting that not everything on this site is translated developer.mozilla.org/kab/docs/Web/SVG (just did a search for "svg" and it decided I needed to see it in ... whatever language that is)
 
@DavidCarlisle They have no use for it up there. No shops.
 
7:30 PM
@marmot Sorry I was away -- yes, you're right ;-)
@HaraldHanche-Olsen When did Bill Clinton say that?
 
@LoopSpace Google says it's Norwegian!
@LoopSpace: by the way, want a surprise? :)
 
@marmot: Given my knowledge about TikZ I suspect the release and uploading of duckify to CTAN in about 20 years, which might be yet before L3 is published ;-)
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@PauloCereda Wikipedia says it is en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kabyle_language
@PauloCereda Of course
 
@LoopSpace ooh :)
@LoopSpace writing an email
 
@PauloCereda frantically clicking refresh
 
7:41 PM
@LoopSpace <3
 
@ChristianHupfer Can't say for sure, but I think it was during the impeachment procedures.
 
@LoopSpace sent!
 
@HaraldHanche-Olsen Ah, the infamous L - scandal... unbelievable that this happened 20 years ago... I am getting old
 
@ChristianHupfer lobsters
OOH A MATHEMATICIAN
 
@PauloCereda What? Where?
 
7:48 PM
@PauloCereda Yes, the famous Lobster Scandal Bill Clinton was involved in ;-)
 
@HaraldHanche-Olsen @MatthewLeingang :)
@ChristianHupfer :D
 
@PauloCereda: Monica Lobster ... that was the name ;-)
 
@ChristianHupfer Bill Klingon. :)
 
@PauloCereda Well, that makes at least three of us, then.
 
@PauloCereda Quaplah!
 
7:51 PM
Hi! I have a localized issue, so I am guessing it's not worth asking a question. I did a tlmgr update --all and now my xparse.sty is asking for a expl3.sty that's newer than the one installed by tlmgr update l3kernel.
 
@LoopSpace: now I am not sure I used the correct email....
 
@MatthewLeingang Yeah, we know. Um, there is a way back … let me check …
 
@PauloCereda: I interrupt this sketch chat -- it is getting more and more silly ...
 
@MatthewLeingang oh it's a known issue! For now, we need to restore one revision of l3packages until CTAN syncs the entire L3 build.
 
7 hours ago, by Paulo Cereda
 tlmgr restore l3packages <revision number>
 
7:53 PM
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Q: LuaLaTex stopped working in TeXLive 2017

Marcel S.After the latest TeXLive updates I keep getting these errors: LaTeX Warning: You have requested, on input line 26, version `2018/02/21' of package expl3, but only version `2017/12/16 L3 programming layer (loader) ' is available. ! Package xparse Erro...

@MatthewLeingang: Ignore the LuaLaTeX issue -- it's the same problem you have (and I had this morning)
 
@PauloCereda yes, that is my precise issue.
How do I find the correct revision number to roll back to?
 
@MatthewLeingang See @HaraldHanche-Olsen's message. To find the revision number, issue the same command without the revision part, it will list all revisions found.
 
But seriously, I thought this problem was fixed? Why are we still hearing about it?
 
@MatthewLeingang tlmgr restore l3packages
 
@HaraldHanche-Olsen It's not fixed until the correct CTAN version is fetched from TL -- for some reasons only the l3packages made it to TL, the kernel packages were not updated to TL
 
7:55 PM
@MatthewLeingang Look at the messages previous to the one I linked to.
 
It will list all revisions, pick the highest number (if more than one).
(fingers crossed)
 
@PauloCereda: I've never seen more than one revision being listed ...
 
@ChristianHupfer Neither did I!
 
@PauloCereda It's okay to pick the highest number even if there is only one.
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@PauloCereda @HaraldHanche-Olsen Thanks, that worked.
 
7:57 PM
@HaraldHanche-Olsen or the lowest then ;-)
 
@HaraldHanche-Olsen that's math talk. :)
@MatthewLeingang yay! /dances
 
@PauloCereda Sorry, I'll go wash my mouth with soap now.
 
@ChristianHupfer This will be still well before \marmot really works.
 
@marmot What is \marmot supposed to do?
 
@HaraldHanche-Olsen I wub you. <3
 
7:59 PM
@ChristianHupfer This is not clear yet, and this is part of the reason why it takes so long to write it.
 
@ChristianHupfer Isn't \marmot a primitive?
 
@marmot Ah... that explains it most likely. For sure, \marmot will be released before @PauloCereda's \phantomthesis?
 
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