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@badp hah, sweet
@StrixVaria I have to keep reminding myself that the beta is just Normal A1 and that D2's normal A1 is a joke as well
as it stands it doesn't really matter what skills you pick - just hit the buttons until everything dies, thinking not really necessary
@IanPugsley I know it's going to be hard. I'm not worried about that.
I just hope it's fun hard and not frustrating hard.
As much as possible.
I have yet to try Witch Doctor and Barbarian, I really need to get around to that
I'm not in the beta, but I've played through as Witch Doctor and Monk.
Which are the 2 I'm considering for a first character when it officially launches.
9:05 PM
@StrixVaria I've liked everything I've tried so far (Monk, Demon Hunter, and Wizard)
Yeah they were both really fun to play.
@GraceNote Yes.
Hm... security can be said to be a means of defense, right?
@GraceNote depends on the context of both words (security and defense)
Security in the sense of, say, "Network security", and defense as a means of repelling enemy attack or damage.
9:09 PM
@GraceNote I'd say that various defense methodologies would be considered an aspect of network security
ask on English.SE! :P
Well, consequently, they say the best defense is a good offense. What can't hit you, can't hurt you, aye?
And a good defensive offense would be, say, taking out your enemies while they are still miles off in the distance, long before you yourself are even in range of their attacks, eh?
@GraceNote a better defense would be not getting into the conflict at all, which wouldn't be particularly offensive I don't think
disclaimer: I am terrible at words, despite English being my only language - do not believe anything I say on the subject
@spugsley is the English major, she does my wording for me
@IanPugsley Yeah, but pacifism wouldn't help me find a way to add Toybox Girl to my gallery.
Q: Are boxed PC retail copies of Skyrim region locked?

nuit5I've heard that all PC copies of Skyrim require Steam activation and am wondering if this is forcing region locking. I want to buy a UK copy of Skyrim and be able to activate/play it in the USA. Can this be done without modifying the game?

@GraceNote do you need to beat somebody up to accomplish this?
9:14 PM
@IanPugsley Not in their face, no
@GraceNote ...Who?
@GraceNote nutpunching is considered a pretty good defense, I bleev
@GnomeSlice Toybox Girl
@IanPugsley I was working from a predefined ideal destination point, which was "Superior artillery fire"
Also, desktop app of the day: Winyl
@GraceNote That's not terribly helpful.
@GraceNote mortars are just the nutpunching of war
hit 'em hard enough that they're scrambling to recover instead of fighting back
9:16 PM
This is more of a Cruise Missile situation.
@GraceNote * is just the nutpunching of war
@GnomeSlice I don't much expect anyone to recognize her, no. Quite frankly I'd be amazed to see anyone here who natively recognized her or her name.
@GraceNote I was pretending you were talking about Tank Girl
@IanPugsley That's be Yu-ri, who while I also employ as an "Artillery girl in my avatars", is distinctly not Toybox Girl.
@badp Gingerbread can't possibly win.
9:19 PM
Well another TV series is gone. I hate finishing things.
I kinda like things that finish. Endless show seasons get so stagnant and you just wonder how the hejudas some of these are still running.
It's like a good book, or a good game.
@GnomeSlice Ultimately, if you refresh, it'd probably answer your question by now
@GraceNote I don't want Naruto to ever ever ever end
I like things that have an end.
Unlike Lost -.-
I don't want it to be endless, just not end now
@StrixVaria Hahahaha
9:21 PM
There's a distinct sadness in knowing there's not ever going to be more of something you like.
@GraceNote I feel dirty for thinking that was a racy image at first glance.
While more shit stuff keeps going on and on and on and on.
Generally part of what makes something good is a contained, well-thought-out beginning and end.
Going on and on and on goes hand in hand with being awful.
@GnomeSlice I'm perturbed that it was your first conclusion.
That does not help soothe that sadness though.
9:23 PM
@GraceNote From the larger chat thumbnail it looks like.... yeah, it's not.
@badp There is a distinct sadness, yes, but at the same time, there's a distinct happiness to seeing that closure. Also buying the box set.
> clicked through to the android food fight site
> I have no idea what I'm doing
Also I guess I should see if my ROM has any updates
@ThomasMcDonald I've neglected my phone so bad
9:28 PM
@GraceNote It depends really on the actual ending. The last of Harry Potter left me kind of satisfied. The last of the Lord of The Rings left me more confused than sad. The last of Eragon just left me sad.
@IanPugsley I set about installing a custom ICS rom the other day.
True, it does depend. Personally, I still prefer a downer ending over something continuing endlessly, but that's not for everyone.
Took me all afternoon/evening to backup, downgrade, root, flash, flash again and restore.
@ThomasMcDonald I did that for...Froyo, and haven't done anything with it since
The day after, there was an update posted for the ROM.
9:30 PM
I had an OTA update for Froyo, which I had to remove.
@ThomasMcDonald I got impatient waiting for the Froyo OTA and just installed a prerelease build
I've been thinking about trying out MIUI
Yeah, I've been looking at that as well
to be honest I had to flash the ROM twice for it to work because I'm an idiot
it makes me practically an expert in rom fumbling
@GraceNote Oh, I do semi-unconsciously try and avoid to even get into stuff that I know doesn't really have an ending.
9:32 PM
@ThomasMcDonald perhaps I'll come to you when I inevitably fail
sure, I can google it for you
@ThomasMcDonald lol
my first go-around I had to go as far as ask people in the Samsung Fascinate IRC channel for help :/
I hadn't realised how temporary the temproot you get when downgrading was
@badp I usually get into things under the expectation of it having an ending. For example, Chuck went on a couple seasons longer than I felt it should have.
> Art, and the Indie Game
...Eh, I can live with that title.
9:34 PM
I dunno. Can you imagine something like Half Life having a full ending?
@IanPugsley is playing a game called "how many times can I get away with saying nutpunching?"
Playing through the last level of the game knowing that it's the last bit of Half Life you'll ever play?
@badp It hit Episode 2. As far as I can tell, this means it has ended.
The naming convention for the Half-Life games is one of the most supremely stupid things I've ever seen.
@badp Also, as someone who regularly cherishes completing games... yes.
9:36 PM
@RonanForman At least TV in the UK knows when to let a series end.
@OrigamiRobot is playing a game called "be part of a conversation that's twenty minutes old"
@GraceNote Short of an announcement from Valve saying that they've cancelled Episode 3 and abandoned the HL universe entirely forever, then no, it hasn't ended.
@badp It's more of an "End by eternal delay to the next installment", I figure.
@GraceNote That's just being incomplete, rather than being over.
@badp is that android thing SE related?
9:37 PM
@badp Not every ending has to be a good one.
@GnomeSlice Food Fight? Yes, it is.
@IanPugsley I'm sorry, I came back to my machine and my screen was full of references to nutpunching. What do you want me to do? Not call you out on it?
Is @GnomeSlice in love?
@OrigamiRobot Didn't you already do that?
@OrigamiRobot Wh... what?
@GraceNote He was fussing at me for it.
@GnomeSlice Your eyes really look like hearts.
@OrigamiRobot Uh...
9:39 PM
Wouldn't a 3x3 heart probably have the top-center empty?
o o - ooo
ooo - ooo
 o  - ooo
@GraceNote That's not the kind of ending that gives you the heart-sinking feeling I'm talking about at either way
Q: Can I increase the number of allowed saves?

FallenAngelEyesIt seems that, unlike the first game, Mass Effect 2 (inexplicably) has a save limit. I currently have 50 full save slots and the game will not let me make any others. In ME1, there was a PC tweak where you could edit a .ini file in order to increase the number of allowed saves. However, I can't f...

Q: dragon claw doors are not opening in skyrim

Renno ManFor some reason the dragon claw doors are not opening for me. I have the right dragon claw for the door. I am putting the right code in but its not opening it just shoots poison darts at me

@badp That's why I called it a "bad ending" as opposed to as "downer ending"
I guess no ending at all can be interpreted as a bad ending.
@GraceNote @GnomeSlice I mean when I see a larger version it stops looking like hearts, but in the user list it really looks like hearts.
9:42 PM
Ah well.
@OrigamiRobot I can surmise your vision of it, but I'd been stuck on them being something I'm not quite sure what it is since then, but never figured hearts mehself.
Heh, that minecraft vid's getting views.
@RonanForman Which one?
Pretty good for something I saw in theMC forums.
Question: Is it worth revising my earlier answer re: shopping questions to include a more fully fleshed out version of the 'pants test' I mention in the comments?
Because the more I think about it, the more I feel like it is a fairly good litmus for whether a question belongs.
"Could this question be about a pair of pants instead of a video game and still make sense and recieve the same answer?"
9:50 PM
@LessPop_MoreFizz I think that might help your point.
@LessPop_MoreFizz Which answer is this?
@LessPop_MoreFizz I love this test.
A: Are questions about game companies' policies on-topic?

LessPop_MoreFizzSince nobody has actually proposed an answer that amounts to 'no', I'll step up and do so for the sake of voting, since simple downvotes on Badp and Oaks answers aren't really the same as having something to upvote. So really, there are actually two questions here. There's the one being asked in...

Oh, that one
@origami When do you finish working?
10:07 PM
Q: A loop of closed Mass Effect questions

m3tron0meI'm kind of having an issue with a question I had closed and not sure what to do about it, so thought I would bring it to attention here. I originally asked about changes imported from ME1 to ME2. Recently I wanted to ask about changes from ME2 DLCs to ME3, since enough reviews are popping up t...

More specifically, when can you play minecraft?
@RonanForman I get off in an hour, but I was planning on watching TV with the Pugsleys. How late will you be up?
Wow, that late. Ermm..
So sleepie
@RonanForman You're in the later timezone. When is too late for you?
10:10 PM
Around now.
@Lazers This question text makes my brain hurt
A: Are questions about game companies' policies on-topic?

LessPop_MoreFizzSince nobody has actually proposed an answer that amounts to 'no', I'll step up and do so for the sake of voting, since simple downvotes on Badp and Oaks answers aren't really the same as having something to upvote. So really, there are actually two questions here. There's the one being asked in...

Now with Pants Test!
@Origami Do you work especially late? Or are we really far apart?
@RonanForman I'm UTC-5
10:17 PM
I can't read clocks.
@LessPop_MoreFizz I've already done that for arguing that FRAPS should be on topic...
well, at least on surface
reads more carefully
@RonanForman It is 5:18 here. I work till 6:00
@badp Note that the Pants test doesn't imply that anything which passes it automatically should be on topic. It is an eliminating, not qualifying test.
@LessPop_MoreFizz Well, it is also qualifying in my eyes. If the answer does change, it's probably worth investigating how. Do you have counterexamples in mind?
@Origami I don't think this will work.
We could do weekends, but that kind of limits things.
10:20 PM
@RonanForman That's why I said weekends would work best. Or you could just stay up late. :P
@OrigamiRobot Or you could just bail out of work early.
@StrixVaria You can work for me!
Don't do that.
@OrigamiRobot I am bad at electrical engineering or whatever it is you do.
@badp In terms of it being a qualifying test? Sure.
Q: Which OS can you load on an iMac G4?

CraigI have stumbled upon an iMac G4: Upon booting it has a series of user account to which I have no idea what the password might be. Obviously a reinstall is in order. Which OSes will work and, more to the point, which will work well?

10:21 PM
@RonanForman I got off at 12pm on Fridays.
Changing the variables in that question to Pants makes it incomprehensible and/or changes the answer.
That doesn't make it on topic.
@StrixVaria I wish I was actually doing electrical engineering right now.
@OrigamiRobot What are you doing?
@StrixVaria Right now it's more of a doc control gig. I hope to be moving to engineering soon.
Fridays are busy for me. Also we might as well do weekends if we're on friday.
10:24 PM
@LessPop_MoreFizz uh... I have stumbled upon a pair of Levis. Upon wearing them, they asks me who I am and... uhh... pants test passed. And the question is good for SU. Your point?
@RonanForman What timezone is @John in?
@OrigamiRobot Yours.
Oh wait, I got it wrong
I need to replace the video game parts of the questions
@badp Right. The question of "What OS will work on my pants" is incoherent. Therefore, it passes the Pants Test - if you changed the subject to Pants, the question doesn't make sense, and /or the answer is unchanged.
there's no video game parts in that question
so the question is unchanged and so is the answer, thus it doesn't belong on Gaming.
10:26 PM
@LessPop_MoreFizz I definitely need to know if a particular OS will work on my pants.
@OrigamiRobot I never want to know what kind of pants you are wearing that they require an OS.
> You there, computer man. Fix my pants.
@LessPop_MoreFizz Clearly, awesome pants.
@Origami I'm kinda letting down this group aren't I.
10:27 PM
@LessPop_MoreFizz Robot pants.
@RonanForman Just move to UTC-5 :P
That video I've just linked is actually relevant to this discussion, by the way.
@RonanForman What time can you do?
@GnomeSlice Hey! That's an improvement!
@John Watch it.
@GnomeSlice I'm too busy watching my builder build my townhall.
@GnomeSlice Is this something from Frisky Dingo? I can't see it. If it isn't, it should be.
10:29 PM
@OrigamiRobot No, it's the IT crowd.
> You there! Computer man! Fix my pants!
That is also acceptable.
After 5pm UTC and before midnight really but I'd rather not go too late as I'm too lazy to get up anyway.
@StrixVaria thanks for fixing my a words
It's people like you that make me look smarter than the blithering idiot I actually am.
@RonanForman Ok, @OrigamiRobot what days can you do between noon and 7?
@John Friday, Saturday, Sunday.
10:31 PM
Okay, I am now totally convinced I cannot play DotA 2 until they implement a tutorial.
@OrigamiRobot Then those are our options.
I take it nobody watched it.
@GnomeSlice I watched it, then began to wish I hadn't.
@John :[
@John LOL I think I will unclick it :)
10:33 PM
@James Oh relax, it's from a TV show.
@GnomeSlice I can't relax! Ill fall asleep :( (7am should be illegal)
Okay, new plan! We wait 4 years, I move to canada, then we play.
@John I do know what you look like.
@RonanForman ROFL
@James I also know what your headphone look like.
10:35 PM
@Wipqozn I figured. Seeing as there are pictures of me and stuff.
@RonanForman Um...
@Wipqozn Wrong J to be @'ing I think :)
@Origami You don't happen to have stupidly long lunch breaks on Tuesday's do you?
@RonanForman I lol'ed.
There, now everyone knows what I look like too.
10:36 PM
@GnomeSlice I love the IT Crowd. "Pull down my pants and do your job!"
@RonanForman Sounds good!
@RonanForman We could become room mates!
@GnomeSlice You heard Madeon's track?
@GnomeSlice There. A compliment from @ArdaXi. You should be happy now.
I still wish they'd kept the original Mr. Renholm.
@ThomasMcDonald Which one?
Pop Culture?
@GnomeSlice IS that George Clooney?
10:36 PM
@RonanForman So you can't do between 5 and midnight UTC on Friday, Saturday or Sunday?
@GnomeSlice Yeah, although I loved the way they got rid of him.
@Wipqozn No.
user image
@ThomasMcDonald I have not.
@ArdaXi Now -that- is an exit.
@Wipqozn We could have a sitcom! With theme music!
Not sure if it has quite the same charm as Pop Culture or his remix of Raise Your Weapon
@RonanForman The "Laverne and Shirley" of our day.
@RonanForman Its a show about nothing! I think you might have something there.
10:38 PM
My internet is shitting itself. I'll check it out later.
@John I can on the weekend, but once a week may be too infrequent.
plus Kito's remix of Noisia's Split the Atom is pretty dapper
@RonanForman I'd say once a week is better than nothing for 4 years.
I think their album came out today. I should buy it.
@RonanForman that's a great idea!
10:39 PM
We could record 2 episodes at once maybe, getting two challenges each week.
We'll sort that out later, Saturday it is!
@ArdaXi I remember the olden days when "Play Skeleton King!" was the means of tutorial.
@RonanForman Ok. I assume @OrigamiRobot will be hosting? Obviously we can get some later challenges from YouTube comments, but where should our first ones come from?
In retrospect, I can't even be sure how I originally learned to play DotA, considering I had never even touched Warcraft 3 to begin with prior.
@GraceNote I started with LoL
@GraceNote I am having this predicament with Dota 2
10:42 PM
@GraceNote Ah, see, I wasn't really into gaming back then.
@John I should have no problem hosting. Our first challenge can be setting up a rudimentary base.
Ah, as is Arda.
.. And ended with LoL now that I think about it :D
@ThomasMcDonald So is @Arda
@James Heh
So I've got DotA 2 now...
10:42 PM
@OrigamiRobot But there should be something unique about this base. A plain old base is too easy.
But I can't play it for fear of letting whomever I'm teamed up with down.
Yeah, I've played against bots a couple of times
@RonanForman I assume you want us all recording if possible.
Yeah, I had schoolmates to play with - we already had a team of 5 by the time I was introduced to DotA.
So I didn't have to worry about letting people down.
but still
10:44 PM
@Origami If you can send to footage over easily.
@John We have a whole room full of people.
@GraceNote I've got a team of 5 alright, just not 5 people with access to DotA 2.
@ArdaXi Are they 5 who are wanting to DotA2?
Ivo has Dota 2 as well.
10:44 PM
@RonanForman True. I guess they could help.
@ArdaXi How -do- you get access anyways? I see people playing it but its never available on the steam website.
They're LoL players.
@ArdaXi That's the same episode as the internet in a box right?
@RonanForman I don't know what "easily" means in this case. I've never done anything with video.
@James Private beta, need an invite. I applied for one.
10:45 PM
That one must've been a hell of a thirty minutes
@ArdaXi Ah, seems a bit odd to publicly share gaming stats about a private beta.. Meh! hehe
but yeah, I'll play a game with you sometime against bots and we can pity each others lack of ability
@James Probably just to taunt all the unlucky chaps who couldn't get in.
eh. I expect Dota 2 to release at around April
@Origami Can you send me about 30gigs of footage over?
10:46 PM
@James Valve isn't really paranoid. I think the only reason it is a private beta is because it isn't finished enough yet.
They still haven't implemented every hero, yet, correct?
Yeah, I think so
@GraceNote How many are there?
too many
I could look at the latest batch of strings added to the translation system to have an idea of what's been worked on recently.
10:47 PM
@RonanForman I'm not sure how anyone could do that easily...
I'd just get a sour feeling in my mouth by doing so.
Think of the DOTA2 Beta for being akin to a WoW public beta. Or, for that matter, an early google beta. It's invite only, but it's not a secret. The reason for the restricted access is to keep capacity under control.
@ArdaXi Currently? I think it's 108.
There's about 60 heroes in DotA 2.
...you've got a long way to go. Is Obsidian there yet?
10:48 PM
I think it was recently added
I know Nerubian Weaver and Viper are there, but not so much Obsidian and Nerubian Assassin.
In the last patch
Seems like they're recently worked on lobbies and a couple new heroes perhaps.
crashes through the concept of fun
er uh @Grace
10:49 PM
> Outworld Destroyer's original title was Obsidian Destroyer, a name that is similar to two units from Blizzard's Warcraft 3. Those two units are Obsidian Statue and Destroyer.
@origami Then single camera it is. That's not a problem.
So yes, under a different name
@ThomasMcDonald Ah, gotcha
I see a couple interesting strings still lacking a translation at all but I'll just let the "lucky" 10 struggle with them.
Different name is fine. Oh, what about Necro'lic? (Not to be confused with Necrolyte)
10:52 PM
I'm not going to lie, I'm just wiki'ing these.
@RonanForman Can I be the cat?
Apparently not yet.
@GraceNote Not in the language file
@ThomasMcDonald That's fine - any news is functional news
@RonanForman I could mail a hard drive to you. That's probably the fastest way. :P
10:53 PM
There's some more info here on unreleased content
@Gnome You're one funny looking cat.
@ThomasMcDonald Another Curse wiki? :/
Heh, Tinker is voiced by the same voice actor as Dr. Kleiner.
Oh, it's curse?!
10:53 PM
I mean, if what they're aiming for is being a better wikia then more power to them.
@ThomasMcDonald I don't even recognize a bunch of these names, haha
I thought the TF guys were doing it
@ThomasMcDonald The footer don't lie
I guess Valve will put up a wiki post-release
like they did with Portal
I see that now.
@Origami Please don't. 1 camera is fine anyway.
10:54 PM
eh? I don't think Valve put up a wiki for portal, did they?
But there you go, Nerubian Assassin (apparently now Nyx Assassin) is yet to come, as is Necro'lic (listed by his name, "Visage").
Awesome. Just loaded up Mass Effect 2 and there's a message on the Cerberus network that shows on the startup screen that I'm pretty sure is about ME3
@Sterno That's the wrong way to get excited about ME3
Also, they apparently changed a fair amount of Necro'lic. Boo!
10:57 PM
@badp what's the right way?
I'm just thinking about Curse
@Sterno do not panic, citizen. I'm certain that reapers are not about to invade earth and destroy all you hold dear. certain.
They must have had a lot of dolla to buy Minecraft forums/wiki
@ThomasMcDonald Uh... yes. theportalwiki.com/wiki/Main_Page
...greatly changed.
10:57 PM
Oh cool, Tinker even has a line "Lamarr? Is that you?"
At the time of acquisition they were doing more impressions than Stack Exchange
@badp That's not Valve. That's the TF wiki people.
okay. I do not have time for skyrim right now. I should not load this game. I should get up away from the computer And Not Play Skyrim. I AM NOT PLAYING SKYRIM. NO.
@ThomasMcDonald Well I'm not sure how much more official it can get than that
10:58 PM
...and they moved watchers from Weaver to Assassin. Funky.
yanks plug from computer DRAT. this is a laptop :/
@badp the bit where it says unofficial in the logo?
Well I guess you could do wiki.portal2.com
@agent86 LOL
@agent86 Having focus issues eh?
10:59 PM
@agent86 Face it, you are doomed to play Skyrim. The universe is demanding it ;)
@James this is all your fault. I both love you and hate you right now. you magnificent jerkface!
@AshleyNunn Doooooooooooooooooom (Words from RotMG :))
@agent86 You're welcome! and you deserve it!! ;)
Anyway, Curse has to do a lot of things wrong before they become worse than Wikia
@ThomasMcDonald Buy? Did they buy anything? For all I know they might've been running a successful independent wiki/forum and Mojang might've decided it was cheaper to outsource than it'd have been to compete.
@AshleyNunn nah, the kids will probably overwhelm me soon. Later tonight I will sedate them with videos of things that have been animated, and then I will axe many things.
11:00 PM
@ThomasMcDonald I'm still... uneasy? given the amount of content they do control.
@agent86 This strikes me as a decent plan
@badp Minecraft Forums/Wiki was owned by Criticsquid until he sold it to Curse
@badp Curse' minecraft forums servers blow.. they are never responsive and often down.
For the longest time the minecraft wiki didn't have clear licensing terms
Man, Tinker was such a reassuring presence.
11:02 PM
@AshleyNunn you weren't here earlier, you missed death metal cat
@GnomeSlice I like Firth's Tailor better
and slightly below that is the bird who <3's chocolate
@agent86 That is awesome XD and so true. That is precisely how it would go
@agent86 It looks like it is trying to suicide by drowning in chocolate
or citricsquid. same thing.
11:06 PM
anyway, I have this Udacity class to finish
I'm annoyed by just how far SE goes in making sure that metas don't have reputation
I wanted to see what kind of reception my recent answers got, but no siree, the relevant tab would be called 'reputation' and there's no such thing on meta!
@Gnome Do you have like a 15 second chiptune fanfare type thing I could use?
@badp Can't you just sort answers by newest?
@ThomasMcDonald :/
It is a functional solution
11:10 PM
@badp aye?
I didn't say it was impossible to do so, I'm just annoyed by the thought process
Oh, right.
I'm sure at one point that tab did exist on Meta, anyway.
It did, I even argued for its continued existence.
11:29 PM
Hmm, one click away from ordering a Vita.. dunno if I should or not...
Oh god! my finger twitched and I bought it! Ahhhhhhhhhhh!!!
@badp Hehe, Thanks :)
11:52 PM
@GnomeSlice is a cat? What?
Q: What happens with jungle respawns when you don't fully clear creeps?

Nick TSupposedly you can harass the enemy jungle a little by killing the valuable creeps in a jungle pack and leaving one of the cheap minions around to delay a full respawn. How does this work exactly? If I see a solo minion up at one of our buffs, should I kill it or let it be? Is there a differen...

@Wipqozn In our sitcom, gnome plays the cat.
@RonanForman oh, okay. That makes sense.
I can see @GnomeSlice being someones pet.

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