The Bridge

Nick T

3:01 AM

Hmm, I thought that voice sounded familar

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Adam Baldwin (Jayne from Firefly)

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@Manaಠдಠ Thanks for the rep (I suspect.)

Mana ಠдಠ

lemmeh guess, is there a third person view mode in Deus Ex?

yup

I'll upvote it for now, although I just found that image on Reddit.

John Gore

What a great answer.

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@Manaಠдಠ I will happily delete it if I am proven wrong.

Mana ಠдಠ

@LessPopMoreFizz heh :)

LessPop_MoreFizz

3:09 AM

(And then never recalc my rep ever again.)

Looking at the starred list... did anybody else do a double take at 'THC digest'?

I thought @Thomas was suggesting we read some sort of marijuana enthusiast periodical for a second.

Mana ಠдಠ

pfffffft

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Not that there is anything wrong with marijuana enthusiast periodicals. High Times is a fine publication with a long and storied history.

Nick T

what's rep recal clink?

Tim Stone

Yeah, we realized a while back that in acronym form it was a bit misleading. :P

Nick T

meh, no change

Mana ಠдಠ

3:13 AM

@NickT I'm afraid to dig it up. The last time I recalculated my rep I lost 220 pounds.

Rep pounds, but pounds nevertheless.

Nick T

au.answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110823051209AArsxdK

lol, what a wuss

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Thoughs on removing the 'From Consoles' from that DX 3P question?

John Gore

@LessPop_MoreFizz Why bother?

Nick T

There is 3rd person in deus ex tho, when you enter cover

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@JohnGore Because the answer doesn't vary across platforms, it's a 'Popular Question' from the standpoint of search engine juice (or it's going to be, I can guarantee it.), and thus it behooves us to be definitive.

Since the answer doesn't actually matter re: consoles, we're better off broadening the scope of the question to improve it's google juice I suspect.

John Gore

3:17 AM

@LessPop_MoreFizz Be... bewhat?

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behoove (third-person singular simple present behooves, present participle behooving, simple past and past participle behooved)
(US) To suit; to befit.
(US) To be necessary.
(US) To be in one's best interest. [quotations ▼]

Aww, Wikitionary doesn't one box. :(

John Gore

@LessPop_MoreFizz It might if you didn't have the reply in there.

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@JohnGore oneboxes ignore line replies.

Lamers.

3:19 AM

Oh wow, they didn't use to do that.

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Box

Box (plural boxes) describes a variety of containers and receptacles for permanent use as storage, or for temporary use often for transporting contents. The word derives from the Greek πύξος (puxos), "box, boxwood". Boxes may be made of durable material such as wood or metal, or of corrugated fiberboard, paperboard, or other non-durable materials. The size may vary from very small (e.g., a matchbox) to the size of a large appliance. A corrugated box is a very common shipping container. When no specific shape is described, a box of rectangular cross-section with all sides flat may be e...

Pretty sure they always have. What doesn't work is....

@JohnGore en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Box

Has to be a line reply

Lazers

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Q: Why were the N64 analog sticks so inferior to those that came after?

The Nintendo 64 controller's Control Stick seems to have paved the way for the analog sticks adopted by all major game consoles ever since. You can tell, because it really rather sucked compared to the others. It wore out quickly, acquiring a large unresponsive "dead zone" where it could wiggle ...

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So, anyways, should I edit that question y'think?

Mana ಠдಠ

Which?

Tim Stone

3:23 AM

@Lazers Erm, didn't the PlayStation get released a few years prior to the N64?

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The Deus Ex third person question.

@TimStone Yes, but the Dual Shock came after iirc.

Nick T

@Lazers Off-topic?

borderline EE.SE

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The original PS1 controller was a 4 directional+4 buttons, no joysticks.

John Gore

@NickT Hardly.

Tim Stone

Ah, right, I had forgotten about that.

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3:25 AM

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MUPPETS

Nick T

@JohnGore That question doesn't relate to gaming per-se, and is not even a gaming question

it's an electronics design question

while it may be close, I don't see how you could just dismiss it without a second thought

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@NickT In general, we've been pretty tolerant of 'on topic trivia'.

Tim Stone

Yeah, it seems that the N64 release predated the DualShock release by at least a year.

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For better or worse, those sorts of questions are, at least de facto, on topic.

We need a Muppets.SE

John Gore

@LessPop_MoreFizz +1

LessPop_MoreFizz

3:29 AM

<--- Dr. Teeth is the Best Muppet. Just FYI.

Mana ಠдಠ

idk, IMO the Nintendo 64 one's actually pretty interesting.

John Gore

I agree.

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@AnnaLear If you're fast, you can edit that comment to link the question!

Mana ಠдಠ

and I feel like more people on this site would take interest in the question. But would it be better suited for an electronics site...? Maybe.

John Gore

@Manaಠдಠ I don't think so. Nintendo and Gaming are pretty synonymous.

Mana ಠдಠ

3:40 AM

Well, I'm more just thinking in terms of whether or not the people on this site would be the right sort to give a strong answer, compared to the hardware crowd on the electronics site.

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Somebody convince me that it is a bad idea to put on a pot of coffee so I can play New Vegas all night

John Gore

@LessPop_MoreFizz That doesn't sound like a bad idea at all.

Tim Stone

I'd like to, but I'd do it, so.

Nick T

I need to hit the hay but I'm dumb

Lazers

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Q: Bukkit DefaultCommands Permissions

I'm starting up a new Minecraft server. I was advised to use Bukkit and to use the DefaultCommands plugin to add functionality. However, upon installation of DefaultCommands, nobody but ops could pick up items...but they had every other permission (set the time, give people items, etc.). This ...

minecraft bukkit

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3:42 AM

I do need to work at 8 AM though.

Tim Stone

Details, details.

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> The statistics with respect to askers of ITG sticking around is a direct response to one argument in favor of ITG: Specifically, that we should look the other way w/r/t the generally low quality and sketchy subject matter of these questions because it brings in a disproportionate number of new users. Essentially, the "Getting to Know You" argument that often pops up with regards to 'fun' question categories. (n.b., I do not think ITG is in any way fun. In fact, I find it quite miserable.)

Too harsh?

Tim Stone

Although wait, I remember your job involving needing you to perhaps be slightly more alert than someone sitting in a cubicle all day, so maybe I shouldn't encourage that, heh.

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@TimStone Depends how good I am at conning my coworker into letting me play navigator all day tomorrow.

Tim Stone

Ah ha.

Nick T

3:48 AM

How many new users from ITG are retained vs. new users in general?

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@NickT Roughly 30% fewer.

(61% vs. 46%)

Tim Stone

@LessPop_MoreFizz Seems fine to me.

John Gore

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Essentially, in other words, ITG is actually worse at bringing in new users that stick around, than other question types.

Nick T

what's the absolute value for those?

how many new users show up (per arbitrary unit time), how many of those stay, then both figures for ITG-first users?

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3:51 AM

@NickT Ask @tzenes, he crunched the data

Nick T

tacked it onto my query

cuz I suck at SQL queries

Some of these people clearly have no idea how neon signs work unrealitymag.com/index.php/2011/08/01/…

all the Star Wars ones are practically impossible

John Gore

I like the Jurassic Park one.

Nick T

yeah

John Gore

And the way the Sign changes to "Vacancy" during the stab in the one for Psycho is clever.

user20683

4:07 AM

So Gnome's troll is now somehow pseudo-permanent?

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@WorldEngineer Hm?

John Gore

@WorldEngineer ?

user20683

The Suspension Bridge

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@WorldEngineer That was @badp's doing.

I could change it back, but... well, I've been suspended once tonight already.

John Gore

@LessPop_MoreFizz Of course. :/

user20683

4:12 AM

Suspensions do seem easy to accrue around here

Randall Munroe's xkcd

Kevin Y

I feel more new users should be like @JohnGore and come to chat and talk.

high-fives @JohnGore

John Gore

@KevinY high-fives

user20683

I do chat

user20683

mostly because programmers doesn't

user20683

4:18 AM

most of the time

Kevin Y

And @WorldEngineer high-five

user20683

@KevinY /fistbump

John Gore

/chestbump

Where's @Mana when you need him.

Lazers

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Q: ’80s children's computer game; pixelated bugs swarmed together to form a letter or word

When I was in kindergarten in 1986/87, we had a small computer lab at my elementary school. I remember playing a game on those computers — I don't know what kind they were, sorry — where pixelated "bugs" would start scattered all over the screen, then slowly move together to form a letter or a sh...

identify-this-game 80s

user20683

Asleep more than likely

Mana ಠдಠ

4:31 AM

I'm awake. I just read through Matthew Read's answer to the ITG thing.

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A: Do we still like 'Identify This Game' questions?

Points You Raise Half the time they seem ridiculously vague Ridiculously vague questions should always be closed if they can't be clarified. I know Gaming users aren't used to as many vague questions as are users of other sites, but rest assured that this problem is not endemic to ITG. Th...

John Gore

Agreed with @StrixVaria on this one.

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Fallout Modders are the worst human beings on the planet.

Just FYI.

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Mana ಠдಠ

> I am proud of my heritage and my racial and political believes are truth, something liberal queers like yourself won't ever understand. Now kindly piss-off.

Jesus...

user20683

how so? That doesn't look bad at all

Mana ಠдಠ

@WorldEngineer You haven't gotten to the Third Reich part of it yet, have you?

John Gore

4:38 AM

@Manaಠдಠ I lol'd.

I <3 my pickaxe.

user20683

I may be entirely too tired but I'm not sure I get it outside the comments below the thing and the fact that the player model is a WWII German soldier.

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@WorldEngineer Also the companions. Also, the guy has lots of other nazi mods scattered around.

Mana ಠдಠ

Anyways, heading to bed. I'll think about ITG some more in the morning.

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Fallout modders are the scum of the earth.

'nuff said.

Kevin Y

@Manaಠдಠ g'night

John Gore

4:44 AM

@Manaಠдಠ Peace bro.

user20683

Red Orchestra featured playable Germans and isn't considered scum though it's not Fallout

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Additional evidence:

Yes. Really.

user20683

I guess it's the single player equivalent of Counter Strike then

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@WorldEngineer It's far far worse.

user20683

See, I've never played Fallout so I can't really judge the merits of the underlying game

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4:49 AM

@WorldEngineer Oh, the underlying game is fantastic.

It's specifically the mod community that's awful.

user20683

how'd that happen exactly?

user20683

attracts Mad Max wannabes?

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(It's largely the same mod community that modded the shit out of Oblivion and before that Morrowind. With most of the same issues. That is to say, they rip textures and meshes wholesale out of other games, do halfassed ports of them, oh, and roughly 40% of all download traffic on the major mod sites is full of psychotic perverts who want nudechildeanimeslavemods)

user20683

I was about to say, the reaction to that guy seemed consistent with Oblivion mods

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@WorldEngineer Nah, the Mad Max wannabes are prt cool dudes who make some prt cool stuff. (well, aside from the peculiar fascination that the fallout fanbase/NMA crowd has had since the beginning with killable children.) It's specifically the mod community that showed up when Fallout 3 came out, who largely moved over from Oblivion modding, that are absolutely deplorable.

user20683

4:52 AM

so apparently Bethesda attracts legions of horrible "people"

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@WorldEngineer Yep./

Another 'top mod' on the Nexus is 'Slof's Boners'. It does what it says on the tin.

user20683

I seriously don't understand these kinds of people

user20683

kiddie molesters/rapists in general should be gelded, Turkish style

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Speaking of which, I am off to actually play fallout, rather than depress myself browsing the mod sites.

later

sjohnston

5:06 AM

So, Deus Ex: HT is pretty dern fun.

Even though I kind of suck at it.

user20683

And Heretic = Beat

Lazers

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Q: How do I rescue Josie Thorpe?

At the end of the first mission, you have to negotiate with the terrorist leader and try to convince him to let Josie Thorpe go. Unfortunately, I didn't say the right thing, and she didn't make it out alive. How do I convince the terrorist to let her go?

deus-ex-human-revolution

Lazers

5:37 AM

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Q: Is there a way to skip the opening logos in Deus Ex: Human Revolution?

I'm really enjoying the newest Deus Ex, but I'm not enjoying sitting through the logos of the assorted developers and publishers each time the game loads. I remember modifying a file (maybe a .ini) in Borderlands to skip its opening logos so it wasn't so tedious, but I can't remember how this was...

deus-ex-human-revolution

tzenes

@NickT If you look over my original research you'll see I included the sitewide rate as well as a number of other tags...

for reference: meta.gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/1455/…

For game-rec: 342 showed up 157 stayed. Site wide, 13651 showed up and 8327 stayed

here I defined "showed up" as asking a question or answering one

and "staying" as having >2 upvotes

tzenes

6:21 AM

I have attempted to codify my thoughts, I don't know if they'll make sense to anyone else, but here they are:

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A: Do we still like 'Identify This Game' questions?

So, when I approach the problem of whether or not a question is appropriate for GSE I have to remind myself what the goal of GSE is. In my opinion: To span the graph of gaming knowledge and become an authority on it There are really two goals in there. The first is on collecting where a...

badp

7:30 AM

NEEEEEEW HAT

Lazers

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Q: What is the source of the term Use Map Settings?

I heard the term "UMS" used to refer to a starcraft II custom map, and after looking it up it seems to refer to "Use Map Settings". What is the origin and history of this term?

starcraft-2 terminology custom-maps

badp

oh valve, the unlimited use noisemaker was perhaps a bad idea

Arda Xi

8:57 AM

Happy 15th birthday Team Fortress!

Valve should allow everyone to use that thing on their birthday.

badp

Which thing?

Arda Xi

Noisemaker.

badp

You mean some aren't allowed to use it?

Arda Xi

Not starting tomorrow, no.

I remember when birthday mode was automatically enabled if anyone on the server was playing on his birthday.

badp

well, you can use it infinitely many times

...today

and in 366 days

and in 365 days since then

etc.

Arda Xi

9:04 AM

True, but still.

badp

Hrm, I don't think I'll promote the Medic strange crate to the row of crates I'd like to open eventually

I'd only like one item from that, and the chances are too low.

Arda Xi

9:20 AM

Am I now the only one who still thinks it's silly to buy keys?

badp

There's only been one crate I really did wanted to open. I opened it and got what I wanted.

This row of crates is for keys I might eventually get my hands on

Arda Xi

You paid €1,25 for a chance to win a virtual item that you wanted.

badp

(it's a strange soldier crate, a strange spy crate and a strange pyro crate)

Arda Xi

Well, no, you paid €5.

badp

@ArdaXi Actually it was a guarantee: while I really only wanted a few, I'd have been happy no matter the outcome.

Arda Xi

9:22 AM

Assuming you bought that key.

badp

Perhaps not as happy with a strange shotgun, but...

Arda Xi

I could probably trade a strange something for my Tough Guy's Toque

Problem is, I suck at trading.

badp

I got somebody who was interested in swapping my strange wrench for a strange jag but he never did answer to my requests for trading

Oh, and I also got a relatively crappy hat from that key.

Oak

So, I wrote a fix for a game in this question:

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Q: Getting Max Payne sounds to work on Windows 7

Trying to run Max Payne (the original game from 2001) on Windows 7 64-bit, there is a serious problem with the game sounds - no music, many effects missing, stuttering, slowdowns etc. Looking online I was able to find this guide for fixing it on Windows Vista (which probably applies to 7 as well...

windows-7 troubleshooting max-payne

And uploaded it somewhere

But it now expired

M'vy

Oh hai ther!

Oak

9:31 AM

Anyone knows of a site that can offer more... permanent hosting, for game-related files?

Though maybe I can actually ask that in game-dev

M'vy

Hm I used this fix once I think

badp

@Oak dropbox?

So long as you don't get crazy traffic you should be fine

Oak

@badp haven't thought of that... you mean open a fictive dropbox account to just host one file?

badp

@Oak how about using your own?

Oak

@badp don't have. Well I do have because I was forced to, but I plan on closing it

badp

9:35 AM

@Oak Any reason why?

Oak

Since I'm a Syncplicity user, no use in two different services

badp

It's my no-effort backup solution for stuff that really matters. Been effective so far

Oh, I see

Hm, well, I'm not aware of many other free file sharing services that don't suck

Perhaps I can host it on my own Dropbox account, @Oak?

Arda Xi

anyhub.net

Files don't expire.

Ran by a friend of mine.

badp

Oh, right, that service.

Arda Xi

Nothing is permanent of course.

Oak

9:39 AM

No, nothing is permanent, I just want something without an expiration policy

So at least I know that as long as the site is alive and they don't change their policy, it can stay there

Arda Xi

Well, there you go.

Oak

@ArdaXi it looks nice, any catch?

Arda Xi

10 GB per file.

@Oak Nope.

badp

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Arda Xi

Oh, by the way, if you value your privacy in any way, shape or form, do not use Origin.

@badp What did you change?

M'vy

9:42 AM

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