The Bridge - 2011-08-24 (page 5 of 8)

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5:00 PM

The battle itself? Usually the latter, if history is any indication.

I wonder whether people see ITG questions, think of it as an easy way to get in their first question, ask a poor one that ends up closed or unanswered, and then lose interest in the site. Where if they didn't see ITG, they would've asked a better first question and maybe ended up sticking around.

No, I meant ITG questions, not the battle itself

I don't think new users notice the battle at all because they don't visit Chat or Meta

The fact that we didn't even get 10 people to nominate themselves to receive Tropico 4 for free without reputation limits has got to mean that most users don't know about Meta at all.

5:14 PM

None of this week's games really interested me, reputation or not

I don't play games anymore. :(

Playing games is hard. Let's talk about them!

Blah, I was just informed that TF2 has a cvar that duplicates my plugin's functionality: tf_forced_holiday 2

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Q: Are mementos used for anything?

I've so far found two mementos, a Crystal Barrette and a Stringy Thing (I believe that was the name). Are these items used for any gameplay purpose, or like the statues, are they just used for narrative flavor? Should I worry about going out of my way to explore and find them? Not that I don't ...

You were replaced by a small shell script.

5:18 PM

@badp But surely out of our thousands of users, some of them were interested in Tropico 4? So the only explanation seems to be that they didn't know about the Grant.

@bwarner Dunno; I featured the post

So, uh

I really can't do much more than that

What should I flag this as?

@Brant spam

5:18 PM

The flag dialog needs checkboxes, not radio buttons

[X] Offensive [X] Not An Answer [X] Spam [X] lolwut

@badp Yah, I don't know what to do to increase attention. The blog wouldn't be any better.

@Brant max(offensive, not an answer, spam, lolwut) = offensive/spam

Maybe when users come to the site we should have a popup that says "You are a WINNER" in big flashing letters that links them to the Grant post.

Click the dancing upvote button to win a FREE GAME!

:1734453 Also, could a chat mod edit this post of mine, since it has NSFW language?

I said edit not delete! Censorship!

Terrible mods!

@Brant Not yet.

5:24 PM

Thanks though.

Maybe in 3 hours we'll have a terrible mod. Maybe.

@Brant You said delete first

I know. My fault. :)

I think I drank too much coffee this morning; it's affecting my judgement.

Hmm, there is no difference between the Rocket Launcher and the Original, other than cosmetic, is there? (cc @Powerlord)

@ArdaXi There is a slight difference... the Rocket Launcher fires from the right side of the player model, while the Original fires from the center.

Not sure if that changes if you swap view models or not.

5:30 PM

@Powerlord Right. So, does that ever matter?

@ArdaXi Yes, because the Normal Rocket Launcher can shoot around corners to their left. I didn't think it made a difference, but I know at least one person who played Soldier regularly that hated cp_lwobtsud (mirrored dustbowl) because of it.

@FallenAngelEyes: Apparently the Game Stop Deus Ex OnLive thing has been confirmed now.

FallenAngelEyes

@Powerlord Bleeegh

> GameStop spokesperson Beth Sharum confirmed the practice, telling Ars that "Square Enix packed the competitor’s coupon with our DXHR product without our prior knowledge and we did pull these coupons."

FallenAngelEyes

We need @LessPop

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Q: Should I have played the first game and/or Invisible War to fully appreciate Human Revolution?

I am considering starting to play Deus Ex: Human Revolution. Having seen the trailer and some gameplay footage, and having read mostly positive reviews, I am quite sure I will have a blast. However, I have never had the chance to play any other games from the series. So I was wondering if I was...

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5:35 PM

I think GameStop is going to have a major lawsuit on their hands.

FallenAngelEyes

I hope so, because that's a seriously dick move on their part

@TheStackExchangeBlog 404 Not Found

Of course nothing was found. You're replying to a blank message. Yeah.

FallenAngelEyes

GameStop's not the only provider for the games, so I don't think Squeenix was under any obligation to notify them

Not only that, but it's the deluxe version that had it. The version that's supposed to have extras and stuff.

5:37 PM

@GraceNote CENSORSHIP

Announcing facebook.stackoverflow.com

Without question, the greatest asset we have here at Stack Exchange is the members of our community, their collective knowledge, and their desire to help others. Similarly, there’s no greater feeling for us than when others recognize that strength and wonder how they can use it to help their users too — ultimately, it just helps make the internet a better place.

So when the largest social developer platform in the world came to us and said they wanted to partner with us, we were all ears. And because of that partnership, we are proud to announce tha…

Google Reader caught it.

DEAR STACK EXCHANGE CHAT: When I click "(see full text)" and start scrolling down in the box that disappears, please don't shrink it back down. Twice.

I edited the post.

@Powerlord I was about to say that. To be honest, chat should keep it expanded.

@Brant Exactly. That is very annoying if it's too long.

Sorry about that.

5:39 PM

@Brant ASDFAFASFASF

@Brant Yes, "sorry". That's why you added "Hi @Powerlord!" after I complained about it.

I had to confirm the behavior. :)

I'm trying to think of how to do innuendo about the relationship between FaceBook and SO without sounding too crude. I'm failing at it though.

Stack Overbook? Face Overflow? Stackface Bookover... flow?

Face Overflow gets my vote.

5:42 PM

user image

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It's interesting that the blog post doesn't exist any more.

^ images which go in the blank spots

I remember them talking about this "tag set as subsite" feature on the podcast a long time back, but getting FB on board has got to be a huge win.

Science in the distant future

@Brant wat

@badp that appears above the "The key to this functionality though" paragraph in the post

5:48 PM

Oh... I thought it was like a joke

"What if Facebook acquired Stack Overflow..."

Browsing facebook.stackoverflow.com with [tag:facebook*] as an ignored tag is a very lonely experience.

user image

Actually

This could work for Steam endorsement.

such a feature, minisites, could mean the best of both world for u...

exactly.

I mean, we could have ask.steampowered.com lead to steam.gaming.stackexchange.com

5:52 PM

Well, the list of tags would be ridicolously long

but still...

No, just Steam-related questions.

nah, we'd have to do steam and all the games on Steam

just like the Steam forums do.

We could also get in-Steam endorsement, have every game get a link to its Gaming subsite.

This only works for facebook.SO because the [facebook] tag alone is probably as big as most SE2.0 sites.

ask.steampowered.com/440

That would have quite a few questions.

154

5:55 PM

@ArdaXi 440... TF2? :D

@Powerlord Yes.

I used 440 because you're the only one I see knowing AppIDs.

Oh, and don't forget 550 (TF2 Beta)

@Brant we have 8k questions, they have 5k :P

and if we take all the games that are on steam we might very well get around 3k-4k

I bet that number is about to go way up once facebook posts about it on their blog.

@badp True, but if we get a link in Steam, I think our site will gain a lot more traction.

5:57 PM

@Brant I bet we'd be going to need 50 moderators if Steam announced such a thing

Hope SO is ready for a flood of HOW I MAKE FARMVILLE questions.

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@badp SO is bigger than Gaming will ever be, even if we get Steam endorsement.

@Brant I read that, started to laugh and then realized that might actually happen.

@ArdaXi There are many more gamers than programmers in the world though

Admittedly, there's a lot less questions

I think it could work, but Steam needs to get something out of it too.

Unfortunately Steam ≠ Valve.

But still, it might be worth emailing gaben@valvesoftware.com

Mission ends in 2 hours.

6:01 PM

I wonder when they're going to put the post back up.

from the top 2 pages of tags I see 1,811 questions from Steam games

Can anyone recommend a game for someone who loves the Halo series?

XBL, please

so admittedly the total number is closer to 2k than 3k

let's say we wait and see how Facebook.SO goes, eh?

@CaffeineComa What about the Halo series specifically? The combat, the story, the multiplayer? There are a lot of first-person shooters out there.

@badp We have 47 pages of tags. Looking at the first few is a bit superficial.

6:03 PM

@ArdaXi 80-20 rule.

If I look at the top 20% tags I'll see the top 80% questions. Considered the exponential distribution I've probably caught all the big fishes.

You're a bit obsessed with Pareto aren't you?

I like it as an excuse to be lazy.

Obviously it'd help if Minecraft got on Steam. Just saying. :P

I prefer the 90-9-1 rule.

Minecraft doesn't need Steam.

Although I'm sure Steam would love to have Minecraft.

The first 90% takes 90% of the time, the next 9% takes 90% of the time and the final 1% takes 90% of the time?

6:06 PM

Out of all users, 1% create content, 9% edit content and 90% just lurk.

@badp I think he means 90% lurk, 9%... yeah

I'm proudly part of that 9%.

I think it's more like 90% lurk, 9% post, 1% edit

@badp Nope.

@badp Thanks for the @lert. I probably would never have noticed that I was selected otherwise.

6:06 PM

Surprisingly not.

Derivative works also count as editing.

user image

I think, for us, that counts as 1% ask, 9% answer, 90% read.

gaming meta says I've earned 5,449 reputation since some time

@Brant = I just love multiplayer combat.

@ArdaXi nope, 1% answer 9% ask 90% read

@badp Well, whatever, I could run the figures in a sec.

6:08 PM

meh.

Hmm... What XBL games have multiplayer similar to Halo?

Where's LINQPad when you need it.

Ah, there we go.

LINQ > SQL.

(I don't actually know much about this myself, I just figured more detail would help whoever does)

@Brant Game-rec die di- oh.

This is that chatroom I always talk about.

I tried the various CoD games, but for some reason they never click with me the way Halo does.

6:10 PM

I thought Shadowrun was pretty cool, but it's probably quite dead by now.

(Launching so close to Halo 3's release will do that)

Hmm, I suck at SQL.

from m in mods
where m.Quality < 0.1
select m

Whoa, it's lunch time!

1248 users are answerers. 959 users are askers. (Meaning having more than 1 question/answer)

@ArdaXi You mean 256 users answered 1+ question while 123 users asked 1+ question?

@badp No, I used 10. This is more than 1.

6:15 PM

Oh, so you're focusing on the top x%, ignoring the long tail

lalalala

@badp I count someone asking/answering only one question as a drive-by.

@ArdaXi A lurker just visits

Sorry.

So...does the election end in 1 hour or 1 hour and 40 minutes?

6:16 PM

At any rate - no time for back and forth. I need to do dinner now if I want to be prepared in 100 minutes.

(if you respond True I am going to hurt you)

@Manaಠдಠ Yes.

Jerk.

Spoilers!

ahem

@CaffeineComa is the worst kind of coma.

6:24 PM

@Manaಠдಠ That's not very nice. Harsh, even.

Sorry. If it makes him feel any better, I haven't ever been in a coma before. Excluding sleep, if that counts.

Hey look at that. Someone finally figured out how to distribute a Portal 2 custom map.

I'm 30 points from hitting the cap on PSE. Will someone please go find a few of my answers over there that they like and upvote them? :P

Done, you jerk. :(

(but I did like the answers)

@Manaಠдಠ Yay! Thanks Mana! I guess you earned that vote... :D

6:28 PM

Good, simple example for DRY.

@John PSE?

Yeah, the DRY example was really nice

Oh, Anna's site.

@StrixVaria @Mana Thank you. :) @Powerlord Programmers.SE

@ArdaXi They didn't know that before?

@John Yeah, like I said Anna's site... @AnnaLear that is.

6:29 PM

@Powerlord Not with a VPK.

@Powerlord Yeah, I had already typed that when I saw that you had said that.

@ArdaXi They didn't know to use VPKs before? :O

No.

Portal 2 needs to be updated for them though.

Man, every time I look outside there's a different frog sitting out by my pool.

@Manaಠдಠ Frogs? I have turkeys outside my window...

6:31 PM

@Manaಠдಠ As long as it isn't Frogg.

Frogg is really annoying. I do find it amusing the best player on my TF2 server plays Heavy. :|

@Powerlord Frogg?

Hello peoples

@Manaಠдಠ Frogg

Hullo Brett. What's new?

@BrettWhiteΨ Hello person.

6:33 PM

@Powerlord Activity: 99%

grimaces

@Manaಠдಠ He plays more than anyone else on the server.

For reference, I play TF2 a lot. Since stats were last reset, I've clocked 10 days and 3 hours on our server. Frogg has clocked 16 days and 17 hours.

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Q: How can one tell if more teamsters are needed?

How does one know if one's island is being sufficiently serviced by teamsters? Right now, I typically build a new one when developing a new area, or when I see some obvious problem like lower than expected exports or slower than expected construction. How does one know how many teamsters are re...

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@Powerlord When were they reset, a week ago?

@ArdaXi Near the beginning of the year.

Anyway, you are aware that 10 days, 3 hours is 243 hours, right?

10 days is more than 1 week.

6:37 PM

Actually, wait, I may be able to get the exact date.

Just in case anyone forgot that.

I was joking. Sheesh.

Darn, I thought it'd be listed somewhere.

lol, I got the award for Amputator Kills yesterday... Medic on cp_degrootkeep. :D

Hmm, 9 different awards across at least 4 classes. Not bad.

Granted, one of the awards is one of the bad ones... Most times Dominated. :(

@Lazers I can't wait for tropico 4

I never took the time to get into 3, but I've really had the desire to play. So mine as well wait for 4, since Stack Exchange in paying for it and everything :) (Thanks again @BrettWhite)

@Wipqozn You are welcome! But also thank @GraceNote for getting the first couple rounds in too. I would be lost without the help. I get lost A LOT.

6:44 PM

Considering I've never played more then a demo of the series, I'm sure I'll have plenty of questions as well.

FallenAngelEyes

@Wipqozn I only just bought 3 a couple weeks ago, haven't really tried yet

thanks @GraceNote as well then

@BrettWhiteΨ May I suggest crafting a map?

@BrettWhiteΨ I'll send you my steam info when I get home

FallenAngelEyes

But I like simulation style games a lot, so

6:46 PM

fancy

I do too, depending on my mood

@BrettWhite Just to make sure, should DX arrive tomorrow or the day after?

sometimes you're in the mood for action... other times sim city...

also, home get. toodles.

omg, DSL connection agaiN!!

Super fast internet are go!!!!

Grar.

@ArdaXi The delivery estimate on the receipt is Aug 27-30

@ArdaXi Sorry for the delay, had to search my inbox for the receipt

6:50 PM

@BrettWhiteΨ Hm.

That's a bit late for Amazon standards.

FallenAngelEyes

@ArdaXi If it's shipping from the States, that's still pretty fast to get through to here

@Powerlord I remember that. :P

@FallenAngelEyes It's not supposed to be. It's supposed to be shipping from the UK.

FallenAngelEyes

@ArdaXi The only thing I can think of then is that they won't ship it til on/past release date

Elections are over in when? 10 minutes or an hour and 10?

Oh btw, @Mana Here's that boilerplate I keep telling you that you need...

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Q: Userscript for automatic stock comments

If you disagree with the spirit of automatic comments or stock comments for common issues, stop reading. Arda pointed out the "Pro-forma Comments" userscript on StackApps as an easy way to paste commonly used comments to avoid retyping them over and over. Clicking a button near the comment...

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6:52 PM

@FallenAngelEyes The latter.

10 pm our time.

FallenAngelEyes

@ArdaXi Gotcha, thanks. I'm going to go eat dinner then.

poof

Hai guays!

@FallenAngelEyes You made @RonanForman appear.

@RonanForman Hai!

@RonanForman Haii

6:53 PM

I own comic timing!

now to figure out what that at incantation was again

NO! Not two of me! That other me is a jerk!

Wow. That Onion paywall is really easy to get around.

@ArdaXi Do you just click "Remind me later" and then feign ignorance at a later date?

Telling them a cheque is in the post?

There is no remind me later. I just deleted the box from the site.

6:57 PM

Using hacking?!

Anyway, do we find out who the mods are when the election ends or is there some kind of delay?

We find out immediately

@John I dislike using boilerplate though.

I wonder if I win...

@RonanForman $("div[id^='gregbox']").hide()

@Manaಠдಠ Same here. (Which is why I take so long to type messages)

6:58 PM

Boilerplate is okay as long as it's your boilerplate, and not the boilerplate that you copied and pasted from some meta post.

@Manaಠдಠ Details....details....

I mean I probably wont, but there's a chance...

I have 60 more tries. I can do this.

@RonanForman No there isn't.

I CAN MAKE IT HAPPEN

6:59 PM

@ArdaXi Type-os?

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