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1:00 PM
btw
more people have currently voted in this second round of elections than we had votes in the first round.
 
That's 130+ votes.
 
Hum I wouldn't know
 
142 precisely right now. (129 last time.)
 
Yay
wonders why they don't make stuff like that public
 
They do
Just not until the end of the election
 
1:06 PM
That's what I mean.
Assuming that the order of votes in the STV file is randomized (and I sincerely hope they are) you can't gleam any data from it.
 
@ArdaXi It is randomized, we established this last election.
 
@GraceNote Exactly. So why not show the counter mid-election?
 
@ArdaXi I have no idea, but probably to treat it less as a "counter", more as a "count" if I had to hazard a guess.
 
@GraceNote But what benefit does it have?
 
@ArdaXi None other than to maintain said illusion.
 
1:10 PM
Oh, right. SE is good at that.
Just like "there is little difference between users with high reputation and ♦ moderators".
To this day I still don't get why they put that in the FAQ. It's quite wrong.
 
Remember, I spend a lot more time explaining that things are the way they are, not justify the way they are'm.
 
@GraceNote I realise.
I'm probably quite annoying in that regard. :)
 
Not that I've paid heed to.
 
afternoon all
 
This is Plato's Parmenides explained as a videogame.
Mind = blown.
 
1:19 PM
Hi @FallenAngelEyes
 
Hiya @Mvy
How's everyone?
 
I hope my copy of Deus Ex arrives today. Many questions on the front page and I don't even know what they're talking about. (And also, hi all.)
 
@ArdaXi Wow
 
@FallenAngelEyes Don't want to answer for everyone, but I'm fine
 
That's... that's deep.
...maaaaan
 
1:22 PM
Heya @Anna
 
maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaan
 
good morning
 
@Manaಠдಠ Hummm I need to find the font that my browser used to write your name when you were falling from the address bar. Looked awesome :P
 
@ArdaXi ...dude
that's pretty much all I can say on that
 
1:29 PM
I just had some guy on last.fm link me to his awesome post-rock/shoegaze band's latest album on bandcamp. I wrote on the band's wall that it was awesome, and then the guy messages me back saying "Yo man, glad you enjoyed it! Here's a free HQ Download to share with your friends."
wtf, sooooo coooooool
 
@FallenAngelEyes @GraceNote I wrote an essay on the original Plato text for school.
 
How did it score?
 
Hmm, I don't recall. Let me look it up.
It was at least an A in American terms.
 
That's good
 
This took me quite a few weeks to finish.
Philosophy is hard.
 
1:34 PM
@Manaಠдಠ nice!
@ArdaXi indeeds
@ArdaXi we'd say "quite a few weeks" rather than "quite a couple"
 
The entire dialogue went from "something can be beautiful" to "nothing exists" in about 200 pages.
It also explains, quite logically, that if God(s) exist(s), they can have no knowledge of us.
 
You know who else can't exist? Hitler, Arda. Hitler.
 
@Manaಠдಠ But... he existed.
 
BUT HE COULDN'T HAVE
nods head sagely
 
@Manaಠдಠ He'dn't've.
I've always wanted to say that.
 
1:38 PM
@Arda Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
 
@Manaಠдಠ You know who else nodded his head sagely?
 
@Arda Kanye West?
 
Hitler, Mana. Hitler.
@Manaಠдಠ Rwy'n gwybod eich bod ond beth ydw i?
 
@badp Silly @badp, asking Arda that and not me.
For whatever reason, building gibs give you something like 25% cloak each one you pick up.
 
@Powerlord You weren't there.
 
1:40 PM
@Powerlord I asked him because he said the DR consumed metal
 
@badp Funny, I've said that before... you just haven't noticed.
 
eh.
 
For all intents and purposes it consumes metal. Not actually metal because only engineers have a counter for it.
 
It also consumes ammo boxes.
 
Basically, what increases the metal counter for engineers increases the cloak counter for spies.
 
1:41 PM
and increases the ammo count for everybody else
 
Right.
 
yet metal ain't ammo.
(stupid deus ex stupid deus ex stupid deus ex stupid deus ex stupid deus ex stupid deus ex)
 
Ammo boxes suck for refilling the DR, though, as you're capped at how much you can get back.
 
@badp Err?
@Mana Blaidd Drwg
 
@Powerlord There's a cap?
 
1:42 PM
@badp Ammo is usually metal.
 
@ArdaXi Two promotional deus ex weapons use metal as ammo.
 
Right.
 
...because metal isn't ammo!!
 
Engineer uses ammo as metal.
 
@badp Small ammo boxes and metal fragments recharge 25%, everything else recharges 40%.
 
1:43 PM
Metal can be ammo. In most cases it is, in TF2.
It's not like ammo boxes contain blocks of steel.
 
As opposed to the Invisibility Watch which does it based on the ammo box size (25%/50%/100%)
 
I never cared to check that
so a weapon increases by 50%?
 
@badp For the invis watch yes. For the DR, 40%.
 
Oh, those are capped too.
 
@badp Yup. Like I said, everything (although that's not counting the recharge closet)
Of course, a level 3 dispenser is really the best recharge thing in the field.
Just remember that, even if you're cloaked, you need to be disguised as the enemy team to use their dispenser.
 
1:47 PM
@Powerlord yeah, I noticed this morning that the level 3 dispenser can beat the DR - albeit by little
 
@badp It's even crazier if you decloak next to one... it almost refills your meter entirely by the time you finish decloaking.
 
is there a beam towards my invisible body when I'm recharging at a dispenser while cloaked?
 
@badp No. There was a bug for a while that did that, though.
I prefer to jump on top of the dispenser to make sure people don't bump me, though.
 
@Powerlord: Do you host any servers on dreamhost?
 
rubs temples Why, Gaming, why must we continually battle over stuff like game-rec and ITG. facedesk
 
1:52 PM
@Wipqozn No.
 
@FallenAngelEyes Because fighting is fun!
 
@FallenAngelEyes Because we don't want to end up like Yahoo! Answers.
 
@FallenAngelEyes Fun stuff going on in the meta-thread?
 
@Manaಠдಠ Yeah
 
@Powerlord Okay, thanks. COmpany has a site on it, has been slow since yesterday was curious if anyone else was having similar problems.
I'm out, toodles
 
1:53 PM
I have a- oh.
 
@FallenAngelEyes . Which is, of course, the answer to everything.
 
Blame for ITG. Got it.
 
> Is this different than the rest of the site? Or worse than upvoting a question because it has a funny title?
@MathewRead has a point there.
The moral there being... stop voting on GnomeSlice's questions just because they have funny titles. ;)
 
@Powerlord I agree
There are a lot of highly upvoted "+1 for title" comments on the site
 
It all started with that Nethack question.
 
2:06 PM
shrug
It would have happened anyways
 
Guys, don't buy Deus Ex: Human Revolution at GameStop if you want the free OnLive code
 
@FallenAngelEyes They're not honoring it?
 
Free OnLive code for Deus Ex in PC boxed version there are GameStop employees posting that GS is opening the boxes and removing the codes
 
What?
 
They got like, executive orders to remove the codes from the boxes
Which, frankly, sounds y'know. Illegal.
 
2:08 PM
And what do they do with the codes?
 
Toss'em I'm assuming
 
Eat them.
 
But...
 
"Not giving them to the customer" which is the important part
 
Why would they do that?
How does that benefit them?
 
2:09 PM
They don't want the competition
 
Keep people away from OnLive?
 
GameStop is (poorly) trying to break into the digital market
 
Hmm, does NL even have a videogame chain?
 
Not solely like GS
well
Game Mania
But I hate that store
And I don't like to support it with my money
 
Wait, there is one. Let me think.
 
2:11 PM
(They're owned by the same parent company as Free Record Shop)
And the small 3 chain store that I really liked supporting in my town is going out of business :(
Which is, frankly, devastating to me because they were awesome :(
 
I'm not particularly happy that the US game stores all consolidated into one company.
 
@Powerlord If you want to get me going on a rant, then talk about retail-specific pre-order bonuses. twitch
 
As I recall: Funcoland, Babbages, and EB Games all became a single company: GameStop.
 
Funcoland and Babbages weren't in my area, so I don't know about them, but yeah, EB did get nommed into the GameStop macrophage
 
I mean, sure they still have competition from the other types of retailers (Wal-Mart, Best Buy, Amazon), but...
 
2:13 PM
Is OnLive still US-only?
 
@ArdaXi I'm... not sure. I thought they had opened EU servers sometime in the last year, but I have no real interest in the service so I don't know.
 
Yeah, me neither, but if I'm getting a code I might as well try it out.
 
Cool, lemme know how it goes. I'm not sure if they offer it in the EU versions.
 
I should be getting the package tomorrow I think?
 
Hum. I have a point on the identification debate but it's not necessarily, y'know, opposed to its favor. Could be seen as such but how negative it is depends on what people view the purpose of the site is.
 
2:16 PM
I think the purpose of this site is to think of funny titles to questions and get as much upvotes as possible.
 
@GraceNote All points in an argument deserve to be heard and weighed equally, imo, why not post it?
 
I mean, quality questions and expert answers. That. Totally that. Not the other thing.
 
Because I'm still trying to understand my own point and what it fully implies. It's something that @tzenes tangentially touched on, and it may really just be tangential than any sort of salience, if that makes any sense.
 
NO IT DOESN'T :|
 
@GraceNote As Fallen said, we should get all the viewpoints.
 
2:17 PM
?
 
Would it work as a comment then or is it too long?
 
oh
 
I'm not sure yet.
 
That's also why I'm always so extreme in my views. I'm not trying to push extreme decisions, I'm just trying to even out debates.
 
it's rare I'm in the channel when someone mentions my name
I had forgotten what that is like
 
2:18 PM
Basically, it's the matter of how identifiable the questions are. Which is to say, they aren't.
 
@tzenes Like this.
 
@tzenes DONK
 
@ArdaXi I don't think it is, but it is for US and Canada only for all practical purposes - support.onlive.com/app/answers/detail/a_id/173/kw/country/…
 
(that's how I transliterate the highlight sound)
 
2:19 PM
I would have gone with DUN
 
Actually, that would be a meta-tag.
 
Unlike the vast majority of questions, the identifying factor of an identification question is not the question itself, but the answer.
 
@GraceNote You mean the answer defines the question?
 
Woah. That's...deep.
 
@tzenes Actually, what I find it sounds the most like to me is someone taking a guitar string and plucking it harshly.
 
2:19 PM
That makes sense.
 
Hello unicorn!
 
Without the answer, there is no telling what the answer is.
 
@ArdaXi The answer defines the data of the question for future people who have the same problem better than the question, better to say.
 
@ArdaXi question
 
Without the answer, it is as if naught.
 
2:20 PM
@Fallen, regardless, just because people can throw out opinions doesn't make a class of questions wrong
 
@FallenAngelEyes No, answer.
 
however, if a class of questions only receives opinions, that is bad
I don't think either applies to the current circumstances
 
Which is a bit of a "catch-22", because people obviously wouldn't have the question if they knew the game name.
 
Well, in the case of ITG there is some set of games which fit the criteria
as a result every answer is a random guess from that set
 
Consider our first duplication case: esto asking about the same game that we identified with eso.
 
2:21 PM
maybe we need rules to write ITG? Like you need to specify at least this, this and that?
 
@Mvy We do have that
 
oh
returns to bed
 
It's enumerated on the tag wiki and people actually do enforce it and close questions that lack such details. We're not entirely on top of it, but at least we do have it.
 
@tzenes I just read your response to what I posted and what you meant is clearer now
 
I appreciate it
 
2:23 PM
Off-topic: Gaming has kind of weird quesiton without context "How can I not snap people's necks?"
 
I have a lot of trouble communicating my ideas
it's a constant frustration in my life
 
@Mvy We have a lot of weird questions without context
 
I harken back to the Magical Pop'n identification I cited in an earlier question about vagueness in identifying a game. Even if the right answer can be found (and it was), there ain't all that much to help anyone else who has forgotten that game.
 
@FallenAngelEyes that's my point
 
@tzenes I think a lot of people have that. Well, specifically, they think they are, but looking at meta you're quite good at it.
 
2:24 PM
The consequential point of this is that identification questions don't exist as a sort of reference, but rather, they always exist as their own isolated inquiries which may intersect only at the answer.
 
@tzenes Gotcha. I hope you won't take offense if I need to post asking for clarification in the future then. I sometimes find that your ensuing comments end up more edifying than your original post, no offense meant.
 
Even game-recs were better about that, especially when it wasn't as narrow as the ones involving particular sorts of costume design.
 
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A: Gaming Promotional Grant - Round 4 Game Selection Thread, for 8/30/11

Brett White ΨThanks to everyone who participated in this round. Tropico 4 was the clear winner with 7 users volunteering to give it a whirl. Since there were 3 slots left, I went to the second place game (Madden NFL 12), which conveniently had 3 users volunteer and got us to our 10 game maximum. With the max ...

 
@GraceNote I can see you enjoying that question
 
I wouldn't worry about offending me, I have a rather thick skin, and I certainly didn't take it that way
 
2:25 PM
Okies :)
 
@badp This is strange, for once someone will be sending me a game
 
@tzenes If it makes you feel better, I think you express some of your points quite well. The only problem is that you come off as a bit more confrontational than I think you mean to sometimes.
 
@FallenAngelEyes I bring it up as my example all the time only because it is the one kind of thing I would ask about.
 
scratches head just my two cents though.
 
What are the haps, my peeps?
 
2:27 PM
Who knows what'll be in round 5; the first round I'll actually be able to take part in
 
Hiya @sjohnston. More ITG discussion.
 
I guess the concludatory point of my rambling is that whereas other questions we have, people who are looking to find the same answer will find it, but that happens decidedly less so with identification.
 
@sjohnston Yo dawg, we be starting up some biznasty fires in the ITG HAUSE
 
@Manaಠдಠ ...I'd set you on fire for that if you weren't such a chill dude
 
@GraceNote This was very much the argument I was attempting to make
 
2:29 PM
@tzenes This was rather built off your points, as it were. ♪
 
<trollface/>I can't wait to come back to the matter of game-rec because, after all, it appears more sites allow -rec questions than they don't.
 
I used the term "Authoritative" to denote questions which a high probability of other people who have the same question finding the answer to be correct
 
I really liked your point about authoritativeness
It's a pretty strong one.
 
@ArdaXi I thought OnLive has at least one European server, in Belgium.
 
@sjohnston Not yet.
It has one, but it isn't enabled.
 
2:31 PM
@tzenes Aye to that, but I think the issue is compounded worse by finding the question which has that answer in the first place, that to be a parallel issue.
 
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Q: How can I not snap people's necks (or only snap it a little bit)?

Ian PugsleySo the wall-punching augmentation (in the Cybernetic Arm Prosthesis augmentation tree) allows you to punch through weak walls, but will automatically have you snap the neck of anyone standing on the other side of them. Am I correct in assuming this will ruin a pacifist playthrough? Is there any...

 
Right
you sort of approach it from the otherside
 
Just making sure that none of you miss that work of art.
 
@ullallulloo @yx @bwarner @wipqozn @rapida @john @shaun @daveduplantis @davemcclelland meta.gaming.stackexchange.com/questions/2624/…
 
@badp Could you gather all of their email addresses and send them to @Brett?
 
2:33 PM
(getting those notifications was a PITA)
@GraceNote <rageface id="okay"/>
 
@ArdaXi Yeah, I see that now.
 
Mods should get the ability to send notifications to individual users.
 
He needs a point of contact in order to establish addresses and payment details, and someone needs to provide them. We could wait for him to ask us on the Team like for last week, but I figure, may as well get it in advance, neh? ♪
 
Similar to the "you earned a new badge" ones.
 
@ArdaXi We do and you should know it.
 
2:33 PM
@ArdaXi We can. But Brett isn't a mod.
 
@badp I've never had one.
 
@badp His suspension predates the message system
 
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Q: How can I not snap people's necks (or only snap it a little bit)?

Ian PugsleySo the wall-punching augmentation (in the Cybernetic Arm Prosthesis augmentation tree) allows you to punch through weak walls, but will automatically have you snap the neck of anyone standing on the other side of them. Am I correct in assuming this will ruin a pacifist playthrough? Is there any...

 
If you don't, well, it's forced in cc to the SO/SE team including Jeff, hence it's for serious business™ only
 
Or, more accurately, predates it being required.
 
2:35 PM
Then it must be somebody else that I messaged?
 
I mean, it'd help get the message to people to send their data to Brett.
 
@badp Christian
 
Seeing as hardly anyone mentioned in that message will receive a notification (unless that's also different for mods)
 
Oh right.
 
@ArdaXi Bulk BCC email works fine.
@ArdaXi We have a super ping
(Which is what badp used. You can tell a super ping sometimes because the name will always be in lowercase, like @gracenote)
 
2:36 PM
Ah.
 
@GraceNote Huh, why's that?
 
Oh man, being a mod sounds intense.
 
@Manaಠдಠ You just wait 5.5 hours.
 
@FallenAngelEyes Why does it force all lowercase? Just cause, really.
 
Huh? Why? Oh. Oh, wait. Yes.
 
2:37 PM
@Manaಠдಠ Thinking of backing out now? Bit late...
 
It's also the only way to ping F'x, by the way.
 
@GraceNote Who?
 
@GraceNote Oh, haha
 
I had a near heart attack while looking at @bwarner 's email, then I figured that domain name didn't belong to who I thought it belonged. Oh well
 
@badp Awesome possum.
 
2:37 PM
@ArdaXi A user on English. His name is valid as a display name but because ' isn't an alphanumeric character, you can't ping him in chat. Our super ping overrides that because it is based on the user ID.
 
@Wipqozn I had that game on Sega Genesis
 
@FallenAngelEyes that's even more awesome
 
@Wipqozn It was... weird. It came out around the time of the whole "eco friendly video game" craze, like that McDonald's one (which I also had)
...man I kinda want to play these games now
 
@GraceNote Even with replies like rchern scripts?
 
And now here's your daily dose of WTF Japan
 
2:40 PM
They sound fairly interesting. Excuse me while I eat my lunch. Delicious, delicious pita.
 
@Mvy Explicit replies work in a similar fashion but those aren't so much directed at F'x as they are at a message in chat.
 
I was 'bp' before it was banned. cool.
 
man, Awesome Possum. That stupid last level where it had those golden spikes placed right where you would land after a long jump.
 
Stupid notifications.
 
I had to use an invincibility code to beat that damn game.
 
2:42 PM
@Manaಠдಠ ! I don't think I've ever found anyone else who played that!
 
Oh god, Awesome Possum?
 
Do you remember that you could set the amount he talked?
 
Nah, I'm just messing with you, I haven't actually played it.
 
I didn't remember that, actually.
 
Bad, Powerlord, no for you!
 
2:43 PM
Thanks @badp and @GraceNote ! Making my life easier
 
Yeah, you could set him from silent to like chatterbox or whatever
 
@BrettWhiteΨ No problem!
 
What were some other cool obscure Genesis games I played as a kid...There was McDonald's Treasure Land Adventure
So many people hate on that game but I thought it was awesome, especially the soundtrack
it's also stupidly difficult on Hard
 
@Manaಠдಠ I don't think that's the same McDonald's game I played
The one I played had a recycling minigame in it
 
I remember some kind of promotional "party" game I used to play every time I was with my cousins. It was called 'Punto per Punto', it had an awesome graphical design and it's completely been erased from history as far as I can see
 
2:45 PM
Ah ha M.C. Kids
 
Can anyone explain to me the usefulness of the boss-fights tag?
 
So I guess you can't get much more obscure while being released to the public for free.
 
It was actually a pretty clever game
 
@LessPopMoreFizz I love you.
 
2:46 PM
@sjohnston It's about as useful as 'Weapons' and 'Strategy', which is to say, not very IMO.
 
@sjohnston Categorization moreso than filtering. Same as "weapons", more useful than the otherwise vague and bleh "strategy"
 
while I agree should die in a fire, why is useless?
 
@LessPop_MoreFizz The only thing I thought was: "AAAAAAAAARGH americans can already play aaaaaaaaaarg"
 
@CruelCow Hate that so much man, I feel your pain
 
@CruelCow I know.
 
2:48 PM
@FallenAngelEyes Same reason that "boss-fights" can be considered useless.
 
@FallenAngelEyes I feel like the main purpose of tags is for filtering and searching. Why would you explicitly want to see (or search for) questions tagged with "weapons" or "boss-fights"
 
The fun thing is, when the boxed set arrives, I'm still going to download it from Steam because I don't have an optical drive in my PC.
 
@sjohnston Because you're an expert at killing things, obviously!
 
@FallenAngelEyes Then, I believe, you would use the murder tag
 
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Q: Good online math or logic educational games for 6y?

avjAs he has found out the internet anyway, I would like him to spend time more useful. Most of Google search results for "online educational games kids" looks like 1995, so, maybe, you can suggest something really interesting.

 
2:50 PM
@StackExchange Make sure this doesn't get migrated to us plox.
 
omg game-rec die, die game-rec clicks
Oh.
 
@sjohnston The kind of scenario it would be used in would be the same reason you might, say, pore through the "weapons index" in a strategy guide rather than look up each weapon individually.
It creates a categorical element for browsing, moreso than searching. Which is indeed not the primary usage of tags.
 
wiki.teamfortress.com/wiki/Noise_Maker <-- Is there a header for the birthday one, and if so, could someone give me the link to it?
 
Hmm. I kind of want to skip work today and play more Deus Ex. Its been a while since a game hooked me like that.
 
2:52 PM
Our questions are, by nature, specified to singular points of interest, to keep things from being too overwhelming. But rather than leave everything in a haphazard, unorganized mess, some can see that tags can be used to introduce a more organizational point to allow for "sections" of our library.
 
@sjohnston I had that with Portal 2.
 
In a sense, the sum of questions underneath one game's tag is something of a "Big FAQ/Walkthrough" for the game, while the categorical tags are your sections of aforementioned FAQ/Walkthrough.
 
@ArdaXi I probably would have, if I hadn't completed it in a weekend.
 
@ArdaXi Thanks. I needed it to link to it on the [TF2] Holidays plugin thread.
 
@GraceNote Alright, I guess I can buy that philosophy.
 
2:53 PM
@Powerlord I figured.
 
By the by, here's the latest meta-topic on unique domain names for each SE site
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Q: A Plea For Actual Domain Identities

VxJasonxVThere is a blog post from Joel on the Stack Exchange blog around the time of WebApps' Area 51 Graduation: A while ago, I wrote: “Individually-branded sites felt more authentic and trustworthy. We thought that letting every Stack Exchange site have its own domain name, visual identit...

 
It's plausible and functional to have a giant FAQ/Walkthrough that has no sections - Ctrl+F still works, just like search still works on our site. The tags simply serve as an additional method.
 
Spoiler: Not much has changed.
 
@Manaಠдಠ To be fair, this is a different argument and is not about unique names for each site as it is "Those of us who got a name should have it as a primary domain like AskUbuntu does"
 
@Manaಠдಠ Sweet Jesus, YES. I am so tired of referring to us as "that gaming site I hang out on" to my friends.
 
2:56 PM
@Grace Fair enough, I put it badly.
 
@Manaಠдಠ That would mean Programming.SE, Computers.SE, et cetera.
 
In other words, that proposal has nothing to do with us other than to mock our incompetence at getting a name. Other than that 8bitlavapwnpwnies one.
 
pwnies.com is a great name, you all suck
 
I would take 8bitlavapwnpwnies.com over gaming.stackexchange.com
 
8-bit lava covers Minecraft, and pwn ponies covers TF2. It's perfect.
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