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GnomeSlice

9:00 PM

Francis HATES the Nintendo 2DS

@Mana No, scroll down.

> *Not actually a real device or price. See dreams for details.

Mana

oh my god, that site is wickedly good.

I want to post it in my work's chatroom but I don't want to come off like a moron

Wipqozn

@Yuki I will at some point. When is it coming out?

Ronan Forman

@Mana Do it! Invoke the moron!

I believe in you.

Mana

oh I'm always invoking the moron

Ronan Forman

Why stop now?

FEichinger

9:02 PM

@Mana It's awkward how real it feels.

Like ... I could totally picture them doing it.

GnomeSlice

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Ronan Forman

I hate all the people ranting about the 2DS, they're all like "I already have a 3DS why would..." and I'm like shut up! It's not for you!

Yuki

@Wipqozn I'm not sure if there's a release date.

I'd have to look it up.

Are you going to get one of the console ports or the PC version, @Wipqozn?

@Fluttershy is going to get the PC version, apparently, so that's probably what I'm going to do as well.

Wipqozn

@Yuki PS3

I'm a little worried.

Yuki

@Wipqozn Well, hopefully they'll have PS3/PC cross-platform functionality like they did for Portal 2...

GnomeSlice

9:06 PM

@Wipqozn Very nice.

Wipqozn

The creator of the series isn't working on it I believe, and the new head developer has said something about making it easier.

OrigamiRobot

@RonanForman Except it would be for me if it were clamshell.

GnomeSlice

@RonanForman Yeah I know what you mean.

Wipqozn

I'm worried he's going to turn it into Baby's First RPG

GnomeSlice

If you don't want one... just don't buy one?

Yuki

9:06 PM

@Wipqozn That "making it easier" was a mistranslation.

GnomeSlice

@RonanForman I just really like the character of Francis

> I don't really blame Nintendo, I mean I saw the comments and some of them were rage filled with unnecessary amounts of caps and curse words. No reason to freak out over this; the 2DS fits a certain demographic(kids and/or people that don't care about the 3D and find the $130 most appealing). The 3DS and 3DS XL still exist, if you don't like the 2DS take a chill pill and move on.

Yuki

@Wipqozn polygon.com/2013/6/13/4425468/…

GnomeSlice

^

Wipqozn

@GnomeSlice People can complain about things being stupid without buying them.

Powerlord

@badp Is ANTI-TERRORISTI plural?

GnomeSlice

9:07 PM

@Wipqozn If it doesn't affect you, why complain?

Don't buy one and you won't have to worry about it.

Don't poop on it for everyone else too.

OrigamiRobot

I would gladly have bought a 3DS minus the 3D. I never use it anyway.

Wipqozn

@GnomeSlice Because complaining is fun.

Powerlord

(I'm pulling translation phrases from CS:GO's files)

Ronan Forman

I'm fine with people complaining about things, but don't make up reasons so you can.

GnomeSlice

@OrigamiRobot I'd still stick with the 3DS for portability, just turn the 3D slider down.

Wipqozn

9:08 PM

@GnomeSlice If someone didn't buy a 2DS just because the internet at large doesn't like it then they're dumb.

GnomeSlice

@RonanForman I agree with this a lot.

OrigamiRobot

@GnomeSlice THAT'S WHY PEOPLE ARE COMPLAINING ABOUT THE 2DS

GnomeSlice

@Wipqozn Your average soccermom is probably going to look at amazon reviews and stuff when she goes to buy her new toddler a gameboy thing and she's going to see a bunch of hate and stuff and skip it.

@OrigamiRobot Why complain though?

Keep your 3DS

Yuki

Invariably, people complaining about the 2DS have 3DS's already. It's very easy to turn that thing into a 2DS. It's called turning the 3D slider all the way down.

GnomeSlice

How does this negatively impact you?

OrigamiRobot

9:09 PM

I am complaining about the poor design choice.

GnomeSlice

@OrigamiRobot Poor for whom?

OrigamiRobot

Everyone.

Yuki

Honestly, the 2DS looks like a fairly good design for the games it's meant to be played (i.e. Pokemon X and Y).

GnomeSlice

@OrigamiRobot Eh, I think it looks okay as a kids thing.

Wipqozn

@GnomeSlice Do people buy toddlers gameboys?

Yuki

9:10 PM

@Wipqozn YES.

GnomeSlice

@Wipqozn I think that's what nintendo was getting at with the 2DS. It's targeted at children 2-6

Jason Berkan

Define toddler.

Yuki

I know kids that aren't even in 1st grade with cell phones.

Wipqozn

@Yuki That's silly.

OrigamiRobot

@GnomeSlice You don't even understand the complaints. You just saying "it's for kids. It's OK."

StrixVaria

9:10 PM

@Yuki I don't have a 3DS yet but I'm definitely getting a 3DS, not a 2DS, for Pokemon X/Y.

FEichinger

@Wipqozn Yes, it is.

Wipqozn

@Yuki 1st grade isn't toddler.

GnomeSlice

@OrigamiRobot I don't understand the reason for the complaints in the first place.

People are getting angry about it, like Nintendo has taken something away from them.

FEichinger

On a different note, KSP Weekly, September 03 '13

OrigamiRobot

@GnomeSlice Look at where the ABXY buttons are.

GnomeSlice

9:11 PM

Which is just... :D

Yuki

@Wipqozn It's a fairly apt comparison for parents buying electronics for children that really wouldn't be able to use them.

Wipqozn

@GnomeSlice Some people are just stupid.

GnomeSlice

@OrigamiRobot I haven't used my DS Lite in a long time, is it not the same orientation?

That reminds me I need to try to order a new touch screen for it

Wipqozn

You can't group "complains about 2DS" with "gets angry and want to burn Nintendo to the ground".

GnomeSlice

Mine is going bad

OrigamiRobot

9:12 PM

@GnomeSlice This is why you are stupid to say people shouldn't complain.

Powerlord

@GnomeSlice No... on normal DS and 3DS models, the buttons are next to the lower screen.

OrigamiRobot

You don't even take the time to look at what they are complaining about.

Powerlord

Although the Start and Select buttons move around with (literally) every DS release.

GnomeSlice

@OrigamiRobot Why complain about something that you aren't going to buy?

Yuki

The 2DS design gets rid of the biggest structural weakness in the 3DS, which are the hinges, and children are the most likely to break device with a clamshell design.

GnomeSlice

9:12 PM

I'm pretty sure it's not targeted at people who already own a 3DS

RedRiderX

OrigamiRobot

@GnomeSlice Because I would have bought it.

Ronan Forman

Yeah actually, because the shoulder buttons are on the side, they had to move others so you can reach them all, but then can't reach the touch screen with your thumbs.

Wipqozn

@GnomeSlice Why defend something you're not going to buy?

OrigamiRobot

I'm not buying it because of it's design.

GnomeSlice

9:13 PM

@OrigamiRobot But... why? You have a 3DS?

I don't understand...

@RedRiderX Oh, they moved them to the top half?

Interesting.

OrigamiRobot

@GnomeSlice You do understand that you don't need personal stock in something to make an argument about it, right?

Yuki

@RonanForman Reaching the touch screen without lifting your hand is important for games that require good reaction times, but with turn-based "take your time" games like Pokemon and Fire Emblem, it's not so bad.

GnomeSlice

@OrigamiRobot To be honest, not really.

Sometimes I guess.

Ronan Forman

@Yuki Yeah fine. But that doesn't explain why they did it.

OrigamiRobot

You are hopeless. Back to ignoring.

GnomeSlice

9:15 PM

Thanks for the star, whoever did that.

OrigamiRobot

I regret ever stopping.

GnomeSlice

@OrigamiRobot Sorry. Talk to you later I guess.

Yuki

@RonanForman Circuitry issues? Maybe it's not possible to put all the buttons and controls so close to each other with a touchscreen right there.

Ronan Forman

@Yuki Wha- they managed it with the DS and that's like 5 years old.

Wipqozn

I don't understand why they removed the fold.

Yuki

9:16 PM

@RonanForman The DS is also a clamshell design.

Wipqozn

I'd be too worried about the screen breaking due to a kid dropping it.

Ronan Forman

@Yuki How does that affect anything?

Yuki

3 mins ago, by Yuki

The 2DS design gets rid of the biggest structural weakness in the 3DS, which are the hinges, and children are the most likely to break device with a clamshell design.

OrigamiRobot

@Yuki Why would a non clamshell prevent the same button placement on the lower half?

Wipqozn

@Yuki Makes sense, but I'd be worried about the screens breaking now due to dropping it when not playing.

@OrigamiRobot Yeah, I hate the button placement.

OrigamiRobot

9:17 PM

@Yuki And reveals a more important weakness: The screens.

FEichinger

@OrigamiRobot That might be related to the wedge shape, actually.

GnomeSlice

They probably spread them out because kids have less fine motor controls.

Also I feel like the thing is meant to be used while resting on the floor or a table or something, but I'm just guessing.

Ronan Forman

@GnomeSlice They've managed for that past 25 years kids have been playing console games.

FEichinger

@GnomeSlice It very much seems like it.

GnomeSlice

Wipqozn

9:19 PM

@GnomeSlice That could be true, but I'd think most parents that would buy something like for their kdis would be buying ti for them on the go.

Like for car rides or if they need to go to a doctor or something.

Yuki

@RonanForman I dunno, I hated the N64 controller design. The entire left half (D-Pad and left shoulder) was unreachable and it was nearly impossible to hit C-Up.

Wipqozn

Or going through a grocery store, stuff like that.

GnomeSlice

@Wipqozn Maybe, but I feel like this is more of a stay-at-home fixture like a console than a mobile thing. It doesn't seem very portable.

Wipqozn

:11065994 On the guy gnome, jeez. For when kids are ri- no... no... I'm not going to go there.

GnomeSlice

@Wipqozn you uh

Ronan Forman

9:20 PM

@Yuki I didn't find that when I was using it earlier today, the sensitivity of the analogue stick was my issue.

Yuki

@RonanForman "Earlier today". I had problems reaching them with my tiny, tiny hands when I was a kid.

GnomeSlice

@Yuki You were supposed to move your left hand to use the dpad and left shoulder

Some games used the dpad but most used the stick

Yuki

@GnomeSlice I'm assuming that's exactly what you're supposed to do with the 2DS's layout.

Wipqozn

@GnomeSlice Yeah, I'm talking about what I think people will be using it for though.

Yuki

Well, moving the hand. Not necessarily to hit those specific controls.

GnomeSlice

9:21 PM

@Wipqozn Yeah, I dunno, I can't really comment on that.

Because I don't know what I would use it for because I don't have children.

If I did I probably wouldn't bring it out and about with them though.

Wipqozn

Designing a car without wheels because you want to target it at people who don't drive doesn't make any sense.

GnomeSlice

I'd take it on like trips and things.

Wipqozn

Making a portable console meant for use at home for a target audience that will mostly be playing it on the go also doesn't make sense.

FEichinger

Wheeee, I have a contract.

Wipqozn

@GnomeSlice If I had kids that's exactly when I would bring it out. Kids get bored when their folks are running errands. Portable games helps them be less bored.

GnomeSlice

9:22 PM

Can somebody clear the stars on origamirobot's last message please?

It's making me feel bad.

@Wipqozn Yeah, it does seem kind of strange.

Thanks, mystery hero.

Yuki

@Wipqozn Wait. Doesn't "portable" mean "to be used while in motion, or on the go"?

Wipqozn

@Yuki I said that wrong,. Look now.

spugsley

Another healthy reminder to NEVER move to NC: wbtv.com/story/23318847/…

Fuck this state.

Wipqozn

@spugsley Plus you live there.

GnomeSlice

@spugsley ...what.

spugsley

9:24 PM

@GnomeSlice yeah. Shit like this happens ALL THE TIME in NC

Wipqozn

Holy fucking shit.

No wonder housing is so cheap there. Who would ever want to live there?

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Yuki

@Wipqozn Also, that car analogy is completely incongruous. People who don't drive simply won't buy cars. Are you saying that Nintendo is designing the 2DS for people who don't play games?

Wipqozn

I take it this is one of those states where Obama lost because he's black?

GnomeSlice

> "Pennycooke then acknowledges the request is a "sensitive situation" and said quality trumps quantity."

That's absolutely shameful.

Wipqozn

9:26 PM

I remember seeing part of that video where this group went around interviewing people from the south, and far, far too many of them refused to vote for Obama because of his skin colour.

It was appalling.

GnomeSlice

@Wipqozn I'm glad we live in Canada.

spugsley

@Wipqozn yup. That's NC's thing.

@GnomeSlice you should be

GnomeSlice

There's still racism here, but not like in the southern parts of the US

OrigamiRobot

@Wipqozn Nah, he won NC IIRC.

Wipqozn

@Yuki I couldn't come up with a better analogy on shrot notice, but that was th eidea. They're designing a product for a target audience which doesn't exist if it's meant to be at-home toddlers.

spugsley

9:27 PM

@GnomeSlice very few places are as racist as the southeastern US

OrigamiRobot

@spugsley openly*

GnomeSlice

@spugsley ractist sounds like a metal band

spugsley

@OrigamiRobot fair enough

@GnomeSlice bahahaha

Wipqozn

@GnomeSlice There was an incident in Nova Scotia a year ago which involved Racism. I can't remember all the details but it was all over the new network wide because of just how rare it was in Canada. It was all over TV for a long time.

GnomeSlice

'Revenge Porn' is getting bad enough that California is making laws about it

@Wipqozn I don't remember that, but I don't really listen to the news.

It is pretty rare here though.

OrigamiRobot

9:29 PM

Just because people in some places have the common sense to know it's impolite doesn't mean it doesn't exist in those places.

Same with sexism.

Jason Berkan

@GnomeSlice I still see a lot of racism, just not against blacks.

GnomeSlice

I don't see much, but I'm not the most observant apple in the drawer.

spugsley

@GnomeSlice lol apple in the drawer is like the most adorable expression I've ever heard

Wipqozn

@JasonBerkan Really? I don't really see any. Then again, maybe it's just because of the company I choose to keep.

Jason Berkan

@Wipqozn Head into any small town near a reserve and go for coffee. You'll hear (and see) racism.

RedRiderX

9:38 PM

There are still places in Canada (and, I imagine, elsewhere) where there has been so little diversity for so long, that while it's not openly discussed, there can be some very racist assumptions buried deep in the fabric of "unspoken knowledge".

Kinda like ticks. Sleeping, cranky ticks.

Wipqozn

@JasonBerkan Well that sucks. I knew racism against Natives was the most wide spread in NA, but didn't think it was that widespread.

err, NA should be Canada.

OrigamiRobot

People are equally shitty no matter where you go.

The best you can do is try not to be shitty yourself.

Jason Berkan

@Wipqozn It's also unfortunate that there is a lot of justifiable hatred of the white man among native communities. I honestly can't believe how screwed up we've made things.

RedRiderX

@RedRiderX Sometimes you don't even know it's there, if you aren't the "target demographic", so to speak. You can be talking about the weather, who's getting married, and then: "I hear [person] is dating a black." Followed by knowing nods and clucks from those around.

Yuki

Rule of thumb: A person doesn't suck. People suck.

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RedRiderX

9:45 PM

It's kind of breathtaking, sometimes.

Wipqozn

@RedRiderX If someone said something like that when they were talking to me, I wouldn't nod and chuckle. I'd ask them why it matters. Then I might never talk to them again.

@JasonBerkan Such as?

There's been a very... dark history between Canada and naitves, but I wouldn't call iot justifiable hatred for whites as a whole.

That's how racism and the like exists.

Jason Berkan

@Wipqozn Residential schools?

Wipqozn

You hate an entire group for the actions of individuals.

Jason Berkan

Maybe justifiable was a little strong.

Wipqozn

Understandable would have been a better choice, I think.

Given the point I think you're trying to convey.

RAcism is almost never justified, since you're basing entire groups on a select subset of that group.

RedRiderX

9:50 PM

@Wipqozn Yeah, definitely. But when it's family or pseudo-close family, it can be hard.

Wipqozn

When people make ridiculous "all black people are thugs" it's not justified just because they've known black people who were thugs. It might be understandable, but not justified.

Case in point: I think my generation would be appalled on the whole on how North Americans were treated in the past.

OrigamiRobot

@RedRiderX Most of my family back home is like this

Wipqozn

IT's not fair to judge me based on how people in the past behaved.

OrigamiRobot

I just try to avoid the topic.

And them in general

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