@NobodyNeedsNames its within /*these*/ which i believe makes it a comment

yah, but I remove the *, right?

Then you can use /*//kdfjakefjkdsfj

There are varous ways to make comments hard to break

and also this is only one strategy and it might not break many other programs

the fact that youre having so much fun trying to break just one program speaks to the supreme genius of this challenge :P

brainfuck might have a very big upper hand at not including (){} and being virtually un-error-able

I don't think the C program is strong at all, just a demonstration that it possible even in a somewhat verbose language

@NobodyNeedsNames You need to produce a valid output too

@mousetail what's the output format again?

ohh

The index of the character you want to remove in base 10, a space, then the literal value of the character

why the space and the byte value, ruins all the fun

Purposefully a bit complex so you are unlikely to produce it by accident

Also it forces you to actually read the input

brainfuck program on the way...

im excited now honestly lol

Sad that none of the top answerers are here in chat :(

idk how stdin works though

some confusing characters with no impact ^&%^$&^@!***( {}{}}{)))( SOMEPLUSESFORTHENUMBER0ANDASPACE getinput print0 printspace outputinput

@graffe im on my side account right now, i assure you i am a sock of one of the top users on the site /j

also lol if someone writes a program that doesnt take input and just guesses

... tempting myself with that one actually

Probably won't last very long but would be very funny

lol yes

@mousetail i mean making it last is an issue of radiation hardening it

scoring is another issue

@thejonymyster If you produce invalid output you are eliminated. So you need to read the source code to output the correct character

oh right! shoot

i was thinking it just had to be in valid form

misremembering, the rule is pretty clear

also "the victims byte" => "the victim's byte"

and try not to target brainfuck specifically

@NobodyNeedsNames Just remove the first [ or ], would work for many other languages too

already broken, two spaces in the output instead of one :P

most languages use () or {} right?

@thejonymyster wait really?

@thejonymyster where?

...in the output

@NobodyNeedsNames A solid program could probaly look for all 3 types (){}[]

should be an easy fix though

@thejonymyster in the output, where?

...wait wtf

Seems there is a NULL byte in the output

ahh

thought it was a space

one quick fix later... tio.run/##SypKzMxLK03O/…

@NobodyNeedsNames A program targeting C would probably take a few attempts at that, nicely done

@mousetail what makes it want to take out the "[" or "]" especially instead of the "(){}" that is way before in the program and seem stupid?

@NobodyNeedsNames Maybe it looks for middle values first since most programs have the most useful stuff in the middle

or maybe itd check which ones are actually matching lol (that would be easy to dodge too though)

hmm, then we can add more rubbish in the middle

*/r)({}h#,.[]/ are all suspicious characters but only 4 matter, and they are in the very middle

bf has the advantage of having a lot of characters which are comments for free, but the disadvantage that you cant really do anything if you lose one of your actual characters

@thejonymyster of course: main(){} except it is actually brainfuck

@thejonymyster yes indeed

picking interesting languages for this would also be fun

imagining a hexagony answer designed to survive shrinking hexagon sizes xd

I hope people will try competing even in less competitive languages for fun

revised: tio.run/…

@thejonymyster yah lol

@thejonymyster why? if you take out like 20% of the source code there's no need to "design" to survive shrinking hex sizes

@mousetail me too, and let's hope there are some submissions in Malbalge or how is that spelled

Hi PyGamer

BTW gotta go man, just ping me bunches and I'll be back in 30 minutes

@NobodyNeedsNames hi

this is the last time i post this message:

suggestion: you should totally steal it from vyxal

@thejonymyster done

lol

jelly has them

idk jelly :P

> Any and all; return 0 if z is empty, or contains a falsey value when flattened, else 1.

> All; return 0 if z contains a falsey value, else 1.

ah i get it

ty

json decode but no json encode?

useful for challenges where json is the input format

@thejonymyster you can blame seggan for that

we don't have a json encode

right but why not the other way around :P

because the amount of challenges where you need to output json are few

@thejonymyster added

although it doesnt really make sense for a language without any strings

@lyxal yes but its also sort of a thing where youd be doing a challenge where you do need it and going like "why does it have one way but not the other"

but yea fair i didnt consider that

@Seggan explain yourself for I am doing a horrible job

@PyGamer0 would i use œt if i wanted split at specific indices based on the index numbers themselves?

or o for split at occurrences

@thejonymyster i think i coped that from jelly, i think its "split a list at the index before the truthy indices of another list"

oh hm

@thejonymyster can you give an example?

@PyGamer0 unless you mean "Partition y after truthy indices of x. (k)", you got it elsewhere :p

i have this magic number list [3,5,19], and lists X that i need to split at those specific indices

oop found the jelly version

Split list x at occurrences of y.

no wait

that's not it

Yeah Jelly don't indice split

so if it were a string, i need "abcdefghijklmnopqrstuv" to become "abc", "de", "fghijklmnopqrst", "uv" or something to that effect

@thejonymyster huh i should add that that sounds useful

yeah, it was pissin me off that js didnt have it when i needed it lol

though tbf that time it could have just been a "split at indices where..."

ok its now assigned to k

ok

what character is that omg

curved k by the looks of it

I thinl

ascii k

lol

oh wtf is that just how it looks in code form? weird

(on chat anyway)

what's cartesian power?

wait i can google that gfsdg

@lyxal Yes

Maybe just plain parentheses would be better than curly braces

@thejonymyster I think we both thought it was ⲕ

@thejonymyster I'm guessing it's a cartesian product only with N copies of the same thing

@lyxal yeah

@mousetail no i was just looking for exponentiation

why is it so far from the other math ops lol

dumb idea: sign preserving exponentiation

(-2)^3 = -8

idk if thats useful LOL im just brainstrorming

reversed concat is fun

@thejonymyster you might be interested in this little list of core functions a golfing language should probably have

and by little, I mean 340 things I stole from a multitude of languages used on cgcc

yes lol

not drooling and crying emote

@PyGamer0 you have capitals and smalls, do you have "both"s

for letters i mean lol

also [a-zA-Z0-9_] and [a-zA-Z0-9] tends to come up maybe

i wish hax were here

but theres nohaxjustradvylf hi lol

yeah gosh dang it nohaxjustradvylf

we never get to see hax anymore :(

it's been years, is hax even still alive?

I actually deprecated hax; they've been replaced by me as of version 1.1.7

i used to be a hacker like you but then i took a 90s computer monitor to the head

alt: noflaxjustradvylf

For LDW, I'm working on RTO right now, but I've got a ton of ideas for future languages to dorp hints about

i should get back to work on my language but everything suuuuucks :D

@NoHaxJustRadvylf please do dorp hints im very curious in the things you make

E.g., I'm working on a Rust library which will contain hundreds of common golfing language operators, which I can use to make a normal SBCS golfing language, catstruct, something new (:o), all at once

ah smart

CMP: Which do y'all think will be finished first? Radvylf's Rust library or vyxal 3?

It'll also handle arbitrary precision numbers and infinite lists, two things I've wanted for my next golfing lang for ages but totally couldn't be bothered to do in JS

oh that reminds me shouldnt we index version numbers at 0

plus it means anything prerelease would be negative

@lyxal I'm gonna guess my Rust library, since I'm guaranteed to get bored of RTO within a week and start on it :p

@thejonymyster Usually we do, right?

> finished

no i mean like

0.x.x for pre-final-release

ok fair yea

im used to games which keep getting releases idk how it works in other software

@lyxal Yeah but once I start on a new project, this being summer and me having no life, I can usually grind it out in like a week of 8 hour days (see Trianguish :p)

also i think this is how we should do version numbers

@thejonymyster I use 0.x.x for the testing/progress builds

I don't version anything because I usually either am actively writing it, haven't touched it in three years, or have three separate and slightly different releases of it in different places

E.g., rSNBATWPL, which has minor variations between the NPM, GitHub, and downloaded-on-my-laptop copies :p

@NoHaxJustRadvylf That seems like a good reason to use versioning

@mousetail That would be a huge pain for very little real improvement

@lyxal A fellow Zerover user, I see :P

@NoHaxJustRadvylf You can automate it

@user laughs in v0.0.0

@NoHaxJustRadvylf I suggest you version it every month, version 2022August or something

@lyxal Yeah I've kinda lost my motivation to do much right now but I promise I'll pick it up again in a couple weeks

@NoHaxJustRadvylf NPM should have whatever your latest release was, and github should have whatever commit you're working on (as should the laptop version) unless of course you don't actually push changes regularly in which case start pushing more often

@NobodyNeedsNames That would be really really useless since I usually finish a project in way less than a month, meaning there'd be only a single version, and/or take year long breaks halfway through

@lyxal I don't git

Github is my google drive

@user the scala part is only half the battle - I'm more talking about the painful process of choosing what does what

It's just so I have a way to share stuff with people

@NoHaxJustRadvylf There is your problem

^

Much easier to version in git

get github desktop at least

@NoHaxJustRadvylf It amazes me that you can make such good software while managing it so horribly

^

I know I should use Git, but a) it's a pain on a Chromebook and b) I don't really see much real gain from it