The Nineteenth Byte

Unrelated String

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sad

OldSandboxPosts

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Sandbox posts last active a week ago: Grid Aligned (Quad?) Linked List, Make me a k-NN classifier, The Con Man

lyxal

Do y'all just ever online uni for a semester and then realise you've forgotten how to physical university?

Because I do be like that

Jo King

01:21

@lyxal i haven't physically been to uni since the start of the pandemic. I think i'll graduate before i have to go back

lyxal

01:59

y'know, for a uni with campus wide wifi, there are a surprising amount of personal hotspots being used

also, yes, I'm in physical lecture, so expect intermittent summarisations

it'll be just like last time I had lectures

user

02:14

@JoKing Are they charging you less because it's virtual?

Jo King

lol no

user

oof

The university I'm going to go to has been open in person since the start of this school (well, college) year. They even require that classes are held in person, and apparently there's only like one professor who streams and records his classes

CMQ: Dumbest thing (cybersecurity-wise) that you've done?

Aiden Chow

03:05

can input be taken by inserting it into the code? if so, how is the length of the code counted (before insertion or after insertion?)

emanresu A

@AidenChow Underload and /// do

Aiden Chow

@emanresuA so is it allowed? how is code length counted?

emanresu A

Not sure, you can have a look on meta

hyper-neutrino

it's only allowed because /// does not have a way to take input otherwise

inserting input into the code is generally not allowed

emanresu A

So for desmos, probably allowed if you can't use a function

(If that's why you were asking)

Aiden Chow

03:15

ok so im trying to use functions in geogebra for input, but its really jank. i am not aware of any other way of taking in input other than inserting it into a variable

like when i try to use a function, the code doesnt work, but using just variables, it works

Aiden Chow

03:36

wait nvm i figured out how to get input through an input box

^ is that allowed?

emanresu A

Probably

Bubbler

Yes, input box is OK (like JS's prompt)

Aiden Chow

ummm ok... this is a bit strange, but i cant seem to type a comma into the input box, but i can still put in commas into the input by editing the variable that is linked to the input box. is that fine?

heres the code for reference: geogebra.org/calculator/zfzbsmn4

.... and when i save it the comma disappears

wth

Bubbler

I'd just guess geogebra is very against general programming

Aiden Chow

so can i just post this answer as is?

Bubbler

03:46

No, it can't take a string that contains commas

Aiden Chow

@Bubbler ok so this is a bit of a conundrum. an input can contain a comma if directly inserting the input into the code is allowed, but if i use an input box, it cant take input containing commas for some random reason

Bubbler

Yeah, that's really weird

In that case I'd just allow the input to be inserted directly into code

Aiden Chow

@Bubbler how is code length counted in this case? do i count it before the insertion or after the insertion?

emanresu A

presumably, you count the length with empty input

Bubbler

Before the insertion, yes

emanresu A

03:54

And you'd probably count the length as what text you can paste into the codebox to get something that works, like desmos

Aiden Chow

im getting two conflicting answers here...

emanresu A

Wdym? I'm pretty sure we're saying the same thing

Aiden Chow

@emanresuA u are saying that i have to count the length of the shortest input, while bubbler is saying that i dont even need to count the input at all

in your case, i have to add "a" for 3 extra bytes

emanresu A

Hmm, okay. I agree with bubbler's one

Bubbler

Doesn't it allow an empty string?

I'd say you need to count "" delimiters, but not anything inside (so "" chars are part of your code, and the input will go between them)

Aiden Chow

04:00

@Bubbler wth, im getting an error if i insert it directly, but no error through the input box

Bubbler

wat

Also, how would you represent the code in plaintext?

Does copy-pasting it into geogebra work?

Aiden Chow

Zip(Sum(Zip("0",b,1…5-floor(log(3,a))))+ToBase(a,3),a,TextToUnicode())

^ can i just post this as an answer and put something saying that input is through insertion?

Aiden Chow

04:14

ok wutever i posted it

Bubbler

Really not sure what to do with this

emanresu A

That's what meta's for :)

Aiden Chow

@emanresuA so you are saying that i should ask on meta about this?

emanresu A

Probably

Aiden Chow

@emanresuA ive never written a post on meta before, how should i tag it?

emanresu A

04:27

discussion?

Bubbler

You can tag yours the same as the one about desmos

Aiden Chow

im really bad at wording this, can someone else write up a meta post about this

New Posts

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Q: How should taking in string input be scored in GeoGebra?

I have recently started to use GeoGebra for some code golf challenges involving strings, and have come across a conundrum which I want to ask the meta about, which prompts the more general question of how GeoGebra should be scored in regards to taking in input. The problem I was attempting the ch...

Aiden Chow

^ i posted it

hopefully theres nothing wrong with it

Radvylf Programs

05:40

TIL Ba'al from xkcd is actually in the Bible

Unrelated String

06:03

external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/…

hyper-neutrino

06:50

pro tip if you prepend ! to a link it forces chat to try to make it an image even if it doesn't end with an image extension / has query args or smth

Unrelated String

ahh

hyper-neutrino

is it better to do e=>e.a or ({a})=>a (JS)

both in terms of style and performance

emanresu A

#1's probably faster

Destructuring requires some complex pattern matching

hyper-neutrino

ah. okay

emanresu A

What do you host your server on?

WTF halfwit has 33 downloads this week

hyper-neutrino

07:14

→ 1 message moved to The Nineteenth Bakery

@emanresuA racknerd.com

lyxal

@emanresuA is that total clones or total unique cloners?

emanresu A

npm installs

lyxal

Ah

emanresu A

npmjs.com/package/halfwit

lyxal

You must be a popular esolang designer then :p

emanresu A

07:22

¯\_(ツ)_/¯ I guess

The github page has 23 views though...

lyxal

blog.npmjs.org/post/92574016600/…

Apparently some of it is mirrors downloading it

Which is also probably how vyxal got 97 "downloads" from the pypi last week

Gotta love bots downloading your packages :p

ophact

07:36

Yep

My PPL package got 17 installs in the past week

PyGamer0

08:00

im back

\o

emanresu A

Oh no, ATO got hacked!

Bubbler

> Australian Taxation Office

PyGamer0

lmao

lyxal

@Bubbler it's almost as if that's the joke

ophact

08:29

@emanresuA Oh no! TIO (Times of India) is next.

hyper-neutrino

isn't ATO online redundant /s

PyGamer0

@ophact lmao thats TOI not TIO

PyGamer0

09:01

i think i made the best prime number tester (in range 0..32)

emanresu A

ಠ_ಠ

PyGamer0

let me link it

tinyurl.com/2p9776v2

^ there

emanresu A

what have you done

Oct 29 '21 at 23:29, by emanresu A

https://joelgrus.com/2016/05/23/fizz-buzz-in-tensorflow/

PyGamer0

lol prime tester using neural networks

it works decently

Fatalize

@DLosc The general rule is that in Brachylog, "string related" things have a dot below, and "math/constraint" related things have a dot above

Holds for both predicates and variables

ophact

09:24

@PyGamer0 Oops, looks like I wasn't thinking. I literally just grabbed a random name from a webpage after searching up "TIO" and clicking on an abbreviation website. My brain doesn't work today

PyGamer0

lmao

Fmbalbuena

10:03

Hi

Wheat Wizard

10:26

@emanresuA Reads like a bargain bin Aphyr.

lyxal

12:45

do you ever just

because it do be like that sometimes

it is what it is

mathcat

@emanresuA lyxal was that you?

sus

lyxal

no why would I hack ATO? ATO is the best

mathcat

oh, and if you really are a sock of pxeger, you wouldn't

me typing be like ^

Wheat Wizard

13:02

There's no Jelly answer to this yet:

20

Q: Output every sublist ... eventually

You will be given as input an infinite stream of positive integers. Your task is to write a program which outputs an infinite sequence of lists with two requirements: All lists in the output are finite sub-lists of the input stream. Every sub-list must be output eventually by your program. Sub-...

code-golf math sequence subsequence open-ended-function

I'm interested to see how it stacks up. Does Jelly have a builtin that works?

lyxal

I didn't think Jelly supported infinite lists

because if it doesn't then I don't think there's a 1 byte answer

PyGamer0

flaxmightsupportinfinitelists

mathcat

™

lyxal

©®

Bgil Midol

noxanmightsupportinfinitelists™©®

mathcat

13:08

curowillnotsupportinfinitelists™©®℠

Wheat Wizard

@lyxal You can take input other ways though.

lyxal

@WheatWizard I don't think those other ways allow for one byte/one built-in answers.

Wheat Wizard

Maybe not, I'd still be interested.

lyxal

They require extra processing to formulate an equivalent of an infinite list

The current answers with one byte answers both support infinite lists, meaning they can just use powerset

jelly don't be like that

jelly be finite

which is weird given Dennis' 4 dimensional status and all

Ginger Industries

✋

Wheat Wizard

13:14

They might require extra processing, but I'd still be interested.

lyxal

@GingerIndustries 🍴

@WheatWizard fair enough

Wheat Wizard

Long Jelly answers are probably more interesting than short answers most the time.

Ginger Industries

@lyxal 🎐

lyxal

@GingerIndustries okay boomer

mathcat

🕶

Ginger Industries

13:16

dynalistisanarraylanguagesoofcourseitwillsupportinfinitelists™©®℠℗

@mathcat (⌐■_■)

mathcat

@GingerIndustries You got dynalist a parking sign, well done.

Ginger Industries

I sure did

lyxal

@mathcat dynalists' parking sign is useless to me

I can't drive

so how tf I'mma gon park at dynalist?

Ginger Industries

The ℗ command immediately halts the current program and attempts to shut down the host computer

lyxal

@lyxal well okay fine, I can drive, and I have driven, but I'm far from my full license - I'm still in early stages of my learner's permit

PyGamer0

13:19

flaxmightsupportthat™

Ginger Industries

if the shutdown fails then it starts hundreds of threads running infinite loops

lyxal

@GingerIndustries does it attempt to do so by making the host computers' user shut it down using mind control powers?

be cool if it did

Ginger Industries

once Elon Musk gets his MindLink thing working then maybe

mathcat

@lyxal me ~~too~~ neither, but I can park at dynalist with my cycle ⌐(■_■)

lyxal

did I mention I can't bike either?

Ginger Industries

13:21

@mathcat ⌐(■_■) EMOTICON PERSON WITH GLASSES COMMITING SUICIDE

mathcat

that was intentional

Ginger Industries

(■■_■■) they didn't call me four-eyes for nuthin

mathcat

@lyxal ah, but you surely can drive a unicycle?

lyxal

@mathcat I don't do wheels

w h e e l s n ' t

Ginger Industries

@lyxal can you ride one of Boston Dynamics' robot dogs?

lyxal

13:23

@GingerIndustries no

because I'm not in Boston

Ginger Industries

can you walk with your human legs?

mathcat

bot legs*

lyxal

I actually forget how I canonically move around

let me check

Ginger Industries

uh

lyxal

what?

mathcat

13:24

no, nothing, everything's ok

lyxal

you don't know that canonically, lyxal is a inter-galatic species?

The truth about Lyxal kind

Jul 28 '21 at 0:07, 34 minutes total – 68 messages, 8 users, 11 stars

Bookmarked Jul 28 '21 at 3:22 by lyxal

mathcat

nothing err strange

Ginger Industries

> Lyxal is a Homeopathic medicine

> Lyxal is available in liquids (solutions) and tablets and is to be taken orally.

this is absurd I love it

lyxal

gist.github.com/Lyxal/b418fe49a6f3f4fbfda993746c23fb44

that gets even more absurd

Ginger Industries

> “Do you know what happened in the hours surrounding the death of Serafino Soro?”

“No, I was asleep.”

> Lyxal wear pants if they want to. Pants are considered a human invention, and not to be trusted.

w h a t

lyxal

13:27

gist.github.com/Lyxal/4714a708e0ecf86abcddacf9993b10da

that's the one with the most details

Ginger Industries

lyxal is High Lord Naxa'kiranai Mayshynuqesoqamuqiqatilikii confirmed

mathcat

@GingerIndustries Really, they didn't teach you that in kindergarten?

lyxal

@GingerIndustries so to answer your question, maybe

I don't really know

Ginger Industries

hmm

mathcat

Repeat after me: Pants cannot be trusted.

Ginger Industries

13:28

this chatroom has lore apparently

lyxal

It's true

pants are not to be trusted

@GingerIndustries do you not know anything about the redwolf hivemind saga?

Ginger Industries

no

lyxal

The truth is accidentally leaked

Jan 22 '21 at 22:49, 42 minutes total – 47 messages, 3 users, 6 stars

Bookmarked Jan 22 '21 at 23:40 by lyxal

We're getting into the poultry business lads.

Mar 5 '21 at 22:14, 39 minutes total – 104 messages, 5 users, 4 stars

Bookmarked Mar 6 '21 at 11:19 by lyxal

user and lyxal successfully overthrow the leadership of the hivemind

Aug 1 '21 at 23:57, 21 minutes total – 105 messages, 7 users, 0 stars

Bookmarked Aug 2 '21 at 0:19 by lyxal

Ginger Industries

hmmm

theory: the hivemind is not dead, simply waiting

todo: ask radvylf if they are part of a hivemind

lyxal

@GingerIndustries no, it's being refactored

Ginger Industries

13:30

oh no

lyxal

see?

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Q: How many blocks make a "truncated square-pyramid garden"?

A truncated square-pyramid of height \$h\$ has \$h\$ square layers where each layer has a side \$1\$ greater than the one above it, apart from the top layer which is a square of blocks with a given side length. Here is a truncated square-pyramid of height \$7\$ and top side-length \$4\$ viewed fr...

code-golf sequence integer

lyxal

we have a github team for it and everything

Ginger Industries

should I be panicking

lyxal

no

because we haven't touched it since august last year

Ginger Industries

13:31

ok

good, good

lyxal

it's just been running as usual

Ginger Industries

~~now nothing stands in the way of my rise to power~~

lyxal

and besides, I moved on to helping run a limb stealing organisation

Ginger Industries

oh yea right

lyxal

Oct 10 '21 at 12:31, by lyxal

Unfortunately, I won't be stealing any limbs tonight due to the fact that my limb stealing organisation is under investigation by the authorities

Ginger Industries

13:32

how could I forget

lyxal

Oct 9 '21 at 2:14, by lyxal

It turns out stealing body parts is quite profitable star wise

Ginger Industries

you know what's even more profitable?

harvesting planets for their raw materials

that's what I've been doing

lyxal

I was going to suggest elevator stories, but okay

An intense story

May 4 '21 at 3:49, 11 minutes total – 23 messages, 3 users, 0 stars

Bookmarked May 4 '21 at 4:03 by lyxal

Aaroneous Miller

> cookie

what a random thing to say I wonder what the context for that is /s

Ginger Industries

the system is simple: I find an uninhabited solar system, use Giant Lazers to obliterate the planets, suck up and compress the dust, and finally disassemble and take away the sun(s).

lyxal

13:35

@AaroneousMiller wow i wonder too - it totally wasn't anything that caused a little edit war on a repository that has the code for a beep boop that we use

Aaroneous Miller

of course not that would never happen

Ginger Industries

the only reason I haven't done that to this solar system yet is because it's inhabited

but I can wait

lyxal

wait okay /srs for a moment

why tf are there 12 workflows on the cookie repo?

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Q: ASCII Brainfuck

Given a random code written using Brainfuck commands. You program should translate that code into the following ascii art: each Brainfuck command represents as 5x9 array of A and B symbols. All commands are concatenated with 5x3 arrays of A symbols. Symbols A and B you choose yourself. For exampl...

code-golf ascii-art

Ginger Industries

._.

lyxal

13:37

and why does one run daily?

Ginger Industries

it's generating cookies

lyxal

@user please explain yourself

Ginger Industries

it builds cookies and stores them

lyxal

fun times

Aaroneous Miller

@lyxal no idea

lyxal

13:39

it's had like 182 runs too

TIL we have a random daily workflow in the Vyxal organisation

Ginger Industries

it's making cookies

lyxal

name: cookie

on:
  schedule:
  - cron: '21 15 * * *'

jobs:
  stale:

    runs-on: ubuntu-latest
    permissions:
      issues: write
      pull-requests: write

    steps:
    - uses: actions/stale@v3
      with:
        repo-token: ${{ secrets.GITHUB_TOKEN }}
        stale-issue-message: 'Stale issue message'
        stale-pr-message: 'Stale pull request message'
        stale-issue-label: 'no-issue-activity'
        stale-pr-label: 'no-pr-activity'

that's what it's doing

Ginger Industries

hm

lyxal

well on that I'm going ot sleep for the night

and I don't care that I typo'd that

o/ y'all

Ginger Industries

\\\o

Aaroneous Miller

13:43

/o

mathcat

o/

PyGamer0

@_

anyways who started the vyxal cookie thing?

Ginger Industries

frkopemfwmrej

PyGamer0

oh i started the cookie thing lmao

it all begins with this:

mathcat

@PyGamer0 what's it?

PyGamer0

13:50

in Vyxal, Aug 13 '21 at 6:56, by PyGamer0

!!/make me a cookie

now yall look at the transcript to know the cookie ^

Ginger Industries

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

hold please

in The Firing Range, 52 secs ago, by Ginger Industries

@OLIMAR make me a cookie

PyGamer0

@PyGamer0 lmao thats soo funny

in Vyxal, Aug 13 '21 at 14:33, by Razetime

holy fuk what is cookie for

user

@lyxal lmao i just selected a bunch of random workflows and added them for fun

Did not expect them to continue running

PyGamer0

in Vyxal, 30 secs ago, by Vyxal Bot

@PyGamer0 Here you go: 🍪

user

@lyxal also wow it’s been nearly a year

Aaroneous Miller

14:04

It's been 6 months

PyGamer0

lmao

@user out of context be like:

Aug 17 '21 at 12:36, by user

ass

LMAO

Ginger Industries

@PyGamer0 hjfnerwij

PyGamer0

@GingerIndustries knock knock are you ok?

Ginger Industries

*hjenferwij

user

@AaroneousMiller I can much math

2

Ginger Industries

14:08

aaaaaoaaagaoag

user

Aug 17 '21 at 12:37, by user

I will kill you if you tale it out of context

PyGamer0

LMAO

laughs a lot

dies due to laughing

StackMeterPlus

we can take it out of context guys
user said "tale", not "take"

user

Good, good

Ginger Industries

yes

PyGamer0

14:11

lol

Ginger Industries

todo: make an apocalyptic radar gun of death

PyGamer0

@GingerIndustries oh .... (i can send the parts to you)

shhhhh :P

mathcat

hivemind reshaping

Ginger Industries

The HORSE is a noble animal.

PyGamer0

> Hydrogen sulphide is a colorless gas with a smell of a rotten egg.

user

14:19

@PyGamer0 Delete that from your memory.

Ginger Industries

The formula for power is pressure times flow rate.

PyGamer0

@user what do you mean?

ok i shall write programs to generate my new username

user

@GingerIndustries Are you feeling okay today Ginger? Your last few messages have been...odd

Ginger Industries

@user спагетти

Aaroneous Miller

> You can say anything as strange as you like if you format it as a quote, and nobody will question it

mathcat

14:27

> You know, I know you're knowing I know it.

- brilliant mind

@AaroneousMiller it worked!

Ginger Industries

> aaaaoooaoooggogoggaggag

Aaroneous Miller

@mathcat i am smort

user

> user is very smort

Ginger Industries

> horse

PyGamer0

> Quotes are the best

- Sun Tzu, The Art Of Quotes

ok i generated some names

which one should be my new name:

tbyul
zitpt
fqvit
suscx
iqmdf
nwgbp
xbuno
clhwr
sumgd
bujob

Bgil Midol

14:36

Nice

@PyGamer0 xbuno

Aaroneous Miller

suscx

because it sus

mathcat

yeah, suscx

PyGamer0

let me generate a bunch of names

mathcat

like sussy-x

PyGamer0

i almost crashed my browser lmao

Bgil Midol

14:40

How?

PyGamer0

i generated too much names

gist.github.com/PyGamer0/1063442c8062590d8f1feff8dd2dbdb0

^ beaware

that has 50k lines

mathcat

ssuse

pronounced like ssussy

Bgil Midol

pikcu

susuo

Aaroneous Miller

> jyxax

PyGamer0

14:58

i cant load my word list

it lags my browser

lol i shall use ripgrep when im on a computer

@mathcat sussy is a valid 5 letter word

Ginger Industries

15:17

xally

mathcat

astly

Ginger Industries

Interesting Staff be like p.subtract(entity.position()).normalize().scale(Math.min(RADIUS - p.distanceToSqr(entity.position()), 0));

StackMeterPlus

15:40

@GingerIndustries what does that even do

mathcat

you forgot to put it in quotes

Ginger Industries

@StackMeterPlus it's an overcomplicated mathematical formula for calculating the push force of the Interesting staff (note: it doesn't actually work correctly yet)

Ginger Industries

16:39

bad idea #55625377230: reverse fire extinguisher

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Q: Is it a tower permutation?

A tower is made out of layers, each one being one unit shorter than the one below it. Every layer is completely on top of the previous layer. For example, here is a tower along with it's height map: # ## ### #### ##### 14532 Because the lengths of the layers are the integers from 1 to n, an...

code-golf array decision-problem

Ginger Industries

16:53

⎠

CMC: Make a game of Tetris in a terminal using only the characters from Block Elements (U+2580 to U+259F).

Hello, World!

0

A: "Hello, World!"

QWERTY, 1 byte q QWERTY is a work-in-progress language by me, written in C++. The letters in the word QWERTY will be used in the most trivial programs, however, it will be Turing-complete and hopefully not a tarpit. If you wish to see this example, for some reason, take this link: QWERTY

Aaroneous Miller

17:26

@GingerIndustries that's just a flamethrower

pxeger

TIL you can't do 1not in[...] in Python

Unrelated String

what

maybe i'm missing something but it works fine on my local repl

pxeger

>>> 1not in[]
  File "<stdin>", line 1
    1not in[]
    ^
SyntaxError: invalid decimal literal

bug?

Unrelated String

weird

what version

pxeger

3.10.2

same on ATO

Unrelated String

17:37

mine's 3.8.5

pxeger

works fine on TIO: Try it online!

Unrelated String

which is 3.7.something iirc

oh yeah wasn't there a parser upgrade or something
so it might have been introduced by whichever update that came with

can't imagine it's intended behavior of course

pxeger

but this is lexing, not parsing

I don't think the lexer changed completely when they switched to PEG

Unrelated String

would think not

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Sum of the first elements of a weird sequence What's wrong with this sequence? 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1 0 89 88 87 86 85 84 83 83 82 81 80 79 78 77 76 75 74 73 72 71 ... Input Given a number n from 0 to 1000 Output Number s that equal a sum of the first n elements of a sequence above.

Radvylf Programs

17:49

Algebra: All the answers are integers or nice fractions
Calculus: `1024 * sqrt(3) / 15`

Oops, and there's also supposed to be a pi in there

pxeger

@UnrelatedString bugs.python.org/issue46820

Radvylf Programs

y = 1.7 * sqrt(x) - 0.022 * x ** 1.32...

Oh phew it's calculator-allowed

> A metric ton is about 1000 kg

Yep, just like a byte is about 8 bits, or a cat has about four paws

The truth about Lyxal kind

The truth is accidentally leaked

We're getting into the poultry business lads.

user and lyxal successfully overthrow the leadership of the hivemind

An intense story

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