The Nineteenth Byte

mathcat

1:00 PM

@Adám ah well

> A beard is a sacred facial marking of great power, given only to the blessed few chosen by the gods.

from Uncyclopedia

DialFrost

lol only mathcat online rn

lyxal

@mathcat dang guess I'm one of the chosen few :p

Ginger Industries

bakc

Bgil Midol

hi

Neil

@emanresuA yeah but it was only 10 so I hardly noticed

lyxal

1:09 PM

@GingerIndustries E

DialFrost

hi neil!

Ginger Industries

the message below me will become my chat profile bio

I love vyxal

fak

Gottem

1:11 PM

i dunno, maybe i do love vyxal

i've never tried it tho

hmm

lyxal

And that kids is how you expand your userbase

Ginger Industries

*Jon Skeet

@lyxal then again, dynalist

lyxal

Do you have further drafts of the language?

And do you have a beard?

Ginger Industries

@lyxal I'm working on the docs rn, and I'm not telling you if I have a beard

lyxal

If you don't have one then there's no point

Ginger Industries

1:15 PM

hold please

lyxal

17 hours ago, by Adám

No, but it is a well-known fact that a the creator of a PL must have a beard for the language to become successful.

That's why Keg failed and Vyxal didn't - puberty.

11

Ginger Industries

> Gingers have no soul, this is the underlining cause of there Gingerness, being tools of the devil they are marked with the colour of their master (ie:red).

this is correct, I see no problems here

hmm

@Dennis do you have a beard

pxeger

@GingerIndustries no:

lyxal

@lyxal can't wait for this to be quoted out of context

Ginger Industries

@lyxal ^^ HAH

pxeger

1:18 PM

@lyxal it's on the starboard already lol

Ginger Industries

if Dennis did it then I can too

lyxal

@GingerIndustries that's just a profile picture, not an accurate representation of Dennis' facial hair when he made Jelly

@pxeger I know, but in future contexts

Ginger Industries

no, that's what dennis looks like

5

pxeger

@lyxal you mean, Dennis isn't 2D??

lyxal

I do

PyGamer0

1:20 PM

how dare you say that

lyxal

Dennis is 4 dimensional

5

How tf else do you think he made Jelly?

Ginger Industries

@lyxal Well of course not, Dennis is an eldritch god that exists across all dimensions

and so am I

therefore Dynalist will succeed just fine

and if not I always have GitHub Perks

hot take: Dennis is just the projection into our dimension of Jon Skeet the Almighty Creator

lyxal

Can't believe I just got bait and switched by SE chat. I went to click on TNB but Charcoal HQ had an active message just as I clicked to join the top room

Ginger Industries

:P

back to dynalist ig

lyxal

Well while you do that, I might sleep

o/

Fmbalbuena

1:25 PM

@lyxal why?

Ginger Industries

\o

APL is the only golflang to have modified Unicode

it's too powerful

pxeger

APL isn't a golflang

sidenote: I always read "golflang" as "golfling" but with a strong Scottish accent

mathcat

@lyxal 1+

DialFrost

orh

i like @lyxal said dennis is 4dimensinal

Fmbalbuena

@DialFrost Hey, Can you change your pfp?

DialFrost

1:30 PM

hm?

wdym

@DialFrost ...

@lyxal o/

dynalist go brrr

@lyxal That sounds like a great name for a hexagony-esque language

mathcat

@GingerIndustries Almost everyone epic is making a golflang

I guess I'll make one too

Ginger Industries

1:35 PM

@mathcat i'm epic?

mathcat

To reach over-maximum epicness

@GingerIndustries thanks, I forgot, edited

no joking lol

Ginger Industries

@mathcat ;-;

not sure what to make of the fact that the first 4 instructions in the Dynalist wiki are PIiN

Aaroneous Miller

@lyxal *happy plat noises*

pxeger

you should be able to earn Fanatic more than once

mathcat

1:53 PM

@pxeger really??

nice

I have 55 days to go

pxeger

I'm on 336 days consecutive

DialFrost

holy crap

pxeger

I want more gold badges!

DialFrost

u can get fanatic more than ONCE!

BRUH

that'll take forever tho

im only 46 consecutive

pxeger

@DialFrost no you can't

DialFrost

1:54 PM

awwwwww

pxeger

I said I think you should be able to

DialFrost

sigh

PyGamer0

@GingerIndustries did you just call APL A GOLFING LANGUAGE >:/

Fmbalbuena

@DialFrost I have fanatic

DialFrost

i dont:(

im too noob

PyGamer0

1:57 PM

No one calls APL a GOLFING LANGUAGE.

Fmbalbuena

@DialFrost are you n00b?

DialFrost

bruh lol

only 2k rep

sad

PyGamer0

@mathcat i mean you are helping @BgilMidol make Noxan

DialFrost

especially since im not very experienced at coding, e.g. ajax1234 is insanely good at coming up with solutions

but he's not very good when it comes to golfing

Bgil Midol

@PyGamer0 *Noxan

mathcat

1:58 PM

@PyGamer0 yes, but I think I got an idea for one

PyGamer0

@BgilMidol i forgor 💀 the name lol

@mathcat what is the idea?

mathcat

I don't want to spoiler yet

but it's weird

PyGamer0

@Fmbalbuena are you programming in APL?

like making smol things

Fmbalbuena

@PyGamer0 yes

PyGamer0

ooh what did you make recently

Fmbalbuena

2:02 PM

@PyGamer0 2 + 2

PyGamer0

nice

Radvylf Programs

2:25 PM

Hot take: IQ tests are pseudoscience

pxeger

cold take

Ginger Industries

.O.

pxeger

that take was once hot, but I'm afraid society left it out overnight

Ginger Industries

wait

PyGamer0

lukewarm take

2

Ginger Industries

2:26 PM

@RadvylfPrograms did you do all that work you had to do

No none of it lol

wags finger

oof

wtf

2:27 PM

These date back to mid January lol

"We should give the students the freedom to turn things in late without penalty" -> "We should allow the students to endlessly procrastinate"

PyGamer0

I read the 3rd one as: "New Assignment: Delta variant of coronavirus"

ophact

That "due tomorrow" breaks what would otherwise be an excellent pattern

Radvylf Programs

@PyGamer0 Oh yeah that's for my genetic engineering class

PyGamer0

@RadvylfPrograms wtf is genetic engineering

is it related to Javascript?

Radvylf Programs

We gotta make an infectious disease, our grade is the logarithm of the number of people we infect multiplied by 10

2

PyGamer0

2:30 PM

Play Plague Inc. instead of learning genetic engineering

mathcat

@RadvylfPrograms uff

online class?

Radvylf Programs

No

I'm just really lazy

PyGamer0

even im lazy

i guess humans are just lazy :P

mathcat

except me

i'm super lazy

There's a reason why I like to program.

PyGamer0

i dont think programming is a lazy thing to do

its a just problem solving but a slave (the computer) helps you

mathcat

2:36 PM

wow nice excuse, thanks

PyGamer0

also your back hurts if you sit for too long staring at your monitor

Ginger Industries

@PyGamer0 ~~good thing I'm not a human then~~

ophact

If anything, those who don't program are lazy.

Ginger Industries

how to get rep on CGSE: make new golflang and post a shit ton of answers in it

I've done it before and I'll do it again

ophact

or post answers in the language of the month to get huge bounties, even if you don't make any effort to golf your answer, you get the bounty anyway

Ginger Industries

2:44 PM

or post questions with clickbait titles (see: Implement Minceraft)

ophact

yeah, I thought we were supposed to make minecraft and that the OP just made a typo

Ginger Industries

~~implement minecraft in conway's game of life~~

PyGamer0

i already knew about the minceraft thing 2 years ago

1/10k chance of minecraft being minceraft

Ginger Industries

have you ever seen it?

mathcat

3:13 PM

I'm designing a challenge about ascii art with _ and |, but I can't figure out how to word it

How should I explain it representing lines, or is it not needed?

Eg. how can I explain that:

 __
|__| |_

is not fully connected

Ginger Industries

i understood that fine

mathcat

so no explanation needed?

 __
|__|

Ginger Industries

use the explanation you just gave

mathcat

@mathcat so is it understandable that this's connected?

Ginger Industries

@mathcat yes

Ginger Industries

3:34 PM

truth machine in Dynalist: #?∞p←;←

Sandbox Posts

0

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Can you draw this in one stroke Given an ascii art with |, _, and , check if you can draw the art in one stroke. Description Your task is, if the ASCII art is representing lines, then check if you can draw the whole art in one stroke, which means: without drawing an already drewn line again lif...

Radvylf Programs

4:02 PM

Hmm, maybe I should take an engineering class next year, 'cause why not

There was a program I did in 7th/8th grade that I think substitutes for the entry-level engineering class

I've only got 7 of my 8 classes chosen, I was gonna do like, AP Biology, but engineering could be fun

Adám

@RadvylfPrograms Will it help you build sturdier tanks?

Radvylf Programs

And I guess a 7th AP class that year might be a bit excessive...

@GingerIndustries Pathetic :p

Four bytes in my upcoming language, quite possibly three

For all the weird control flow operators you have I'd think it would be shorter

Ginger Industries

@RadvylfPrograms I would too, but tbh it's hard to compress it much further

Radvylf Programs

Two bytes

Forgot about some obvious golfs

Ginger Industries

Dynalist is not made for that kind of challenge

Aaroneous Miller

4:16 PM

@RadvylfPrograms oof, beating Vyxal

Radvylf Programs

Well, 14 pages of math homework.

Any bets on how many I can finish in the next 1:40?

Aaroneous Miller

Assuming that's 1 minute and 40 seconds, and assuming you can get 1 page done every 7 seconds, you can easily get all of them done with a couple seconds to spare

Radvylf Programs

lol

Ginger Industries

hmmmmmm

just a sec

Ginger is typing...

Bgil Midol

@RadvylfPrograms 0~14

Radvylf Programs

4:31 PM

I'll give a +50 bounty to whoever guesses closest

Only nonnegative integers will be accepted as guesses, if you guess higher than the correct number you lose

Bgil Midol

@RadvylfPrograms are ranges allowed?

Radvylf Programs

No

Bgil Midol

floats?

Radvylf Programs

> Only nonnegative integers will be accepted as guesses

Bgil Midol

1

Radvylf Programs

4:33 PM

Ginger and Aaron, any guesses?

Bgil Midol

@RadvylfPrograms ors? (like 1 or 2)

how long is a page? questions per page?

Radvylf Programs

Why would I allow that

@BgilMidol Varies considerably, but about 10 qs per page, maybe?

Bgil Midol

lowest and highest questions per page?

Radvylf Programs

No clue

And they have subquestions too, so there's different ways to count it

Bgil Midol

how many meters in one page? are all pages the same length?

@RadvylfPrograms subquestions included

Radvylf Programs

4:35 PM

I've revealed all the information I'm going to, okay?

Bgil Midol

1

is zero a valid answer?

Radvylf Programs

Yes

Bgil Midol

0

(so i won't lose)

Radvylf Programs

Any other guesses?

Remember, +50 bounty

No bounty if there's just one guess

Bgil Midol

@RadvylfPrograms whats your guess?

Radvylf Programs

4:39 PM

6 or so

Bgil Midol

are the questions easy or hard?

Radvylf Programs

Bounty and guessing canceled gotta go bye

Aaroneous Miller

Aw, I just got back, I was gonna guess 6 (not because that was Radvylf's guess; just under half seems like a good bet)

Bgil Midol

zero

pxeger

Do close votes etc. count towards the Electorate badge?

Bgil Midol

4:53 PM

description for the badge?

Aaroneous Miller

~~Do some serial downvoting and find out~~

Radvylf Programs

That's actually a good question

I wouldn't think so

But since they're counted as votes on the activity page I guess it's possible

Ginger Industries

sorry this took me so long

hold please, almost done

Bgil Midol

@GingerIndustries to do what?

user

You know that feeling when you figure out the solution to a bug at 6 in the morning and finally get to it at noon and now you have to wait till 6 to see if it works?

Because unfortunately I do now

pxeger

5:02 PM

@RadvylfPrograms found the answer: meta.stackexchange.com/a/259552

(no)

Ginger Industries

@RadvylfPrograms People can write at about 40 characters per minute. If each page can fit 10 problems, and each problem's solution is about 40 characters, that means you can do one page in about 10 minutes. However, you'd also need some time to think about the problem, adding maybe another 5 minutes for a total time of (1 + 5) * 10 = 60 minutes per page, giving us a total time of 14 * 60 = 14 hours. This doesn't end very well for you.

pxeger

CMM: which direction should these duplicates be closed? codegolf.stackexchange.com/q/127839 codegolf.stackexchange.com/q/236301

Radvylf Programs

My vote: Old is dupe of new, since old one has fewer answers

ophact

Old one is a dupe of new

Radvylf Programs

5:23 PM

Starting to really not like calculus

Bgil Midol

@RadvylfPrograms gree

Radvylf Programs

blu

pxeger

@RadvylfPrograms what made you decide start now?

Bgil Midol

@RadvylfPrograms ?

Radvylf Programs

@pxeger Volumes of revolution

And 14 pages of homework

ophact

5:28 PM

oh yes

the worst form of calculus

Radvylf Programs

I can only take so much pi * e * y - pi * e ** y

If you have pi and e in the same problem IRL you should probably jump off a cliff.

pxeger

sad euler noises

ophact

e^{i\pi} + 1 = 0

Ginger Industries

I have come up with a Dynalist solution to the pretty-print list problem

I haven't golfed it yet but I think it's pretty good

ƛL1?Et=0;:"["+J", "+"]"↵;wVR≔λL←+","SÇN?⇤←s0"[ "+←g0←s0" "+g0VRw" "+←;JÇN;JÇNX0⊖1+" ]";λL

Radvylf Programs

So...this is a golfing language?

Ginger Industries

5:31 PM

yes

pxeger

shade

Ginger Industries

I just translated the JS solution into Dynalist

Radvylf Programs

You're getting beaten by Python

And by 20 bytes

Ginger Industries

@RadvylfPrograms that is a problem with not the language but with the programmer

read: i suck at my own language

Radvylf Programs

What's the paradigm?

Ginger Industries

5:33 PM

good question

also that program is not runnable yet because it uses a bunch of unimplemented commands

Radvylf Programs

@GingerIndustries is it stack-based?

Ginger Industries

@RadvylfPrograms it was going to be but I think variables are better

Radvylf Programs

...

Ginger Industries

lemme try to make it smaller

Radvylf Programs

Wait like...assigning to variables?

Ginger Industries

5:34 PM

yes

Radvylf Programs

Well have fun with that lol

Ginger Industries

:)

Radvylf Programs

There's a reason stack-based and tacit are popular

Ginger Industries

what's tacit again?

Radvylf Programs

What Jelly and APL use

Ginger Industries

5:35 PM

hm

Radvylf Programs

Technically prefix, postfix, and stack-based fall under tacit too, I think

Ginger Industries

good point, stack-based probably better

Radvylf Programs

Isn't that kind of an important decision to have made early on lol

Ginger Industries

there are currently no memory/stack/variable things so I can still make it

Radvylf Programs

?

How does your solution work then?

Ginger Industries

5:37 PM

this may take me some time

please wait

Radvylf Programs

JÇNX0⊖1+ this doesn't look very variable-y

Ginger Industries

@RadvylfPrograms if you mean how does it run the answer is it doesn't, I haven't implemented 90% of the instructions (which is also why I haven't posted it)

i'm making an explained version

actually, I'm going to try to golf it and then make an explained version

this is hard

DLosc

6:04 PM

@RadvylfPrograms Stack-based yes, prefix and postfix no (because they still require you to explicitly specify the arguments to each operator)

Radvylf Programs

Wait really? Stack-based and postfix are basically interchangeable, right?

DLosc

Say the challenge is n*(n+1). Stack-based would be dup inc *. Postfix would be n inc n *.

pxeger

TIL there is a programming language invented and used solely for computing taxes in the French tax authority: github.com/MLanguage/mlang

Unrelated String

stack-based is "postfix"
but strict postfix would require you to do something to the tree of what's being parsed to simulate stack effects

or maybe stack-based is just a strict superset of postfix

since you can always implement postfix as stack-based

just without having any kind of manipulation commands

Radvylf Programs

@DLosc Seems we have different dfinitions of postfix then

DLosc

6:12 PM

If you're contrasting postfix with stack-based, then that's one definition. If you're defining postfix as "the operator comes after whatever it's operating on," that's a different definition (in which case Unrelated String is right and you could view stack-based as a form of postfix).

Ginger Industries

i golfed it some more

ƛL1?E⦂=0;:"["+J", "+"]"↵;wλL←+","¦s0?⇤"[ "" "w+" "⨝;⨝X0⊖1+" ]";λL

is that better

hmm, still being beat by python

back to the drawing board

DLosc

@DLosc Postfix as a programming paradigm is just prefix in the opposite order, and the best example of prefix is Pyth. Compare the Pyth solution to Catalan Numbers with the Vyxal solution. Pyth uses Q (referring to the input) 3 times, whereas Vyxal never refers to the input.

(That particular Pyth solution could remove the final Q, but that's just a golflang shortcut comparable to autocompleting quotes/parentheses.)

Radvylf Programs

E.g., ispshor is postfix, and behaves identically to a stack based language, but whether or not you use a stack to implement it is black-box stuff that doesn't matter

So like, 1 2+4- is parsed as ((1 2 +) 4 -)

→ 1 pound of garlic moved to The Nineteenth Bakery

Aaroneous Miller

Nuclear ninja

Ginger Industries

6:28 PM

Final solution: ƛL1?E⦂=0;:"["+J", "+"]"↵;wλL←+","¦s0?⇤"[ "" "∔" "⨝;⨝X0⊖1+" ]";λL

which does beat python, i think

Radvylf Programs

,

Is that space realy requires?

Ginger Industries

what

Radvylf Programs

Oh wait

It's in a string literal

Ginger Industries

ye

Bgil Midol

@GingerIndustries whats the problem description?

Ginger Industries

6:33 PM

14

Q: Pretty print my arrays

I like to pretty print multidimensional arrays, like this: [ [ [1, 2, 3], [4, 5, 6] ], [ [7, 8, 9], [6, 4, 2] ] ] But it's a pain to do by hand and it'd be nice to have a program that does this for me. Your challenge is to create a program that does this for me, taking a multidimension...

hmmmmmmmmmmmmm

DLosc

@RadvylfPrograms How would you do n*(n+1) for an input number n?

Radvylf Programs

It depends on context

As with stack-based

If there's a single input: 1+*

But ispshor does some fun stuff that I don't want to spoil

DLosc

Ok :)

Aaroneous Miller

what does ispshor mean?

Radvylf Programs

isp is "short" and shor is "language"

Aaroneous Miller

6:48 PM

oh lol

Ginger Industries

bomb defusing solution: NW←A↖≎≽@↞0;

methinks that's pretty darn good

forgot a character NW←A↖≎↖≽@↞0;

Radvylf Programs

Code page feedback?

Ginger Industries

hm

looks good

Radvylf Programs

7:04 PM

Fully compatible with US-INTL keyboard, monospaces nicely with almost all fonts, and contains a few characters unique to ispshor

Ginger Industries

as opposed to my codepages, which are just whatever I think looks nice

Radvylf Programs

Don't worry, I put effort into making sure mine looks nice too

DLosc

I don't have time right now, but I am very interested to look at this when I get back with my lunch

pxeger

7:19 PM

@RadvylfPrograms what's 0x7F?

I also don't like the curly quotes, because they often look too close to ' and "

otherwise looks pretty good

emanresu A

@Neil Same here

pxeger

and what's the L with the dot in it?

caird coinheringaahing

Ŀ is L with an overdot

pxeger

huh, for some reason I can't type it the same way I type all other overdot characters

Radvylf Programs

@pxeger Oops, unassigned. I'll make it ¨

@pxeger There's a tiny bit of incompatibility in different OSs' INTL layouts

emanresu A

7:28 PM

@RadvylfPrograms Or if you have log(log(log(n))) in anywhere but computer science

Radvylf Programs

tfw your friend takes a screenshot, pastes it into a google doc, shares it with you, you take a screenshot, and then you upload that to an assignment and take a screenshot of that to show that you turned it in

emanresu A

@DLosc Actually it does (?)

Hm, so this got duped, deleted, deduped, undeleted, closed as needs details or clarity

DLosc

7:46 PM

@emanresuA Lol whoops

@DLosc Achievement unlocked

@RadvylfPrograms Looks pretty good--there's a few things that aren't my favorite, but nothing egregious. Can we get a text version?

Radvylf Programs

Sure

What're the things you dislike?

DLosc

The main thing is I find it hard to remember which is which between letter with underdot and letter with overdot--e.g. with Brachylog I'm constantly looking at the docs or just trying both till I find the one I want.

Radvylf Programs

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