The Nineteenth Byte

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19:16

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Largest Number with No Repeating Digit Pairs Inspired by the problem with the same name on Puzzling SE. You are to find the largest number that only uses every digit pair once, in a given base. For example, in ternary we have 2212011002. We can do this greedily by simply starting with the large...

AviFS

19:27

@SandboxPosts I'm totally read to cheat and post this as is, I just have one question:

As is, I only ask it to work with bases 1-10, because including alphanumeric bases makes it needlessly complicated and detracts from the main point, I think.

But, there's the possibility of taking input as an ordered list of symbols in the base, and making you use that

So for ternary the input would be 012

And for hex it'd be 0123456789ABCDEF

hyper-neutrino

if you want bases higher than 10, you can just use a list of integers

AviFS

oh damn, that was stupid

hyper-neutrino

so for hex it'd be [0, 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15]

AviFS

good point

Well do you think that adds anything?

Or shall I just leave it with only bases from 1-10

It's not like there's any way to take advantage of 1-10, and I doubt encoding it will save you bytes

hyper-neutrino

i mean, you could just output the decimal representation of the number, lol, and then i see no problem doing arbitrarily higher bases

AviFS

19:30

So shall I just leave it simple as is?

No no, that would certainly detract I think

Isn't there something about not obfuscating the point of the challenge with something else cumbersome?

There are some langs with built-ins for base conversion

And some where that's obnoxious

That should be left to a challenge about base conversion, no?

@AviFS Eg. why we ask people not to make us parse input, unless parsing is the point of the challenge

hyper-neutrino

well then there isn't really a point in making the challenge about a number IMO

AviFS

What do you mean?

hyper-neutrino

you could just say "output the lexicographically greatest list that contains every pair of values from 1 to N (or 0 to N-1, same thing) without repeating any pairs"

AviFS

It's more about generating a series than a number

Yeah, exactly haha

hyper-neutrino

and you could even accept a list as input rather than N

AviFS

19:34

That's what it is, just in fewer words

@hyper-neutrino I do!

That's totally the point

The fact that it represents a number is irrelevant

I think it's just cleaner to talk about it as the biggest number

Than the lexicographically greatest

It's slightly more interesting and relevant-sounding that way, too

AviFS

@DarrelHoffman Hey! Sorry my internet went out for a bit

hyper-neutrino

the thing is solutions will likely just construct the digit list and then index it back into the mapping, which is an unnecessary extra step

AviFS

Ugh, texts got scrambled

hold on

AviFS

So to clarify, I'm personally against taking just 16 as input and requiring the person to do it in hex.

hyper-neutrino

to be fair, I am considering this based on code-golf standards, not so much staying true to the original idea/concept

AviFS

19:41

But I'm entertaining taking 0123456789ABCDEF as input

And I'm also against requiring post-processing to convert the number into decimal. More interested in just treating it like a sequence-generating thing

And forgetting that it represents a number

Darrel Hoffman

Oh, FYI, there's an OEIS for this: oeis.org/A034712

Also oeis.org/A034711 for the base 10 representation

AviFS

No way! Nice find

Woah cool

It's funny bc I made a note to myself to submit it to the OEIS

I always check first, but I just figured they wouldn't have it

Never doubt the great OEIS

@hyper-neutrino Agreed, I'm sure they will

Darrel Hoffman

They only bothered going up to base-8. Not sure if they do alphanumeric ones on there?

AviFS

[1,16,4,3,14,2]

I suppose the question becomes whether to ask for hex and take the output like

But I don't think that adds anything

And then you have to start worrying about clear delimiters

I think it's kind of fun as is where you can have any gibberish irregularly mixed in

So long as it's not a digit 0-9

I'm curious to see if anyone comes up with something neat abusing that

Darrel Hoffman

Yeah, it kind of just separates the languages that have built-in higher base support from those that don't...

hyper-neutrino

19:46

well, any language can have higher base support if you just use an array of digits

Darrel Hoffman

Though it might've been fun to see it taken all the way out to base 36...

AviFS

Well less so if we take [1,16,4,3,14,2] rather than A4F291

hyper-neutrino

and outputting the number from 0-9A-Z is just an index-into-list which is boring

and converting to decimal is just a convert-from-base which is boring

AviFS

Agreed

@DarrelHoffman Yeah, it would. But I feel like it's a net loss

So are we happy with the I/O scheme, then?

If so, I'm posting it right away!

I'm confident with this one aside from that. Bye-bye Sandbox

Darrel Hoffman

Okay by me...

AviFS

19:49

Sounds good! Thanks for your feedback and reflection @DarrelHoffman & @hyper-neutrino

And for coming to join us in TNB, welcome!!

Alright, here goes:

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Q: Largest Number with No Repeating Digit Pairs

Inspired by the problem with the same name on Puzzling SE. You are to find the largest number that only uses every digit pair once, in a given base. For example, in ternary we have 2212011002. We can do this greedily by simply starting with the largest number, and then adding the next largest n...

AviFS

Any other tags you can think of?

caird coinheringaahing

base-conversion?

Wezl

number?

AviFS

@cairdcoinheringaahing Wow, I never knew there was one like this. But no, the bases are a red-herring

Wezl

19:53

^

AviFS

It's just the max digit you should use in the lexicographically greatest sequence where all two adjacent pairs are unique

caird coinheringaahing

Yep, I just read "bases" and went, oh, that tag :P

> If you feel like a challenge, you can take octal as input. I won't complain!

AviFS

Haha, thanks

It's true

Wezl

possibly combinatorics

AviFS

I've no idea why I just said thanks tbh, but thanks... I guess

caird coinheringaahing

19:54

I get the joke here (and I like it), but it wouldn't surprise me if some people (annoyingly) take it literally and ask what the input should be for e.g. 4

Just a warning :P

AviFS

@Wezl Number has the same red-herring problem. It's not realllyyy anything to do with a number. But I think I'll add it anyway

@Wezl Don't see that one. Doesn't feel like counting

Wezl

sorting :P

@AviFS yeah I meant more like permutations

A username

@Adám It's more that all of a sudden I realised I had two that I could post.

AviFS

@Wezl Interesting, that never would've occurred to me. But you're right

> This challenge is intended to be solved by sorting, ordering, or otherwise organizing some set of data.

@Wezl Huh. The things you come up with!

They both sound soooo wrong to me at face-value

hyper-neutrino

I don't think greedy works

AviFS

19:59

But again, it makes sense!

> A permutation is a particular ordering of some list of objects. Problems tagged with permutation usually involve finding or generating permutations, including anagrams of text.

I'll add them both

caird coinheringaahing

Tag wikis really need improvement, I just haven't managed to convince myself to go on an editing splurge like I did on meta

AviFS

That's all 5, thanks everyone

hyper-neutrino

yeah greedy definitely doesn't work

AviFS

@cairdcoinheringaahing But I think those two are great, that's what convinced me to use the tags!

@hyper-neutrino Oh?

hyper-neutrino

trivial brute force is possible but like O((N^2)!)

@AviFS try binary

we start with 11

AviFS

20:00

I think so

hyper-neutrino

then we can't add 1 so we have 110

AviFS

Right

hyper-neutrino

then we can add 0 or 1 so we greedily add 1

1101 leaves us with only three pairs, no 00, and no way to continue

AviFS

Oh wait, good point

A username

Turns out when you post two questions in one day, you repcap.

AviFS

20:01

I'll take that out

A username

Bye for now

hyper-neutrino

you could greedily insert items by inserting each next pair in the rightmost slot though

AviFS

@Ausername Haha, I found that out too the hard way : (

Wezl

:\

AviFS

I'm soooo close to 1000...

@hyper-neutrino Oh?

hyper-neutrino

20:02

for ternary, for example

start with 22

then, we insert 21 at the rightmost valid slot and get 221

wait this won't work either

brute force it is

AviFS

@Ausername At least you get a badge for repcap : p

@hyper-neutrino No no, there's an algorithm

hyper-neutrino

it's probably less golfy though :P

caird coinheringaahing

@AviFS 3 in fact :P

AviFS

Pretty simple one

3323130

22120

Darrel Hoffman

I like how every answer for N includes most of the answer for N-1, except the last digit...

AviFS

20:03

110

0

And then 2, to loop back to the beginning

Do you see the pattern?

Wezl

@DarrelHoffman same, but too lazy to write code

AviFS

1000 rep here we comeeee

I will see allll the downvotes

hyper-neutrino

there aren't many to see usually :p

caird coinheringaahing

@AviFS There's a userscript for that :P

Wezl

anyone want to write binary-matrix decision-problem Is there a triangle in this grid?

or...Is there a straight line on this grid?

AviFS

20:09

@cairdcoinheringaahing Ohhhh... that's lame

@Wezl We don't have one of those?

Wezl

lots of opportunity for ~~reputation farming~~ fun challenges

AviFS

@hyper-neutrino Man that was fast!

hyper-neutrino

after i saw the pattern it became easy :P

AviFS

And you golfed it down so quickly! How long does that part take?

It is easy, haha

hyper-neutrino

i wrote it out golfed

AviFS

20:11

Wow

user

@Wezl Rep farming?

hyper-neutrino

i don't write code and then golf it, i just write it out golfed and then compress it even more later if possible

and then when i write ungolfed and commented solutions, i manually ungolf it :P

AviFS

python is my go-to lang, but i don't know how to golf it at all

Redwolf Programs

Writing ungolfed code is painful

5

AviFS

certainly not like that

Wezl

20:13

imagine having a go-to language without go-to

hyper-neutrino

after I golf in python for a bit, spacing around operators looks wrong

AviFS

@Wezl This is def not where I'd go for rep farming. What kind of monster are you?

Redwolf Programs

Ugh...does anyone else think this is completely unreadable?

user

Yes, it's JS.

caird coinheringaahing

@AviFS Can we return [0,0] for 1 and an integer otherwise?

AviFS

20:17

One more upvote away from 1k!

Anyone feeling generous?

Redwolf Programs

I hate when people add so much structure and abstraction and stuff that the actual code is broken up into ten thousand little one line functions

user

@RedwolfPrograms Seriously, though, what about is unreadable?

@RedwolfPrograms I mean, they're very liberal with their comments and whitespace, but that code looks pretty reasonable to me

AviFS

@cairdcoinheringaahing For which?

caird coinheringaahing

@AviFS For the largest number one

user

As long as they've published the docs somewhere, there should be no problem

Redwolf Programs

20:18

Every single line of that involves thirty assorted functions, so you have to go hunting through all sorts of stuff just to find the real meat of the code. It's like eating crab legs but the crab has forty thousand legs and they each only have a tiny string of meat inside them.

caird coinheringaahing

My Jelly answer finds the smallest number :/

Redwolf Programs

And there's so many huge multiline comments for tiny things it obscures the readability

Wezl

@RedwolfPrograms yeah, but golfed code doesn't really make it more readable

user

^

Redwolf Programs

I'm not talking about golfed code, I just had to read through that to find something

AviFS

20:19

@RedwolfPrograms Upvote for that priceless analogy

user

@RedwolfPrograms There's a few with unnecessary extra lines such as this, but comments are good

AviFS

@cairdcoinheringaahing I'm somehow not getting it

Oh wait

user

Where are these one-liners with thirty assorted functions?

AviFS

You mean return [0,0] for unary

caird coinheringaahing

@AviFS If the input is 1 for this, the output should be 00. That's not an integer, so can we return [0,0] instead?

AviFS

20:20

and something like 221210210 for ternary

@cairdcoinheringaahing Ah sorry, no if that complicates things I'll take that out as a requirement

Redwolf Programs

@user I'm heavily over-exaggerating, it's usually just one or two :p

caird coinheringaahing

@AviFS Yes, the integer 221210210 rather than [2,2,1,2,1,0,2,1,0]

AviFS

And I was going to add a footnote that said 0 is okay too

Wezl

this sort of stuff is horrible

AviFS

Oh wait, no

They're different numbers in unary

I'll just take that out

Not worthwhile

user

20:22

@RedwolfPrograms I mean the names make it understandable enough for me

Redwolf Programs

@Wezl Well if it weren't for that comment, how on earth are you supposed to figure out code is a status code, of all things? :p

AviFS

@cairdcoinheringaahing You only need to do it for bases 2-10

caird coinheringaahing

@AviFS Definitely seems like an unnecessary edge case

Redwolf Programs

Readable variable names make half of those comments useless

user

Does JS have something like JavaDoc?

AviFS

20:22

It hadn't occurred to me it'd complicate things

@cairdcoinheringaahing But you're still printing it in it's native base, right?

So are you just multiplying by 10 and then adding the next digit?

caird coinheringaahing

@AviFS Well, HN has outgolfed my invalid Jelly answer, so I doubt I'll give it a go :P

Wezl

@Wezl lol this is worse

hyper-neutrino

@AviFS ooh, nice. i was actually gonna suggest that maybe

AviFS

I'm curious how treating it as a number could be a good idea

Sounds good

caird coinheringaahing

I counted up and found the first integer that fit the conditions

But that only gets the smallest, not the largest

AviFS

20:24

Ahhhhhh

Oh

Shall I change it to the smallest then, haha

Redwolf Programs

@Wezl That's the closest to i++ // increment i I've ever seen lol

hyper-neutrino

@cairdcoinheringaahing wouldn't that take you til the heat death of the universe then lol

AviFS

Count down then : p

hyper-neutrino

or am i misinterpreting

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino ...maybe

AviFS

20:24

From infinty

hyper-neutrino

lmao

jon skeet could do that

AviFS

Honestly, you could

caird coinheringaahing

# finishes for 2 in a second, but doesn't get close to 3 :P

AviFS

It'll never be bigger than the answer for 9

So you can count down

Fine with me

hyper-neutrino

it would never terminate xD but it's code-golf, that's theoretically valid

caird coinheringaahing

20:26

Well, it takes 45 bytes to compress the answer for 10 (the lowest upper bound), so I'd have to make an effort to get a proper upper bound :P

hyper-neutrino

well, it's a base-related problem. just waiting for bubbler to come destroy by jelly sol

caird coinheringaahing

Let me just filter each integer from \$10^{102}\$ to \$11001\$ and get the max :P

Darrel Hoffman

Handy chart: Start on whatever row you want, read until the end, add another copy of first digit:
9989796959493929190
88786858483828180
776757473727170
6656463626160
55453525150
443424140
3323130
22120
110
0

caird coinheringaahing

That might be exploitable

AviFS

@DarrelHoffman You just had to give that away : p

Darrel Hoffman

20:30

Oh, should I delete the post?

AviFS

Nice observation!

No no, just teasing

Nice find

Darrel Hoffman

I have a chart that goes all the way up to Z, looks much better with leading spaces, but not sure how to do that in chat...

AviFS

I was thinking of making one that just encoded that number and the indices at which to chop it according to the input, just for kicks

hyper-neutrino

you can monospace in chat using the 'fixed font' button on the right when you multi-line a message

Darrel Hoffman

Leading spaces makes the descending digits in each row line up.

AviFS

20:32

But it looks like you'll beat me to it!

caird coinheringaahing

Or Ctrl-K

AviFS

^^

@DarrelHoffman No way! Serious dedication right there. You can upload files, maybe?

Darrel Hoffman

I did click fixed font, but it killed my leading spaces.

(Didn't take all that long, once you know the pattern)

AviFS

Or just Ctrl-K and take up the the screen! It'll be nice to not be the one hogging half of it

caird coinheringaahing

Mess around in the Sandbox to get it right, then post it in here

AviFS

20:33

Guys, I'm at 1000!!!

Redwolf Programs

Nice!!!

caird coinheringaahing

Congrats!

AviFS

Haha, thanks guys! I'm happy, too

Just because of the downvotes, though

Which I evidently could've used a userscript for...

thanks @cairdcoinheringaahing :p

Darrel Hoffman

Yeah, Ctrl-K, just like the Fixed Font button, kills leading spaces.

Redwolf Programs

Ctrl + K is just a shortcut for the fixed font button, right?

Darrel Hoffman

20:36

Probably.

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__YYXYWYVYUYTYSYRYQYPYOYNYMYLYKYJYIYHYGYFYEYDYCYBYAY9Y8Y7Y6Y5Y4Y3Y2Y1Y0
____XXWXVXUXTXSXRXQXPXOXNXMXLXKXJXIXHXGXFXEXDXCXBXAX9X8X7X6X5X4X3X2X1X0
______WWVWUWTWSWRWQWPWOWNWMWLWKWJWIWHWGWFWEWDWCWBWAW9W8W7W6W5W4W3W2W1W0
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That works.

Redwolf Programs

Pingano with the meta ping sound is so weird

I really like it though

hyper-neutrino

link?

Redwolf Programs

(async () => {
    var context = new AudioContext();

    var ping_sound = null;

    var grab_ping_sound = async () => await new Promise((r) => {
        var xhttp = new XMLHttpRequest();

        xhttp.onload = () => {
            context.decodeAudioData(xhttp.response, (buffer) => {
                ping_sound = buffer;

                r(ping_sound);
            });
        };

        xhttp.open("GET", "/chat/meta2.mp3");
        xhttp.responseType = "arraybuffer";

        xhttp.send();
    });

(Test here)

hyper-neutrino

ok the SE ping sound is like

just one tone so it's relatively normal

the really low notes are super cursed because the timing gets stretched out too

if you hold Z and D down at the same time (and your keyboard can handle that properly) you get train sound

Redwolf Programs

You can try the SO one by changing meta2 to so, but it's a bit boring :p

AviFS

20:43

Hmm, now I can see that someone downvoted Mr. Binary Counterman, I wonder why

Perhaps the name, haha

hyper-neutrino

most challenges end up getting a downvote or two. it's nothing you need to worry about :p

AviFS

'Course! Just wonder why

hyper-neutrino

the weighting of votes is really imbalanced anyway - five downvotes are needed to nullify one upvote (when it comes to rep gain)

AviFS

And why they don't leave a comment

hyper-neutrino

heh. leaving comments when downvoting has been... a contentious topic of discussion for as long as I can remember and probably as long as SE's been around

Redwolf Programs

20:44

Moist random downvoters don't

AviFS

@hyper-neutrino True! But doesn't it cost 10 rep to leave one

Redwolf Programs

* most

hyper-neutrino

@RedwolfPrograms what about dry ones?

caird coinheringaahing

WW said something pretty good about not leaving a comment when downvoting that I like a lot, let me just find it

Redwolf Programs

On mobile lol

AviFS

20:45

Or does it just cost 2 rep

hyper-neutrino

it costs 1 to downvote an answer and 0 otherwise

caird coinheringaahing

> I usually leave a comment when I think that there is something that I would change to make the thing I downvoted better. I don't really have suggestions for these answers. What I would like is for them to be more inventive or clever, or to not exist at all. In short I would like them to be less bad, which is to me what a downvote says on its own.
To me I feel that leaving comments that don't offer anything constructive can come off as vindictive or targeting. I really don't have a personal issue with anyone there, nor do I want to start any sort of argument.

From here

hyper-neutrino

thank you SE chat for putting "see full text" on something that doesn't change when you click "see full text"

caird coinheringaahing

Ugh, and I think the chat improvements userscript gets rid of the quote formatting for (see full text) messages :/

If I think I can see something that makes a bad (IMO) post better, I'll leave it. If not, I'll just silently downvote and move on. Obviously not everyone is like this, but ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Redwolf Programs

I wonder if there's a math.mp3

AviFS

20:50

I know SE says we should use downvotes more often, but what good do they actually do on a site like this unless you're trying to close it?

hyper-neutrino

downvoting on CGCC is... very different

AviFS

I can't think of a case where I'd downvote

hyper-neutrino

i downvote a challenge that is not objectively bad but that i dislike

i will not point to examples as that would be impolite

AviFS

I know the rep change is insignificant but it still feels punitive

caird coinheringaahing

I will always downvote a challenge that changes to invalidate my answer

hyper-neutrino

20:50

oh yeah, that ^ for sure

AviFS

I would downvote that way if they didn't lose rep

hyper-neutrino

i don't really downvote answers - if i think the challenge is too trivial, i'll downvote the challenge, and if the answer shows no effort i'll usually just leave it

AviFS

@hyper-neutrino I'd love to do this

hyper-neutrino

i used to downvote answers that were invalid alongside voting to delete, or alongside flagging spam, but as you can imagine, that's no longer really applicable

AviFS

How would an inquiry about removing downvote rep-cost for CGCC be received in meta?

Is it even possible to do site-specific?

hyper-neutrino

20:52

doubt

caird coinheringaahing

@AviFS No

AviFS

I'd love to downvote everything that I find uninteresting

Which is a hell of a lot

caird coinheringaahing

We've been told that point blank by a Cm - it's ~~Nerf~~ all or nothing

AviFS

But on the scale that I'd do it, it doesn't feel justifiable

That's a bummer

Is it a possibility tech-wise?

hyper-neutrino

in general I just don't (and wouldn't advise doing either) searching for things to vote on, i just vote on things as i come across them

AviFS

20:53

Or are site-specific rep things not implemented

Redwolf Programs

TBH I wish downvotes were -10

AviFS

@hyper-neutrino I don't either

@RedwolfPrograms But then we'd use them way differently

Not just when things are uninteresting

caird coinheringaahing

@AviFS I know this is an "ivory tower" kind of view - but try to ignore reputation. It's nice to see the number go up, its extra nice to see the little green +10 (or whatever) and its even nicer to see the "You've earned badge/privilege" green thing. But, try to prioritise actions that improve the site over the little dopamine rush from getting rep/the sadness from losing rep. I still do the same - I hesitate before dv'ing answers because I lose rep, I double check before bounties etc. But prioritising quality actions over rep-centric actions does, in the "long" term, lead to getting more r…

Redwolf Programs

It'd keep my rep at a nice multiple of ten though :p

AviFS

@cairdcoinheringaahing In this case it's not the point I lose by downvoting, but the points they lose

hyper-neutrino

20:56

think of it this way - if rep is an incentive, downvoting someone is a disincentive

caird coinheringaahing

Ah, in that case I have a different paragraph to type out :P

AviFS

So even if I stop caring about rep, I can't possibly expect that everyone else has two

hyper-neutrino

i downvote posts i would rather people not produce :p which isn't too common

AviFS

@cairdcoinheringaahing Haha, sounds good!

It feels unpleasant to be downvoted without explanation and lose rep, and whatever is gained doesn't feel worth the cost

hyper-neutrino

it feels unpleasant for the number to not be a multiple of 10

AviFS

20:57

I do that for most kinds of reviewing

Unless something actually bad happened, I only leave a starred review if the stars I'd give them wouldn't lower their average

That is, if I'm going to give them more or equal stars

Unless there's a good reason, it just doesn't feel worthwhile

Especially with reviews when their livelihoods can be at stake

(Uber will stop showing you to as many people if you go below 4 stars, I think)

And the cost to their career/prospects, for them and whoever they're trying to support, doesn't to me seem worth potentially saving a few people from one 20min ride with a slightly moody driver, for example

Anyway, CGCC is not that

But that's my general view

hyper-neutrino

true, but the whole field is competition and it makes more sense to promote better people over worse people - and with the rest of the Q+A, to promote better answers over worse answers, for example. but yes, affecting people's livelihoods is definitely a consideration

caird coinheringaahing

@AviFS Unlike a lot of sites with some form of "approval" vote (likes, retweets, etc.), SE has "disapproval" as well, specifically to discourage poor behaviour. If a post isn't, in your eyes, something you want to see again elsewhere, downvote it. And yes, it's discouraging to the person who posted it - but that's kinda the point. And I'd much rather receive the odd downvote on an overall positively received post than have someone meticulously describe everything they dislike about what I did

hyper-neutrino

a hyper-competitive or restrictive job market that ends with people unable to support themselves is a whole other can of worms though, and I'd rather not get into socioeconomic/political discussions :P

anyway i gotta go for now. o/

AviFS

true, i didn't mean to! 'til later hyper

caird coinheringaahing

Downvoting is your way of saying "No, please don't do this again", and people are free to take that how they will. Fingers crossed, most people don't focus on a single negative in a field of positives, and downvotes have more weight in numbers, but some will, and it's best to explain what a downvote means to those users

AviFS

21:03

@cairdcoinheringaahing True, but I don't thumbs down on YouTube either

In principle and at a thinking level, I think I wholeheartedly agree. But on an emotional level, it's never felt worthwhile in the moment

Wezl

yeah I'm not sure what exactly downvotes mean on YT

AviFS

Do we know what they mean on SE?

Aside from closing eventually, probably just reduces visibility, no?

And lets the person know everyone hates them, haha

caird coinheringaahing

> this question does not show any research effort; it is unclear or not useful

> this answer is not useful

Those are the tooltips you get by hovering over the downvote button. On most SE sites, that is 100% what they should be used for

AviFS

Oh, I thought he meant he doesn't know what their effect is

Wezl

for example I downvoted an answer which was irreducible (no whitespace etc.) but which made zero golfing attempt

AviFS

21:07

But if they were new? I'm too soft I guess, haha

Peilonrayz

@AviFS Downvotes on YouTube can be a good thing, as user engagement - any user engagement - can be seen as good to The Algorithm.

Redwolf Programs

Showing people controversial stuff gets more views and ad revenue I guess

Twitter seems to thrive off that business model: p

caird coinheringaahing

Reddit literally has a "Sort by controversial" mode :P

Redwolf Programs

21:32

COVID test is not fun with allergies

smarnav

MUAHAHAHAHAA. behold, my æae masterpiece: pastebin.com/raw/tuyzwRCC (took me forever to make this)

Redwolf Programs

TIO

Thomas Ward

i lost all my bookmarks so sorry :)

wait why am I RO here o.O

smarnav

@RedwolfPrograms this is sort of my warmup for CBL. I made this language.

caird coinheringaahing

@ThomasWard You're a mod :P

smarnav

21:39

also, I forgot one thing in the code

Thomas Ward

ah right, interesting that it shows me as RO everywhere now xD Looks like i failed at the universe and missed a feature implementation by SE. :)

caird coinheringaahing

Mods have RO powers on all chat rooms aside from chat.meta ones (need to be an MSE mod), or the chat.stackoverflow ones (need to be an SO mod)

Thomas Ward

yep

we also have the vicious chat-system-wide "BE SILENT" tool as diamonds... shiftyeyes

haaaa, that's funny, there's actually a Powershell interpreter in TIO xD

(#WorstLanguageToGolfIn)

@cairdcoinheringaahing you can tell how long it's been since i've actually surfaced and paid attention to the chat system by how much i'm forgetting xD

caird coinheringaahing

:P

Thomas Ward

@RedwolfPrograms ... unless you wrote the code ungolfed to begin with and then golfed it... hides

;)

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