The Nineteenth Byte

Redwolf Programs

23:00

30k registers would be a bit time consuming :p

Half of the questions with it are about optimizing answer score and the other half about optimizing relating to the task

Lyxal

69 then

Redwolf Programs

I'd say four to eight would be fine

Bubbler

@cairdcoinheringaahing Kinda yes, but optimization problem is an important category of problems just like decision problem

Wezl

16 is generally more convenient

Lyxal

23:00

@RedwolfPrograms use world edit or something

Bubbler

@cairdcoinheringaahing Optimizing answer score should basically be re-tagged to code-challenge

Redwolf Programs

@Wezl I don't care much about convenience, I'm making a computer in Minecraft :p

caird coinheringaahing

@Bubbler Agreed

Wezl

actually yeah have 8+ general purpose ones and 16 total registers

@RedwolfPrograms convenient meaning aesthetically pleasing to Wezl or whatever else is convenient

Redwolf Programs

I'm going to go with four 8-bit registers for arithmetic, and two more for a single 16-bit pointer somewhere in memory, and another two for the instruction pointer

I'm almost certain that's TC, it'll be slower and more painful but much easier to work with

Bubbler

23:03

@RedwolfPrograms How can painful go along with easy to work with? :P

Redwolf Programs

@Bubbler Painful to use, easier to build and faster to run

Wezl

ooh can you have dynamically-resizing memory in MC? (Otherwise how do you make it theoretically TC?)

caird coinheringaahing

Well, my meta answer hit -4, so I'm going to delete it as it's clearly not popular

Redwolf Programs

@Wezl Potentially if you used a fancy flying machine setup, but I consider JS TC even though my laptop doesn't have infinite RAM :p

user

@cairdcoinheringaahing Why delete it? Keep it around to show what the community thinks

Redwolf Programs

23:04

I'll probably do about 10 KiB of RAM, that's good enough for anyone

user

It could be referenced in later meta discussions

caird coinheringaahing

@user Because I see no value in keeping answers that unpopular. If someone else does, they're free to post it

Wezl

@RedwolfPrograms how many MiBs is that if you convert it to Minecraft storage?

Bubbler

Any last feedback on this, and any feedback on this?

Redwolf Programs

@Wezl The way things are stored in MC, there's not really a parallel

user

23:05

@cairdcoinheringaahing But won't it show people what CGCC agrees on (or disagrees on)?

Redwolf Programs

I say leave the answer

Wezl

like stored on your computer

caird coinheringaahing

At the very least, any <10k users will see no opposing views to the current answer, and 10k+ users will see my opinion

user

If you delete your answer, the next time this is brought, someone will have to write the answer again so people can vote on it

Bubbler

Yeah, opposing answers should live too

Wezl

23:07

let's start a meta post :P

Bubbler

A meta-meta post?

Wezl

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Q: Delete own downvoted question/answer on Meta?

On Meta, Downvotes signify disagreement and not necessarily low quality So if an answer or question got downvoted on Meta - should the owner remove it or leave it? And is there a difference for questions and answers?

user

I think we need a meta-meta-meta post about whether ornot we should start a meta-meta post :P

caird coinheringaahing

Even ones at 0/-4? I understand the benefit of keeping opposing opinions easily accessible, but if they're that unpopular, then any <10k user will just see "no opposing view" which indicates the same thing

Wezl

@Bubbler yup, and those questions go on mother meta

Bubbler

23:08

obligatory xkcd

@cairdcoinheringaahing The fact that "they are that unpopular" should still live IMO

user

^

Redwolf Programs

^

Wezl

^

caird coinheringaahing

I suppose if you really want it, then those who can can cast a vote to undelete it

I maintain that an unpopular opinion and no dissenting opinion convey the same site consensus, so I won't be undeleting it

Lyxal

So different question: when blog?

Redwolf Programs

23:15

Let's go ahead and post a meta question to collect potential topics

caird coinheringaahing

10 hours ago, by caird coinheringaahing

I think we'd need to start a "brainstorming" thread first, where people can post blog ideas as answers

user

As soon as you write it :P

caird coinheringaahing

I'll write one up

user

@cairdcoinheringaahing When "brainstorming" thread?

Great

caird coinheringaahing

One Q: How regularly should we post to the blog?

2 weeks?

Redwolf Programs

23:16

I say one or two weeks is good

Two might be better to keep interest, but one is nice because I'm impatient :p

Lyxal

2

Bubbler

2 weeks

hyper-neutrino

wait, we have a subreddit? lol this is my first time ever hearing about this lol. if enough people are interested i'll remake one cuz it seems like the old one is entirely ded

Redwolf Programs

Yep, seems like 2 is the best option

We don't really need a subreddit, do we?

hyper-neutrino

i don't personally think so

caird coinheringaahing

23:19

It'd be nice to "snap up" r/cgcc in case we want it in the future

Even if it'll be dead until then

Redwolf Programs

Yeah, that's a good idea

hyper-neutrino

r/cgcc is taken

Redwolf Programs

D:

By who?

hyper-neutrino

no idea

there is one member

i could message the mod kindly requesting them to hand over the subreddit ID so we can have it :P

Lyxal

Truly a bruh moment

caird coinheringaahing

23:20

What's a good "minimum" length for a blog post?

Lyxal

And it only allows trusted members to post there too

caird coinheringaahing

500 words? 1000?

Lyxal

@cairdcoinheringaahing 5 paragraphs?

Redwolf Programs

Too short

hyper-neutrino

never mind no way to take it from them

it is owned by u/9ballrider who is suspended

caird coinheringaahing

23:21

The context is "The topic should be something they can write at least X amount about"

Lyxal

@hyper-neutrino oof

hyper-neutrino

r/cgse, r/cgccse, and r/codegolfse are open

caird coinheringaahing

r/cgccse is good

Redwolf Programs

I guess so, but it's an ugly color :/

I think 1000 words is good for the blog

Lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms I don't think we need one

Redwolf Programs

23:24

Maybe we could do r/cgcccodegolf for maximum ATM machine

Lyxal

:o my reddit premium didn't actually expire!

user

Btw I'm putting my bounty on good answers to old questions on hold for a while

@RedwolfPrograms What is a good color? r/cgccs?

Lyxal

@hyper-neutrino what reddit name are you?

Redwolf Programs

That's a nice shade of green yeah

hyper-neutrino

r/codegolfandcodingchallengesstackexchange

wait, what do you mean by color

Redwolf Programs

23:26

I have synesthesia and see words and letters as colors :p

hyper-neutrino

oh right i think you mentioned this before and i just have terrible memory :P

Wezl

@Wezl If you want that without the ~~curse~~ ~~subliminal advertising~~ ~~smear marks~~ I'll make it

user

@Wezl No, we must advance the hivemind!

hyper-neutrino

@Lyxal u/hyperneutrino15 because u/hyper-neutrino was taken by some idiot who uninstalled his 2fa app and wasn't able to get back into the account ever again

Redwolf Programs

~~You?~~

hyper-neutrino

23:30

or rather my 2FA just randomly stopped working for both sites i used it on for some reason

i think it may have been due to DST

user

@hyper-neutrino So it was you?

hyper-neutrino

yes

Redwolf Programs

Aw, you ruined my joke by making it the truth and therefore not a joke :(

Which is more useful: AND, OR, NOR, or NAND?

user

NAND

caird coinheringaahing

NAND

hyper-neutrino

23:31

i think NAND can build all of the others

user

You can do anything with NAND (and NOR)

Redwolf Programs

So can NOR IIRC

Wezl

NAND because it's longest

user

Wow, three ninjas!

Wezl

wow all these ninjas

hyper-neutrino

23:32

meta-ninja

3

user

meta ninja

5 ninjas?!

Wezl

@user did you do that on purpose >:/

user

@Wezl Yes :P

The others were legit though

Redwolf Programs

NAND and NOR are equally easy to implement, I guess I'll go with NOR

Wezl

@RedwolfPrograms but nand is longer

@user yeah because "everything" is longer

:57641609 was that a casualty to Lyxal?

user

23:36

More or less

Lyxal

Who let all these ninjas in the room?

Redwolf Programs

Oh nice, I forgot that you can implement decrement trivially with increment and NOT

Lyxal

I can barely move an inch without almost being killed by a ninja star

user

@Lyxal Do you get summoned anytime someone says your username?

caird coinheringaahing

That's nothing :P

Lyxal

23:37

@user no I just check this a lot

Wezl

someone make a userscript that warns you early if you say "is"

caird coinheringaahing

DJ used to be able to be summoned by bringing up brainflak or V

Redwolf Programs

@Wezl Already did but I'm not sharing it :p

user

@Wezl NO, please no

caird coinheringaahing

Dennis with Jelly, and Martin with Regex :P

Redwolf Programs

23:38

It also warns me if other people do so I can go ahead and ignore Lyxal

Lyxal

This is so sad

user

brainflak, V, Vim, Jelly, Regex, Retina! I summon thee, DJ, Dennis, and Martin! Rise and golf again!

@cairdcoinheringaahing Not working :\

Wezl

@Wezl 'someone make a userscript that warns you early if you say "' is not '"', it's '...'

Lyxal

@RedwolfPrograms so that's why I've felt ignored sometimes! :p

Redwolf Programs

Wait, I think I can condense the entirety of my computer's instruction set into eight commands

As long as I allow writing directly to the instruction pointer for jumps

How should the I/O work?

I've got two different ideas for it:

1. The input and output is just written to a block of memory before and after running the program

2. There are input and output instructions

Wezl

23:41

I/O is deprecated. It will be superseded by FP in the next release

hyper-neutrino

okay i grabbed r/cgccse; not going to make a meta post and please nobody do, i don't intend for this to really be used cuz i don't think we actually need one, i just wanted to grab a link in case we wanted it later on so we wouldn't get sniped again

user

The IO typeclass?

Wezl

noone knows when the next release is

Lyxal

@hyper-neutrino modmail time!

New Meta Posts

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Q: What should we write about on our blog?

We're currently waiting on a solid consensus on how to host a blog, but while we wait, we should collect ideas for what blog posts should discuss. Suggest your ideas here. Below, submit one topic per answer. Each answer should also contain the list of users (potentially just one) who are willing ...

discussion blog

hyper-neutrino

23:46

i just got a button saying "0 new answers to this question"... thanks se?

user

I like these ideas

Redwolf Programs

All of these are awesome ideas, I think we'll have a year's worth of good material in no time

user

Just need to make sure people actually see these blog posts.

I really hope we don't run out of momentum like LotM

hyper-neutrino

CMP how often do you use the keyboard shortcuts to navigate SE

user

Like Ctrl+Tab?

Wezl

23:49

@hyper-neutrino never

Bubbler

^

Unrelated String

do not even know what they are

user

^

Redwolf Programs

I just disabled them today because they were annoying

Wezl

wait a sec are there shortcuts other than browser shortcuts?

Redwolf Programs

23:49

Yes

hyper-neutrino

in settings > preferences you can turn on keyboard shortcuts

Redwolf Programs

We could also do blog posts around things like AoC

caird coinheringaahing

Well, my phone just buzzed for a full minute thanks to all those blog suggestions :P

user

You're welcome :)

Lyxal

It will be buzzing for maybe a bit longer

hyper-neutrino

23:51

for example G opens navigation; G-H is go home, G-M is go main / meta (if you're on meta / main), G-Q is questions, etc

caird coinheringaahing

Think I might put it on silent so I can sleep tonight :P

hyper-neutrino

U selects the first post / the question you have open, J and K are down and up

Unrelated String

toggling meta actually seems kind of nice to have

Wezl

@hyper-neutrino better hope my cat's not secretly watching, but I'll try it

hyper-neutrino

aaaaand. the "what to write on blog" post has already been auto-flagged by community for having too many answers

:)

Redwolf Programs

23:58

We've got 3 months of good suggestions already, I say we start the blog soon :p

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