The Nineteenth Byte

hyper-neutrino

17:06

thanks for the suggestions; i decided to go with the lambda symbol still, using a really bad 3-minute hand-drawn thing in paint3d lmao

StackMeter

what's all this about compressed strings

pxeger

Damned daylight savings time. I just got bombarded with alerts because my email system didn't receive its weekly test email at 6pm when it was expecting it, because it's only 5pm in UTC

@hyper-neutrino that is horrendous and I love it

StackMeter

especially since it uses characters that are 2/3 bytes each

Razetime

@StackMeter codepage

pxeger

@StackMeter it uses Jelly's codepage: github.com/DennisMitchell/jellylanguage/wiki/Code-page

StackMeter

17:08

and does that make it count as one byte

Razetime

it makes em 1 byte

StackMeter

oh

Redwolf Programs

I wish I could access TIO here :/

pxeger

Can you access ato.pxeger.com? ;)

Adám

> We don't advertise or use any tracking technologies

Uh, not true.

pxeger

17:17

Do you object to Clouflare's cookies?

Adám

No, but I object to Google's.

pxeger

Google Fonts' CDNs? Or is there something else I don't know about

Adám

Yeah. Directly using Google Fonts from your site before asking for consent is against GDPR.

StackMeter

also I have 9 badges now

pxeger

@Adám Really? Do you think every one of the millions of sites using it are breaking the law?

Adám

17:22

@pxeger Yes, I do think so.

pxeger

Side note: according to fonts.google.com/analytics, 40% of requests come from Linux. Must be a lot of caching servers

hyper-neutrino

if you download the font from google fonts (assuming that's allowed) and host it locally that should be fine right? (not sure if this is even possible)

Redwolf Programs

@hyper-neutrino It's possible, I do it

Adám

@hyper-neutrino Yes, that is indeed the recommended method, e.g. here.

hyper-neutrino

ah, okay. i might download the fonts i'm using on my personal site then; i don't really think being GDPR-compliant is particularly necessary/important for my personal site but i should keep these things in mind more

Adám

17:25

It is extremely unlikely that you'll get slammed for it, but if someone was out to hurt you, they could technically report you.

Never mind the myriad of GDPR informational sites that are non-compliant…

Redwolf Programs

I beat perl in a kolmo challenge (with JS) by implementing huffman coding

rak1507

@RedwolfPrograms link?

pxeger

I bet you that gdpr-info.eu isn't GDPR compliant lol

Redwolf Programs

@rak1507 codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/223412/79857

hyper-neutrino

isn't GDPR specific to the EU? that is, is it legally necessary for my site to be GDPR-compliant

Citty

17:27

@pxeger I mean they are sending a php session for... some reason

caird coinheringaahing

If you have European users, then yes, it must be GDPR-compliant

pxeger

@hyper-neutrino if you want to have european users, then yes

hyper-neutrino

so would i have to block people with european IPs / whatever if i want to not be gdpr compliant? (when i have time i'll just fix up my site to be gdpr compliant, but just wondering)

Redwolf Programs

If I forget how to check my log files I guess that makes it GDPR compliant :p

Adám

@pxeger Does appear to be, actually.

rak1507

17:29

@RedwolfPrograms cool answer

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms That's 513 bytes long, not 572

Redwolf Programs

Wait really?

I guess my dotcomma interpreter isn't very good at counting

caird coinheringaahing

That's what it says on both the gradscript and when I post it into a UTF-based TIO

Redwolf Programs

Either that or some special characters got lost in translation

Adám

@hyper-neutrino Not sure. You may need to ask every visitor if they are from the EU.

Redwolf Programs

17:31

I use things in the 0x01 to 0x1f range, and 0x7f and 0x80, so those are probably going to disappear

hyper-neutrino

ah, okay. i'll self-host the fonts i guess and other than that i'm not sure there's anything else that could be gdpr-incompliant? my site is static

Redwolf Programs

When I get home in a few hours I'll use TIO to count the bytes properly

pxeger

17:45

@Adám Google Fonts removed :) github.com/pxeger/attempt_this_online/commit/…

Wasif

Are chat messages licensed in cc-by-sa-4?

Redwolf Programs

@user Any thoughts on standardizing the .anguish file format?

Wezl

@Wasif it seems to be phrased like they are in the TOS

Wasif

@Wezl what is TOS

Redwolf Programs

Terms of Service

Wezl

17:47

terms of service

Wasif

Oh

Wezl

I changed my pfp btw ::::D

pxeger

Different eye colour?

Wasif

Wow there is record 20 users in chat now!

Wezl

@pxeger not exactly

as in, no

Deadcode

17:49

This is fucking SURREAL. It's like the universe conspired to make mathematics turn out just right so that regex could emulate working on larger numbers using the number base floor(sqrt(N))+1 with a VERY short division algorithm. It saved 141 friggin' bytes on Shift right by half a bit!

The 30 byte division algorithm now fully explained in Division and remainder

Wasif

Internet experience in Windows phone+MS edge is very poor

@Wezl what have you changed

Wezl

how does output work in regex? Is it like prolog, where it matches an input followed by its output?

Deadcode

@Wezl The string matched is the output.

Output can also be done in capture groups

but in this particular regex it's the main match (sometimes referred to as capture group 0)

Redwolf Programs

So it's impossible to output a larger number than the input?

Deadcode

@RedwolfPrograms Indeed. The only way would be by outputting it in a number base.

With multiple capture groups. And then the number of digits could only be a constant

it couldn't grow to an arbitrary number of digits

Redwolf Programs

17:54

Some day I'm going to have to learn how these mathematical regexes work

Wasif

I don't know even basic regex properly, but these inspire me to learn regex :-)

Deadcode

:-D

Wezl

@Wasif it's impossible to see at its native 16x16 resolution

10 rep to who(m???)ever guesses it first

@someone-who-has-learned-proper-English-grammar ^?

user

@RedwolfPrograms I guess the file could contain a number that corresponds to the amount of poison you drink to understand the pain of whoever made the file :P

(for legal reasons, don't do this)

hyper-neutrino

"who" is a subject, "whom" is an object. you would say "10 rep to him" not "10 rep to he", so it would be "10 rep to whomever"

user

17:59

Or maybe you mess with glutamate receptors, I think those cause pain

@hyper-neutrino Oh, is that English? I need to learn that language right after I'm done learning APL

Wezl

Mar 11 at 0:24, by Redwolf Programs

So you mean XML?

hyper-neutrino

not sure, never learned english, i was just reading the documentation, since as we all know, english is consistent and well-documented and has rules that can be understood by a normal human

5

Redwolf Programs

I hate people who complain about bad english. I speak it natively and still don't understand it.

user

Since humans made it, it totally makes sense that they would make it as natural and easy to use as possible /s

Wezl

.anguish should be a specific dialect(?) of XML for portability, difficulty, turing-completeness(?), and the other benefits

user

18:02

@RedwolfPrograms How are you compiling it? Try an interpreter maybe

Wasif

CMQ: What spoken languages do you know with just listening

Wezl

@Wasif none

hyper-neutrino

@Wasif english and mandarin; i can kind of understand extremely limited french

user

@Wasif English, Hindi, Marathi, and I used to kinda understand French

rak1507

@Wezl ?

hyper-neutrino

18:03

or do you mean only listening, as in i can't speak it

Redwolf Programs

@Wasif English, and a bit of spanish if you talk slowly and use simple words

Wezl

well, maybe postscript

user

@rak1507 Weasels don't understand spoken English, duh.

rak1507

lol

hyper-neutrino

@Wezl you very slightly recolored the weasel's body to have a bit of texture instead of just being solid #a98855

Wezl

18:03

@user with babelfish, it's pretty easy though

user

@Wezl Babelfish allows you to translate to Weasel-speak?!

Wezl

@hyper-neutrino I would never use all 6 digits! Before it was #a85. You still get 5 rep though

caird coinheringaahing

@Wasif English, German and a decent amount of French

StackMeter

wait I don't understand regexs

hyper-neutrino

well my color picker says it was a98855 :P so idk

how do you plan to give me 5 rep

caird coinheringaahing

18:05

Persuade you to downvote 5 answers

Wezl

@user ~~crazy~~ misled humans, assuming weasels use spoken language

user

@hyper-neutrino Rounded down to 0

hyper-neutrino

;-;

Wezl

rounded up to 10

user

@Wezl Sorry :-|

Redwolf Programs

18:06

I figured out a way to give someone 5 rep

Downvote 5 of their posts

Then accept one of their answers to your question

Wezl

or round it up to 50 :)

Redwolf Programs

Wait no

That'd be -3 and +5

caird coinheringaahing

Yeah, that works

Redwolf Programs

No, there's a +2 for accepting

caird coinheringaahing

Yeah, but you get that

user

18:07

Post a bad answer that they'll see and downvote

caird coinheringaahing

The person whose answer it was gets +15

Redwolf Programs

I know, but I'm trying to get it to be exactly giving 5

hyper-neutrino

i think redwolf is trying to figure out a way to go -5 while the recipient goes +5

Wezl

make a main challenge "how to award an amount of rep most efficiently" please

hyper-neutrino

basically, the net change in reputation is 0, and you are actually giving it to them

Wezl

18:07

actually wait I get dibs

Redwolf Programs

@Wezl I was working on one already but it was boring

Months ago

Wezl

ok

hyper-neutrino

also yeah since you ran in the RO election, and your election post has your old PFP linked (because i just copied the link for each user from their profile), i just went to that thread and found your old pfp and compared them :P

caird coinheringaahing

@Wezl Already exists, lemme find it

Redwolf Programs

Wait, is it possible to give any arbitrary amount of rep without affecting any other users, with the net change being +0?

Wezl

18:08

@cairdcoinheringaahing repost with a ~~looser~~ tighter IO format

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms Yes, as you can downvote questions without losing rep

hyper-neutrino

penalty for questions is -1 on the recipient right?

Redwolf Programs

-2

user

-2

caird coinheringaahing

Meaning that you can award any amount of rep you like, then downvote and upvote until the scores are equal

hyper-neutrino

18:09

oh

Redwolf Programs

But only multiples of two

hyper-neutrino

let's say A is giving to B

StackMeter

who wants an upvote

Wezl

@StackMeter you of course

hyper-neutrino

A and B downvote each other's answers so now they are both at -3 (i think this is the only way to make the rep change odd)

caird coinheringaahing

18:10

You'd benefit from it more than any of us :P

StackMeter

bruh

hyper-neutrino

B upvotes something (A +7) and then downvotes 4 questions (-1)

A upvotes something (B +7) and then downvotes 3 questions (+1)

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino They can then downvote any combination of each other's questions and answers to reach any negative score, thus offsetting the initial rep given from A to B

hyper-neutrino

thus the net change is -1 for A, +1 for B

and you can repeat this however many times you need

Redwolf Programs

Okay I figured it out

ninja'd

Wezl

18:12

@RedwolfPrograms that's the perfect solution

hyper-neutrino

another way to make the rep change odd is if the user currently has an even amount of reputation and then gets suspended

Redwolf Programs

G: DVA  -1 -2
G: UV   -1 +8
G: DVQ  -1 +6
G: DVQ  -1 +4
G: DVQ  -1 +2
R: DVA  -3 +1
R: UV   +7 +1
R: DVQ  +5 +1
R: DVQ  +3 +1
R: DVQ  +1 +1
R: DVQ  -1 +1

G: Giver, R: Receiver

user

@hyper-neutrino Um, we may be going a little too far here

Redwolf Programs

DVA: DV answer, DVQ: Downvote question, UV: Upvote

StackMeter

@hyper-neutrino bruh v2

caird coinheringaahing

18:13

It annoys me that the required and some of the mod-only meta tags have tag wikis, but show blank, e.g. find bug in this list, but it has a tag wiki

@hyper-neutrino No, because they don't actually lose the rep, it's just not shown

user

Huh, bug has a bug

@cairdcoinheringaahing Appearance is very important

StackMeter

CWC: average ascii code of print("")

Redwolf Programs

CWC?

caird coinheringaahing

@user It's the same with discussion and feature-request, same with all the status-whatever tags as well

@StackMeter Jelly, 4 bytes

StackMeter

thanks.

gotta go post an anser

caird coinheringaahing

18:16

There's already multiple Python answers to that challenge

A shorter one :P

New Sandboxed Posts

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A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Given a string s, find a string t, containing only printable ASCII characters (32-126), such that PPCG53675(t)=s. You can assume such string exist.

StackMeter

18:42

just asked to join Jelly Hypertraining

I need rep

and Python just ain't delivering

also no-one upvotes it

Redwolf Programs

In a month or two Ash will be ready and you can learn it :p

Wezl

@StackMeter may I ask what for?

IMO rep is for bounties

caird coinheringaahing

@StackMeter Feel free to ping me in JHT ~~if you've got any~~ when you have questions about Jelly :)

StackMeter

but I'llstill do Python since it's ingrained in the very ashes of my soul

rak1507

@StackMeter get as good at golf as xnor then you'll get upvotes ;)

caird coinheringaahing

18:44

Also, Python's one of the most upvoted languages on the site, but rep typically comes from FGITW answers, not answers in specific languages

StackMeter

what's FGITW

Wezl

fastest gun in the west

caird coinheringaahing

Posting an answer first, even if it isn't the best

Wezl

it's when you answer quickly so you get all the upvotes

like now I'll upvote caird's comment because it explained FGITW well first

caird coinheringaahing

Nah, the better example would be that people would upvote your explanation, cause it was first, even if mine was a "better" explanation :P

StackMeter

18:47

yeah

Wezl

hm, I can't find the upvote. I only see a downvote button :)

StackMeter

I did that once

became my most upvoted answer

Redwolf Programs

Posting an answer you worked hard on on an old question and nobody seeing it is the worst :/

StackMeter

got three upvotes

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms That's why you show it off relentlessly at the Best Ofs :P

rak1507

18:48

@RedwolfPrograms yeah :(

StackMeter

three

caird coinheringaahing

Totally didn't manage to push my Enigma machine from +2 to +13 with a +500 bounty :P

Redwolf Programs

Well I'm not waiting a year, everybody look at this!!!

StackMeter

greatest moment of my life

getting > two

> two

rak1507

@cairdcoinheringaahing the problem is if you do something good but not best-of good

caird coinheringaahing

18:49

@StackMeter In fairness, the question wasn't that great, so answers aren't likely to get a lot of upvotes

Redwolf Programs

Yep, top 75% answers are in the worst category

caird coinheringaahing

@rak1507 Ah, that's why you spin it, so that it is best-of good :P

Redwolf Programs

Not good enough for best of, not easy enough for a FGITW

rak1507

like, imo this answer codegolf.stackexchange.com/questions/2645/… was pretty good, but not good enough for a best of

caird coinheringaahing

Or just be sad about how underappreciated your answer is and ask for people to look at it :/

Wezl

18:50

@RedwolfPrograms usually I'm impressed by but I refrain from voting for things people post in chat

(but sometimes I just have to give into my natural desire :)

rak1507

@cairdcoinheringaahing lol

Redwolf Programs

Maybe I should make a userscript that gives you a random answer posted recently on an old question, with a nice obvious upvote button :p

rak1507

@cairdcoinheringaahing hey everyone look at this codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/220227/95516 isn't ⌊.+⍨⍛⌊⍨⍣≡ the coolest thing you've ever seen?!??!

StackMeter

@cairdcoinheringaahing I ain't mad, greatest number I've had

caird coinheringaahing

I know how "ivory tower" it can sound coming from someone with a lot of rep, but ignoring rep is one of the best things you can do to make the site more enjoyable

rak1507

18:51

yeah I pretty much ignore rep

hyper-neutrino

@cairdcoinheringaahing i think i should just make you an RO for JHT; anyone else you think should be an RO too?

caird coinheringaahing

@StackMeter Just wait til you get 4, it's even better! :P

Redwolf Programs

I'll ignore it when I get 25k :p

I mostly don't care I just like the green thing

caird coinheringaahing

@hyper-neutrino @UnrelatedString's in there a lot, and definitely knows their Jelly

rak1507

I don't really care I'm more interested in trying to do the best solution that I can

StackMeter

18:52

@rak1507 here have an upvote

rak1507

lol

StackMeter

since it's golfed

rak1507

stonks

caird coinheringaahing

Most of the activity in JHT is me and Unrelated talking about weird stuff in Jelly :P

hyper-neutrino

oh, i see :P

Redwolf Programs

18:53

@cairdcoinheringaahing As in you're talking in Jelly? :p

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms “¡Pd\» :P

user

If it's okay to shamelessly promote myself, look at codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/216987/95792 and codegolf.stackexchange.com/a/...

Redwolf Programs

If only I could open TIO to know what you said :p

caird coinheringaahing

Also, it's stupid that “Yes” is shorter uncompressed :?

rak1507

@user already upvoted both of them

user

18:55

@cairdcoinheringaahing Yes is probably not commonly used, and it's short already

rak1507

the second one is incredible

Redwolf Programs

I get aaBA when I use the offline interpreter, I must have done something wrong

hyper-neutrino

@cairdcoinheringaahing i think you can omit the closing quote if you use a normal string

user

@rak1507 Ported someone else's approach, but I'm proud of it :P

Wezl

@user I'm only upvoting this because I forgot to before >:/

caird coinheringaahing

18:55

@hyper-neutrino Which makes it even worse :P

hyper-neutrino

yep :P

Adám

@user … vs ... gives it away.

user

@Adám Thanks, I'll fix that

Aww, it's too late now

Redwolf Programs

I made an alias on my laptop so that jellifer is jelly eu hehe

Wezl

we need stealth-ping for the single use of punishing rickrollers

StackMeter

18:58

yes

I will wipe their hard-drives

Redwolf Programs

Because jenny is short for jennifer, so jelly is short for jellifer

user

@Wezl It would be abused too easily and used for evil.

@RedwolfPrograms Does this go back to the whole lucy <-> lucifer thing?

caird coinheringaahing

@RedwolfPrograms Well, if I have have kids, I know what to call them :P

Redwolf Programs

Feb 1 at 21:05, by Redwolf Programs

I would love to live in a universe where the name Tony was short for Tonifer

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