The Nineteenth Byte

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

18:00

@flawr mildly nsfw, but more "lolwtf"

DJMcMayhem

That's probably also the dog that shows up when you spare REDACTED

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

pls

quartata

pls

Nathan Merrill

Hey, things like sets have implied facts such as "doesn't contain duplicates". Can you conceive of a type system that would incorporate such facts?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

i have no money right now but I want this game so badly

DJMcMayhem

18:01

Hey at least I redacted it

quartata

Have you played the demo yet?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@NathanMerrill what kind of set system?

@quartata nupe

quartata

do that first

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

link?

DJMcMayhem

How far does demo go? Up to snowdin?

Nathan Merrill

18:02

literally a Set<T>. Meaning, if you put an object in twice, and remove it once, it doesn't contain the object

that isn't true of a List<T>

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

define conceive then? i.e. pseudocode?

quartata

@DJMcMayhem Just to the end of the Ruins

Nathan Merrill

like, is it possible to encode that information so it can be used for compile-time checking

betseg

i want to do some project euler things but there are too many. halp

Nathan Merrill

oooh, you could have a trait Contains<T>, where the trait simply is true if the collection contains that T.

remove(T) on a set would definitely say that Contains<T> is not true

where, that isn't true on a List

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

18:06

my name in the demo is now Q because there is no backspace

TBF canonically Riker isn't that different, but whatever

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

Trying to make a logo with über-high production quality using Preview (annotation tools!) and Paintbrush (*pixel by pixel editing*/ MS Paint for Mac)

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@quartata help its frozen wiht the little dude in some flowers

DJMcMayhem

@quartata do you know if the name Easter eggs work in the demo too?

Dennis

@El'endiaStarman The non-debug invocation of Minkolang should say Program(file, sys.argv[2] if len(sys.argv) > 2 else "").run(), no? Right now, it crashes if there is no input.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@DJMcMayhem is one of them "Q = borks game"

DJMcMayhem

18:08

No. And I'm not gonna tell you what they are because even that is pretty important to the plot, lol

TuxCopter

TIL there was a Klingon letter on Wikipedia logo until 2010

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

I'm just trying to get a 96x96 white block centered on a 128x128 transparent canvas, png.

I made a 96x96 bounding box and the margins (left + right) are 40, verified canvas is 128x128

why is this so hard? ;_;

Good, it's centered horizontally now

Gabriel Benamy

set the x- and y- coordinates of the white box to be 16

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@GabrielBenamy I can't.

Does GIMP have that feature?

Gabriel Benamy

yikes

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

18:17

Preview, it was designed (mostly) for viewing and marking up pdfs and images

Preview, Paintbrush, ImageMagick for resizing magic, GIMP that I don't know how to use, Photoshop that I really have no idea how to use

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@DJMcMayhem so undertale has persistent bits from game to game?

it appears to, since I've closed it after the first meeting with flowey 3 times and his message changes every time

culminating in "don't you have anything better to do"

ArtOfCode

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC paint.net

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@ArtOfCode Thanks!

KVM should be able to run it...

TuxCopter

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC Very simple: “Do GIMP have X?” “Yes”

DJMcMayhem

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ yes. It's extremely Meta throughout the whole game

If you like trying random crap like that to see how the characters respond, you'll really like this game

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

18:20

i do

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@TuxCopter does GIMP have JPEG deartifcacting?

TuxCopter

I have no fucking idea what this means but probably

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@DJMcMayhem I suspected the white bullets were bullets the very first time, and dodged them all. failed at dodging them the next time, so I restarted twice more until I could dodge them all

to see if it would make a difference in him trying to kill me

DJMcMayhem

Haha nice

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

how flip switches

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

18:22

@TuxCopter You have JPEG. You want to remove artifacts. Photoshop is few clicks

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

shit esc closes the game

DJMcMayhem

Dodging them really pisses flowey off

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@DJMcMayhem I like it, is it always $10?

@DJMcMayhem can confirm

TuxCopter

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC GIMP definitively have this

DJMcMayhem

Yeah, but sales are frequent

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

18:22

but its the same as having tauriel save you so far

(don't spoil if it makes a difference later)

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

Welp got the white thing done

DJMcMayhem

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ I don't consider this a spoiler since there is basically no Canon about this character, but what happens if you name your character "gaster"?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

checkign

@DJMcMayhem so this whole thing is like a cool choose your own adventure game, but with savescumming kinda not allowed

@DJMcMayhem nothing?

DJMcMayhem

It's like a JRPG mixed with a self-aware TV tropes inspired choose your own adventure book, except that the game is smarter than the player

Downgoat

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC #2

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

18:25

Usually, when icon requirements say "16 px margin" do they include the grey, whiteish transition pixels?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

no

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ savescumming is deliberate

Downgoat

It mean 16px of background

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC it's pretty much nullified in this game

DJMcMayhem

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ oh. I didn't expect that. What about "bratty"?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

18:26

checking

@DJMcMayhem nothing up until flowey

DJMcMayhem

Huh. OK then

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

most likely they aren't in the demo

the easter eggs, i mean

makes sense

DJMcMayhem

Make sure you try gaster in the real game

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

kk

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

Ah, the final product:

@Downgoat, master of the photoshops, what do you think?

Wait I forgot vertical center

darnit

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

18:30

TuxCopter

wat

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@TuxCopter they are coming for your kidneys

run

run faster

TuxCopter

AHHHHHHH

Gabriel Benamy

tfw ur code is shorter than all non-golf languages but you only have one upvote

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

I am using the crop tool to measure pixel distances

Poke

18:37

wowsers i hit rep cap yesterday for the first time

it's good to see people understand that java is the superior language

TuxCopter

^ wrong

Xanderhall

@Poke Correct

TuxCopter

^(ಠ_ಠ).

Poke

@TuxCopter I dunno, man. tiobe.com/tiobe-index

My hips don't lie

TuxCopter

@Poke ಠ_ಠ

I have idea brb

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

18:41

How to put in image boundaries :/

TuxCopter

Netbeans don't want to load so false alert

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC ~~carefully~~ this joke is overused

I should stop using it

Geobits

Well, I think I completely screwed up my computer. Lovely.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@TuxCopter ??? What joke?

Poke

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC the magnetic lasso tool

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@Geobits What'd you do?

TuxCopter

18:43

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC The 'Q: How to do X' 'A: carefully'

TimmyD

He installed Linux.

Poke

@Geobits interest peaked

Geobits

Tried to update the OS. Rookie mistake. Should have installed fresh copy.

TuxCopter

@TimmyD ಠ_________________________________________________ಠ

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@TuxCopter this is an actual question

Poke

18:43

from what to what

TuxCopter

Linux is the best OS

Geobits

Ubuntu, just 14.04 to 16.04

TimmyD

@Poke piqued

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@Poke I just need to think of the best size

Dennis

@Geobits Been there. Ubuntu?

ninja'd with the answer

Geobits

18:44

Right now I have no internet, sound, admin privileges, or ability to mount drives (beside the main HDD).

TimmyD

Holy crap, my shot-in-the-dark slam against Linux turned out to have been correct?

2

lol

Poke

@TimmyD wow you're right. the hell was i doing?

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@Geobits How you access TNB?

Geobits

Laptop, mobile, any other device with a browser.

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

Done with the logo. Finaaaaaallly

I don't know about you, but I'll thank TNB in my .* whatever thanks speech (when that comes around)

Geobits

18:47

@TimmyD Kinda? If I'd installed it from scratch, it probably would'v worked fine. I don't know what I was thinking clicking the 'update' button.

At this point I think I'm just gonna pull the drive, copy my stuff over, and format the thing.

TimmyD

Eh, it's a Friday. I'll take a "Kinda."

Geobits

I can't even mount an external to backup the easy way :(

Poke

just boot off of a flash mcdrive

ggez

Geobits

Oh, duh

Thank you for pointing out the obvious. I'm pretty frustrated right now :)

Kritixi Lithos

Why is updating Linux a rookie mistake? (I've never used Ubuntu)

Geobits

18:51

It just never works. It borks config files and system crap every single time I've done it.

Rahul Jain

hello there

TimmyD

> Two is the only even prime. Which makes it rather odd.

quartata

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ not bad

feersum

Updating Windows 8 to 10 seemed to work, strangely enough.

Geobits

Ubuntu, that is

Kritixi Lithos

18:52

So what is the solution for updating it?

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@quartata yep

feersum

For all primes p, p is the only prime divisible by p.

Geobits

Anything but the update button lol

Kritixi Lithos

I think I will stick with El Capitan for some more time :)

quartata

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ false_impression.avi

@DJMcMayhem Doubt it. The demo is a very old build

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

18:53

no, it was my keyboard

Geobits

I've never had it go this wrong though. Usually it just messes small stuff up that's easily fixed.

quartata

Some aspects of the ruins have changed

DJMcMayhem

@LuisMendo hahaha, that's amazing. My phone started learning V

Kritixi Lithos

How do you make your phone learn a language?

DJMcMayhem

@quartata yeah, I had Easterly test gaster and bratty, and they didn't work

quartata

18:55

sshhhhh

you're gonna tempt him into googling things

that would be bad

Geobits

Ok, I give up. Booting from flash drive gives kernel panic. Time to find the gasoline.

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DJMcMayhem

Gaster isn't a spoiler because literally nothing is known Canon about him

And bratty is a very minor character

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@quartata don't worry

quartata

@DJMcMayhem Unused levels and sounds don't count as canon?

There's just enough to make it interesting imo

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@KritixiLithos correcting its autocorrect enough times

DJMcMayhem

18:57

Ehhh

@quartata I agree with that. The mystery makes it more interesting.

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@orlp I think I've got the solution to your level, but haven't tried it yet

DJMcMayhem

But still, when you have to hack the game to even know that gaster exists, it doesn't feel like Canon

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

involves using the funnel with cubes in it to block the laser

New Main Posts

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Q: The Squaring Sequence

Each term in the squaring sequence, xn, is created by taking xn-1, squaring it, and removing all but the first four digits. The sequence always begins with x1 = 1111. Squaring this yields 1234321, so x2 = 1234 The first few terms are: 1111 1234 1522 2316 5363 ... The Challenge Your task ...

Flp.Tkc

19:14

I just got the coolest repl.it url: repl.it/Eeek/1

Eeek!

Kritixi Lithos

@DJMcMayhem It would be nice to have a list of ALL the V commands in a wiki page

Dennis

@Mego Figured something out. tio.run/nexus/java-openjdk#JYzBCsMgEETvfoXNKbnkB/… and tio.run/nexus/…

Kritixi Lithos

I never knew you used the curly braces in that way, @Dennis

Dennis

Depends on the language.

Poke

@Flp.Tkc it even has the "1" at the end for the exclamation point

@KritixiLithos he also likes tabs over spaces

:[

Geobits

19:19

@Dennis I agree with you on most formatting choices, but ewww.... :P

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Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Poke no, that's the mark of a sane person

4

Dennis

I don't really have a preference for Java; I don't use it. I just pulled a random code snippet from the internet and made some changes. >_>

5

DJMcMayhem

@KritixiLithos There's this github.com/DJMcMayhem/V/wiki/Normal-Mode-Commands

It's not entirely up to date though

Geobits

@Dennis Fair enough. Just know that it's as bad as using spaces to indent ;)

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Kritixi Lithos

@DJMcMayhem But you used a weird n with a tilde on top of it. What does it do? It is not in the list of normal commands

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

19:22

that's a character from spanish, pronounced enn-yey

Kritixi Lithos

Hablar no espa(enn-yey)ol

Dennis

enn-ye, in any case.

DJMcMayhem

@KritixiLithos yeah it is. I wrote it as {count}ñ

Xanderhall

I wish imports didn't have to count for Java problems. :(

DJMcMayhem

It's similar to vim's q, but more convenient for golf

Kritixi Lithos

19:24

@DJMcMayhem I knew I should not have trusted my brain's Ctrl+F...

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@Dennis yeah, I was just trying to show it's not "yeh"

DJMcMayhem

Lol

Poke

@Xanderhall i know that feel

DJMcMayhem

Are you familiar with vim? You can also ping me in here if you ever have V questions

Kritixi Lithos

I just learnt vim ~1 month ago

Gabriel Benamy

19:25

@DJMcMayhem the... linux text editor?

Xanderhall

@Poke I want to use Streams in some of my solutions, but having to spend 19 bytes to do it just sucks.

Kritixi Lithos

But V seems like a unique and special language compared to the other stack-based ones

DJMcMayhem

It's not stack based

Kritixi Lithos

That's why V is special

Dennis

@Geobits As long as we can all agree that this is objectively wrong.

Poke

19:26

@Dennis agreed

Kritixi Lithos

@Dennis Looking at that makes my brain throw up

DJMcMayhem

I can add an explanation to that answer if you'd like

Kritixi Lithos

That would be appreciated

DJMcMayhem

Maybe a vim translation to so you can manually run it and see it in action

Geobits

@Dennis I dunno, I kinda like it.

>_>

Kritixi Lithos

19:28

@Geobits What kind of a sick human are you? :P

Geobits

@KritixiLithos You assume I'm human? Thank you :)

Kritixi Lithos

@Geobits What are you then? A big downvote with hands?

Poke

@KritixiLithos This entire chat is made up of bots that have been primed with conversation bits over the past few years. It's understandable you were unaware.

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Geobits

Wait, you're not one of us?

Poke

uneasy silence

Dennis

19:33

There's a reason chat doesn't have CAPTCHAs.

mınxomaτ

_UNK

TuxCopter

Huh?

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

^

mınxomaτ

Gimme a sec.

betseg

while(i<2000000) {
    k+=j;
    i++;
    j++;
}

result is -1455759936

halp

Sherlock9

19:35

@Dennis Two questions: where is the run button on tio.run? and how does maximum do that?

mınxomaτ

8

TuxCopter

wat

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

waaaat

Kritixi Lithos

@betseg Integer overflow?

betseg

@KritixiLithos using unsigned long long int

TuxCopter

19:37

@betseg How are you printing it?

betseg

...

Dennis

@Sherlock9 It's the gear (yes, I'll change that), and ṁ is mold/reshape, not maximum.

betseg

@TuxCopter :(

Kritixi Lithos

You can have long long in C?

mınxomaτ

@TuxCopter chat.stackexchange.com/search?q=_UNK&room=240

betseg

19:37

@KritixiLithos yes

Sherlock9

@Dennis Ah. Should have used match case while searching through the atoms.

Kritixi Lithos

@betseg What does it do? How big does the number get?

Doorknob

@mınxomaτ I'm not sure if I'm not sure if I'm not sure what you're talking about.

TuxCopter

@mınxomaτ I know about this Marky reaction

Sherlock9

Also it's 2:37 am over here and my eyes are tired

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

19:38

Is there a terminal command to execute many commands simultaneously and only return when they are all done?

betseg

@KritixiLithos 2^64 iirc

TuxCopter

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC a & && b & && c &?

mınxomaτ

@Doorknob Come on. This wasn't that long ago :D

Kritixi Lithos

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC rm -rf / --nopreserveroot or something like that

TuxCopter

@KritixiLithos -.-

Kritixi Lithos

19:39

:P

Dennis

@TuxCopter Way too many ampersands. It also doesn't wait for them to finish.

betseg

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC a & b & c & && lul

probably wrong

TuxCopter

@Dennis Ah :/

Still many ampersands are fun

Dennis

@noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC tio.run/nexus/…

mınxomaτ

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Dennis

19:42

No malicious code, please.

Kritixi Lithos

@Dennis Would rm -rf / --nopreserveroot work in TIO?

Gabriel Benamy

ah ok sorry

betseg

@KritixiLithos i tried, no

TuxCopter

@mınxomaτ You forgot the SE logo on the angry director

mınxomaτ

This is just an updated meme. The old ones are here: imgur.com/a/5ThoA

Dennis

19:43

@KritixiLithos No, for several reasons. First and foremost, that's not how the flag is named.

Kritixi Lithos

The where do the flags go?

noɥʇʎPʎzɐɹC

@Dennis How's that work?

Dennis

& sends the preceding command to the background, wait waits for all subprocs to finish.

quartata

@Dennis Can you add Erlang?

You can use escript to run a file directly

TuxCopter

6

LMAO

betseg

19:47

:(

Kritixi Lithos

@TuxCopter Link?

TuxCopter

idk

mbomb007

Anyone who has a language on esolangs.org, I found a way to make page titles lowercase. esolangs.org/wiki/Huh%3F

Gabriel Benamy

@TuxCopter I'M TRYING NOT TO SCREAM AT WORK

quartata

If possible make it so that it starts with this at the top:

TuxCopter

19:48

I found it on the dump of mınxomaτ

quartata

%% -*- erlang -*-
%%! -smp enable -sname factorial -mnesia debug verbose

I don't know if you have any capabilities for putting what's in the code field at the beginning

Dennis

@quartata Sure.

@quartata Not at this point, no.

quartata

All right, that's not a huge deal.

Label it as Erlang (escript) so people know that's how you're running it though.

Since it needs that header

TuxCopter

quartata

What version of Python 3 do you have?

New Sandboxed Posts

19:50

0

A: Sandbox for Proposed Challenges

Google Home / Amazon Echo - Turing complete? code-challenge Your challenge is to try to make a turing machine based on Google Home and Amazon Echo, see this video. You must describe how to set up the machine, and how to give it input. You must also describe a program for integer addition. It ...

TuxCopter

@NewSandboxedPosts wat

betseg

@mbomb007 Mediawiki magic word: {{DISPLAYTITLE:huh?}}

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

hey, at least it's sandboxed

Flp.Tkc

^

TuxCopter

right, but I don't think it's possible to have multiple states or a tape with an Amazon Echo and a Google Home

Kritixi Lithos

19:51

I like Google

Dennis

@quartata tio.run/nexus/python3#@5@ZW5BfVKJQXFnMVVCUmVeiAWTplaUWFWfm52n@/…

TuxCopter

Or the tape is the agenda and the states are multiple agendas

Seems horrible though

quartata

@Dennis Good to know thanks

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@TuxCopter can't you just ask google "hey whats 2+2" though?

google is pretty much turing complete methinks

TuxCopter

Right

But they are asking for a TM

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

19:53

oh true

not just proving it's turing complete

mbomb007

@mınxomaτ Some XKCD-level memes, right there. i.imgur.com/Ruavp59.png

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

seems like they want a description of a setup for like 256 google homes and echos, just to make a TM

TuxCopter

@mbomb007 π = 4.0

mind = blown

Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@mbomb007 you made that? or who?

TuxCopter

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ minksomat

wubs

19:55

@TimmyD Thanks for the tip on the squaring sequence answer. I'd feel guilty using your code though since it's so different from mine. You should submit that as an answer.

TimmyD

@wubs Pshaw. It's literally just a slightly golfed version of your code.

mınxomaτ

@TuxCopter Correct.

mbomb007

@EᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏIʀᴋ No, minxomat did

betseg

i have two unsigned long long ints called n and p and my program gives a floating point exception when i do if (n % p == 0) halp

wubs

@TimmyD Welp. Prepare to get thank'd a ton then. :)

mbomb007

19:57

I found one that I made! i.imgur.com/T4KBRM2.png

I'm looking through these, by the way: imgur.com/a/5ThoA

TuxCopter

mınxomaτ

Please don't repost all the memes here.

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Eᴀsᴛᴇʀʟʏ Iʀᴋ

@mbomb007 oic

TimmyD

@wubs Sure, sure. I'm here for the golfing and the community. Rep is a bonus.

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